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Re: NVDA 2016.2: Unable to find 'Play sound for spelling errors while typing' option

Robert Mendoza
 

yes, you are correct it has to be change from the notes for the "what's new", i would assume it should be replace with "Play sound for spelling errors while typing". And, also I would like to make additional note that the access keys for nvda plus C was the same as with the keystroke for reviewing the text that was in the clipboard. But, I would suggest if this will be created a two different ticket

Robert Mendoza
On 5/26/2016 12:58 PM, Bhavya shah wrote:

Dear all,
As noted in the What's New document of NVDA version 2016.2 RC 1, there
has been introduced an auditory indication for spelling errors in edit
controls.
However, I am not only unable to experience this functionality by
typing nonsensical pieces of characters as words in Firefox edit
fields and a Word document, but also am unable to locate the
corresponding option named 'Play sound for spelling errors while
typing' which supposedly should have been in NVDA's Keyboard Settings
dialog, though I did skim through several other NVDA Preferences
dialogs for the same too without success.
Please reply and let me know if others can confirm this or not, in
which case I (or others) may file a ticket for the same.



Re: Moving over to/focusing on web-page contents after having loaded a page in google chrome

Jacob Kruger
 

It's now also showing up 50.0 canary, etc., but anyway - will keep on playing around with it a bit.
 
Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----
Sent: 26 May, 2016 5:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Moving over to/focusing on web-page contents after having loaded a page in google chrome

Hi Jacob


My version of google has updated I think it is now 50 what you are saying is happening even when you go to do a search, it seems to go into a loop and will not focus on the content of the page. it looks as though this version is broken and even with a stable and master snapshot.


Gene nz



On 26/05/2016 12:24 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:
The problem is that I will, for example, open a new tab, or focus on address entry field, type in an address, and hit enter, and while window title tells me page has finished loading,tabbing around, using combinations of F6, shift+F6, etc. etc. don't ever focus on page's actual contents.
 
At times, however, focus will automatically have switched over to page contents, and, if I load a page from a bookmark, it also seems to do that pretty much every time.
 
Like said, biggest issue is inconsistency - as in, want to search for something, and would, honestly be quicker to just type in address for google.com rather than look for it in bookmarks, or else, I copy an address from an e-mail, or text file, and want to jut paste it into the address bar, but, then can't seem to get it to focus on the page contents.
 
This is on a windows 10 64 bit machine, using NVDA 2016.1, but, not sure either of those are relevant.
 
Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: 26 May, 2016 2:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Moving over to/focusing on web-page contents after having loaded a page in google chrome

I'm not sure what you are describing.  When I use Chrome, which I don't use for regular browsing, Often all I see is the title bar with the name of the web page.  I may be able to get the page to display by opening and then closing a new tab.  I may have to completely reload the page.  I'm not sure if that is the problem you are describing.  I don't know how many people have this problem.  But I do and it is one reason I wouldn't consider using Chrome as my main browser. 
 
Other reasons are how many things display as a web page.  It is far more convenient to have such things display as lists or dialogs.  Even Firefox, which has made things in the options dialog function like a web page, still has the items organized as lists you can arrow down. 
Also, it appears to me that lots of menu items don't have shortcuts as has been standard in Windows programs for years.  I haven't found a short cut combination for something as important as book marks.  And I've seen other menu items with no short cuts.  This sort of thing after all these years of Google working on making chrome accessible are singularly unimpressive.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
GeneFrom: Jacob Kruger
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 6:46 PM
Subject: [nvda] Moving over to/focusing on web-page contents after having loaded a page in google chrome

While in things like IE, and firefox, you could generally jump to/focus on actual webpage content using something like tab, or shift + tab keystrokes, or else ctrl + F6, it seems like chrome is somewhat inconsistent in that after I type a URL into it's address bar, at times, I can't too easily get NVDA to then actually switch over to interacting with the actual web page contents?
 
Is there some standard method/means to get this to happen that I'm missing, due to being too used to other browsers?
 
Ask since am sort of considering switching over to chrome as my primary web-browser, but, if this inconsistency carries on, then it's a no-go, since it's quite irritating...LOL!
 
TIA

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

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Re: NVDA 2016.2 release candidate 1 is out, an audio tutorial on what's new in 2016.2 posted #NVAccess

kavein thran
 

hi joseph, thanks for your tutorial. I should say that it's very
wellcoming what's new for nvda. Hope to have more what's new from you
as it's really nice to listen to new content before really using it.

On 5/26/16, Aravind R <aravind.andhrabank@...> wrote:
it is working in firefox also.
thank you joseph sir for audio tutorial.
still, i couldn't understand how to make NVDA announce grammar mistake.

On 5/26/16, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi,

I’ve seen this appear in Outlook, certain IE edit fields and what not.

Cheers,

joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mr.
Wong
Chi Wai, William
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 11:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.2 release candidate 1 is out, an audio
tutorial on what's new in 2016.2 posted #NVAccess



joseph, once again thanks for you detail demonstration.
I am not sure if I get it wrong or not, is the spelling error sound is
only
functioning in MS Office Word? Or it is functioning as long as office
word
is installed and typing else where do have the sound effect?
Thanks.

Joseph Lee 於 26/5/2016 12:41 寫道:



Hi everyone,



Yes, indeed the RC1 is out. Featuring spelling error sounds, recognition
of
grammar errors and more, there’s something for everyone in this update.

The post from NV access can be found at:

http://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2016-2rc1-released/

Note: This is a release candidate. If everything goes as planned, the
official version will be out by next week.

Also, an audio tutorial on what’s new in NVDA 2016.2 has been posted. The
direct link is:

http://www.nvda-kr.org/files/NVDA%202016.2.mp3



Note that this might be last What’s New tutorial (unless people say I
should
continue to produce these). Enjoy.

Cheers,

joseph






--
nothing is difficult unless you make it appear so.

r. aravind,

Assistant manager
Department of sales
bank of baroda retail loan factory, Chennai.
mobile no: +91 9940369593, 9710945613.
email id : aravind_069@..., aravind.andhrabank@....




Re: can anyone get English out of this file?

Mallard
 

Hello Governor,


I opened the file with Qread, and it reads it perfectly.


The problem is probably the fonts that ahve been used, or the type of encoding.


Would you like me to send you the extracted text, either as an attachment off-list, or as a dropbox link?


Ciao,

Ollie

Il 25/05/2016 22:55, Governor staten ha scritto:
I'll put a link to the file. When I open it, for some reason, all I see
is symbols, nothing resembling English. Can anyone help me troubleshoot
this one? I'm using Adobe Acrobat DC. I tried to open it in Balabolka,
and I saw the symbols again. If I"m missing something really obvious,
let me know that too. Also, nothing like this has ever happened with
files from this same author before.


The link is below:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3787427/Essene%20Definition.pdf




Re: NVDA 2016.2 release candidate 1 is out, an audio tutorial on what's new in 2016.2 posted #NVAccess

Aravind R
 

it is working in firefox also.
thank you joseph sir for audio tutorial.
still, i couldn't understand how to make NVDA announce grammar mistake.

On 5/26/16, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi,

I’ve seen this appear in Outlook, certain IE edit fields and what not.

Cheers,

joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mr. Wong
Chi Wai, William
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 11:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.2 release candidate 1 is out, an audio
tutorial on what's new in 2016.2 posted #NVAccess



joseph, once again thanks for you detail demonstration.
I am not sure if I get it wrong or not, is the spelling error sound is only
functioning in MS Office Word? Or it is functioning as long as office word
is installed and typing else where do have the sound effect?
Thanks.

Joseph Lee 於 26/5/2016 12:41 寫道:



Hi everyone,



Yes, indeed the RC1 is out. Featuring spelling error sounds, recognition of
grammar errors and more, there’s something for everyone in this update.

The post from NV access can be found at:

http://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2016-2rc1-released/

Note: This is a release candidate. If everything goes as planned, the
official version will be out by next week.

Also, an audio tutorial on what’s new in NVDA 2016.2 has been posted. The
direct link is:

http://www.nvda-kr.org/files/NVDA%202016.2.mp3



Note that this might be last What’s New tutorial (unless people say I should
continue to produce these). Enjoy.

Cheers,

joseph





--
nothing is difficult unless you make it appear so.

r. aravind,

Assistant manager
Department of sales
bank of baroda retail loan factory, Chennai.
mobile no: +91 9940369593, 9710945613.
email id : aravind_069@..., aravind.andhrabank@....


Re: NVDA 2016.2: Thoughts on Formatting information dialog

Aravind R
 

spelling error sound works for me.
we have to check on announce spelling errors available in documents
settings. then in keyboard setting, the play sounds for spelling
errors while typing option is coming which we can enable or disable as
per our choice then, it works in word document while typing.

On 5/26/16, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:
Hi Quentin,
Completely understandable. Thanks a ton for the clarifications.
Thanks.

On 5/26/16, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Hi Bhavya,

When you press NVDA+F twice, the dialog opens in Browse mode. As long as
you have "Automatic say all on page load" checked in the Browse mode
settings screen (NVDA+control+b to jump there) then it will start reading
as soon as the dialog loads, hence when it finishes reading the contents
of
the dialog, the focus will be at the end of the dialog.

With regard to the double announcing of "formatting", I spoke with Jamie
and he confirmed this isn't the most desirable, but is actually one of
those bugs that is trickier to fix than it at first seems, but he is
aware
of it.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 3:25 PM, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...>
wrote:

Dear all,
I acknowledge this to be a potentially subjective opinion and
consequently request, but initiating a discussion about the same all
the same, in order to gather more user feedback about this feature.
In NVDA version 2016.2 RC 1, you can now press NVDA + F twice in quick
succession to be presented formatting information for the
corresponding text in the form of a navigable dialog.
The two concerns I have here, which are quite trivial, but still
somewhat necessaryare as follows:
When NVDA + F is pressed twice in quick succession -
* NVDA reads all the text of that dialog, i.e. the formatting
information, and then when the user navigates the dialog, he finds
himself at the end of the dialog, and has to up arrow instead of the
usual down arrowing to explore information.
* NVDA says 'formatting' twice, with a pause, which may result in a
momentary delay, as opposed to saying it only once to announce the
opening of the dialog.
Note: I am testing this with Microsoft Office Word 2010, and this, and
my previous observation, both are based on a Windows 8.1 system.
In case these issues are considered more or less important by other
testers than me, and if it is easy enough for developers to speedily
implement and fix, I (or others) may file a ticket for the same.
Thanks.

--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09




--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Ph +61 7 3149 3306
Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess

--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09



--
nothing is difficult unless you make it appear so.

r. aravind,

Assistant manager
Department of sales
bank of baroda retail loan factory, Chennai.
mobile no: +91 9940369593, 9710945613.
email id : aravind_069@..., aravind.andhrabank@....


Re: NVDA 2016.2: Thoughts on Formatting information dialog

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Quentin,
Completely understandable. Thanks a ton for the clarifications.
Thanks.

On 5/26/16, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Hi Bhavya,

When you press NVDA+F twice, the dialog opens in Browse mode. As long as
you have "Automatic say all on page load" checked in the Browse mode
settings screen (NVDA+control+b to jump there) then it will start reading
as soon as the dialog loads, hence when it finishes reading the contents of
the dialog, the focus will be at the end of the dialog.

With regard to the double announcing of "formatting", I spoke with Jamie
and he confirmed this isn't the most desirable, but is actually one of
those bugs that is trickier to fix than it at first seems, but he is aware
of it.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 3:25 PM, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...>
wrote:

Dear all,
I acknowledge this to be a potentially subjective opinion and
consequently request, but initiating a discussion about the same all
the same, in order to gather more user feedback about this feature.
In NVDA version 2016.2 RC 1, you can now press NVDA + F twice in quick
succession to be presented formatting information for the
corresponding text in the form of a navigable dialog.
The two concerns I have here, which are quite trivial, but still
somewhat necessaryare as follows:
When NVDA + F is pressed twice in quick succession -
* NVDA reads all the text of that dialog, i.e. the formatting
information, and then when the user navigates the dialog, he finds
himself at the end of the dialog, and has to up arrow instead of the
usual down arrowing to explore information.
* NVDA says 'formatting' twice, with a pause, which may result in a
momentary delay, as opposed to saying it only once to announce the
opening of the dialog.
Note: I am testing this with Microsoft Office Word 2010, and this, and
my previous observation, both are based on a Windows 8.1 system.
In case these issues are considered more or less important by other
testers than me, and if it is easy enough for developers to speedily
implement and fix, I (or others) may file a ticket for the same.
Thanks.

--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09




--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Ph +61 7 3149 3306
Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess
--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09


Re: NVDA 2016.2 release candidate 1 is out, an audio tutorial on what's new in 2016.2 posted #NVAccess

 

Hi,

I’ve seen this appear in Outlook, certain IE edit fields and what not.

Cheers,

joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 11:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.2 release candidate 1 is out, an audio tutorial on what's new in 2016.2 posted #NVAccess

 

joseph, once again thanks for you detail demonstration.
I am not sure if I get it wrong or not, is the spelling error sound is only functioning in MS Office Word? Or it is functioning as long as office word is installed and typing else where do have the sound effect?
Thanks.
 
Joseph Lee 26/5/2016 12:41 寫道:

Hi everyone,

 

Yes, indeed the RC1 is out. Featuring spelling error sounds, recognition of grammar errors and more, there’s something for everyone in this update.

The post from NV access can be found at:

http://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2016-2rc1-released/

Note: This is a release candidate. If everything goes as planned, the official version will be out by next week.

Also, an audio tutorial on what’s new in NVDA 2016.2 has been posted. The direct link is:

http://www.nvda-kr.org/files/NVDA%202016.2.mp3

 

Note that this might be last What’s New tutorial (unless people say I should continue to produce these). Enjoy.

Cheers,

joseph

 


Re: NVDA 2016.2: Thoughts on Formatting information dialog

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Bhavya,

When you press NVDA+F twice, the dialog opens in Browse mode.  As long as you have "Automatic say all on page load" checked in the Browse mode settings screen (NVDA+control+b to jump there) then it will start reading as soon as the dialog loads, hence when it finishes reading the contents of the dialog, the focus will be at the end of the dialog.

With regard to the double announcing of "formatting", I spoke with Jamie and he confirmed this isn't the most desirable, but is actually one of those bugs that is trickier to fix than it at first seems, but he is aware of it.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 3:25 PM, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:
Dear all,
I acknowledge this to be a potentially subjective opinion and
consequently request, but initiating a discussion about the same all
the same, in order to gather more user feedback about this feature.
In NVDA version 2016.2 RC 1, you can now press NVDA + F twice in quick
succession to be presented formatting information for the
corresponding text in the form of a navigable dialog.
The two concerns I have here, which are quite trivial, but still
somewhat necessaryare as follows:
When NVDA + F is pressed twice in quick succession -
* NVDA reads all the text of that dialog, i.e. the formatting
information, and then when the user navigates the dialog, he finds
himself at the end of the dialog, and has to up arrow instead of the
usual down arrowing to explore information.
* NVDA says 'formatting' twice, with a pause, which may result in a
momentary delay, as opposed to saying it only once to announce the
opening of the dialog.
Note: I am testing this with Microsoft Office Word 2010, and this, and
my previous observation, both are based on a Windows 8.1 system.
In case these issues are considered more or less important by other
testers than me, and if it is easy enough for developers to speedily
implement and fix, I (or others) may file a ticket for the same.
Thanks.

--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09






--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 
Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Lenron
 

yeah can say give them a brake all you like but I won't it's not like
Itunes has just now started having issues. They have just gotten
worse.

On 5/26/16, Christopher-Mark Gilland <@AHeart4God316> wrote:
I dono that would work, Arlene. Have you ever tried? I know that when
ITunes is installed, it puts things in the registry that correspond to the
initial folder it was installed to, so if you tried doing that by installing

to another folder, then those registry entries would fight back and forth.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

@AHeart4God316
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119


You can instal the updated version of ITunes. But run it in a different
folder. If you find it doesn't work for you. Then go back to the old
version
after you uninstalled the new version.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Shook
Sent: May-25-16 5:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

I think you are right about not being able to go back once you've
upgraded, but to the best of my knoledge, you can put off the upgrade
as long as you like.








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Re: NVDA 2016.2 release candidate 1 is out, an audio tutorial on what's new in 2016.2 posted #NVAccess

Mr. Wong Chi Wai <cwwong.pro@...>
 

joseph, once again thanks for you detail demonstration.
I am not sure if I get it wrong or not, is the spelling error sound is only functioning in MS Office Word? Or it is functioning as long as office word is installed and typing else where do have the sound effect?
Thanks.
 
Joseph Lee 於 26/5/2016 12:41 寫道:

Hi everyone,

 

Yes, indeed the RC1 is out. Featuring spelling error sounds, recognition of grammar errors and more, there’s something for everyone in this update.

The post from NV access can be found at:

http://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2016-2rc1-released/

Note: This is a release candidate. If everything goes as planned, the official version will be out by next week.

Also, an audio tutorial on what’s new in NVDA 2016.2 has been posted. The direct link is:

http://www.nvda-kr.org/files/NVDA%202016.2.mp3

 

Note that this might be last What’s New tutorial (unless people say I should continue to produce these). Enjoy.

Cheers,

joseph



Re: NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

I dono that would work, Arlene. Have you ever tried? I know that when ITunes is installed, it puts things in the registry that correspond to the initial folder it was installed to, so if you tried doing that by installing to another folder, then those registry entries would fight back and forth.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

@AHeart4God316
Phone: (704) 256-8010.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119


You can instal the updated version of ITunes. But run it in a different
folder. If you find it doesn't work for you. Then go back to the old version
after you uninstalled the new version.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Shook
Sent: May-25-16 5:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

I think you are right about not being able to go back once you've
upgraded, but to the best of my knoledge, you can put off the upgrade
as long as you like.





Re: NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

You can go back. I've done it before. Just keep an old installer on hand. Once installed, tell it not to update, then set your preferences to not check again.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

@AHeart4God316
Phone: (704) 256-8010.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Shook" <chris0309@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119


I think you are right about not being able to go back once you've upgraded, but to the best of my knoledge, you can put off the upgrade as long as you like.


Re: NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

And that is why your library is kept in ICloud.  that way you can get it back if needed into the correct format.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.
 
clgilland07@...
Phone: (704) 256-8010.

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

It can be done but you will lose your library as the libarary file is not compatible with the older version of itunes
 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 25 May 2016 22:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Does it force an upgrade after a time?  I suspect that once you upgrade, you can't go back, though I don't know that.  If that is the case, I would say that upgrading should be done by those who want to try new things, not by those who want reliability and dependability.  Of course, people could upgrade on one machine and keep their main machine as it is until evaluating the upgrade. 
Gene
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

iTunes usually gives you an option whether to update or not.



Re: NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

No, it doesn't forcve you.  If you have an old installer, you always can go back.  Well, I don't have an old installer.  Well, that's kind a not exactly my problem.  That's why you back those things up.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Does it force an upgrade after a time?  I suspect that once you upgrade, you can't go back, though I don't know that.  If that is the case, I would say that upgrading should be done by those who want to try new things, not by those who want reliability and dependability.  Of course, people could upgrade on one machine and keep their main machine as it is until evaluating the upgrade. 
Gene
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

iTunes usually gives you an option whether to update or not.



Re: NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

It does, yes, but you even can go so far as to turn checking of updates off altogether. See my last post to the list.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Shook" <chris0309@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119


iTunes usually gives you an option whether to update or not.


Re: NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Yes, you can tell ITunes not to auto update.  Hit ctrl+comma while in the app to open the preferences.  I'm pretty sure the option you want is either on the general, or the Advanced tab.  I'm thinking the ladder.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

I'm not sure if that's true.  I've seen references to third party utilities that allow you to transfer material without using ITunes.  I don't know what their limitations may be but some people may know about them and about their accessibility.  Also, canyou cause ITunes not to upgrade automatically?  If so, it would probably be a good idea to wait when a new update comes out to see what people have to say about it.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Yeah that's all very well but if you want to transfer your own music for
example onto your apple device you don't have much of a choice but to use
itunes
So what do those people do?
 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: 25 May 2016 18:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Probably me. I just said, ITunes is not for everybody! Yes, you can use it
if you like the challenge and can manage it!  Then use it. If you cant
manage it and find you can't use it in your windows box. Then just uninstall
it and be done with it.  You can say to the list it just didn't work for me
but if it works for you. All the world to you!  

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Shook
Sent: May-24-16 10:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Which message are you responding to?









Re: NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

There's a program back in the days I used called Anapod Explorer, that worked on Windows, but that was like, 2004 when I used it, so, for all I know, that thing might be, and probably is, long! long since dead.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119


I'm sure it can be done. Now there is a program fro Windows called iDevice Manager. I don't know how well it works with JAWS or NVDA or WINEyes. I'm sure Aple is on it as far as iTunes. As my wife likes to say quit your bitchen! Sheesh.


On 5/25/2016 1:20 PM, Chris wrote:
Yeah that's all very well but if you want to transfer your own music for
example onto your apple device you don't have much of a choice but to use
itunes
So what do those people do?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: 25 May 2016 18:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Probably me. I just said, ITunes is not for everybody! Yes, you can use it
if you like the challenge and can manage it! Then use it. If you cant
manage it and find you can't use it in your windows box. Then just uninstall
it and be done with it. You can say to the list it just didn't work for me
but if it works for you. All the world to you!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Shook
Sent: May-24-16 10:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Which message are you responding to?









NVDA 2016.2: Thoughts on Formatting information dialog

Bhavya shah
 

Dear all,
I acknowledge this to be a potentially subjective opinion and
consequently request, but initiating a discussion about the same all
the same, in order to gather more user feedback about this feature.
In NVDA version 2016.2 RC 1, you can now press NVDA + F twice in quick
succession to be presented formatting information for the
corresponding text in the form of a navigable dialog.
The two concerns I have here, which are quite trivial, but still
somewhat necessaryare as follows:
When NVDA + F is pressed twice in quick succession -
* NVDA reads all the text of that dialog, i.e. the formatting
information, and then when the user navigates the dialog, he finds
himself at the end of the dialog, and has to up arrow instead of the
usual down arrowing to explore information.
* NVDA says 'formatting' twice, with a pause, which may result in a
momentary delay, as opposed to saying it only once to announce the
opening of the dialog.
Note: I am testing this with Microsoft Office Word 2010, and this, and
my previous observation, both are based on a Windows 8.1 system.
In case these issues are considered more or less important by other
testers than me, and if it is easy enough for developers to speedily
implement and fix, I (or others) may file a ticket for the same.
Thanks.

--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
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reader for Microsoft Windows
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http://www.nvaccess.org/
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Reach me through the following means:
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Re: NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Stephen
 

and who could forget the time when apple wouldn't allow that game for i-devices in their app store because it didn't have enough on-screen content.

At 07:51 PM 5/25/2016, you wrote:
No, I won't give them a break.  the only message from Apple sent to the list is a stock general message they send for lots of inquiries.  It's obvious.  The name of the program is never mentioned and it is a general message.  Did you get a different one?  They may be working on the problem but how quickly and seriously?  Was this message sent out because they actually are or is it sent out by a staff member who deals with complaints as a standard response? 
 
If you want to defend Apple, that's your right.  But why?  It's glaringly obvious that if Apple had given proper attention to accessibility, these obvious problems would have been solved long before this version reached release.  I won't give them a break.  I've seen complaints about accessibility in ITunes when new releases have come out before.  Apple claims to take accessibility seriously.  That means checking products during development, not after people report obvious problems after release. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Guys, give them a break for Christ sake!  They said they were working on it,
did they not?

If you don't believe them, then, ok, fine, whatever, but you don't have to
publicly rub it in their faces!  That's incredibly disrespectful!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen" < whocrazy@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119


> Sounds like a classic autoresponse script to me.
> At 12:22 AM 5/25/2016, you wrote:
>>Hi all,
>>I received an email from apple. I am going to post it below this message.
>>Thanks to Christopher for posting the email address for Apple
>>accessibility.
>>Chris
>>
>>Subject:
>>Re: newest version of iTunes.; Follow-up: 641443370
>>Hello,
>>Thank you for your email. We appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you
>>know that Apple is currently investigating this issue. We cannot comment
>>on when it may be resolved.
>>Apple Accessibility
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