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Re: Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Gene
 

I am very skeptical that uninstalling and reinstalling NVDA will help.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: David
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

OK, sorry I don't know much other than this to try. Long as you spelled
the narrator phrase correctly, which I am sure you have double-checked,
and your Windows do not start the service.


One last resort that comes to mind, have you ever considered
reinstalling NVDA? I would think thare might be a way to back up all
your NVDA settings, to something like a USB pen. Then completely remove
the screen reader from your system. Redownload a fresh copy, and install
NVDA all from scrach. Reboot, and perform your testing in the software
of your choice.


Something might have got broken in your installation of NVDA. And you
might have incidentially changed a setting somewhere. So if you have
never done a reinstallation, you hereby are encouraged.


Apart from that, I am out of ideas. Hope someone else will help you out.


David

On 12/6/2016 6:52 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
> david,
> i dont open two screen reader simultaneously.
> i only installed both and when openning one, closed another and it was
> not compatible for my system.
> and about narrator, i am completely sure that dont have it.
> i wrote it in the run and the run window became closed without any error!
>
> On 12/6/16, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
>> I think Microsoft stopped support for windows XP in 2014 if I'm not
>> mistaken.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/6/2016 7:01 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
>>> antony, do you know the last version of nvda which supports xp?
>>> whats the last version that i can use?
>>> i realy wish that its be possible supporting of xp forever.
>>>
>>> On 12/6/16, Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:
>>>> Well, you get to enjoy the benefits of both OSes. Think of it this way,
>>>> if
>>>> you install Windows XP mode in Windows 7, and when you go into Windows
>>>> XP
>>>> and install anything, it shows up in the Windows 7 start menu so it's
>>>> relatively easy to launch; although the catch is that I think XP mode is
>>>> not
>>>> available for the home editions of Windows 7, except for Windows 7
>>>> Ultimate.
>>>>   From my tests in the past, NVDA does work under XP mode.
>>>>
>>>> In response to a message earlier, yes, free/open source software stopped
>>>> supporting old versions of Windows later than paid ones, but eventually
>>>> old
>>>> versions of Windows will not be supported. Take Firefox, Mozilla stopped
>>>> supporting Windows 2000 I think a year or 2-3 years after Windows 2000
>>>> became unsupported by Microsoft.
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>





Re: Potential problem with the Remote addon

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


Shruggs, never mind. I'm tired of trying to explain this. It's not your fault. NO hard feelings. I just don't  know how simpiler to put this.
 
I am the controller. He is the controlee. He can hit F11 on his end. I however cannot as F11 toggles between me sending keys and not sending keys.
 
I get that with him being the controlee, he could hit F11 to his heart's content, and it wouldn't toggle between keystrokes being sent to him or not.
 
For him, if he hits F11, it would then simply perform the regular function of F11. If I hit it, it'll toggle. I get that. OK? Make that totally clear. I get it!
 
Here is where the problem is coming in though.
 
On his computer, the computer I am controlling, he's running a program which requires pressing of the F11 key to open a certain dialog within the program.
 
When focus is in that particular program, if he, not I, but he! hits F11, the dialog comes up no problem.
 
If I! hit F11 though, it toggles between sending keys and not sending keys.
 
So, if I am on his computer, and I'm sending keys to his system, I go to the start window, I navigate and open up that program, OK, you following me? I open up that program, on his? end, not on mine, the program launches and is in the foreground. I then press F11 to bring up that dialog. I instead hear not sending keys. The reason is because F11 on the controller's computer toggles  between the two machines. sending, and not sending, keystrokes.
 
So... he can hit F11, but if I'm carrying out a task helping him, I don't always want to have to say, hey Joe Blow, hit your F11 key, I can't hittit for you.
 
There needs to be a way to tell the Remote addon when on either! the remote controller's end or the controlee's end, either! it doesn't matter if you're sending keys or not. That's totally irrelavent. The point is, regardless, there needs to be an equal way that the controller also have full functionality of the keyboard. The controller needs a way to be able to send an F11 key to the controlee's machine. It  shouldn't always be up to the controlee to have to hit F11. Either person should have a way to be able to do it.
 
So, my logic of thinking was, OK, the Remote addon is obviously seeing when I hit F11 that I'm trying to switch between sending and not sending keystrokes. I don't want NVDA interpreting that and sending the F11 key through to the Remote addon, thereby toggling key sending on/off. I want to be sending key commands to the controlee's system. While doing so, I want to be able to press NVDA F2, pass a key through, this way, NVDA doesn't give two damns less about that F11 key. For all NVDA cares, I never pressed it to start with.
 
I need that NVDA+F2 to bypass the F11 key so that when I hit F11 while sending keys, the Remote addon doesn't detect the keystroke and toggle me back to my machine, but instead sends the F11 key to the controlee's system as a regular keyboard shortcut, thereby within the program in question activating sed dialog as a result of the F11 key being the command coded into this application to activate that screen.
 
What I was apparently trying to say in a not so good way, or so it seems, is that when I press the NVDA+F2 to pass the next keystroke through to the OS, bypassing NVDA and all addons accordingly, as soon as I do this and hear pass key through, if I then hit F11, the key isn't getting passed; it's still sending the F11 key through being interpreted by NVDA, thereby toggling me back to not sending key commands, same as if I'd just hit F11 without first passing the key through.
 
In practice, I'd think that if I pass a key through, then the next press of F11 should be sent to which ever machine I'm presently controlling, that is not what I'm observing though.
 
I really! really! really really really! really! can't make it any more childplay elementary comprehensible than this. I've spelled in black and white precisely down to a T what the problem is. I don't possess any skill of knowledge to make this easier put.
 
If this makes sense, then great, but if not, then I'm out of symantic ways to explain it.
 
Again, no hard feelings, but this really shouldn't be this hard to grasp.
 
Chris.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon

You said “hearing NVDA say pass key through, then hitting F11, I can't send an F11 key to his computer” then  “He can hit F11 and obviously it works”.  I took this to mean you pressed NVDA+f2 to try and bypass the sendkey operation of f11 and send it to the remote computer.  If, when the guy on the remote computer presses f11 it works OK, why would you need to run an NVDA bypass command on that computer?

 

When a remote connection is made, the keyboard of the controlled computer works as normal, so f11 is f11.  On the keyboard of the controlling computer however, the f11 key acts as a sendkey toggle, so even if you are ‘sending keys’, the f11 keypress is never transmitted to the remote computer.  I suggested a double/triple keypress event as a sendkey toggle as this is more unlikely to be required by an app you are interacting with on a remote computer.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: 6 December 2016 20:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon

 

But I want the bipass command and the F11 to be executed at the remote end.

 

I'm not sure how much more simple to put this.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 7:29 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon

 

Hi

There has to be a key or key combination which the controlling NVDA uses to switch the key send feature, in this case it happens to be f11.  Using the bypass command doesn’t work because if you are sending keys, it’s executing at the remote end.  Perhaps the remote add-on could be tweaked to use a double or triple  tap of F11 to switch the key sending mode on and off, with a single keypress being treated as any other key.

 

Cheers

Chris

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: 6 December 2016 00:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon

 

Yeah, I sent it to the list earlier, but, who knows... LOL! It's all good.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 6:32 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon

 

Yes, that makes sense.  I don't recall your original message but it makes sense now. 

 

Gene

------ Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 4:48 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon

 

Gene,

 

One of us is confused.

 

Yes it does make sense you'd issue the bypass command. This friend of mine has an app that he uses which uncommonly has F11 mapped as one of the keystrokes to perform a task within that application.  So, regardless if NVDA is in the equasion or not, even if a sighted person was using this same application, F11 would be the command one would need to hit to execute this function. The problem is, F11 is also assigned to the NVDA remote addon to toggle between sending or not sending keys.

 

If I am trying to help him with something in this program, and we get to the point where F11 is required, yeah, I can make him hit the key for me, but that's really a poor way of doing things. I should be able in one form a or another to have the same level of control as him, not 99.9999%. If I am sending keys, and am focused in that application on his system, then try hitting F11, it stops sending keys. Why? Because F11 is ultimately set to be interceptid by the Remote Addon, so therefore that  takes

 precedents over the application in question therefore causing a key conflict. This is why I need the Remote addon to ignore me hitting F11. This way the application sees it, not the remote addon. That's why I was trying to first do a pass key through.

 

If this doesn't make sense, then I'm not sure how more elementary to explain it. Maybe someone else can.

 

Chris.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 5:37 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon

 

It doesn't make sense that you would use the bypass key before issuing the f11 command.  This is clearly an NVDA add on command and you would want it to go to NVDA so the add on will intercept it and take an action. 

 

Whatever the problem is, the bypass key won't solve it, as you found.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 4:32 PM

Subject: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon

 

So, a friend and I were both playing with the NVDA Remote addon. I was controlling his computer.

 

The Addon worked flawlessly with one exception:  For whatever reason, you know how F11 is used for sending/not sending keys? I know earlier I talked about needing the keystroke to pass a key through, which was told to me to be NVDA+F2. Thank you for that information, by the way. The problem is, even after doing this, hearing NVDA say pass key through, then hitting F11, I can't send an F11 key to his computer, no matter what!

 

He! can hit F11 and obviously it works, but shouldn't the controller also be able to do this?

 

This one's got me a bit baffled. Further, in the Tools menu of NVDA under Remote, I tried sending a CTRL+Alt+Del, and that neither is working. It just acts like I did nothing at all.

 

Does anyone know how to get both these issues resolved short of contacting Christopher Toth, who usually never seems to respond back to me cvia e-mail nor via Twitter, not sure why not?

 

Chris.


Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

Hi,

In this case, Travis is correct, but for the purposes of general-purpose computers, XP has exited the stage.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

The embeded version of xp is still supported until 2019.  You can get more information here.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2014/05/27/simple-hack-gives-windows-xp-users-5-more-years-of-support/#5a5a7925208a

 

On 12/6/2016 11:02 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 07:30 am, nasrin khaksar wrote:

i read somewhere that xp is supported until 2019

 That is quite simply incorrect.  Microsoft ended all official support for Windows XP in 2014, and that was extended support.  Base support ended in 2008.  See this official announcement on technet.microsoft.com.
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Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 06:25 pm, Travis Siegel wrote:
No, it's not a direct support by microsoft (for the desktop version)

Full stop.

You try getting them to support something you've tweaked to make it something it wasn't when licensed from them.  Good luck with that.
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Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

The simple hack is to make your regular xp machine look like an embeded xp install.  It has nothing to do with xp as a whole.  Microsoft is still supporting the embeded version of xp until 2019.  That isn't a hack, that's the truth, and denying it won't change anything.

Xp embeded version is being supported until 2019. It's not the version of xp folks run on their computers, but it's close enough that you can piggyback on that support to keep your xp machine patched until then.

No, it's not a direct support by microsoft (for the desktop version) and microsoft has said they don't recommend folks do this, but they've also comitted to supporting the embeded market until 2019, and that means (contrary to popular belief) that microsoft does support xp still, albeit a specific version of xp, but nonetheless, they do still support xp.



On 12/6/2016 9:06 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Uh, anything that requires a so-called "simple hack" is not officially supported, period.

Microsoft has declared XP support over and it's incredibly foolish to doubt their commitment to leaving it behind.
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Re: nvda rule not working in thunderbird

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


yes as that is where your emails come into then are sorted from there to where you want them to go.


the audio tutorial basically just covered the settings under the filter i setup.


the audio tutorial is already on a drop box link and will stay there and when i write up the basic settings to set it up that way step by step i will then link the audio tutorial to the accessible email client mozilla thunder bird page.


that part will be added in the next day or so and will let people know when it goes up..


there is so many ways you can set the filter depending if you want stuff like subject line, etc etc.


I only setup the filter on the account i wanted to use it on, but i can set it to send to other email accounts which i did not do.


Best bet is listen to the audio tutorial to follow it so you know what to do.


You can always have a look around in the different sections there to get a idea of what you can do.


But doing it by email from the list is the easiest way.


Gene nz



On 7/12/2016 12:49 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Does it have to be done from the inbox? I was doing it the hard way.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 3:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda rule not working in thunderbird

 

Hi David

 

hopefully it should be easy enough to follow. Even though i had already setup the message filter, using the context menu will still take you back to the way where i went through the tools then filter way.. I just figured the rule is already setup so i went in to show what sections were done if you get what I mean.

 

Hopefully it helps and doing it off the email was the easiest way for the nvda list.

 

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 7/12/2016 11:56 AM, David Moore wrote:

Hi Gene NZ,

Thanks a lot for this. I am definitely interested in this. I will give this a listen.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda rule not working in thunderbird

 

Hi

 

 

I done a quick audio tutorial on how to create a basic filter in thunder

bird. The filter must be done on the inbox.

 

 

the other thing i done before setting up the filter was to create a

folder for the emails to go into. for example nvda emails

 

 

When the filter is set up and running all emails from the nvda list will

go into the nvda emails folder.

 

Because i had already made a filter for it to be done I couldive done it

through the context menu, then set it up.

 

 

That way will still take you back to the way shown in the audio tutorial

and the same steps as doing it through the tools then filter menu.

 

 

Also doing it through the menus which i show in the tutorial  it will

give you a idea of where to look either to edit or remove a filter or

even create a new one.

 

 

I will put the audio tutorial on my accessible email client mozilla

thunder bird page in the next day or so. Plus there will be a please

note that the filter must be done on the inbox etc

 

 

Others might be interested in-doing the same thing so i will post a drop

box link here for others to listen 2.

 

 

The link to the tutorial is

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64177841/creating%20a%20basic%20filter%20in%20mozilla%20thunder%20bird.MP3

 

The steps are the same whether you use the context menu and go in that

way or do it through the tools then filter menu.

 

 

Gene nz

 

 

 

On 7/12/2016 6:11 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

> Hi, everyone,

> I have all the other rules set up ok but the one for the NVDA list

> isn't working. Last night I was up almost until midnight trying to

> correct the mistake I made. I tried everything I could think of to

> make thunderbird put the NVDA messages in the correct folder. I don't

> know what to do anymore. I'm having to move everything to that folder.

> What could I be doing wrong?

> Thanks for your help in advance.

> Rosemarie

>

 

--

<b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics.

http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook by visiting

the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216

Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries

 

 

 

 



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<b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook by visiting
the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216
Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries

-- 
<b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook by visiting
the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216
Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries


Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

Uh, anything that requires a so-called "simple hack" is not officially supported, period.

Microsoft has declared XP support over and it's incredibly foolish to doubt their commitment to leaving it behind.
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Re: nvda rule not working in thunderbird

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, David,

Thanks very much for these steps. I guess it's just that thunderbird seems a bit more complicated when it comes to trying to filter messages. It's really easy in outlook. All you do is hit the applications key and arrow down to "always move messages from" and then the message you want to move. Then you hit enter and arrow down to the folder you want.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda rule not working in thunderbird

In the rule setup screen, you have one combo box, which determines whether you will be dealing with the Subject line, From field etc. In this Combo box, choose the entry that says:

To From Bcc and CC

That is, there is a choice that includes them all. So scroll down till you get to the choice including all of the fields.


The other combo box, is the one that defines if you are looking out for
cases that are completely equal to, or only in partial compares to your
search string. For instance, you could choose the one that says:

Contains.


In the next field, the editbox, you will enter the string to lookout
for. If you have chosen to look out for any strings that CONTAINS, you
here could simply just enter a phrase like:

NVDA.


Now tab over to the combo boxes for what activity to perform on any
messages that meet the requirements you have specified. Make sure to
choose the entry that says:

Move To.


Tab again, and you will be in the combo box for determining which folder
to move the message to. Here, use all your arrow keys, for making your
selection of a folder.


Tabbing further on, you will be given the chance to add more activities,
or more rules to the message. For now, make sure to delete any further
activity, you can always add such on to the rule, at a later state.


In the dialog, also make sure that you perform the rule BEFORE any Junk
Classification, and that it is being tied to the correct Email account.
If you for instance have two mail accounts - like one Gmail and one
Yahoo - you will have to tie the rule to the one account where you do
receive the NVDA list messages. Attempting a rule on the wrong Email
account, will cause the rule to never get into action.


Both the Junk Classification, and the choice of mail account, you set
near the top of the dialog.


Also, please make sure you have made your correct choices on WHEN the
rule is to take place. If it is to be put into action upon receiving new
mail, when archiving and so forth. There will be some checkboxes for
handling this, all on top of the dialog.


Agreed, Thunderbird is quite demanding when setting up rules, with quite
a number of fields to be filled in. Then again, once you get the meaning
of it all, you will come to appreciate the powerfulness of it all. One
and same rule can perform many actions, which you under other clients
like Outlook Express would have to define in separate rules. Just to
mention one benefit of the somehow complex setup routine.


Hope any of the above would help you out, and that wyou will loose no
more sleep.


You might actually want to delete your non-functioning rule, and start
all over with that particular rule. And, make sure your other rules do
not conflict the one you are trying to perform. For instance, say you
had one rule that took all mailing list messages, and dropped them into
one big mailing list folder. And then you are creating your NVDA rule to
look out for NVDA messages in the inbox. Your NVDA rule would never kick
in, since your first rule has moved all the messages - being from a
mailing list - to the mailing list folder. Your NVDA rule hence will
have to be tied to the mailing list folder on your system. Hope that all
made some sense.


In the main dialog of all your rules, you might further have to
rearrange the order the rules are carried out. near the top of that
dialog, you have a list of all your rules. Scroll down to the one you
want to rearrange, and tab over to the

Move Up

and

Move down

buttons, to position the rule in its correct rank. When the rules are
being carried out, Thunderbird will start at top of that list, and work
its way down, one rule at a time. So see if you can get it to do your
NVDA stuff in its due time.

David

On 12/6/2016 6:11 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


I have all the other rules set up ok but the one for the NVDA list
isn't working. Last night I was up almost until midnight trying to
correct the mistake I made. I tried everything I could think of to
make thunderbird put the NVDA messages in the correct folder. I don't
know what to do anymore. I'm having to move everything to that folder.
What could I be doing wrong?


Thanks for your help in advance.


Rosemarie






.


Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

The embeded version of xp is still supported until 2019.  You can get more information here.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2014/05/27/simple-hack-gives-windows-xp-users-5-more-years-of-support/#5a5a7925208a


On 12/6/2016 11:02 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 07:30 am, nasrin khaksar wrote:
i read somewhere that xp is supported until 2019

 That is quite simply incorrect.  Microsoft ended all official support for Windows XP in 2014, and that was extended support.  Base support ended in 2008.  See this official announcement on technet.microsoft.com.
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Re: Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Most programs I write work on everything from windows 95 all the way to windows 10. It's not hard. Unless you need a feature specific to a version of windows for what your program does, there's no reason to restrict it to any particular version.

On 12/6/2016 9:23 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
one great advantage of free softwares is the freedom and choices of
there users for there operating system.
commercial programs stop the previous windows, but free programs
support them for many years later and even maybe forever!
i know some softwares that work on windows 95 until windows 10


Re: Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

David <trailerdavid@...>
 

OK, sorry I don't know much other than this to try. Long as you spelled
the narrator phrase correctly, which I am sure you have double-checked,
and your Windows do not start the service.


One last resort that comes to mind, have you ever considered
reinstalling NVDA? I would think thare might be a way to back up all
your NVDA settings, to something like a USB pen. Then completely remove
the screen reader from your system. Redownload a fresh copy, and install
NVDA all from scrach. Reboot, and perform your testing in the software
of your choice.


Something might have got broken in your installation of NVDA. And you
might have incidentially changed a setting somewhere. So if you have
never done a reinstallation, you hereby are encouraged.


Apart from that, I am out of ideas. Hope someone else will help you out.


David

On 12/6/2016 6:52 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
david,
i dont open two screen reader simultaneously.
i only installed both and when openning one, closed another and it was
not compatible for my system.
and about narrator, i am completely sure that dont have it.
i wrote it in the run and the run window became closed without any error!

On 12/6/16, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
I think Microsoft stopped support for windows XP in 2014 if I'm not
mistaken.




On 12/6/2016 7:01 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
antony, do you know the last version of nvda which supports xp?
whats the last version that i can use?
i realy wish that its be possible supporting of xp forever.

On 12/6/16, Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@outlook.com> wrote:
Well, you get to enjoy the benefits of both OSes. Think of it this way,
if
you install Windows XP mode in Windows 7, and when you go into Windows
XP
and install anything, it shows up in the Windows 7 start menu so it's
relatively easy to launch; although the catch is that I think XP mode is
not
available for the home editions of Windows 7, except for Windows 7
Ultimate.
From my tests in the past, NVDA does work under XP mode.

In response to a message earlier, yes, free/open source software stopped
supporting old versions of Windows later than paid ones, but eventually
old
versions of Windows will not be supported. Take Firefox, Mozilla stopped
supporting Windows 2000 I think a year or 2-3 years after Windows 2000
became unsupported by Microsoft.



Re: nvda rule not working in thunderbird

David <trailerdavid@...>
 

In the rule setup screen, you have one combo box, which determines
whether you will be dealing with the Subject line, From field etc. In
this Combo box, choose the entry that says:

To From Bcc and CC

That is, there is a choice that includes them all. So scroll down till
you get to the choice including all of the fields.


The other combo box, is the one that defines if you are looking out for
cases that are completely equal to, or only in partial compares to your
search string. For instance, you could choose the one that says:

Contains.


In the next field, the editbox, you will enter the string to lookout
for. If you have chosen to look out for any strings that CONTAINS, you
here could simply just enter a phrase like:

NVDA.


Now tab over to the combo boxes for what activity to perform on any
messages that meet the requirements you have specified. Make sure to
choose the entry that says:

Move To.


Tab again, and you will be in the combo box for determining which folder
to move the message to. Here, use all your arrow keys, for making your
selection of a folder.


Tabbing further on, you will be given the chance to add more activities,
or more rules to the message. For now, make sure to delete any further
activity, you can always add such on to the rule, at a later state.


In the dialog, also make sure that you perform the rule BEFORE any Junk
Classification, and that it is being tied to the correct Email account.
If you for instance have two mail accounts - like one Gmail and one
Yahoo - you will have to tie the rule to the one account where you do
receive the NVDA list messages. Attempting a rule on the wrong Email
account, will cause the rule to never get into action.


Both the Junk Classification, and the choice of mail account, you set
near the top of the dialog.


Also, please make sure you have made your correct choices on WHEN the
rule is to take place. If it is to be put into action upon receiving new
mail, when archiving and so forth. There will be some checkboxes for
handling this, all on top of the dialog.


Agreed, Thunderbird is quite demanding when setting up rules, with quite
a number of fields to be filled in. Then again, once you get the meaning
of it all, you will come to appreciate the powerfulness of it all. One
and same rule can perform many actions, which you under other clients
like Outlook Express would have to define in separate rules. Just to
mention one benefit of the somehow complex setup routine.


Hope any of the above would help you out, and that wyou will loose no
more sleep.


You might actually want to delete your non-functioning rule, and start
all over with that particular rule. And, make sure your other rules do
not conflict the one you are trying to perform. For instance, say you
had one rule that took all mailing list messages, and dropped them into
one big mailing list folder. And then you are creating your NVDA rule to
look out for NVDA messages in the inbox. Your NVDA rule would never kick
in, since your first rule has moved all the messages - being from a
mailing list - to the mailing list folder. Your NVDA rule hence will
have to be tied to the mailing list folder on your system. Hope that all
made some sense.


In the main dialog of all your rules, you might further have to
rearrange the order the rules are carried out. near the top of that
dialog, you have a list of all your rules. Scroll down to the one you
want to rearrange, and tab over to the

Move Up

and

Move down

buttons, to position the rule in its correct rank. When the rules are
being carried out, Thunderbird will start at top of that list, and work
its way down, one rule at a time. So see if you can get it to do your
NVDA stuff in its due time.

David

On 12/6/2016 6:11 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


I have all the other rules set up ok but the one for the NVDA list
isn't working. Last night I was up almost until midnight trying to
correct the mistake I made. I tried everything I could think of to
make thunderbird put the NVDA messages in the correct folder. I don't
know what to do anymore. I'm having to move everything to that folder.
What could I be doing wrong?


Thanks for your help in advance.


Rosemarie






.


Re: NVDA doesn't announce what shifted letter and number keys do

Chris Mullins
 

I disagree, this is a facility designed to give information on the key combinations used to invoke NVDA commands.  What is spoken identifies the combination of keys used for the commands not what character they yield.  It’s not a work around because it’s not a fault.  It’s just a sensible and easy way of getting to know your keyboard.

 

Cheers

Chris

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 6 December 2016 23:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't announce what shifted letter and number keys do

 

Since it announces letters and numbers unshifted, it is reasonable that it announce the shifted items as well.  Of course, you can do what you are saying, but it is more convenient and better design if input help can announce shifted items.  Your method is a work around. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 4:33 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't announce what shifted letter and number keys do

 

I thought input help was designed to give instructions on NVDA commands rather than keyboard layout.  For keyboard layout type investigations, open a text file and switch on speak typed characters, NVDA+2.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 6 December 2016 18:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA doesn't announce what shifted letter and number keys do

 

I didn't realize this until now but I was playing with input help today and I found that NVDA doesn't announce what shifted number keys do nor what shifted items such as punctuation keys do.  If you hold shift and press a number key, you will hear something like shift plus and then the number is announced.  That doesn't give useful information.  What if I wanted to find the dollar sign.  I couldn't do so using input help.  And I couldn't know from input help that shift slash is the question mark.  I'd hear something like shift plus slash.  Why is this the case and can it be changed without unreasonable effort?

 

Gene


Re: Folders or Separate Accounts

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Jeff,

Years ago I took an internet course from Hadley School for the Blind and one
of the lessons talked about having two separate accounts--one for personal
emails and another for email lists.

Hope this helps.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeffrey
Bohrman
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 10:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Folders or Separate Accounts

Good Morning Everyone:

I need to do something with the two lists that I am on, Win10 and NVDA, of
which bo5th have v3ery heavy traffic coming into my personal account.
This has caused me to miss so important messages that were not related to
both lists.


My main question before I decide which cours3e to take is shall I create new
folders with rules or create separate Gmail accounts? Why am I asking this
question..I use my iPhone a lot? If I do the former, the creation of
folders with rules, what would happen in my Mail APP on my iPhone? Would I
see all of the emails under my personal account or the emails for either
WIN10 or NVDA not show up? So if all emails still come up under one
account, then I would opt for creating two new separate Gmail accounts then.

Super many thanks for your advice in advance!

Jeff


Re: Potential problem with the Remote addon

Chris Mullins
 

You said “hearing NVDA say pass key through, then hitting F11, I can't send an F11 key to his computer” then  “He can hit F11 and obviously it works”.  I took this to mean you pressed NVDA+f2 to try and bypass the sendkey operation of f11 and send it to the remote computer.  If, when the guy on the remote computer presses f11 it works OK, why would you need to run an NVDA bypass command on that computer?

 

When a remote connection is made, the keyboard of the controlled computer works as normal, so f11 is f11.  On the keyboard of the controlling computer however, the f11 key acts as a sendkey toggle, so even if you are ‘sending keys’, the f11 keypress is never transmitted to the remote computer.  I suggested a double/triple keypress event as a sendkey toggle as this is more unlikely to be required by an app you are interacting with on a remote computer.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: 6 December 2016 20:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon

 

But I want the bipass command and the F11 to be executed at the remote end.

 

I'm not sure how much more simple to put this.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 7:29 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon

 

Hi

There has to be a key or key combination which the controlling NVDA uses to switch the key send feature, in this case it happens to be f11.  Using the bypass command doesn’t work because if you are sending keys, it’s executing at the remote end.  Perhaps the remote add-on could be tweaked to use a double or triple  tap of F11 to switch the key sending mode on and off, with a single keypress being treated as any other key.

 

Cheers

Chris

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: 6 December 2016 00:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon

 

Yeah, I sent it to the list earlier, but, who knows... LOL! It's all good.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 6:32 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon

 

Yes, that makes sense.  I don't recall your original message but it makes sense now. 

 

Gene

------ Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 4:48 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon

 

Gene,

 

One of us is confused.

 

Yes it does make sense you'd issue the bypass command. This friend of mine has an app that he uses which uncommonly has F11 mapped as one of the keystrokes to perform a task within that application.  So, regardless if NVDA is in the equasion or not, even if a sighted person was using this same application, F11 would be the command one would need to hit to execute this function. The problem is, F11 is also assigned to the NVDA remote addon to toggle between sending or not sending keys.

 

If I am trying to help him with something in this program, and we get to the point where F11 is required, yeah, I can make him hit the key for me, but that's really a poor way of doing things. I should be able in one form a or another to have the same level of control as him, not 99.9999%. If I am sending keys, and am focused in that application on his system, then try hitting F11, it stops sending keys. Why? Because F11 is ultimately set to be interceptid by the Remote Addon, so therefore that  takes

 precedents over the application in question therefore causing a key conflict. This is why I need the Remote addon to ignore me hitting F11. This way the application sees it, not the remote addon. That's why I was trying to first do a pass key through.

 

If this doesn't make sense, then I'm not sure how more elementary to explain it. Maybe someone else can.

 

Chris.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 5:37 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon

 

It doesn't make sense that you would use the bypass key before issuing the f11 command.  This is clearly an NVDA add on command and you would want it to go to NVDA so the add on will intercept it and take an action. 

 

Whatever the problem is, the bypass key won't solve it, as you found.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 4:32 PM

Subject: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon

 

So, a friend and I were both playing with the NVDA Remote addon. I was controlling his computer.

 

The Addon worked flawlessly with one exception:  For whatever reason, you know how F11 is used for sending/not sending keys? I know earlier I talked about needing the keystroke to pass a key through, which was told to me to be NVDA+F2. Thank you for that information, by the way. The problem is, even after doing this, hearing NVDA say pass key through, then hitting F11, I can't send an F11 key to his computer, no matter what!

 

He! can hit F11 and obviously it works, but shouldn't the controller also be able to do this?

 

This one's got me a bit baffled. Further, in the Tools menu of NVDA under Remote, I tried sending a CTRL+Alt+Del, and that neither is working. It just acts like I did nothing at all.

 

Does anyone know how to get both these issues resolved short of contacting Christopher Toth, who usually never seems to respond back to me cvia e-mail nor via Twitter, not sure why not?

 

Chris.


Re: nvda rule not working in thunderbird

David Moore
 

Yes, I will give it a listen as well. I have never learned how to create message rules.

Take care.

Dave

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda rule not working in thunderbird

 

Hi, David,

 

I'll give a listen to Gene NZ's tutorial when it's put up in a few days. I had such a hard time with creating filters so I came back to outlook. It's a heck of a lot easier to create message rules with outlook.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 3:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda rule not working in thunderbird

 

Yes, that was great!

Thanks a lot.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda rule not working in thunderbird

 

Hi David

 

hopefully it should be easy enough to follow. Even though i had already setup the message filter, using the context menu will still take you back to the way where i went through the tools then filter way.. I just figured the rule is already setup so i went in to show what sections were done if you get what I mean.

 

Hopefully it helps and doing it off the email was the easiest way for the nvda list.

 

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 7/12/2016 11:56 AM, David Moore wrote:

Hi Gene NZ,

Thanks a lot for this. I am definitely interested in this. I will give this a listen.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda rule not working in thunderbird

 

Hi

 

 

I done a quick audio tutorial on how to create a basic filter in thunder

bird. The filter must be done on the inbox.

 

 

the other thing i done before setting up the filter was to create a

folder for the emails to go into. for example nvda emails

 

 

When the filter is set up and running all emails from the nvda list will

go into the nvda emails folder.

 

Because i had already made a filter for it to be done I couldive done it

through the context menu, then set it up.

 

 

That way will still take you back to the way shown in the audio tutorial

and the same steps as doing it through the tools then filter menu.

 

 

Also doing it through the menus which i show in the tutorial  it will

give you a idea of where to look either to edit or remove a filter or

even create a new one.

 

 

I will put the audio tutorial on my accessible email client mozilla

thunder bird page in the next day or so. Plus there will be a please

note that the filter must be done on the inbox etc

 

 

Others might be interested in-doing the same thing so i will post a drop

box link here for others to listen 2.

 

 

The link to the tutorial is

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64177841/creating%20a%20basic%20filter%20in%20mozilla%20thunder%20bird.MP3

 

The steps are the same whether you use the context menu and go in that

way or do it through the tools then filter menu.

 

 

Gene nz

 

 

 

On 7/12/2016 6:11 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

> Hi, everyone,

> I have all the other rules set up ok but the one for the NVDA list

> isn't working. Last night I was up almost until midnight trying to

> correct the mistake I made. I tried everything I could think of to

> make thunderbird put the NVDA messages in the correct folder. I don't

> know what to do anymore. I'm having to move everything to that folder.

> What could I be doing wrong?

> Thanks for your help in advance.

> Rosemarie

>

 

--

<b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics.

http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook by visiting

the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216

Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries

 

 

 

 

 

-- 
<b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook by visiting
the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216
Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries

 

 


Re: nvda rule not working in thunderbird

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Does it have to be done from the inbox? I was doing it the hard way.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 3:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda rule not working in thunderbird

 

Hi David

 

hopefully it should be easy enough to follow. Even though i had already setup the message filter, using the context menu will still take you back to the way where i went through the tools then filter way.. I just figured the rule is already setup so i went in to show what sections were done if you get what I mean.

 

Hopefully it helps and doing it off the email was the easiest way for the nvda list.

 

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 7/12/2016 11:56 AM, David Moore wrote:

Hi Gene NZ,

Thanks a lot for this. I am definitely interested in this. I will give this a listen.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda rule not working in thunderbird

 

Hi

 

 

I done a quick audio tutorial on how to create a basic filter in thunder

bird. The filter must be done on the inbox.

 

 

the other thing i done before setting up the filter was to create a

folder for the emails to go into. for example nvda emails

 

 

When the filter is set up and running all emails from the nvda list will

go into the nvda emails folder.

 

Because i had already made a filter for it to be done I couldive done it

through the context menu, then set it up.

 

 

That way will still take you back to the way shown in the audio tutorial

and the same steps as doing it through the tools then filter menu.

 

 

Also doing it through the menus which i show in the tutorial  it will

give you a idea of where to look either to edit or remove a filter or

even create a new one.

 

 

I will put the audio tutorial on my accessible email client mozilla

thunder bird page in the next day or so. Plus there will be a please

note that the filter must be done on the inbox etc

 

 

Others might be interested in-doing the same thing so i will post a drop

box link here for others to listen 2.

 

 

The link to the tutorial is

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64177841/creating%20a%20basic%20filter%20in%20mozilla%20thunder%20bird.MP3

 

The steps are the same whether you use the context menu and go in that

way or do it through the tools then filter menu.

 

 

Gene nz

 

 

 

On 7/12/2016 6:11 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

> Hi, everyone,

> I have all the other rules set up ok but the one for the NVDA list

> isn't working. Last night I was up almost until midnight trying to

> correct the mistake I made. I tried everything I could think of to

> make thunderbird put the NVDA messages in the correct folder. I don't

> know what to do anymore. I'm having to move everything to that folder.

> What could I be doing wrong?

> Thanks for your help in advance.

> Rosemarie

>

 

--

<b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics.

http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook by visiting

the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216

Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries

 

 

 

 



-- 
<b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook by visiting
the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216
Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries


Re: nvda rule not working in thunderbird

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, David,

 

I'll give a listen to Gene NZ's tutorial when it's put up in a few days. I had such a hard time with creating filters so I came back to outlook. It's a heck of a lot easier to create message rules with outlook.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 3:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda rule not working in thunderbird

 

Yes, that was great!

Thanks a lot.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda rule not working in thunderbird

 

Hi David

 

hopefully it should be easy enough to follow. Even though i had already setup the message filter, using the context menu will still take you back to the way where i went through the tools then filter way.. I just figured the rule is already setup so i went in to show what sections were done if you get what I mean.

 

Hopefully it helps and doing it off the email was the easiest way for the nvda list.

 

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 7/12/2016 11:56 AM, David Moore wrote:

Hi Gene NZ,

Thanks a lot for this. I am definitely interested in this. I will give this a listen.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda rule not working in thunderbird

 

Hi

 

 

I done a quick audio tutorial on how to create a basic filter in thunder

bird. The filter must be done on the inbox.

 

 

the other thing i done before setting up the filter was to create a

folder for the emails to go into. for example nvda emails

 

 

When the filter is set up and running all emails from the nvda list will

go into the nvda emails folder.

 

Because i had already made a filter for it to be done I couldive done it

through the context menu, then set it up.

 

 

That way will still take you back to the way shown in the audio tutorial

and the same steps as doing it through the tools then filter menu.

 

 

Also doing it through the menus which i show in the tutorial  it will

give you a idea of where to look either to edit or remove a filter or

even create a new one.

 

 

I will put the audio tutorial on my accessible email client mozilla

thunder bird page in the next day or so. Plus there will be a please

note that the filter must be done on the inbox etc

 

 

Others might be interested in-doing the same thing so i will post a drop

box link here for others to listen 2.

 

 

The link to the tutorial is

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64177841/creating%20a%20basic%20filter%20in%20mozilla%20thunder%20bird.MP3

 

The steps are the same whether you use the context menu and go in that

way or do it through the tools then filter menu.

 

 

Gene nz

 

 

 

On 7/12/2016 6:11 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

> Hi, everyone,

> I have all the other rules set up ok but the one for the NVDA list

> isn't working. Last night I was up almost until midnight trying to

> correct the mistake I made. I tried everything I could think of to

> make thunderbird put the NVDA messages in the correct folder. I don't

> know what to do anymore. I'm having to move everything to that folder.

> What could I be doing wrong?

> Thanks for your help in advance.

> Rosemarie

>

 

--

<b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics.

http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook by visiting

the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216

Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries

 

 

 

 

 

-- 
<b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook by visiting
the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216
Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries

 


Re: NVDA and Open Office

Quentin Christensen
 

It looks like there is only one version for windows, which would be 32-bit, as you said - On the download page there is an option for 32 or 64 bit versions for Linux: http://www.openoffice.org/download/

For LibreOffice, it looks like there is a 64 bit version although it's not right up the top next to the 
32 bit version, but look a bit further down the page and it's listed as "Windows x86_64": https://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io <the.big.white.shepherd@...> wrote:
Am I correct in saying there is only a 32bit version of open office? you do get a 64bit version of Lo.


On 06/12/2016 16:45, David wrote:
Well, I pretty much second your question, except from me being totally
depending on being able to use spreadsheets. Will NVDA let me operate
the equivalent to MS Excel, under either OpenOffice or LibriOffice?



David

On 12/6/2016 3:54 PM, Jorge Gonçalves wrote:
Hello,

I just got curious from your answer. I am a LibreOffice user.

What does make Open Office more accessible than LibreOffice? What are
the main accessibility differences? I am only interested in the Word
Processor.

Cheers,
Jorge

Às 14:41 de 06/12/2016, Robert Kingett escreveu:
It works well even if you do not have Java installed. It is more
accessible than Libreoffice but Libreoffice is a better program in
every other way.







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Re: NVDA doesn't announce what shifted letter and number keys do

Gene
 

Since it announces letters and numbers unshifted, it is reasonable that it announce the shifted items as well.  Of course, you can do what you are saying, but it is more convenient and better design if input help can announce shifted items.  Your method is a work around. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't announce what shifted letter and number keys do

I thought input help was designed to give instructions on NVDA commands rather than keyboard layout.  For keyboard layout type investigations, open a text file and switch on speak typed characters, NVDA+2.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 6 December 2016 18:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA doesn't announce what shifted letter and number keys do

 

I didn't realize this until now but I was playing with input help today and I found that NVDA doesn't announce what shifted number keys do nor what shifted items such as punctuation keys do.  If you hold shift and press a number key, you will hear something like shift plus and then the number is announced.  That doesn't give useful information.  What if I wanted to find the dollar sign.  I couldn't do so using input help.  And I couldn't know from input help that shift slash is the question mark.  I'd hear something like shift plus slash.  Why is this the case and can it be changed without unreasonable effort?

 

Gene