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Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

Are you saying this is only under windoze 10?
The times I've seen this sort of behaviour nvda is not actually lockedup just that the processor usage seems to climb and climb until most things don't work any more.
Often if you alt tab, or bring up the desk top and wait, some time later the voice may say that the operation has happened. Strangely though, the voice is OK and not glitchy as was the case on single core machines when a javascript wasrunning and made everything slow.

The weird thing I also noticed was that a reboot of nvda, took an age but did fix it most times.
I think you need to look at the previous log in %temp% and see what went on, chances are if you have the log set to debug etc, it will be a core frozen in stack, so it might be a good idea to try it with a next snapshot. Myself, I hve only encountered it rarely, and was more interested in getting back to what I was doing to look myself, but its very rare here on windows 7.
The most annoying issue I have with later windows is that in some software if you tab to the folder list, which is an extra tabtoxp as you arrive at a sub menu otherwise, if you paause and allow this interim bit of windows to speak, then try to tab, focus does not go to the folders list and you have to alt tab away and back to wake things up.
Goldwave and Word have done this to me a lot.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "George McCoy" <slr1bpz@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox


I have the same issue on two machines running windows 7 home premium 64 bit and firefox 46.1. It makes firefox virtually unusable most of the time. I have had this since January but can’t determine a pattern that would help developers address the issue.

George

From: Jacob Kruger
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 6:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.

Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.

Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but, thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?

And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.

Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1 right after NVDA starts speaking again?

Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?

TIA

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"


Re: Announcement: Free live tech support via Skype users group between June 13th and August 12th

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

I think many people who are in need of tech support probably do not yet use twitter either.
Just a thought. I certainly don't.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <@joslee>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 7:50 PM
Subject: [nvda] Announcement: Free live tech support via Skype users group between June 13th and August 12th


Ladies and gentlemen,



For years, this list and other forums have served as a great tech support
venue for many. I'm sure many of us wanted to match the person and their
voice at times, or wished you could have a tech support experience similar
to other screen reader companies.



That's why I'm delighted to announce that, starting from June 13th and
running for the next two months, I'll be holding free, live tech support on
NVDA and related topics via Skype users group (established about a month
ago). Not only you'll get a chance to talk to one or more NVDA developers
(one of them actually living in America), you'll also get a chance to
receive hands-on training, participate in live feature demos, join the
developer in his lab as he cooks up interesting features, and get a
backstage tour of internals of various NVDA features. And the best thing is,
it's all free.



Important notes:

* This will be done via NVDA users Skype group.

* The developer will be in his office during weekdays (two or three
times a week).

* Tech support office hours will vary (aiming at between 11 AM to 3
PM Pacific (2 to 6 PM Eastern and elsewhere)), likely between 12 to 3 PM
Pacific.

* Tech support services will include answering questions, live
demos, programming feature suggestions on the fly (if it is doable), and
remote diagnostics and assistance via NVDA Remote Support add-on (user
consent required).

* Tech support hours will be posted on Twitter (for the most part).

* If you don't have Skype, the developer is willing to meet you via
TeamTalk.



Thank you.

Cheers,

joseph


Re: Important (please read): Moderator's farewell letter: ask not what this mailing list can do for you, ask the other way around

Gary Bowers <gdbowers@...>
 

Hi Joseph,

Thank you for your continuing contributions to NVDA, and for your eloquent
farewell message.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 1:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Important (please read): Moderator's farewell letter: ask
not what this mailing list can do for you, ask the other way around

Dear members of the NVDA international users list, NVDA community, NVDA
users, developers, supporters and others:



For the past three years, from the moment Nimer Jaber, our head moderator
welcomed me into the ranks of list moderators until now, I always thought
about what we can do to make this place a welcoming lounge for many people
from all walks of life. Through these years, I wrote many add-ons, produced
tutorials, arbitrated in various cases, organized first NVDACon series,
learned a great deal from you all and made many mistakes. As I step down
from the moderator's podium and welcome another to this podium, I do not
regret my moderator days. I hope that Gene Asner, the one chosen to take my
place, will be an understanding moderator as he assists nimer in running
this community.



As I step down from this position, I'd like to request that you please
listen to a plea from a fellow member of this list:



You all are diplomats of NonVisual Desktop Access. As a representative of a
movement, your words, actions and posts will decide the reputation of NVDA
screen reader. Do not say to yourselves, "this is a mailing list for users
only". This mailing list is just one part of an archive of public
information available on NVDA. As such, please be careful in word choice,
how you respond and so on, as list archive is visible to everyone around the
world.



Understand those who disagrees with you. We live in a world where cultures
clash, ideas battle each other, and conflicts abound. What would be use of a
mailing list if we form cliques due to disagreements? This is more so on a
product support forum where we have people from diverse backgrounds,
different needs, different settings, varying levels of NVDA know-how and so
on. Please be understanding when someone disagrees with you, as it is better
to see people working together than groups being destroyed due to flame wars
and so forth.



Lastly, if there is one advice I'd like to pass on, it would be a quote from
a former president of the United States: ask not what your country can do
for you, ask what you can do for your country. I would change that quote to
something like this: as a member of the NVDA community, ask not what NVDA,
NV Access, other members and supporters can do for you; rather, ask what you
can do for this community, to promote NVDA, make NVDA mailing list a
welcoming place for all and to serve this community. For moderators, to ask
what we can do to serve members, including those who disagree with us.



As of this moment, I hereby declare that all moderation privileges I had
will pass onto Gene Asner. As a member of this list, I'll do my best to
follow our new moderator's wishes and obey the rules of this list. Stepping
away from moderator's podium does not mean I'll leave this community -
whatever new role I'm assigned to, I'll do my best to carry out my duties as
a member of this community.



Thank you. To Gene, good luck, and to Nimer, it was a wonderful experience
serving as a moderator under your leadership for the past three years.



Audio version of this letter (entitled "Farewell Address to NVDA mailing
list") can be found at:

http://www.nvda-kr.org/files/nvdamsgs/Moderator%20Farewell%20Address%20(Jose
ph%20Lee).mp3





Sincerely,

Joseph S. Lee

Student (Communication Studies), Los Angeles City College

Former student (computer science), University of California, Riverside

Translator, code contributor and community add-ons reviewer, NVDA screen
reader project

Former moderator, NVDA International Users List

Immediate past chair and organizing advisor, NVDA Users and Developers
Conference International

Chair, NVDA Tenth Anniversary Planning Committee

Chair, NVDACon Korea

Head list representative, Win10 Forum for Screen Reader Users


Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with Firefox

Peter Beasley
 

Try the following. Before you enter on the link in question, turn NVDA oss then press enter. when the file begins to play, wait a few seconds then you can turn NVDA back on.
I have this problem when using the BBC iplayer which uses flash. It’s ok with internet explorer and chrome so I don’t know what is going wrong. I don’t have the problem with any other sites i have been on that use flash.  x

Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with Firefox
 

Hi,

In my case it is Flash Player that I am having problems with when using Firefox.  The message is “irresponsive plugin” then I have to restart the computer because Firefox refuses to close.  Anyone with a suggested solution is greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Blessings

Pascal 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 5:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

 

How do you know its NVDA?  There are conditions where programs may do things that cause speech to stop temporarily and the fault is the program, not NVDA.  It may or may not be useful to test with a different screen-reader but we can't assume the problem is an NVDA problem or a Firefox problem.  and since crashes are evidently not occurring, there may not be any information available in diagnostic utilities.  I don't know what sort of Firefox logs there may be.

But Windows has a reliabillity history utility that may tell you something.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Jacob Kruger

Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:23 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

 

Shaun, primary issue is NVDA locking up/going silent.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 31 May, 2016 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox


> Yes, sometimes firefox just takes ages to load and sometimes if you load
> things up in quick succession it will crash and die.
> Other times it will just run.
> In between all this instability, it is actually still a stable product.
> Now if it goes really bad, I am not sure what I will do, its got a good
> extention security and other things in its favor and I really don't want
> to scrap it.
>
>
>
> On 31/05/2016 11:55 p.m., Jacob Kruger wrote:
>> Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't
>> install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and
>> this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at
>> times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.
>>
>> Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre
>> interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.
>>
>> Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in
>> case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but,
>> thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?
>>
>> And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from
>> firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough
>> what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key
>> + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.
>>
>> Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1
>> right after NVDA starts speaking again?
>>
>> Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of
>> this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a
>> web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out
>> various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my
>> favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both
>> google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be
>> any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not
>> really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Jacob Kruger
>> Blind Biker
>> Skype: BlindZA
>> "Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"
>>
>
>
>
>



Re: audacity

 

hi.
yes.
most features of audacity is accessible for nvda users and read it in
audacity manual help.
hope thats help.
thanks and god bless you.

On 5/31/16, Jacob Kruger <jacob@...> wrote:
Yes.

I use audacity quite often - even if not in necessarily too advanced a way,

and NVDA works fine for me.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rayette Rucker" <rayette.rucker23@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 31 May, 2016 9:01 PM
Subject: [nvda] audacity


Does Audacity work with NVDA?







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Re: finding a message using gmail on the site

Øyvind Lode
 

Hi:

Use the search within gmail.
Press the / (slash) key to quickly goto search and use search
operators to perform simple or more advanced searches.
To be able to use shortcut commands like / (slash) etc you need to be
in focus mode (NVDA).
I don't remember what this mode is called in JAWS but I believe one
just disables the virtual cursor.

On 1 June 2016 at 04:05, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
Hi list. How does one find a certain message on the gmail site? When I go
there. I just delete all the ones on the server. I have gmail connected to
my outlook. Disregard the last message I sent.


Important (please read): Moderator's farewell letter: ask not what this mailing list can do for you, ask the other way around

 

Dear members of the NVDA international users list, NVDA community, NVDA users, developers, supporters and others:

 

For the past three years, from the moment Nimer Jaber, our head moderator welcomed me into the ranks of list moderators until now, I always thought about what we can do to make this place a welcoming lounge for many people from all walks of life. Through these years, I wrote many add-ons, produced tutorials, arbitrated in various cases, organized first NVDACon series, learned a great deal from you all and made many mistakes. As I step down from the moderator’s podium and welcome another to this podium, I do not regret my moderator days. I hope that Gene Asner, the one chosen to take my place, will be an understanding moderator as he assists nimer in running this community.

 

As I step down from this position, I’d like to request that you please listen to a plea from a fellow member of this list:

 

You all are diplomats of NonVisual Desktop Access. As a representative of a movement, your words, actions and posts will decide the reputation of NVDA screen reader. Do not say to yourselves, “this is a mailing list for users only”. This mailing list is just one part of an archive of public information available on NVDA. As such, please be careful in word choice, how you respond and so on, as list archive is visible to everyone around the world.

 

Understand those who disagrees with you. We live in a world where cultures clash, ideas battle each other, and conflicts abound. What would be use of a mailing list if we form cliques due to disagreements? This is more so on a product support forum where we have people from diverse backgrounds, different needs, different settings, varying levels of NVDA know-how and so on. Please be understanding when someone disagrees with you, as it is better to see people working together than groups being destroyed due to flame wars and so forth.

 

Lastly, if there is one advice I’d like to pass on, it would be a quote from a former president of the United States: ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. I would change that quote to something like this: as a member of the NVDA community, ask not what NVDA, NV Access, other members and supporters can do for you; rather, ask what you can do for this community, to promote NVDA, make NVDA mailing list a welcoming place for all and to serve this community. For moderators, to ask what we can do to serve members, including those who disagree with us.

 

As of this moment, I hereby declare that all moderation privileges I had will pass onto Gene Asner. As a member of this list, I’ll do my best to follow our new moderator’s wishes and obey the rules of this list. Stepping away from moderator’s podium does not mean I’ll leave this community – whatever new role I’m assigned to, I’ll do my best to carry out my duties as a member of this community.

 

Thank you. To Gene, good luck, and to Nimer, it was a wonderful experience serving as a moderator under your leadership for the past three years.

 

Audio version of this letter (entitled “Farewell Address to NVDA mailing list”) can be found at:

http://www.nvda-kr.org/files/nvdamsgs/Moderator%20Farewell%20Address%20(Joseph%20Lee).mp3

 

 

Sincerely,

Joseph S. Lee

Student (Communication Studies), Los Angeles City College

Former student (computer science), University of California, Riverside

Translator, code contributor and community add-ons reviewer, NVDA screen reader project

Former moderator, NVDA International Users List

Immediate past chair and organizing advisor, NVDA Users and Developers Conference International

Chair, NVDA Tenth Anniversary Planning Committee

Chair, NVDACon Korea

Head list representative, Win10 Forum for Screen Reader Users

 

 


Re: [NVDA] NVDA 2016.2

Lino Morales
 

Like I tell everybody on here you'll find out when it comes out along with the rest of us. Stay tuned.

On 6/1/2016 1:54 AM, Chris Shook wrote:
Hi,
Wasn't NVDA 2016.2 going to be released this week? Were any major bugs reported in the release candidate? I haven't heard of any and was curious?
Chris


[NVDA] NVDA 2016.2

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Hi,
Wasn't NVDA 2016.2 going to be released this week? Were any major bugs reported in the release candidate? I haven't heard of any and was curious?
Chris


Re: nvda and real mornitor showing

Arlene
 

Oh it is? I seen it there. I never knew what it was for.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: May-31-16 10:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and real mornitor showing

Speech viewer is your friend. I think this might help you out. Turn it
on in NVDA's preferences.


On 6/1/2016 12:01 AM, aikeo koomanivong wrote:
Dear all again I’m keo from LAO
Sometime I’m using computer and NVDA has spoken but when sighted
person looking my monitor it’s not match it very hard to tell sighted
person when sometime might to teaching some software for sighted
person
When the sighted person teaching a computer they using mouse for
pointing somewhere
So if we are the blind people can we do like this with nvda such as I
want to tell them go to save as menu and I want to point the mouse on
this could we do like this?
I can teaching them on another ways if I teach them in the class
So I’m working at the national university of LAO and I’ll make
handbook to create braille book maker by using DBT wind for my team.
All of them are sighted person and I’ll make handbook and
Take a screen by using print screen keyboard
Thank you in advance


Re: nvda and real mornitor showing

Lino Morales
 

Speech viewer is your friend. I think this might help you out. Turn it on in NVDA's preferences.

On 6/1/2016 12:01 AM, aikeo koomanivong wrote:
Dear all again I’m keo from LAO
Sometime I’m using computer and NVDA has spoken but when sighted
person looking my monitor it’s not match it very hard to tell sighted
person when sometime might to teaching some software for sighted
person
When the sighted person teaching a computer they using mouse for
pointing somewhere
So if we are the blind people can we do like this with nvda such as I
want to tell them go to save as menu and I want to point the mouse on
this could we do like this?
I can teaching them on another ways if I teach them in the class
So I’m working at the national university of LAO and I’ll make
handbook to create braille book maker by using DBT wind for my team.
All of them are sighted person and I’ll make handbook and
Take a screen by using print screen keyboard
Thank you in advance


nvda and real mornitor showing

aikeo koomanivong
 

Dear all again I’m keo from LAO
Sometime I’m using computer and NVDA has spoken but when sighted
person looking my monitor it’s not match it very hard to tell sighted
person when sometime might to teaching some software for sighted
person
When the sighted person teaching a computer they using mouse for
pointing somewhere
So if we are the blind people can we do like this with nvda such as I
want to tell them go to save as menu and I want to point the mouse on
this could we do like this?
I can teaching them on another ways if I teach them in the class
So I’m working at the national university of LAO and I’ll make
handbook to create braille book maker by using DBT wind for my team.
All of them are sighted person and I’ll make handbook and
Take a screen by using print screen keyboard
Thank you in advance


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Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Arlene
 

Hi, is this happening on windows ten? I find too when I use firefox. If
someone's putting files into my drop box it slightly slows down. I'm using
windows 7.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: May-31-16 2:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

I have noticed this do it when working on something and opening a program.
Wait and it will go.
Its most like a background program thats using the engine or something
bt sync tends to use a lot of resources eventhough its only the old v1.
If dropbox chooses that time to synk then nvda will lock and other
programs to but wait a minute or so and up it come.
The system is not going to be bad for me if I only have firefox open,
but some websites have bad scripts and or misbehaved code.
Firefox will try its darndest to load the pithy thing but it may not and
either crash or warn the user.
Not much we can do about this shite.
Its just the net.



On 1/06/2016 7:23 a.m., Jacob Kruger wrote:
Shaun, primary issue is NVDA locking up/going silent.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 31 May, 2016 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with
firefox


Yes, sometimes firefox just takes ages to load and sometimes if you
load things up in quick succession it will crash and die.
Other times it will just run.
In between all this instability, it is actually still a stable product.
Now if it goes really bad, I am not sure what I will do, its got a
good extention security and other things in its favor and I really
don't want to scrap it.



On 31/05/2016 11:55 p.m., Jacob Kruger wrote:
Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you
couldn't install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded
firefox to 46, and this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both
seemed to be locking up at times, while working in firefox, with
various sites' content.

Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA
wre interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.

Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in
case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but,
thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?

And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away
from firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny
enough what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using
windows key + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.

Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA +
F1 right after NVDA starts speaking again?

Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid
of this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job
is as a web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time
testing/trying out various bits of my own code output in a browser,
and firefox is my favourite for that part of it thus far, although I
do, at times use both google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on
it's own way too often to be any form of feasible alternative, but,
that's probably due to it not really being meant to be used under
windows 10 as such?

TIA

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"





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finding a message using gmail on the site

Arlene
 

Hi list. How does one find a certain message on the gmail site?  When I go there. I just delete all the ones on the server.  I have gmail connected to my outlook.  Disregard the last message I sent.


using gmail's site

Arlene
 

Hi list! How do you get to previous message while on the site? I haven’t gone to the site to get rid of mail there for awhile.  I forgot how to do it! thanks.


Re: Vocaliser for NVDA

Life My Way
 

will there be an upgrade cost to the new vocalizer?

On 5/31/2016 6:59 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello!

We hope it will be released this month.

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Isaac
Data: terça-feira, 31 de maio de 2016 17:32
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Vocaliser for NVDA


speaking of vocalizer when is the new version coming out?

----- Original Message -----
From: Rui Fontes
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Vocaliser for NVDA


Hello!



Have you created and activated your account on ourweb page?

Have you activated the license on NVDA/Vocalizer Expressive menu?



Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.



De: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Em nome de
babcockldpvi@...
Enviada: terça-feira, 31 de maio de 2016 16:20
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: [nvda] Vocaliser for NVDA



Hello:

I have bought a license for the Vocaliser voices but when I try and install
the driver (version 3.0.12) I get an error message when I try to install it
via the Preferences and synthesizer settings. It simply says that it could
not load the Vocaliser synthesizer.

My laptop is running Windows 10 and the version of NVDA that I am running is
2016.1

I have tried uninstalling and re installing the driver and uninstalling and
re installing NVDA itself but with no luck.

Can anyone suggest any solutions.

Teflonica (the company who make the voices) have not been particularly
helpful...

Thanks











Re: Vocaliser for NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

We hope it will be released this month.

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Isaac
Data: tera-feira, 31 de maio de 2016 17:32
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Vocaliser for NVDA


speaking of vocalizer when is the new version coming out?

----- Original Message -----
From: Rui Fontes
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Vocaliser for NVDA


Hello!



Have you created and activated your account on ourweb page?

Have you activated the license on NVDA/Vocalizer Expressive menu?



Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.



De: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Em nome de
babcockldpvi@...
Enviada: tera-feira, 31 de maio de 2016 16:20
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: [nvda] Vocaliser for NVDA



Hello:

I have bought a license for the Vocaliser voices but when I try and install
the driver (version 3.0.12) I get an error message when I try to install it
via the Preferences and synthesizer settings. It simply says that it could
not load the Vocaliser synthesizer.

My laptop is running Windows 10 and the version of NVDA that I am running is
2016.1

I have tried uninstalling and re installing the driver and uninstalling and
re installing NVDA itself but with no luck.

Can anyone suggest any solutions.

Teflonica (the company who make the voices) have not been particularly
helpful...

Thanks


Text out delay

Igor Kaplan
 

Hi all,

 

  I am using the NVDA to ssh to the remote linux machine.

The remote server connection is little slow, so NVDA speaks faster then I would like to.

  For example, while using arrow keys to move up and down, the line is spoken before actually cursor moves to next or prior line.

  My question, is there any way to make nvda to delay before speaking, like the text out delay in Jaws or window-eyes? Is there any add-on? I don’t think, there is the setting in NVDA itself, I believe, I checked everything.

 

  I am sure, it would be possible to write the script, which will delay the speech while moving cursor keys, before trying to do so I would like to check, if something like this already exists.

 

  Thanks so much for any information.

 

  -Igor.

 


Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Jacob Kruger
 

Problem with IE is that on this windows 10 machine, it has been crashing on/off, all by itself for a little while - most likely some or other service pack, or OS update made it 'unhappy', and that's why have hardly ever been trying to use it for a while now.
 
Don't really remember it having much of the same speech-freezing effect on NVDA, but, last time really used it consistently was a couple of months ago.
 
I do also use google chrome at times, but, just prefer firefox over it most of the time, and part of that issue is if I keep on retyping in address bar, it's inconsistent when it comes to trying to focus on page contents.
 
Also, as a web developer, parts of firefox work better for me when playing around with web content source code, javascript, etc., but, that's primary since haven't really been much of a chrome user at all up until now.
 
Also, the reason I specifically upgraded to firefox 46 was since this was starting to re-occur in firefox 43 recently.
 
Like said, don't think it's an issue with NVDA itself, but, some or other combination of things that's started happening recently.
 
And, since I often enough install, uninstall, reinstall various other bits of software, I generally also reload my operating systems from scratch roundabout every 6 months or so, just because, so might consider that in the not too distant future as well, in case, but, would still like to know what's causing something like this, just in case.
 
Am also trying a couple of other clean-up fixes, but, will only mention them later on if they seem to make a noticeable difference.
 
Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: 31 May, 2016 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

It may be a virtual buffer overload.  If it is, the question is whether that is the fault of NVDA or Firefox?
 
I suspect this kind of obscure problem is one where you won't get meaningful help other than the sort of work arounds I'm suggesting below. 
 
I would suggest testing with Internet Explorer to see if the problem persists.  If the problem doesn't persist, you may have, at least temporarily, to use Internet Explorer or Chrome.  If the problem doesn't persist when using Internet Explorer, that implies that the problem is either Firefox or the combination of NVDA and Firefox.  It would take more experimentation to try to determine that. 
 
It appears that you are saying that this problem didn't occur when you used Firefox 43.  That makes me suspicious that the problem is with Firefox.  But that's just a suspicion.
 
I just realized that you may also be able to work around the problem by using the ESR Extended Release version of Firefox.  That version remains the same for about a year as I recall but receives security patches when the standard version does.  If it is using an older version such as 43 and if the next update is awhile off, that may solve your problem while allowing you to receive security updates for a time.  And when the ESR receives a full upgrade, by that time, Firefox might have solved the probem.
 
Gene
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Gene, again, primary issue is NVDA going silent, and refusing to respond, even if I alt+tab to another window, for a while at least.
 
In other words, almost seems like it's experiencing a form of overload populating it's virtual buffer/document review version, or something.
 
I was not blaming NVDA as such, but, just trying to figure out what could be causing this combination of a form of silence, and was wondering why it seemed almost like firing up windows narrator un-froze everything, but anyway.
 
Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: 31 May, 2016 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

At this point, you haven't done anything to determine whether the problem is with NVDA or Firefox.  Of course, you can try running Firefox with various add ons disabled in NVDA but I would think the best first test would be to use a different screen-reader, such as a JAWS demo with Firefox.  The newer versions of Firefox may have problems and experimenting with disabling add ons may just waist time if they aren't the problem. 
 
I've seen complaints about the new versions of Firefox here for a number of weeks.  I haven't seen a lot, but I've seen them. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
> Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.
>
> Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.
>
> Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but, thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?
>
> And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.
>
> Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1 right after NVDA starts speaking again?
>
> Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?
>
> TIA
>
> Jacob Kruger
> Blind Biker
> Skype: BlindZA
> "Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"
>



Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Gene
 

I wouldn't make any of those assumptions.  First, the context.  The original message either stated or implied that this problem did not occur with version 43.  Second, you don't know what programs are on the other machine nor what the technical specifications of the machine are.  It isn't just the Internet.  Many people either don't have this problems or not much.  There are various work arounds that may solve this problem.  Your message implies that nothing can be done and that is not demonstrated in part because you have made a lot of questionable generalizations from one machine. 
 
I would think another speculation about what might be causing the problem is the way Firefox 46 renders JAVA scripts.  I'm not sayint this is the case, I'm speculating.  If it is not rendering JAVA scripts as previously, that may cause a conflict with NVDA and cause slow performance or perhaps the screen-reader to stp functioning. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

I have noticed this do it when working on something and opening a program.
Wait and it will go.
Its most like a background program thats using the engine or something
bt sync tends to use a lot of resources eventhough its only the old v1.
If dropbox chooses that time to synk then nvda will lock and other
programs to but wait a minute or so and up it come.
The system is not going to be bad for me if I only have firefox open,
but some websites have bad scripts and or misbehaved code.
Firefox will try its darndest to load the pithy thing but it may not and
either crash or warn the user.
Not much we can do about this shite.
Its just the net.



On 1/06/2016 7:23 a.m., Jacob Kruger wrote:
> Shaun, primary issue is NVDA locking up/going silent.
>
> Stay well
>
> Jacob Kruger
> Blind Biker
> Skype: BlindZA
> "Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: 31 May, 2016 9:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox
>
>
>> Yes, sometimes firefox just takes ages to load and sometimes if you
>> load things up in quick succession it will crash and die.
>> Other times it will just run.
>> In between all this instability, it is actually still a stable product.
>> Now if it goes really bad, I am not sure what I will do, its got a
>> good extention security and other things in its favor and I really
>> don't want to scrap it.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 31/05/2016 11:55 p.m., Jacob Kruger wrote:
>>> Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you
>>> couldn't install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded
>>> firefox to 46, and this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both
>>> seemed to be locking up at times, while working in firefox, with
>>> various sites' content.
>>>
>>> Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA
>>> wre interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.
>>>
>>> Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in
>>> case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but,
>>> thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?
>>>
>>> And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away
>>> from firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny
>>> enough what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using
>>> windows key + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.
>>>
>>> Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA +
>>> F1 right after NVDA starts speaking again?
>>>
>>> Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid
>>> of this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job
>>> is as a web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time
>>> testing/trying out various bits of my own code output in a browser,
>>> and firefox is my favourite for that part of it thus far, although I
>>> do, at times use both google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on
>>> it's own way too often to be any form of feasible alternative, but,
>>> that's probably due to it not really being meant to be used under
>>> windows 10 as such?
>>>
>>> TIA
>>>
>>> Jacob Kruger
>>> Blind Biker
>>> Skype: BlindZA
>>> "Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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