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Patrick Wilson <Sirpatrickwilson@...>
 

And less you have changed the link to the Skype support group, the groups are now manual add only, so the links do not work, and less Joseph added his new group they created, thanks and I wanted to let you know that

On Jul 13, 2016, at 10:36 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 08:32 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:
If you've written something which you think would be of interest to the NVDA community

I've read it.  It would not be.  This thread has already been reported to the moderation team.  There is no place for personal attacks here, and I'm talking about the original message.  I had to chuckle at the reaction to mine.
--
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locked Re: File about Joseph Lee/I was probably very tired when I wrote this file

Gene
 

I haven't intervened in this so far.  More ill mannered and abusive posts of this sort from you or from any or your cohorts will result in you or your cohorts being immediately placed on moderated status if not removed completely. The arrogance and complete disregard of list rules concerning civility will not be tolerated.  Who do you and your friends think you are to fill this list with the kind of attacks you have been indulging in.  As far as I'm concerned, such attacks leave all of you with no credibility regarding whatever problems have been occurring on the Skipe list. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] File about Joseph Lee/I was probably very tired when I wrote this file

Ok?Ok?AND YOU CAN Go DIE

On Jul 13, 2016, at 10:20 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

What earthly purpose does a post like this serve?  It should be removed by the moderators.
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locked Re: File about Joseph Lee/I was probably very tired when I wrote this file

 

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 08:32 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:
If you've written something which you think would be of interest to the NVDA community

I've read it.  It would not be.  This thread has already been reported to the moderation team.  There is no place for personal attacks here, and I'm talking about the original message.  I had to chuckle at the reaction to mine.
--
Brian

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locked Re: File about Joseph Lee/I was probably very tired when I wrote this file

Patrick Wilson <Sirpatrickwilson@...>
 

How do you delete posts? You can delete your own posts, right?

On Jul 13, 2016, at 10:32 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Woah, settle down there Patrick!

Firstly, that's no way to behave.

Secondly, To be honest, I'm not entirely clear on your original message either.  The subject line says something about Joseph Lee, and the name of the file you linked to says something about comparing the iPhone to computers?

If you've written something which you think would be of interest to the NVDA community, maybe state what it's about a little more in the message, and either link to a regular web page with the full text or if it can survive plain text, just include it in the body of the message.

Many people are wary of opening doc files from the web because of the potential for macro viruses etc.

Kind regards,

Quentin.


On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Patrick Wilson <Sirpatrickwilson@...> wrote:
Ok?Ok?AND YOU CAN Go DIE

On Jul 13, 2016, at 10:20 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

What earthly purpose does a post like this serve?  It should be removed by the moderators.
--
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locked Re: File about Joseph Lee/I was probably very tired when I wrote this file

Quentin Christensen
 

Woah, settle down there Patrick!

Firstly, that's no way to behave.

Secondly, To be honest, I'm not entirely clear on your original message either.  The subject line says something about Joseph Lee, and the name of the file you linked to says something about comparing the iPhone to computers?

If you've written something which you think would be of interest to the NVDA community, maybe state what it's about a little more in the message, and either link to a regular web page with the full text or if it can survive plain text, just include it in the body of the message.

Many people are wary of opening doc files from the web because of the potential for macro viruses etc.

Kind regards,

Quentin.


On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Patrick Wilson <Sirpatrickwilson@...> wrote:
Ok?Ok?AND YOU CAN Go DIE

On Jul 13, 2016, at 10:20 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

What earthly purpose does a post like this serve?  It should be removed by the moderators.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    





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locked Re: File about Joseph Lee/I was probably very tired when I wrote this file

Patrick Wilson <Sirpatrickwilson@...>
 

Ok?Ok?AND YOU CAN Go DIE

On Jul 13, 2016, at 10:20 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

What earthly purpose does a post like this serve?  It should be removed by the moderators.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



locked Re: File about Joseph Lee/I was probably very tired when I wrote this file

 

What earthly purpose does a post like this serve?  It should be removed by the moderators.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



locked File about Joseph Lee/I was probably very tired when I wrote this file

Patrick Wilson <Sirpatrickwilson@...>
 

I swear, it's been forever since I wrote this, I just found the file, made a few edits, generated a link, and, now I'm here, here it is, And all it's non-glory


locked Re: nvda skype group and skype groups in general

Patrick Wilson <Sirpatrickwilson@...>
 

You didn't give joseph lee a chance to defend himself and I do the same now.??? He had plenty of chances, anyone that may have gotten removed from this group had plenty of chances, interesting

On Jul 13, 2016, at 7:55 PM, michael chopra <justforlists689@gmail.com> wrote:

Good afternoon everyone. As an admin of said group, I am sorry to say that we, Shawn, did give the said user a chance. Because he didn't give us good reason to keep him in both groups, we removed him. Sorry for your inconvenience. The way things are, we decided to make it so that only we who are in these groups can add anyone,.
Thank you for reading and understanding.
From Michael.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Wednesday, 13 July 2016 15:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda skype group and skype groups in general

Hi all users.
I am having some serious concerns about groups on skype.
I know we are not able to control what goes on outside this forum, however, while I like unmoderated groups from time to time on loose topics etc, I do see times when a moderator was needed.
Yesterday some users had issue with another user.
How he came accross and said user saying sapi4 didn't work on windows 10 which it does, saying that I was unsure never have used it in 10 myself.
I do know old sapi5 ms voices can cause dammage, etc.
Said user was removed without a chance to defend his actions.
Then both groups had their join features disabled.
It also appears with skype groups in general that everyone can add remove, disable, hide unhide everything and everyone and the only protection is to ask not to.
Clearly skype groups are not secure.
Once someone has a dissaggreement it can turn ugly quite fast.
I have seen random strings, and other junk posted on some of these and offtopic chatter which I was happy to take part in.
I am no longer associated with both groups involved though.
A few days ago there was a descussion on what group or list was a good mediam for nvda.
A forum and a email list came up.
From what I saw yesterday, an email list and forum can be moderated and not everyone has admin power.
Yesterday it demonstrated how unready we as a community or at least some of us are ready for that power.
Because of this to those in the groups effected I am not coming back.
You didn't give joseph lee a chance to defend himself and I do the same now.
You have driven me away from what I thought would be a good group, and have shown me skype groups are not the best medium for descussion at all especially if they can not be moderated or secured.
There are a lot more things I want to say but I have said my bit.
I also know by putting this I am probably making enemies here may even be cutting my path out of the groups involved, but I have no choice really.
I know we as a community are better than this.







locked Re: nvda skype group and skype groups in general

Michael Chopra <justforlists689@...>
 

Good afternoon everyone. As an admin of said group, I am sorry to say that we, Shawn, did give the said user a chance. Because he didn't give us good reason to keep him in both groups, we removed him. Sorry for your inconvenience. The way things are, we decided to make it so that only we who are in these groups can add anyone,.
Thank you for reading and understanding.
From Michael.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Wednesday, 13 July 2016 15:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda skype group and skype groups in general

Hi all users.
I am having some serious concerns about groups on skype.
I know we are not able to control what goes on outside this forum, however, while I like unmoderated groups from time to time on loose topics etc, I do see times when a moderator was needed.
Yesterday some users had issue with another user.
How he came accross and said user saying sapi4 didn't work on windows 10 which it does, saying that I was unsure never have used it in 10 myself.
I do know old sapi5 ms voices can cause dammage, etc.
Said user was removed without a chance to defend his actions.
Then both groups had their join features disabled.
It also appears with skype groups in general that everyone can add remove, disable, hide unhide everything and everyone and the only protection is to ask not to.
Clearly skype groups are not secure.
Once someone has a dissaggreement it can turn ugly quite fast.
I have seen random strings, and other junk posted on some of these and offtopic chatter which I was happy to take part in.
I am no longer associated with both groups involved though.
A few days ago there was a descussion on what group or list was a good mediam for nvda.
A forum and a email list came up.
From what I saw yesterday, an email list and forum can be moderated and not everyone has admin power.
Yesterday it demonstrated how unready we as a community or at least some of us are ready for that power.
Because of this to those in the groups effected I am not coming back.
You didn't give joseph lee a chance to defend himself and I do the same now.
You have driven me away from what I thought would be a good group, and have shown me skype groups are not the best medium for descussion at all especially if they can not be moderated or secured.
There are a lot more things I want to say but I have said my bit.
I also know by putting this I am probably making enemies here may even be cutting my path out of the groups involved, but I have no choice really.
I know we as a community are better than this.


Re: FW: Notes on NVDA and PowerPoint

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Cearbhall,

 

I usually edit tables in Word or Excel and then get them into Powerpoint. If I must edit them in PowerPoint, I then use word by word navigation with the ctrl+left and right arrow and line by line navigation to move around in the table. The only way I know of is to be familiar with the content of the table so that you know what you are editing. I wish there was a better answer.

 

Pranav

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 1:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: Notes on NVDA and PowerPoint

 

Pranav,

 

Good to hear your experience. I am relieved to find that your experience reflects my own.

 

I am particularly interested in the detail of navigating tables. As you say, column divisions are not echoed  so:

1.      How do you know when you are in one column or another?

2.      Is there any way of knowing which column your active point is in?

3.      What keystrokes are involved apart from those which you have already described?

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 1:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: Notes on NVDA and PowerPoint

 

Hi all,

 

In terms of table navigation and editing:

1.       I can read tables in slide show mode.

2.       When in object navigation mode, reading of a table or editing a table is difficult because column seperators are not spoken. This used to happen even with Jaws version 16 I think.

3.       I am on PowerPoint 2016 and  whatever has been discussed so far is applicable to that version.

4.       The tab and shift+tab are standard keystrokes. The same applies to f6 and shift+f6.

Pranav

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Sedmak
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 2:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: Notes on NVDA and PowerPoint

 

Has anyone had luck navigating tables in powerpoint?  Table navigation does not work for me in powerpoint.

I have to resort to using tab to step through every cell.

Thanks,

Mike

 

Sent from my iPhone, please forgive the typos. 


On Jul 9, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Sukil Etxenike via Groups.io <sukiletxe@...> wrote:

Hi,
You can also press ctrl+F6 or ctrl+shift+F6 to move forth and back between pannels. And S and D (or was it A and S) also work to go to the previous and next slide in the slideshow.

Regards,
Sukil

El 09/07/2016 a las 20:36, Cearbhall O'Meadhra escribió:

Hi,

 

I have been working all day on this topic and have put together the following notes about using PowerPoint with NVDA. Please let me know what you think of these notes. Have you any improvements to suggest?

 

I have used PowerPoint 2010 on Windows 10 using NVDA 2016.2 on my Desktop Pc.

 

Notes on the use of PowerPoint with NVDA

 

1. File opens in slide view

2. Page Down moves from slide to slide showing the title pane

 

For the first slide:

3. Press tab to move to the title placeholder. NVDA reads the title of the slide;

4. Press tab again to move to the subtitle placeholder. NVDA reads the subtitle;

5. Press tab again to move to the embedded graphic. NVDA  says "Graphic" if no alt text;

6. Press tab again to move to rectangle shape.

7. Press tab again to return to the title placeholder at the top of the slide

 

Press page down For the second slide:

8. Press tab to move to the title placeholder

9. Press tab to go to the text placeholder. NVDA reads all the text in the placeholder

10. Press numpad 9 and numbpad 7 to read the text in the placeholder line by line

11. Press tab to move to the graphic image. NVDA reports the location of the graphic in the computer when the alt text has not been filled in.

 

Press page down for the third slide

12. Press tab for the Title placeholder

13. Press tab for the object placeholder. NVDA reads all the text as in the text placeholder at 9 above

 

 

Press pagedown for slide 4;

Same as slide 3.

 

Press page down for slide 5

15. Press tab for footer placeholder. NVDA reads all text in the footer;

16. Press tab for slide number placeholder. NVDA reads out the number of the slide;

17. Press tab for title placeholder

18. Press tab for text placeholder.

19. Press tab to return to the footer placeholder.

 

control+home jumps to the first slide

control+end jumps to the last slide.

 

The Slide Show

 

Press F5 to start the slide show

NVDA reads the whole slide from top to bottom including the title and leaves the cursor at the bottom of the slide.

1. Press page down and page up to move from slide to slide. Note that it may be necessary to wait for a few seconds between key presses to allow the slide show to catch up;

2. Press numpad 9 and numpad 7 to read the contents of the slide line by line.

3. Press return or space bar to move to the next slide. Sometimes nothing happens and then do the instruction at 4 below.

4. Type the  number  of a slide followed by return to jump to that slide.

5. Press control-shift-s to switch back and forth between the slide and its accompanying notes.

6. Use F6 to move between the status bar pane, slide view pane, thumbnails pane and notes pane. Use the arrow keys to move through the options available in each of these panes. Use F6 to move to the chosen view to see the results.

7. Use the escape key to exit the slide show.

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From: Cearbhall O'Meadhra [mailto:cearbhall.omeadhra@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 12:08 PM
To: '
nvda@nvda.groups.io'
Subject: RE: NVDA and PowerPoint

 

Hi again,

 

I am using PowerPoint 2010 with NVDA 2016.2 and Windows 10 on a desktop PC.

 

All advice welcome, thanks!

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 11:48 AM
To:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and PowerPoint

 

Hi,

 

I have taken on a new project in which I have to be able to read several PowerPoint presentations. Are there any guides for using PowerPoint with NVDA? Can anyone give me any pointers from their own experience?

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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Re: NVDA and Win10 Defender

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


Is the settings option not opening? I just went into it using the enter
key and saw the different options there. Could you get to the second
part where these were?


Or is it one of the settings under this section?


Gene nz

On 14/07/2016 8:03 AM, Pascal Lambert wrote:
Hi,
When I run Windows Defender, the scanning options are accessible using the
tab key. However I cannot get the voice to read the settings option to
click on It to make changes.
Please, any idea why?
Thanks and blessings
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 12:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] The Paypal form..

Well, when I do it I use my currently registered card which comes up with
the last four digits of the choice and I simply agree to use it create a new
association or exit.

My guess is that for some reason one of the fields is not being filled in
correctly, and since its probably hidden by the time you get to see the
screen, its hard to figure it out. Normally certificate mismatches or
scripts that the anti virus does not like have error messages one can hear
so know where to start to look for the issue. To me nothing has change in
recent months apart from some combo boxes being easier to use and
predictable.
Its very hard from this end to diagnose what might be going on here.
I am also sure that the local area where you are has a telephone number,
most do, I rang through and got a very nice Irish lady a year or so back
when it kept rejecting my card details, and it turned out to be a fault in
their system and was fixed almost immediately.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The Paypal form..


Nope, has nothing to do with my card. I just got a new one last February
and immediately activated it. Further, I've sent payments to this person
several other times with the new card, although I use from my bank balance
when doing this, and everything has gone smoothly until just a couple days
ago. Nothing has changed on this end--it was a sudden change on PayPal's
site. I emailed them, but just got back an auto robot reply based on the
subject of my message--no person ever read it and the suggestions given
in the reply message have nothing to do with my real problem so I don't
know where to go from here.

Roger










On 7/12/2016 4:14 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Maybe and its far from my thoughts to suggest you might have let it laps,
but perhaps the card you specified is no longer valid, but it should
then suggest you set up a payment method instead. I just cannot see where
the problem is as it seems to be well protected against silly entries and
normally suggests a course of action to you if it goes wrong
It might be something really daft like the currency is not allowed to be
transferred in that country or something. Here in the UK its a bit hard
to judge as everything defaults and it even gives you the exchange rate.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The Paypal form..


I'd very much appreciate this. I just tried to send money to my friend
again this morning and I get the same problem. Everything seems normal
until after I've filled in the amount I want to send and type in a brief
message. Next thing I tab to is a link saying please choose a payment
method. It used to bring up a screen with the choices of my bank account
or my Visa card. Now all that happens when I choose this link is Firefox
makes a familiar click and I'm right back with the amount reset to zero
and my message to my friend deleted out. I just tried this several
times this morning, and the behavior is totally circular--that is it's
just stuck in an endless loop and I never get to chose a payment method
or get to the page where it just says send money now. I did send a
message similar to this to PayPal and will see what they may have to say
about it. Something has obviously changed on their page setup and nvda
isn't catching it for me.

Thanks.

Roger







On 7/11/2016 12:16 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
Hmmm, I could probably get you a tutorial sometime this week. I have
a support call this afternoon and my windows virtual machine is being
a huge brat lately. If no one gets to it before I do though, I'll put
something up.

If NVDA doesn't have a spot for hosting such things I can do it from
my new site.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
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On Jul 11, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Roger Stewart <paganus2@gmail.com
<mailto:paganus2@gmail.com>> wrote:

If there were any errors, nvda didn't report any. There may be
something but if the screen reader can't see it then neither can I.
I am using the latest stable nvda--2016.2.1

Roger









On 7/11/2016 9:43 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
Roger, It sounds as if you have the ideal setup for what you want
to do. Well that's the good news. The bad news is it makes it
harder for us to diagnose. I think we've exhausted any
compatibility issues although if for some reason you're not running
the latest NVDA, you might want to hit the update button.

Then we have to get into making sure you have a valid payment method
on file, and looking at other things behind the scenes.

When something goes wrong, paypal has gotten decent at letting you
know. Near the top of the page there is usually a signpost that
tells you if there are errors. If you see one of those it would be
helpful if you sent us the text of the error.

Thanks,

Erik Burggraaf
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On Jul 11, 2016, at 7:17 AM, Roger Stewart <paganus2@gmail.com
<mailto:paganus2@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'm using Firefox and it is set as my default browser.

Roger









On 7/11/2016 7:50 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
I don't remember Roger telling us what browser he's using but I
feel I have to agree with Brian here this seems like a browser
issue to me I was able to do the donation successfully using
Google Chrome and voice over on the Mac and yes the boxes did come
up as invalid until I finish typing in them. It would definitely
be worth your while trying Firefox if you haven't already if you
have tried Firefox and the same thing happens please let us know I
think switching browsers is a lot more convenient than having
several screen reader is on a machine or soliciting cited
assistance useful as that can be sometimes

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On July 11, 2016 6:39:12 AM "Brian's Mail list account"
<bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

I can say that using Firefox 46
The form works as it always did.
I just donated 30 aus and OK the invalid input did come up as
typing into
the boxes, but I suspect this is an artifact that until you
finish it is
indeed wrong.
As usual had several goes at remembering the caps and lower case
in the
password, and it eventually accepted it and sent me through when
I clicked
the button or link for doing the donation.
My feeling here is that this is a browser issue if you cannot get
it to
work, always try another browser. I did mention that the IE
current updat is
a bit broken as far as some accessibility is concerned, but its
very very
spcific it seems as most of the time its fine.
Brian

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locked Re: nvda skype group and skype groups in general

Shaun Oliver
 

probably for this very reason. nor did he want to deal with a paedophile that takes the word of a ten year old child over people much more wise and learned than said child.

On 13/07/2016 23:48, Brandon Cross wrote:
Why not come out and say what you mean instead of making generalizations. Why not talk privately about your concerns to people who can do something about it. Why would you blather on in this list about something that will never change. Further, your feedback means nothing to me because I've seen how you are and you gripe about everything, so, constructive feedback you do not provide. You are a negative person and I have seen this before in you.


Joseph lee was removed because he used the group to promote his own means, and not that of NVDA. I have personally had a problem with everything he has done since he has entered the group. It is an accumulation of things and not just the sapi4 thing. Which, to me, I see that as a blatant lie. I cannot abide lies and misinformation in a group that is supposed to give correct information and help those in need. Now, this could have been an honest mistake, but again, I don't see it as such. Me and another admin contacted Mr. Lee privately and he refused to discuss these issues with us.


Without going further into things, because I feel all of us have the right to our privacy, and I will not breach that for any reason, let's just say I think the group is better off without him. He has a serious lack of communication skills and has hurt the group with this, and his self-centered attitude. I feel NVDA is about community and Mr. Lee is about individuality.


I am appreciative of his good works in code contributions to NVDA and will remain so. I will never say he does not write good code. I do feel, however, that he lacks the skills to manage people and run a group or community.


So, in summation, I felt his attitude to be a blight on the support group, and I removed said blight. The majority of people have expressed either gratitude or their ascent to the group as a whole since his removal. This will be the last time I will mention this matter, and I am genuinely sorry if this message causes any distress among any of you. I do not enjoy starting drama or any of the nonsense that goes along with it.


Thanks and I hope next time I post, it will be a bit more lighthearted.


On 7/12/2016 11:51 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi all users.
I am having some serious concerns about groups on skype.
I know we are not able to control what goes on outside this forum, however, while I like unmoderated groups from time to time on loose topics etc, I do see times when a moderator was needed.
Yesterday some users had issue with another user.
How he came accross and said user saying sapi4 didn't work on windows 10 which it does, saying that I was unsure never have used it in 10 myself.
I do know old sapi5 ms voices can cause dammage, etc.
Said user was removed without a chance to defend his actions.
Then both groups had their join features disabled.
It also appears with skype groups in general that everyone can add remove, disable, hide unhide everything and everyone and the only protection is to ask not to.
Clearly skype groups are not secure.
Once someone has a dissaggreement it can turn ugly quite fast.
I have seen random strings, and other junk posted on some of these and offtopic chatter which I was happy to take part in.
I am no longer associated with both groups involved though.
A few days ago there was a descussion on what group or list was a good mediam for nvda.
A forum and a email list came up.
From what I saw yesterday, an email list and forum can be moderated and not everyone has admin power.
Yesterday it demonstrated how unready we as a community or at least some of us are ready for that power.
Because of this to those in the groups effected I am not coming back.
You didn't give joseph lee a chance to defend himself and I do the same now.
You have driven me away from what I thought would be a good group, and have shown me skype groups are not the best medium for descussion at all especially if they can not be moderated or secured.
There are a lot more things I want to say but I have said my bit.
I also know by putting this I am probably making enemies here may even be cutting my path out of the groups involved, but I have no choice really.
I know we as a community are better than this.




NVDA and Win10 Defender

Pascal Lambert
 

Hi,
When I run Windows Defender, the scanning options are accessible using the
tab key. However I cannot get the voice to read the settings option to
click on It to make changes.
Please, any idea why?
Thanks and blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 12:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] The Paypal form..

Well, when I do it I use my currently registered card which comes up with
the last four digits of the choice and I simply agree to use it create a new
association or exit.

My guess is that for some reason one of the fields is not being filled in
correctly, and since its probably hidden by the time you get to see the
screen, its hard to figure it out. Normally certificate mismatches or
scripts that the anti virus does not like have error messages one can hear
so know where to start to look for the issue. To me nothing has change in
recent months apart from some combo boxes being easier to use and
predictable.
Its very hard from this end to diagnose what might be going on here.
I am also sure that the local area where you are has a telephone number,
most do, I rang through and got a very nice Irish lady a year or so back
when it kept rejecting my card details, and it turned out to be a fault in
their system and was fixed almost immediately.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The Paypal form..


Nope, has nothing to do with my card. I just got a new one last February
and immediately activated it. Further, I've sent payments to this person
several other times with the new card, although I use from my bank balance
when doing this, and everything has gone smoothly until just a couple days
ago. Nothing has changed on this end--it was a sudden change on PayPal's
site. I emailed them, but just got back an auto robot reply based on the
subject of my message--no person ever read it and the suggestions given
in the reply message have nothing to do with my real problem so I don't
know where to go from here.

Roger










On 7/12/2016 4:14 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Maybe and its far from my thoughts to suggest you might have let it laps,
but perhaps the card you specified is no longer valid, but it should
then suggest you set up a payment method instead. I just cannot see where
the problem is as it seems to be well protected against silly entries and
normally suggests a course of action to you if it goes wrong
It might be something really daft like the currency is not allowed to be
transferred in that country or something. Here in the UK its a bit hard
to judge as everything defaults and it even gives you the exchange rate.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The Paypal form..


I'd very much appreciate this. I just tried to send money to my friend
again this morning and I get the same problem. Everything seems normal
until after I've filled in the amount I want to send and type in a brief
message. Next thing I tab to is a link saying please choose a payment
method. It used to bring up a screen with the choices of my bank account
or my Visa card. Now all that happens when I choose this link is Firefox
makes a familiar click and I'm right back with the amount reset to zero
and my message to my friend deleted out. I just tried this several
times this morning, and the behavior is totally circular--that is it's
just stuck in an endless loop and I never get to chose a payment method
or get to the page where it just says send money now. I did send a
message similar to this to PayPal and will see what they may have to say
about it. Something has obviously changed on their page setup and nvda
isn't catching it for me.

Thanks.

Roger







On 7/11/2016 12:16 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
Hmmm, I could probably get you a tutorial sometime this week. I have
a support call this afternoon and my windows virtual machine is being
a huge brat lately. If no one gets to it before I do though, I'll put
something up.

If NVDA doesn't have a spot for hosting such things I can do it from
my new site.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
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On Jul 11, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Roger Stewart <paganus2@gmail.com
<mailto:paganus2@gmail.com>> wrote:

If there were any errors, nvda didn't report any. There may be
something but if the screen reader can't see it then neither can I.
I am using the latest stable nvda--2016.2.1

Roger









On 7/11/2016 9:43 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
Roger, It sounds as if you have the ideal setup for what you want
to do. Well that's the good news. The bad news is it makes it
harder for us to diagnose. I think we've exhausted any
compatibility issues although if for some reason you're not running
the latest NVDA, you might want to hit the update button.

Then we have to get into making sure you have a valid payment method
on file, and looking at other things behind the scenes.

When something goes wrong, paypal has gotten decent at letting you
know. Near the top of the page there is usually a signpost that
tells you if there are errors. If you see one of those it would be
helpful if you sent us the text of the error.

Thanks,

Erik Burggraaf
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Reader or Nearby Explorer for IOS or android!
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On Jul 11, 2016, at 7:17 AM, Roger Stewart <paganus2@gmail.com
<mailto:paganus2@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'm using Firefox and it is set as my default browser.

Roger









On 7/11/2016 7:50 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
I don't remember Roger telling us what browser he's using but I
feel I have to agree with Brian here this seems like a browser
issue to me I was able to do the donation successfully using
Google Chrome and voice over on the Mac and yes the boxes did come
up as invalid until I finish typing in them. It would definitely
be worth your while trying Firefox if you haven't already if you
have tried Firefox and the same thing happens please let us know I
think switching browsers is a lot more convenient than having
several screen reader is on a machine or soliciting cited
assistance useful as that can be sometimes

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On July 11, 2016 6:39:12 AM "Brian's Mail list account"
<bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

I can say that using Firefox 46
The form works as it always did.
I just donated 30 aus and OK the invalid input did come up as
typing into
the boxes, but I suspect this is an artifact that until you
finish it is
indeed wrong.
As usual had several goes at remembering the caps and lower case
in the
password, and it eventually accepted it and sent me through when
I clicked
the button or link for doing the donation.
My feeling here is that this is a browser issue if you cannot get
it to
work, always try another browser. I did mention that the IE
current updat is
a bit broken as far as some accessibility is concerned, but its
very very
spcific it seems as most of the time its fine.
Brian

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Re: PayPal seems to be browser related

 

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 08:47 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote, in part:  "I'd go along with that, but it does highlight that many sites are not sufficiently tested, which I imagine causes all sorts of users problems."

I can't even say that I agree with that assertion anymore.  There are, as Roger Stewart observed, just too many variables outside the control of the developers "out there in the wild" that it is impossible to take into account every possible eventuality.   Things people overlook are things like cache corruption, add-on conflicts, that they're using a browser or browser version that's long been unsupported, they've got security suites installed that are taking a "maximum lockdown" approach, etc.

I've virtually never failed to get a site to work on any browser when it's working on a bunch of others if I'm willing to put in the time and effort to figure out what element it is that's causing the snafu.  I will admit that I seldom do that, as this situation is infrequent and if I can't get something to work on Firefox or Chrome I just punt to IE11 or Edge for that site.  My health insurance with Anthem Blue Cross falls under that category.  If I want to be able to freely access all the site features I have to use either IE11 or Edge, both of which are completely free of any add-ons, toolbars, etc. 
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: PayPal seems to be browser related

Arlene
 

Well, it's best to have more then one browser on your system. I do. My online banking does not work with IE. Neither does paypal. I use firefox for those things.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clare Page
Sent: July-13-16 2:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] PayPal seems to be browser related

Hi!
Interesting that you have so much trouble with Firefox, both for using PayPal and for authorizing Twitter clients! I made a payment with PayPal last week using Firefox 47.0 and had no problems at all. I had to re-authorise TWBlue relatively recently, also using Firefox, I forget which version, and that worked fine too. Firefox is my default browser, and I have never yet had to change the default to IE to do anything. Either I'm lucky not to have problems with Firefox while others do, or there must be some reason why this is happening to you and not to the rest of us, which I can't guess. Hopefully somebody can!
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: mardi 12 juillet 2016 23:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] PayPal seems to be browser related

I just tried using PayPal with Internet Explorer 11 and it worked!
Don't know if something was changed in Firefox or if PayPal has just added itself to an ever increasing number of web sites that just don't work correctly with Firefox. These sites are usually ones dealing with money--either sending, donating, or buying something online. Also I've noticed that none of the Twitter clients like TW Blue or Chicken Nugget can be authorized with Twitter unless I set my default browser to IE.
So for now, I'll just use IE when doing anything with PayPal and hope it keeps working as it should.


Roger


Re: Problems with browse mode

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

What does the actual voice say. Are you sure you are actually in browse mode. sounds like what I get if a dialogue or alert has a picture of text in it, not text as we know it.
Brian

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From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 6:12 PM
Subject: [nvda] Problems with browse mode


I am using Braille. When I switch to browse mode with nvda+space I can
only see one line of the document. If I tether Braille to the review
cursor I get Top and Bottom when I press the numpad 7 and 9 keys. What
am I
doing wrong?

thanks,
John

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Re: The Paypal form..

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

Well, when I do it I use my currently registered card which comes up with the last four digits of the choice and I simply agree to use it create a new association or exit.

My guess is that for some reason one of the fields is not being filled in correctly, and since its probably hidden by the time you get to see the screen, its hard to figure it out. Normally certificate mismatches or scripts that the anti virus does not like have error messages one can hear so know where to start to look for the issue. To me nothing has change in recent months apart from some combo boxes being easier to use and predictable.
Its very hard from this end to diagnose what might be going on here.
I am also sure that the local area where you are has a telephone number, most do, I rang through and got a very nice Irish lady a year or so back when it kept rejecting my card details, and it turned out to be a fault in their system and was fixed almost immediately.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The Paypal form..


Nope, has nothing to do with my card. I just got a new one last February and immediately activated it. Further, I've sent payments to this person several other times with the new card, although I use from my bank balance when doing this, and everything has gone smoothly until just a couple days ago. Nothing has changed on this end--it was a sudden change on PayPal's site. I emailed them, but just got back an auto robot reply based on the subject of my message--no person ever read it and the suggestions given in the reply message have nothing to do with my real problem so I don't know where to go from here.

Roger










On 7/12/2016 4:14 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Maybe and its far from my thoughts to suggest you might have let it laps, but perhaps the card you specified is no longer valid, but it should then suggest you set up a payment method instead. I just cannot see where the problem is as it seems to be well protected against silly entries and normally suggests a course of action to you if it goes wrong
It might be something really daft like the currency is not allowed to be transferred in that country or something. Here in the UK its a bit hard to judge as everything defaults and it even gives you the exchange rate.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The Paypal form..


I'd very much appreciate this. I just tried to send money to my friend
again this morning and I get the same problem. Everything seems normal
until after I've filled in the amount I want to send and type in a brief
message. Next thing I tab to is a link saying please choose a payment
method. It used to bring up a screen with the choices of my bank account
or my Visa card. Now all that happens when I choose this link is Firefox
makes a familiar click and I'm right back with the amount reset to zero
and my message to my friend deleted out. I just tried this several
times this morning, and the behavior is totally circular--that is it's
just stuck in an endless loop and I never get to chose a payment method
or get to the page where it just says send money now. I did send a
message similar to this to PayPal and will see what they may have to say
about it. Something has obviously changed on their page setup and nvda
isn't catching it for me.

Thanks.

Roger







On 7/11/2016 12:16 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
Hmmm, I could probably get you a tutorial sometime this week. I have
a support call this afternoon and my windows virtual machine is being
a huge brat lately. If no one gets to it before I do though, I'll put
something up.

If NVDA doesn't have a spot for hosting such things I can do it from
my new site.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
Visit the out of work bum for your chance to win one of 10 KNFB Reader
or Nearby Explorer for IOS or android!
http://www.theoutofworkbum.work
Also check out my website for inclusion to the android platform for
persons with sensery, physical or cognitive disabilities:
http://www.inclusiveandroid.com

On Jul 11, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Roger Stewart <paganus2@gmail.com
<mailto:paganus2@gmail.com>> wrote:

If there were any errors, nvda didn't report any. There may be
something but if the screen reader can't see it then neither can I.
I am using the latest stable nvda--2016.2.1

Roger









On 7/11/2016 9:43 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
Roger, It sounds as if you have the ideal setup for what you want
to do. Well that's the good news. The bad news is it makes it
harder for us to diagnose. I think we've exhausted any
compatibility issues although if for some reason you're not running
the latest NVDA, you might want to hit the update button.

Then we have to get into making sure you have a valid payment method
on file, and looking at other things behind the scenes.

When something goes wrong, paypal has gotten decent at letting you
know. Near the top of the page there is usually a signpost that
tells you if there are errors. If you see one of those it would be
helpful if you sent us the text of the error.

Thanks,

Erik Burggraaf
Visit the out of work bum for your chance to win one of 10 KNFB
Reader or Nearby Explorer for IOS or android!
http://www.theoutofworkbum.work <http://www.theoutofworkbum.work/>;
Also check out my website for inclusion to the android platform for
persons with sensery, physical or cognitive disabilities:
http://www.inclusiveandroid.com <http://www.inclusiveandroid.com/>;

On Jul 11, 2016, at 7:17 AM, Roger Stewart <paganus2@gmail.com
<mailto:paganus2@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'm using Firefox and it is set as my default browser.

Roger









On 7/11/2016 7:50 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
I don't remember Roger telling us what browser he's using but I
feel I have to agree with Brian here this seems like a browser
issue to me I was able to do the donation successfully using
Google Chrome and voice over on the Mac and yes the boxes did come
up as invalid until I finish typing in them. It would definitely
be worth your while trying Firefox if you haven't already if you
have tried Firefox and the same thing happens please let us know I
think switching browsers is a lot more convenient than having
several screen reader is on a machine or soliciting cited
assistance useful as that can be sometimes

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On July 11, 2016 6:39:12 AM "Brian's Mail list account"
<bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

I can say that using Firefox 46
The form works as it always did.
I just donated 30 aus and OK the invalid input did come up as
typing into
the boxes, but I suspect this is an artifact that until you
finish it is
indeed wrong.
As usual had several goes at remembering the caps and lower case
in the
password, and it eventually accepted it and sent me through when
I clicked
the button or link for doing the donation.
My feeling here is that this is a browser issue if you cannot get
it to
work, always try another browser. I did mention that the IE
current updat is
a bit broken as far as some accessibility is concerned, but its
very very
spcific it seems as most of the time its fine.
Brian

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mail notifications in Thunderbird

 

Is there a way to adjust these notifications? It doesn't just read the
message that came in, but, it reads messages that have come, and have
been deleted form the inbox.


While I"m at it, is there a way to have Thunderbird stay in the system
tray, and not opened and in the way?


Re: PayPal seems to be browser related

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

I'd go along with that, but it does highlight that many sites are not sufficiently tested, which I imagine causes all sorts of users problems.
I've recently been # from google drive links nowt seeming to have any download link or button on Ie or firefox. Luckily people can use dropbox, but some use myspace and that has a custom downloader that seems to be totally inaccessible.
Who was it who said as one door closes another slams in your face? :-)

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 3:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] PayPal seems to be browser related


On 7/12/2016 8:16 PM, Gene wrote, in part: "*every demanding blind
Internet user should have at least two browsers on their machine.*"


Gene is correct; every internet user should have at least two browsers
on their machine, and know how to use both at a basic level. Issues
between specific websites and individual web browsers have been on the
rise for years. Since you will never avoid it entirely, knowing how to
use two or more web browsers is often the difference between success or
failure, and that's whether you're blind or not.

I've got four: Firefox (primary), Chrome (very close secondary), Edge
(distant third), IE11 (fourth, not far behind Edge).

If you use add-ons or extensions that are ad blockers or privacy focused
like HTTPS Everywhere, Ghostery, No Script, or the like it's really
important to have one browser that does not have any of these
installed. There are times when it's an add-on or extension that is
causing issues, and unless you know how to start your favored browser
with add-ons/extensions disabled or want to try disabling these
one-by-one, having a "naked" browser is a really easy way to avoid
getting stuck when you have no time to be stuck.

Brian