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windows program for creating a recovery drive is not fully accessible

Dan Beaver
 

I decided I needed to create a fresh recovery drive.  I discovered that NVDA speaks the buttons but nothing else.  Has anyone else seen this?  Is this an NVDA issue or a windows system issue?


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Re: NVDA, BrightSpace, Medical Transcription platforms

luke scholey
 

It is 99% accessible yes. Better on a laptop than a phone. You can get NVDA to read out colours in word or you can get the marker to mark your work differently for example enclosing comments in * so you can find them easy.
Luke

On 7 May 2020, at 20:44, Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:



Hello all,

 

I’m not really sure where to post this message, so if it would be more appropriate for the Chat list please let me know

 

I am considering taking a medical transcription refresher course from a local career college. At least 2 blind/visually impaired students have gone through the program successfully and found gainful employment. The 1 totally blind student used JAWS. For financial and philosophical reasons, I really do not want to use JAWS. However, I’d like to know whether between NVDA and Narrator, I could accomplish the same tasks. Legally, a program or employer cannot dictate which screen reader I use, just as they cannot dictate which brand of glasses a person chooses to wear. However, I anticipate  lot of pushback so I’d like to get as much information/ammunition as possible.

 

The education software the transcription course uses is called Brightspace. I did some preliminary research. The website talks about the software being accessible to screen readers and talks about their ongoing commitment to accessibility. Has anyone used this software with NVDA? If so, what were your experiences?

 

One area of difficulty the blind student found was differentiating different colors in Word documents. Apparently, JAWS cannot do this. assignments and reports are done in Word and corrections added in a different color. Can NVDA distinguish print in different colors in Word documents? If not, is there a workaround? The student using JAWS said that she was able to come up with one.

 

All course texts and reference materials are provided in PDFs. How does NVDA do with large PDFs? I believe they contain links etc. for navigation.

 

Are there any controls JAWS recognizes that NVDA does not? Most research is done on the Internet. Are there types of controls and websites that JAWS handles but NVDA does not?

 

The transcription platforms mentioned by the student I spoke with provide specific training for JAWS users. I assume that, although the keyboard commands would be different,  this information would be transferable to NVDA. Accessible software should be usable by all screen readers, not just JAWS.

 

I am not familiar with Narrator but am prepared to learn it if I could do the work with it alongside NVDA. Does anyone have thoughts as to how this might work?

 

I understand that one can obtain a free license for JAWS, at least for now. However, the cost of maintaining this software is prohibitive. I have to pay my own costs. I will do this if absolutely necessary but really prefer not to. I would be willing to pay somebody to assist me with NVDA and/or Narrator, as long as the outcome would be worthwhile.

 

Thank you for answering all my questions, I really appreciate your time.

 

Sincerely,

 

Janet Brandly  

 

I have not used Narrator, but if using it alongside   
NVDA, BrightSpace, Medical Transcription platforms

Janet Brandly
 

Hello all,

 

I’m not really sure where to post this message, so if it would be more appropriate for the Chat list please let me know

 

I am considering taking a medical transcription refresher course from a local career college. At least 2 blind/visually impaired students have gone through the program successfully and found gainful employment. The 1 totally blind student used JAWS. For financial and philosophical reasons, I really do not want to use JAWS. However, I’d like to know whether between NVDA and Narrator, I could accomplish the same tasks. Legally, a program or employer cannot dictate which screen reader I use, just as they cannot dictate which brand of glasses a person chooses to wear. However, I anticipate  lot of pushback so I’d like to get as much information/ammunition as possible.

 

The education software the transcription course uses is called Brightspace. I did some preliminary research. The website talks about the software being accessible to screen readers and talks about their ongoing commitment to accessibility. Has anyone used this software with NVDA? If so, what were your experiences?

 

One area of difficulty the blind student found was differentiating different colors in Word documents. Apparently, JAWS cannot do this. assignments and reports are done in Word and corrections added in a different color. Can NVDA distinguish print in different colors in Word documents? If not, is there a workaround? The student using JAWS said that she was able to come up with one.

 

All course texts and reference materials are provided in PDFs. How does NVDA do with large PDFs? I believe they contain links etc. for navigation.

 

Are there any controls JAWS recognizes that NVDA does not? Most research is done on the Internet. Are there types of controls and websites that JAWS handles but NVDA does not?

 

The transcription platforms mentioned by the student I spoke with provide specific training for JAWS users. I assume that, although the keyboard commands would be different,  this information would be transferable to NVDA. Accessible software should be usable by all screen readers, not just JAWS.

 

I am not familiar with Narrator but am prepared to learn it if I could do the work with it alongside NVDA. Does anyone have thoughts as to how this might work?

 

I understand that one can obtain a free license for JAWS, at least for now. However, the cost of maintaining this software is prohibitive. I have to pay my own costs. I will do this if absolutely necessary but really prefer not to. I would be willing to pay somebody to assist me with NVDA and/or Narrator, as long as the outcome would be worthwhile.

 

Thank you for answering all my questions, I really appreciate your time.

 

Sincerely,

 

Janet Brandly  

 

I have not used Narrator, but if using it alongside   
Re: new suggestion

Luke Davis
 

On Thu, 7 May 2020, Andre Fisher wrote:

I'd argue that this is a feature request and not a fix, as NVDA is behaving as it should, for consistency. However, I believe that this request stems from
some links being after bulleted and numbered lists.
Isn't that pretty much what I said? :)
Or, at least, I asked the OP if that was the reason.

Luke
Re: new suggestion

Andre Fisher
 
Edited

Hi.

Is it something like this? When browsing the web, and possibly in Word, the user would want NVDA to focus on the text that would appear after a bullet or number in a list, rather than on the bullet or number itself. For example, on the words "Home" and "Edit" in the list below:

1. Home
2. Edit

I'd argue that this is a feature request and not a fix, as NVDA is behaving as it should, for consistency. However, I believe that this request stems from some links being after bulleted and numbered lists.

Personally, I don't mind the current behaviour. As stated before, it's consistent, and if I see a link in a bulleted or numbered list that I'd wanna click, I automatically just press the K key followed by Enter to activate it. This also works if the link is in the middle of the line.
Re: NVDA 2020.1 released

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Quentin,


I just got this update and it's working great.



Rosemarie




On 5/7/2020 3:47 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

NVDA 2020.1, the newest version of the free screen reader is now available! Highlights include support for new braille displays from HumanWare & APH plus bug fixes such as the ability to read math in Word using MathPlayer / MathType.

This is a recommended update for all users.

Download from https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2020-1-released/ #NVDAsr

Kind regards

Quentin.
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saving attachments in Thunderbird

Grant Metcalf
 

I am looking for information about how to know or recognize if a Thunderbird email has an attachment and how to save it. I have not found anything on the links that were recommended.
Much to learn~!
Thank you.
Grant Metcalf, a.k.a. Grandpa DOS
Email: the.gems@...
Home: (650) 589-6890
 
Re: new suggestion

Luke Davis
 

Is the main reason you want this, because of links that appear in lists, and you want to jump right to the start of the link when you enter the list item?

Luke

On Thu, 7 May 2020, bhanu computer wrote:

hi all i dont know this iss write place to give suggestions or not. but developers in next release please include this small fix.
when we are in bulleted lists please add like the curser should move to the main items it means it should move the curser to the list item. you know what i
mean, it should not focus  bullet is should focus to after the bullet.. it means say we have
• ListItem then the focus should not bee on • is should move focus to the ListItem. hope you understude _._,_._,_
Re: PDF Alternative Apart from Edge?

Luke Davis
 

On Thu, 7 May 2020, Daniel Damacena wrote:

It seems that big pdf files can not be read by NVDA on brave. I deal with really big files everyday, so it does not help me...
Can you give an example of "big"? What size of file does this? Is there a link to a sample you can provide?

Luke
new suggestion

bhanu computer
 

hi all i dont know this iss write place to give suggestions or not. but developers in next release please include this small fix.
when we are in bulleted lists please add like the curser should move to the main items it means it should move the curser to the list item. you know what i mean, it should not focus  bullet is should focus to after the bullet.. it means say we have
• ListItem then the focus should not bee on • is should move focus to the ListItem. hope you understude
Re: google and insecure apps

Brian Vogel
 

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 06:09 AM, Gene wrote:
Since GMail considers almost every program to be less secure
This is absolutely incorrect.  I haven't had to have "less secure apps" turned on for a couple of years now, since any modern programs that attempt to access Google long ago were updated to employ OAUTH2.

If you are using an ancient e-mail client like Outlook Express or Windows Live Mail (of a certain age, anyway) you'll have to enable the less secure apps option, and even then only sometimes.  You have the option of using app-specific passwords (but that's only if you have 2-step verification on - and I never do as I consider it gross overkill on my Google account).

Even utilities to do things like mass deletion of Google Calendar events or to sync Google Contacts and Calendar to Outlook are OAUTH2 compliant.
 
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Re: PDF Alternative Apart from Edge?

Daniel Damacena
 

It seems that big pdf files can not be read by NVDA on brave. I deal with really big files everyday, so it does not help me...
Anyway, thank you!

Em qua., 6 de mai. de 2020 às 18:07, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> escreveu:

I use brave. Tables are handled nicely, headings are as well. By the way brave is a nice web browser too.

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On 6 May 2020, at 14:01, Clement Chou wrote:

Navigation keys don't seem to work in edge even in places where there
are clearly outlined headings and tables. The NVDA+ctrl+F find feature
doesn't seem to work, either.

On 5/6/20, Bob Jutzi <jutzi@...> wrote:

I still use Adobe Acrobat.

On 5/6/2020 2:36 PM, Daniel Damacena wrote:

I like to use bookworrm. The only problem I notice is: it tweaks the
lines to have the same cize, so it adds artificial line breaks.
It makes us not able to read by paragraphs and you need to remove line
breaks when you're copying quotes to make a paper.
If you just want to read continuously, it's really nice!

Em ter., 5 de mai. de 2020 às 19:04, Clement Chou
<chou.clement@... <mailto:chou.clement@...>> escreveu:

So is Edge the best solution for reading pdfs right now? That's
unfortunate if it is...

On 5/5/20, Sascha Cowley via groups.io <http://groups.io>
<sascha.camille=yahoo.com@groups.io <mailto:yahoo.com@groups.io>>
wrote:
> In my experience, Acrobat is even clunkier than it used to be. I
still
> keep it around as it's slightly better with some tagged PDFs, and I
> often need to fill PDF forms, which Edge doesn't support.
>
> On 6/05/2020 07:39, Clement Chou wrote:
>> Thanks. I'll give that a try... last time I tried adobe reader
it was
>> a bit clunky at best... hopefully things have improved a
little. Just
>> wanted to see what others were using.
>>
>> On 5/5/20, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...
<mailto:brainardmolly@...>> wrote:
>>> Hi.
>>> You might want to try adobe acrobat. There is a free version.
You can
>>> have
>>> pdfs open in adobe and read them that way if you like.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of
Clement
>>> Chou
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 4:43 PM
>>> To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
>>> Subject: [nvda] PDF Alternative Apart from Edge?
>>>
>>> Been using Edge to read PDF's for awhile now, but am trying to
find one
>>> that's more dedicated and that works better than Edge. Any
>>> recommendations?
>>> Adobe products still the best solution? Or is there a more
accesible
>>> alternative?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>





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Re: NVDA 2020.1 released

Robert Mendoza
 

Noted, I will try to download tomorrow. Its kinda sluggish here when downloading in my area. By the way, thanks for the info.

On 5/7/2020 6:47 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

NVDA 2020.1, the newest version of the free screen reader is now available! Highlights include support for new braille displays from HumanWare & APH plus bug fixes such as the ability to read math in Word using MathPlayer / MathType.

This is a recommended update for all users.

Download from https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2020-1-released/ #NVDAsr

Kind regards

Quentin.
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Training and Support Manager
Re: NVDA and Pontes Media Downloader

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Fresh Start,

Actually the file name is 3.0, but if you look at the properties, it is actually 3.1.


On 5/7/2020 2:46 AM, Fresh Start wrote:

I used 3.0 yesterday and it worked.  Each time I tried getting 3.1, only 3.0 came down.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2020 12:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Pontes Media Downloader

 

I did that and I got the message that it was version 2020.3.24.  It still doesn't work.

On 4/30/2020 11:09 PM, George McCoy wrote:

Try updating the download engine.  Pontes Media Downloader is just a gui interface to the command line interface for youtube-dl.

Open Pontes media downloader and press ctrl plus u to update the download engine.

 

George

On 4/30/2020 4:42 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Dan/Fresh Start,

Pontes must be updated before it works properly again.  Every now and then, Youtube grows wise to Pontes and similar programs.  They change something in the download logarithm that makes Pontes not work so well.  Sometimes this issue is caused by a JAVA update.  If JAVA causes the issue, all you need do is uninstall and reinstall Pontes--being sure to delete all associated folders.  But I already tried that and it still is having issues.  You will have to wait until Pontes developers update the program.

...And you are sending out a 'pirated song' with every daily devotion--HMMMMMM! Interesting!

On 4/30/2020 10:16 AM, Fresh Start wrote:

Greetings all,

I am not sure who recommended Pontes Media downloader.  But hit is been awesome.  however, I have been having a little issue lately.  I am using version 3.0.

1.        How do I get Pontes to empty the table of past url’s?

2.       2.  Sometimes when pasting the url from youtube into the url field for downloading, then tabbing to the download button and pressing enter on it, the file doesn’t always download.

3.       I go back to check the url field and find it is empty.  But one more shift tab back there is a list of past download url’s.

4.       I tried copying and pasting the shortcut listing with no luck. NVDA will read me the first column but not what that keystroke does in the second column.

5.       How can I get the complete table to copy to the clipboard to paste into Word and save.

6.        

7.       I have had great success with Pontes.  But lately, It takes a few times getting the file.  I am went through the program options and think all is set right.  I genuine thank anyone for some directions.  I send a song out with each of my daily devotions and rely heavily on the awesome program…  Blessings in any of

 

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Re: NVDA 2020.1 released

Robert Kingett
 

Quentin, the main NV Access RSS feed has been imported to the group, as well as the community add ons RSS feed. So, posting through the blog will eventually make it to the list. I believe Groups checks for integration updates every hour? But anyway, this means less work for you. You just post the blog post or any NV Access update and it gets beamed to this list.
Re: News – NV Access - NVDA 2020.1 Released #nvaccessnewsfeed

Kerryn Gunness
 


good news
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 7:13 AM
Subject: [nvda] News – NV Access - NVDA 2020.1 Released #NVAccessNewsFeed

NVDA 2020.1 Released

By NV Access

NV Access is pleased to announce that version 2020.1 of NVDA, the free screen reader for Microsoft Windows, is now available for download. We encourage all users to upgrade to this version.

Highlights of this release include support for several new braille displays from HumanWare and APH, plus many other important bug fixes such as the ability to again read math in Microsoft Word using MathPlayer / MathType.

Please note, after updating any software, it is a good idea to restart the computer. Restart by going to the Shutdown dialog, selecting “restart” and pressing ENTER. Updating software can change files which are in use. This can lead to instability and strange behaviour which is resolved by rebooting. This is the first thing to try if you do notice anything odd after updating.

While downloading NVDA, please consider becoming a monthly donor. Contributions like yours help NV Access continue our important work.

We also have a range of training material in the NV Access Shop to help you increase your skills with NVDA. Start with the popular Basic Training for NVDA in electronic text, audio and braille. Save with the NVDA Productivity Bundle. This includes Basic Training, all our Microsoft Office training, and telephone support.

Download NVDA 2020.1

To find out what’s new in this release, please visit What’s new in NVDA 2020.1

Close-up photograph of NVDA logo in notification area.

Close-up photograph of NVDA logo in notification area.
Re: News – NV Access - NVDA 2020.1 Released #nvaccessnewsfeed

Robert Kingett
 

It took a few tries for my update to come through. If anybody else is having issues, I'd actually just restart the computer. :) I should do that more often, honestly. But yeah, this is a good update! I'm excited to see what NV Access can do with Python 3.
News – NV Access - NVDA 2020.1 Released #nvaccessnewsfeed

nvda@nvda.groups.io Integration <nvda@...>
 

NVDA 2020.1 Released

By NV Access

NV Access is pleased to announce that version 2020.1 of NVDA, the free screen reader for Microsoft Windows, is now available for download. We encourage all users to upgrade to this version.

Highlights of this release include support for several new braille displays from HumanWare and APH, plus many other important bug fixes such as the ability to again read math in Microsoft Word using MathPlayer / MathType.

Please note, after updating any software, it is a good idea to restart the computer. Restart by going to the Shutdown dialog, selecting “restart” and pressing ENTER. Updating software can change files which are in use. This can lead to instability and strange behaviour which is resolved by rebooting. This is the first thing to try if you do notice anything odd after updating.

While downloading NVDA, please consider becoming a monthly donor. Contributions like yours help NV Access continue our important work.

We also have a range of training material in the NV Access Shop to help you increase your skills with NVDA. Start with the popular Basic Training for NVDA in electronic text, audio and braille. Save with the NVDA Productivity Bundle. This includes Basic Training, all our Microsoft Office training, and telephone support.

Download NVDA 2020.1

To find out what’s new in this release, please visit What’s new in NVDA 2020.1

Close-up photograph of NVDA logo in notification area.

Close-up photograph of NVDA logo in notification area.
NVDA 2020.1 released

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

NVDA 2020.1, the newest version of the free screen reader is now available! Highlights include support for new braille displays from HumanWare & APH plus bug fixes such as the ability to read math in Word using MathPlayer / MathType.

This is a recommended update for all users.

Download from https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2020-1-released/ #NVDAsr

Kind regards

Quentin.
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Re: google and insecure apps

Gene
 

Since GMail considers almost every program to be less secure and since you aren't likely to be hacked using these widely used programs, why bother to learn another program that is more secure but where it doesn't matter? 
 
If you are hacked, you will know immediately.  you will receive a message from GMail to your back up e-mail address telling you that someone logged into your account with this or that device and I believe giving an approximate location.  If you use a good password, unless your machine is infectedd with malware or GMail itself is hacked, I consider the risk of being hacked to be small or negligible. 
 
If I used e-mail for some sort of important purposes, I would encrypt it if privacy were a concern.  for typical discussions such as list mail and conversations with friends, why bother?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 12:39 AM
Subject: [nvda] google and insecure apps

Hi.

To those on outlook and other programs as long as your program supports
o auth 2 it will be fine.

Even though thunderbird with normal passwords works fine with o auth I
get a faster experience with sending and recieving.

I did have less secure apps on, but just turned it off since now I am
able to use o auth in thunderbird I have no desire or need to leave that
active.

Becides google keeps complaining about it every so often so I don't have it.

If you currently use outlook as a home user and either don't use any
advanced features or are only using it for mail, I'd personally switch
to thunderbird and turn on o auth so that you can get mail without this
insecure stuff.

You can also buy office 2019 which should have this security standard.
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