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Re: NVDA and Open Office

 

i realy love nvda and opensource programs.
but i wish that can use say all in using libreoffice with nvda.
do you have a solution for this?

On 12/8/16, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io
<wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hi, Gene,


I am aware of the F6 and ALT+TAB keys to solve some annoyances" of
LibreOffice with NVDA, but it is not the case here. My problems arise
when I want to browse large documents using the same keystrokes I use in
HTML (H for titles work in MS Word!). The F6 is a shortcut to move
between the "structure" of the application and is not related to the
NVDA command NVDA+SPACE used to toggle between browse and edit modes,
and this is really what I want to do.

Additionally, when NVDA "freezes" with LibreOffice, using ALT+TAB will
only show me that other applications are being read normally and only
LibreOffice are stopping NVDA.

What I call "annoyances" are a series of compatibility problems between
LibreOffice and NVDA. In various messages I listed only some of them,
but as I work with very complex spreadsheets, they slow down my work.

I like LibreOffice and also like NVDA and feel very disapointed when I
have so many "annoyances" using both together.

As these are open source software, I think the developers should make
all efforts to solve the compatibility problems.



Em 07/12/2016 10:31, The Gamages escreveu:
Hello,

I can't speak for Open office or the calc spreadsheet in Libre office,
but to get over the problem of documents in writer becoming uneditable
you can press the F6 function key followed by escape, pressing Alt tab
a few times wil bring you back to an editable document as well.



Best Regards, Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 10:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Open Office

Hi,


In my experience, both OpenOffice and LibreOffice are, to say the least,
problematic with NVDA.

The most annoying behavior es when NVDA suddenly stops. If you press
ALT+TAB, other open applications continue to be read by NVDA, only
office is muted. I tried many things, like pressing F2 to enter and exit
edit mode (in spreadsheets), but the only way to solve the problem is
reinitialize NVDA.

In many spreadsheets, to make NVDA announce the cells contents after
you open the file is only accomplished by first pressing F2 two times to
enter and exit edit mode.

In Writer, the NVDA+SPACE don't work at all.

In more slow computers, the problems are worsened. In a very complex
spreadsheet, Calc even stops responding for many minutes.
Other annoyance in Calc is the way NVDA reads the results: even if you
configure the cells to 2 or 3 decimal places, the whole number is
announced.
I noted also that NVDA has problems to read only the contents of each
cell: it keeps reading the contents of the formula toolbar and one has
to continually press arrows to move focus and force NVDA to read the
contents.
As I can't afford MS Office, I am still struggling with Calc.
Unfortunately, in each new release of NVDA there are many improvements
related to MS Office but none related to OpenOffice or LibreOffice.
So, if you can, use MS Office, or, if you have a lot of patience, use
LibreOfice.


Em 06/12/2016 12:41, Robert Kingett escreveu:
It works well even if you do not have Java installed. It is more
accessible than Libreoffice but Libreoffice is a better program in
every other way.










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Outlook notes

Sakina
 

Hello Gene,

Yes please I will look forward   to the short cut notes if you can find them on Outlook 2010 and 2013

Every little will help me.

Thank you so much again.

With many regards

Sakina

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Monday, December 5, 2016 7:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thank you and another problem

 

Hi Sakina

 

sorry i can not help you there as now i only use thunderbird.

 

I would have to look but i am pretty sure i have the shortcuts for outlook maybe 2010 or 2013. They might help you if you want them.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 6/12/2016 7:07 AM, Sakina wrote:

Hello Gene,

It is Outlook.

Thank you Sakina

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 6:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thank you and another problem

 

Hi

 

In which program?

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 5/12/2016 12:19 AM, Sakina wrote:

Thank you so much Gene for your prompt help. Thank you again very much.

Please Gene, I have another problem.

I do not know how to add, delete or organise my contact list or is it called address book.

Sorry for being ignorant.

I just rely on someone to send me an email first.

I hope you can help. And thank you for guiding me to the look back to all the older options.

With many regards

Sakina

 

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 7:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] something I discovered when going through the what's new option

 

Hi sakina

 

When NVDA is running press the nvda key + the letter N.\

 

Next arrow down to help after the preferences menu comes up, then right to where the user manual is.

next arrow down to the whats new section then press the enter key and then your browser will come up with all the info since the first version as in what has been done, bug fixes and so on.

 

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 4/12/2016 6:27 AM, Sakina wrote:

Hello Chris,

Would it be possible for you to  share this new discovery option  link as I am fairly new user and would like to look back for learning too.

Thanking you very much

sakina

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Judd
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 6:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] something I discovered when going through the what's new option

 

Hi all,

 

I was going through the what’s new option for the latest release of NVDA, and I found that all the previous release notes are there all the way back till 0.5.

It is nice to read all the accomplishments that NVDA has made over the years, and since I’m a fairly new user, I’m glad that it is there, so I can take a look, and see what the early versions were like.

Just thought I would share what I discovered.

Chris

 

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Re: NVDA and Open Office

Walmir Schultz <wsautodidata@...>
 

Hi, Gene,


I am aware of the F6 and ALT+TAB keys to solve some annoyances" of LibreOffice with NVDA, but it is not the case here. My problems arise when I want to browse large documents using the same keystrokes I use in HTML (H for titles work in MS Word!). The F6 is a shortcut to move between the "structure" of the application and is not related to the NVDA command NVDA+SPACE used to toggle between browse and edit modes, and this is really what I want to do.

Additionally, when NVDA "freezes" with LibreOffice, using ALT+TAB will only show me that other applications are being read normally and only LibreOffice are stopping NVDA.

What I call "annoyances" are a series of compatibility problems between LibreOffice and NVDA. In various messages I listed only some of them, but as I work with very complex spreadsheets, they slow down my work.

I like LibreOffice and also like NVDA and feel very disapointed when I have so many "annoyances" using both together.

As these are open source software, I think the developers should make all efforts to solve the compatibility problems.



Em 07/12/2016 10:31, The Gamages escreveu:

Hello,

I can't speak for Open office or the calc spreadsheet in Libre office,
but to get over the problem of documents in writer becoming uneditable
you can press the F6 function key followed by escape, pressing Alt tab
a few times wil bring you back to an editable document as well.



Best Regards, Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 10:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Open Office

Hi,


In my experience, both OpenOffice and LibreOffice are, to say the least,
problematic with NVDA.

The most annoying behavior es when NVDA suddenly stops. If you press
ALT+TAB, other open applications continue to be read by NVDA, only
office is muted. I tried many things, like pressing F2 to enter and exit
edit mode (in spreadsheets), but the only way to solve the problem is
reinitialize NVDA.

In many spreadsheets, to make NVDA announce the cells contents after
you open the file is only accomplished by first pressing F2 two times to
enter and exit edit mode.

In Writer, the NVDA+SPACE don't work at all.

In more slow computers, the problems are worsened. In a very complex
spreadsheet, Calc even stops responding for many minutes.
Other annoyance in Calc is the way NVDA reads the results: even if you
configure the cells to 2 or 3 decimal places, the whole number is
announced.
I noted also that NVDA has problems to read only the contents of each
cell: it keeps reading the contents of the formula toolbar and one has
to continually press arrows to move focus and force NVDA to read the
contents.
As I can't afford MS Office, I am still struggling with Calc.
Unfortunately, in each new release of NVDA there are many improvements
related to MS Office but none related to OpenOffice or LibreOffice.
So, if you can, use MS Office, or, if you have a lot of patience, use
LibreOfice.


Em 06/12/2016 12:41, Robert Kingett escreveu:
It works well even if you do not have Java installed. It is more
accessible than Libreoffice but Libreoffice is a better program in
every other way.





Re: NVDA repeating itself

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Brian


Yep it is still getting updates a mate installed it yesterday and he had
a huge list of updates it done including for this month.


Gene nz

On 8/12/2016 9:13 PM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
The point is the xp hack works by telling windows update that you have
the embedded version and this still gets updates, or it did until this
month.
Nothing thus far this month but there were about 14 updates last month
so who knows.

Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
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briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA repeating itself


Embedded Windows isn't used in computers in businesses. It's used in
machines like ATM's.

I would think that XP Professional would have been the version of XP
generally used by businesses but that's just my guess.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 5:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA repeating itself


gene,
i use my laptop only at home and i dont work in business to use
supported windows for business!
whats the best version of windows for home users?

On 12/7/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I'll add that embedded XP is a different version of XP, intended for
use in
running business equipment of various kinds. The list members were
correct.
Support for XP, the version of XP you are using, ended in 2014. That's
what you said ended in 2019 and that's what list members responded
to. If
you had said embedded XP, you might have gotten different responses.
Or you
might have gotten some of the same responses and questions about what
you
meant by embedded XP. Most people don't think about embedded XP and
a lot
of people don't know about it.

I'm not making any judgment about whether using updates for Embedded
Windows
in another version of Windows XP will provide effective protection
nor am I
assuming that doing so will possibly impair the operation of
Windows. But I
am pointing out that using these updates may not provide adequate
protection
and that doing so may impair the operation of Windows XP.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 4:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA repeating itself


The version of NVDA you are using now is the final release version
unless
some significant problem is found. The answer, therefore, whatever
happens
in future, is very likely no.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 3:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA repeating itself


when is the time for final nvda 2016.4?
i realy wish to see it very soon and am very excited from some of its
features!
can i use potplayer in this release without any problem?

On 12/7/16, Don H <lmddh50@comcast.net> wrote:
Started with RC1

On 12/6/2016 4:48 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
That could be why mine is working differently. I take it NVDA didn't
keep repeating the current icon before 2016.4rc1?

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Don H <lmddh50@comcast.net
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>> wrote:

I don't require a password to open windows. So when returning
from
sleep I am placed on the desktop.

On 12/6/2016 4:10 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Are you using the lock screen / logging in to your account?

On mine when I just tried exactly what you did (alt+f4 from
the
desktop,
choose sleep, let it go to sleep, close the lid, open the
lid),
it comes
up to the lock screen - although it didn't always announce
anything.
When I logged in, it announced "pane" twice but that was all.
So I got
a couple of little gremlins, but different ones to you.

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Don H <lmddh50@comcast.net
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net <mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>>>
wrote:

Running NVDA RC1 on a Win 10 laptop. When I close the
laptop
I
normally first hit Alt F4 and then select sleep, let it go
to sleep
then shut the lid. When I open the laptop later thus
returning from
sleep NVDA keeps repeating the name of the Icon in focus
over and
over. Is this expected behavior?
As I have already said as a newbee I am quite impressed by
NVDA.






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Training Material Developer
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available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

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<tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
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Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
Direct: +61 413 904 383
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Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries


Re: Google Chrome Browser

 

Hi Chris,

I would also like a copy of your document, as I would like to give Chrome a try once more.


Re: NVDA repeating itself

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

The point is the xp hack works by telling windows update that you have the embedded version and this still gets updates, or it did until this month.
Nothing thus far this month but there were about 14 updates last month so who knows.

Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA repeating itself


Embedded Windows isn't used in computers in businesses. It's used in machines like ATM's.

I would think that XP Professional would have been the version of XP generally used by businesses but that's just my guess.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 5:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA repeating itself


gene,
i use my laptop only at home and i dont work in business to use
supported windows for business!
whats the best version of windows for home users?

On 12/7/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I'll add that embedded XP is a different version of XP, intended for use in
running business equipment of various kinds. The list members were correct.
Support for XP, the version of XP you are using, ended in 2014. That's
what you said ended in 2019 and that's what list members responded to. If
you had said embedded XP, you might have gotten different responses. Or you
might have gotten some of the same responses and questions about what you
meant by embedded XP. Most people don't think about embedded XP and a lot
of people don't know about it.

I'm not making any judgment about whether using updates for Embedded Windows
in another version of Windows XP will provide effective protection nor am I
assuming that doing so will possibly impair the operation of Windows. But I
am pointing out that using these updates may not provide adequate protection
and that doing so may impair the operation of Windows XP.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 4:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA repeating itself


The version of NVDA you are using now is the final release version unless
some significant problem is found. The answer, therefore, whatever happens
in future, is very likely no.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 3:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA repeating itself


when is the time for final nvda 2016.4?
i realy wish to see it very soon and am very excited from some of its
features!
can i use potplayer in this release without any problem?

On 12/7/16, Don H <lmddh50@comcast.net> wrote:
Started with RC1

On 12/6/2016 4:48 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
That could be why mine is working differently. I take it NVDA didn't
keep repeating the current icon before 2016.4rc1?

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Don H <lmddh50@comcast.net
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>> wrote:

I don't require a password to open windows. So when returning from
sleep I am placed on the desktop.

On 12/6/2016 4:10 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Are you using the lock screen / logging in to your account?

On mine when I just tried exactly what you did (alt+f4 from the
desktop,
choose sleep, let it go to sleep, close the lid, open the lid),
it comes
up to the lock screen - although it didn't always announce
anything.
When I logged in, it announced "pane" twice but that was all.
So I got
a couple of little gremlins, but different ones to you.

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Don H <lmddh50@comcast.net
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net <mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>>>
wrote:

Running NVDA RC1 on a Win 10 laptop. When I close the
laptop
I
normally first hit Alt F4 and then select sleep, let it go
to sleep
then shut the lid. When I open the laptop later thus
returning from
sleep NVDA keeps repeating the name of the Icon in focus
over and
over. Is this expected behavior?
As I have already said as a newbee I am quite impressed by
NVDA.






--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
<tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
Direct: +61 413 904 383 <tel:%2B61%20413%20904%20383>
www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
<http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
<http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
Twitter: @NVAccess







--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess



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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: how to use mozilla thunderbird with nvda?

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


the following link might help him. It can be found at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/accessible%20email%20client%20mozilla%20thunderbird.html

it makes me wonder if he is opening it in a new tab and not a new window.


the link should get him up and running and there are some views etc he
can set thunder bird to as well.


I am wondering as well is he talking about when a link is pressed on
that it is bringing it up in another browser.


He should be able to set mozilla fire fox as the default.


gene nz

On 5/12/2016 1:41 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Also, I forgot, I am using NVDA latest version 2016.3 for Thunderbird.
It works just fine.



On 12/4/2016 7:08 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi,
thanks extremely for your detailed and great information!
i should practice them to learn them!
when i opened one message, my firefox opened it instead of my
thunderbird!
how to open them with thunderbird and set it to be easy as firefox?
i tried desabling the preference under general and unfortunately
thunderbird stors all tabs and messages which i opened previously.
besides, whats the best version in simplicity and accessibility easy
to use with nvda?
whats the best versions in this regard?
is there any advance settings that i should change like advance
settings in firefox about:config
God bless you and his infinite mercy i pray for you.

On 12/4/16, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Hi Again,


I forgot a few important items.


You may be having confusion because of the start page issue. Under
tools/options/general, uncheck the box that says 'show the start
page in
the message area.' This way, when you launch Thunderbird, you will go
directly to your list of folder/messages.


If you receive a message with an attachment, with the message open,
press alt + M for the message item and H for the attachments item. You
will then see a bunch of choices including open (the name of the file
attachment) open all, save all and so on.


You can also use tab and shift tab to get to the attachments and use
the
right click (context menu) item, but this is a bit cumbersome, so i
prefer the former method.


Also, I find the following to work well--though a bit cumbersome when
trying to place addresses in various of the CC/BCC/To fields.


If you open a new message and back tab 8 times, you are placed in the
list of addresses in your default or main address book. If you want to
do a mass mailing, thenyou can arrow down or use first letter
navigation (which works for the address book, and select address with
the control + space bar method and then press the following keystrokes
to place large numbers of addresses into the various fields.


alt + A for To field

alt + C for CC field

alt + B for BCC field.


If you wish to place various addresses in multiple field, each time you
place them there, you will have to back tab again until you hear
'contacts, tree view.' This will place you back into the list of
addresses to continue choosing separate fields until you have completed
your list of mass addresses. It is a bit cumbersome, but unless
someone
else has figured out a better way, it is better than going directly
from
the address book and then moving around the list and right clicking and
tghen choosing write and then moving the addresses around from field to
field to that you have some in the to field, some in the cc field and
some in the bcc field.


I hope this meandering list of commands over the course of two messages
helps someone some way.





On 12/4/2016 6:10 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hello:


Thunderbird is pretty straight forward. Once you install the
program, you must set up your account. By default, after the first
installation, this screen comes up--where you enter your e-mail
address, name, server settings and so on. If for some reason, it does
not come up after the first installation, then you can find settings
for the e-mail account under the tools menu (alt +
T) and the accounting settings (press S after alt + T) item.


Once the account settings screen comes up, tab once to the account
settings button and press space bar. A context menu opens and one of
the choice is 'add e-mail account.' If you choose this item, a
standard mail configuration screen comes up and you fill in your
information.


Now here are a few settings that I prefer. Others may have different
opinions. I came from the Outlook Express experience in earlier
versions of Windows, so I set my view settings as follows.


Under the tool bars menu under view, I have menu bar and status bar
checked.

Under the layout sub menu item under view, I have the folder pain
checked and the classic view item checked. I do not have the message
pain checked. This causes problems with many screen reader users. If
this gets checked by accident, it toggles on and off with the press of
the function Key 8 on your keyboard.


Under the folder sub menu item under view, I have the all item
checked--nothing else.


Under the today pane, I have none checked--nothing else. This feature
is nice for sighted people, but it can cause issues for screen
readers.


The sort by item is up to you. I have date and ascending order
checked which places the most recent messages at the bottom of the
list in each folder.


The thread sub menu item is also personal preference but I have all
checked and then I use the command letter N when in a folder with no
open messages to unsort to read each message separately so they won't
open all at once and the letter T for setting them back to threaded so
I can do mass deletions.


Under the headers sub menu item, I have normal checked. This avoids
the full headers which take up a massive amount of space with
gibberish most people don't understand.


Under the message body as item, I have simple HTML which suffices for
most purposes.


The display attachments inline should be unchecked--otherwise files
you attach which are binary or music will create a lot of gibberish
that no one can read.


Now here are a few shortcut and hotkeys to get you started. Many of
them are similar to Outlook Express with a few notable exceptions.


To bring up the address book where you can create e-mail address and
properly send e-mail, the keystroke is control+ shift + B. From the
address book, check the various sub menus for how to create new
entries (control + N) and so on.


To start a new message from scratch without using the address book,
the keystroke is Control + N.

To reply to a message you have received the keystroke is Control + R.
If you wish to respond to everyone in the headers the keystroke is
control + shift + R.

Here's one odd one. To forward a message, press control + L. This
differs from most other Microsoft clients which use Control +

F.

Control + F is used either to find messages in a folder with no open
messages, or to find text in an open message.

To attach a file, from an open message you are writing, press control
+ shift + A. This opens a browse for folder/file dialogue where you
can move to the default folder for attachments.

Once you have completed writing a message, you can either configure
the message to be sent immediately under your account settings or you
can use the keystroke control + enter to send the message. If send
immediately is not configured, you will receive a prompt to send the
message after pressing control + enter to whcih you respond yes.


As far as navigation from folder to folder, the easiest way to do this
in my opinion is to use the Function key 6 (F6) keystroke that will
move ou from the list of messages, to the tabs to the folder list. For
example, if you are in the list of messages and you press F6, you
should go to the folder list. One important thing to remember is that
first letter navigation within the folder list is not possible for
some reason. Unlike in Outlook Express, you must use up and down
arrow keys to move from one folder to another in the tree view and
then press tab once to move to the list of messages in each folder.
That's one big drawback.


For any more settings issues, use the tools menu alt + T and choose
options. There are a bunch of settings for everything from signatures
to just how return receipts are handled. Explore these settings and
make preferred choices.


As with any new program, check under the various menus--both from the
main inbox folder and from wsithin a new message or open message to
get further tips and tricks as to how to use the program.





On 12/4/2016 2:52 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hello every one.
i tried mozilla thunderbird for the second time without any success.
i could not do anything with it.
could you please send me a link which contains complete tutorial in
using thunderbird with nvda?
thanks extremely for your help and God bless you all.
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Re: NVDA Certification?

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

I think i will do the same as well. Just wait and see what the cost is etc and hopefully i know all of the questions.


Gene nz



On 8/12/2016 4:12 PM, David Moore wrote:

Hi Quentin,

I will get my certification as soon as it becomes available. Wow, this is great news. Thanks a lot.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 9:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Certification?

 

Hi everyone,

 

To compliment the training modules we are slowly releasing, a series of certifications is also being developed.  The first of these, to correspond to the knowledge gained from the "Basic Training for NVDA" module, is due to be available shortly.

 

The assessment will be online, and yes, achieving certification will be something that you may include in your e-mail signature or promotional material etc.

 

Apologies for the delay in making the certification available - as is so often the case, it always takes longer to implement that you at first think, but we'd rather have it a little later than originally planned, but done right.

 

I'll be sure and let the group know once it's available.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

 

On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:

OK, but this comes back to you if I get in trouble. LOL!

 

NVDA Certification is an exciting new program which allows participants to demonstrate and confirm their in-depth knowledge of NVDA.

 

This program is particularly suited to:

 

list of 5 items
• Trainers
• Technicians
• Accessibility professionals
• Add-on developers
• Dedicated users of NVDA who wish to demonstrate their proficiency.

More information on how to become certified will be available on the NVDA web site shortly.

 

This was taken from section 14.14.

 

Finally taken from instructions.txt:

 

Upon completion of the topics in this module, you may be interested in sitting the certification exam.  Successful completion of the certification will enable you to be listed as a certified user, and provide you with a uniquely numbered, printable certificate you can use to quantify your proficiency with NVDA (available 3rd quarter 2016).  Please see http://www.nvaccess.org/ for details.

 

Chris.


 



 

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the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216
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Re: Word "Clickable" - Number of repetitions and what causes it?

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


check under the document settings in nvda.


it is the last option i think. Just uncheck it.


gene nz



On 8/12/2016 7:36 PM, david.l.hoare@... wrote:
Could you please tell me how to turn off the function that makes it say 'clickable'?

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Re: Word "Clickable" - Number of repetitions and what causes it?

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello,

1. Navigate to the NVDA menu NVDA+N
2. Down arrow to preferences, and press right arrow.
3. Down arrow to document settings, and press enter.
4. Tab through the dialog box. One of the options is report clickable.
5. Uncheck that box, and press enter.

As you continue to use NVDA, you can learn the hotkeys that will jump you to specific parts of the NVDA settings, thereby saving you a bit of time.

Thanks.

On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 12:45 AM <david.l.hoare@...> wrote:
Could you please tell me how to turn off the function that makes it say 'clickable'?


Re: Word "Clickable" - Number of repetitions and what causes it?

david.l.hoare@...
 

Could you please tell me how to turn off the function that makes it say 'clickable'?


Re: Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Arleen,

I liked XP when it was out but when I got my windows 7 computer, I loved typing things I wanted in the search box. If I wanted to go to wordpad, all I had to do was hit the windows key, type wordpad in the search box and hit enter--and bingo! There it was. It was a pain in the neck always having to arrow to programs in XP. Glad I don't have to do that anymore.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 8:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Me too. The thing I love about 7 is this. You can go to the start menue and type in whatever you want. Like your control panel. Then your computer takes you to it! While xp you had to arrow to get to it! I don’t miss it either. Liked it in its day. I do agree. It needed to be formatted depending on what kind of computer you had. My first xp box had to go to a sighted user. Jaws was taking up loads of resources. When I tried to launch IE it hung. But eventually it went on to IE I was glad to see it go. then my friend gave me her xp box. Not much longer after I got my 7 box witch I'm on now died. The hard drive in that xp box gave up the ghost.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lenron
Sent: December-07-16 4:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

xp sucked to me and I don't miss it. Would rather use 10 or 7 anyday.

On 12/7/16, Rob <captinlogic@gmail.com> wrote:
Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
XP isn't more stable than later versions of Windows.
It is less resource hungry than later versions of windows. Every time,
for example, I tried to run windows 7 on anything less than 4 gb, I
constantly got out of memory messages. XP, however, hummed along just fine on 1 gb.




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Re: Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Arlene
 

Me too. The thing I love about 7 is this. You can go to the start menue and type in whatever you want. Like your control panel. Then your computer takes you to it! While xp you had to arrow to get to it! I don’t miss it either. Liked it in its day. I do agree. It needed to be formatted depending on what kind of computer you had. My first xp box had to go to a sighted user. Jaws was taking up loads of resources. When I tried to launch IE it hung. But eventually it went on to IE I was glad to see it go. then my friend gave me her xp box. Not much longer after I got my 7 box witch I'm on now died. The hard drive in that xp box gave up the ghost.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lenron
Sent: December-07-16 4:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

xp sucked to me and I don't miss it. Would rather use 10 or 7 anyday.

On 12/7/16, Rob <captinlogic@gmail.com> wrote:
Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
XP isn't more stable than later versions of Windows.
It is less resource hungry than later versions of windows. Every time,
for example, I tried to run windows 7 on anything less than 4 gb, I
constantly got out of memory messages. XP, however, hummed along just fine on 1 gb.




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Re: NVDA Certification?

David Moore
 

Hi Quentin,

I will get my certification as soon as it becomes available. Wow, this is great news. Thanks a lot.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 9:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Certification?

 

Hi everyone,

 

To compliment the training modules we are slowly releasing, a series of certifications is also being developed.  The first of these, to correspond to the knowledge gained from the "Basic Training for NVDA" module, is due to be available shortly.

 

The assessment will be online, and yes, achieving certification will be something that you may include in your e-mail signature or promotional material etc.

 

Apologies for the delay in making the certification available - as is so often the case, it always takes longer to implement that you at first think, but we'd rather have it a little later than originally planned, but done right.

 

I'll be sure and let the group know once it's available.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

 

On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:

OK, but this comes back to you if I get in trouble. LOL!

 

NVDA Certification is an exciting new program which allows participants to demonstrate and confirm their in-depth knowledge of NVDA.

 

This program is particularly suited to:

 

list of 5 items
• Trainers
• Technicians
• Accessibility professionals
• Add-on developers
• Dedicated users of NVDA who wish to demonstrate their proficiency.

More information on how to become certified will be available on the NVDA web site shortly.

 

This was taken from section 14.14.

 

Finally taken from instructions.txt:

 

Upon completion of the topics in this module, you may be interested in sitting the certification exam.  Successful completion of the certification will enable you to be listed as a certified user, and provide you with a uniquely numbered, printable certificate you can use to quantify your proficiency with NVDA (available 3rd quarter 2016).  Please see http://www.nvaccess.org/ for details.

 

Chris.


 



 

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www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

 


Re: NVDA Certification?

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

To compliment the training modules we are slowly releasing, a series of certifications is also being developed.  The first of these, to correspond to the knowledge gained from the "Basic Training for NVDA" module, is due to be available shortly.

The assessment will be online, and yes, achieving certification will be something that you may include in your e-mail signature or promotional material etc.

Apologies for the delay in making the certification available - as is so often the case, it always takes longer to implement that you at first think, but we'd rather have it a little later than originally planned, but done right.

I'll be sure and let the group know once it's available.

Kind regards

Quentin.


On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
OK, but this comes back to you if I get in trouble. LOL!
 
NVDA Certification is an exciting new program which allows participants to demonstrate and confirm their in-depth knowledge of NVDA.
 
This program is particularly suited to:
 
list of 5 items
• Trainers
• Technicians
• Accessibility professionals
• Add-on developers
• Dedicated users of NVDA who wish to demonstrate their proficiency.
More information on how to become certified will be available on the NVDA web site shortly.
 
This was taken from section 14.14.
 
Finally taken from instructions.txt:
 
Upon completion of the topics in this module, you may be interested in sitting the certification exam.  Successful completion of the certification will enable you to be listed as a certified user, and provide you with a uniquely numbered, printable certificate you can use to quantify your proficiency with NVDA (available 3rd quarter 2016).  Please see http://www.nvaccess.org/ for details.
 
Chris.

 




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www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: NVDA Certification?

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

OK, but this comes back to you if I get in trouble. LOL!
 
NVDA Certification is an exciting new program which allows participants to demonstrate and confirm their in-depth knowledge of NVDA.
 
This program is particularly suited to:
 
list of 5 items
• Trainers
• Technicians
• Accessibility professionals
• Add-on developers
• Dedicated users of NVDA who wish to demonstrate their proficiency.

More information on how to become certified will be available on the NVDA web site shortly.
 
This was taken from section 14.14.
 
Finally taken from instructions.txt:
 
Upon completion of the topics in this module, you may be interested in sitting the certification exam.  Successful completion of the certification will enable you to be listed as a certified user, and provide you with a uniquely numbered, printable certificate you can use to quantify your proficiency with NVDA (available 3rd quarter 2016).  Please see http://www.nvaccess.org/ for details.
 
Chris.

 


Re: how to use mozilla thunderbird with nvda?

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Again, I'll repeat myself (again) imap, pop3, and a whole host of other services have default ports.  There's nothing at all required for a program to use these default ports to offer preliminary setup guesses as to any configuration.  In addition, basic names such as smtp.hostname and pop3.hostname and so on have become the defacto defaults in internet servers.  Any email program can easily use these standard defaults, and get it right 90 percent of the time.  And, even if those standards don't work, it still makes it easier for folks to change the defaults to fit their needs.  There is not database entry for softcon.com in thunderbird's database, I can guarantee you that, yet it still offered up the standard internet defaults for these services, and because I followed general internet guidelines, the defaults worked.  That's just common sense, and it has nothing to do with looking up anything in a database. 
Admittedly, there are some services that don't use their own servers, and others that don't use standard names/ports, and it's likely thunderbird has tried to make a record of the ones they know about, to save some trouble for folks using those services, and that's helpful, but I'm simply pointing out, that in most cases, database lookups aren't necessary.
On 12/7/2016 7:21 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 02:23 pm, Travis Siegel wrote:
it doesn't take any sort of a database for any email client

 Travis,

        No coder worth his salt, or product worth it's either, would try to make "an educated guess" regarding e-mail server configurations.  I suggest you take a look at the Thunderbird Features Page, Mail Account Setup Wizard section where the text states, "Now all you need to provide is your name, email address, and password and the email account set up wizardry will check our database and find the email settings for you."

         I've had enough instances where Thunderbird did not set up accounts automatically where I had every reason to believe it would to know it isn't guessing - it knows or it doesn't.  If it doesn't, you manually configure and it's best to look up the servers, ports, and security you'll be using before doing so.

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Re: NVDA Certification?

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Post the relevant passage, it's called fair use, nobody is going to sue you for it.



On 12/7/2016 7:21 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Actually, in the EBook, which is sold through
 
 
It states that there is indeed a certification.
 
I know nothing more about this, than there being an exam, and that your name then would be added to the list of certified NVDA users. I don't wish to break copyright, so I won't post the reference here, but it does indeed state this near the very top of the book content.
 
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Certification?

Hi,

At this point, if I heard right, NV Access does not offer certification programs. If it did, signatures of some members would say so.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 4:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Certification?

 

They do, yes, but I  don't know much about it. Hopefully someone can chime in, as I'd be interested as well in this.

 

Chris.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Merv Keck

Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 6:44 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA Certification?

 

Hi,

VFO has several certification programs for their products including Magic and Jaws. I was wondering if NVDA has a certification that can be achieved as well?

Thanks in advance,

Merv

 





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Re: Potential problem with the Remote addon

 

One thing I want to know in reguards to remote, is does it only run when nvda is running or will it run if nvda is set at login if nvda iis set to start at login.
Reason is that with all the security with it and leaving autoconnect on, if it does not run if theo option to login is not selected or the program is not started, I can set it up on each of the remotes I work with with a key then whenever I need to do work I can get people to run one command and I can just go and do whatever.

On 8/12/2016 12:36 p.m., Chris Mullins wrote:
I use the remote add-on regularly, so I am familiar with the concept. The bit I am struggling with is why, knowing the concept, anyone would think an f11 keypress could be sent to the remote computer by pressing NVDA+f2 followed by f11 on the controlling computer.



Cheers

Chris



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: 7 December 2016 16:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon



He did explain that at the beginning. I understood perfectly what he was asking the whole time, and honestly, I can't figure out why others didn't get it. It's a simple concept. f11 toggles between local and remote, f11 is needed to do something on the remote host, but the addon takes the f11 key regardless of whether the passthrough key is pressed or not. What's so hard to understand about that?

That's what Chris said in the very first post on this topic. I didn't answer, because I didn't have a response that would help. Why did it take 10 rounds of back and forth to get this across?





On 12/7/2016 12:16 AM, Gene wrote:

If you had explained this at the beginning, it would have saved a lot of confusion.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland <mailto:clgilland07@gmail.com>

Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 9:35 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon



Shruggs, never mind. I'm tired of trying to explain this. It's not your fault. NO hard feelings. I just don't know how simpiler to put this.



I am the controller. He is the controlee. He can hit F11 on his end. I however cannot as F11 toggles between me sending keys and not sending keys.



I get that with him being the controlee, he could hit F11 to his heart's content, and it wouldn't toggle between keystrokes being sent to him or not.



For him, if he hits F11, it would then simply perform the regular function of F11. If I hit it, it'll toggle. I get that. OK? Make that totally clear. I get it!



Here is where the problem is coming in though.



On his computer, the computer I am controlling, he's running a program which requires pressing of the F11 key to open a certain dialog within the program.



When focus is in that particular program, if he, not I, but he! hits F11, the dialog comes up no problem.



If I! hit F11 though, it toggles between sending keys and not sending keys.



So, if I am on his computer, and I'm sending keys to his system, I go to the start window, I navigate and open up that program, OK, you following me? I open up that program, on his? end, not on mine, the program launches and is in the foreground. I then press F11 to bring up that dialog. I instead hear not sending keys. The reason is because F11 on the controller's computer toggles between the two machines. sending, and not sending, keystrokes.



So... he can hit F11, but if I'm carrying out a task helping him, I don't always want to have to say, hey Joe Blow, hit your F11 key, I can't hittit for you.



There needs to be a way to tell the Remote addon when on either! the remote controller's end or the controlee's end, either! it doesn't matter if you're sending keys or not. That's totally irrelavent. The point is, regardless, there needs to be an equal way that the controller also have full functionality of the keyboard. The controller needs a way to be able to send an F11 key to the controlee's machine. It shouldn't always be up to the controlee to have to hit F11. Either person should have a way to be able to do it.



So, my logic of thinking was, OK, the Remote addon is obviously seeing when I hit F11 that I'm trying to switch between sending and not sending keystrokes. I don't want NVDA interpreting that and sending the F11 key through to the Remote addon, thereby toggling key sending on/off. I want to be sending key commands to the controlee's system. While doing so, I want to be able to press NVDA F2, pass a key through, this way, NVDA doesn't give two damns less about that F11 key. For all NVDA cares, I never pressed it to start with.



I need that NVDA+F2 to bypass the F11 key so that when I hit F11 while sending keys, the Remote addon doesn't detect the keystroke and toggle me back to my machine, but instead sends the F11 key to the controlee's system as a regular keyboard shortcut, thereby within the program in question activating sed dialog as a result of the F11 key being the command coded into this application to activate that screen.



What I was apparently trying to say in a not so good way, or so it seems, is that when I press the NVDA+F2 to pass the next keystroke through to the OS, bypassing NVDA and all addons accordingly, as soon as I do this and hear pass key through, if I then hit F11, the key isn't getting passed; it's still sending the F11 key through being interpreted by NVDA, thereby toggling me back to not sending key commands, same as if I'd just hit F11 without first passing the key through.



In practice, I'd think that if I pass a key through, then the next press of F11 should be sent to which ever machine I'm presently controlling, that is not what I'm observing though.



I really! really! really really really! really! can't make it any more childplay elementary comprehensible than this. I've spelled in black and white precisely down to a T what the problem is. I don't possess any skill of knowledge to make this easier put.



If this makes sense, then great, but if not, then I'm out of symantic ways to explain it.



Again, no hard feelings, but this really shouldn't be this hard to grasp.



Chris.

----- Original Message -----

From: Chris Mullins <mailto:cjmullins29@gmail.com>

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 7:00 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon



You said “hearing NVDA say pass key through, then hitting F11, I can't send an F11 key to his computer” then “He can hit F11 and obviously it works”. I took this to mean you pressed NVDA+f2 to try and bypass the sendkey operation of f11 and send it to the remote computer. If, when the guy on the remote computer presses f11 it works OK, why would you need to run an NVDA bypass command on that computer?



When a remote connection is made, the keyboard of the controlled computer works as normal, so f11 is f11. On the keyboard of the controlling computer however, the f11 key acts as a sendkey toggle, so even if you are ‘sending keys’, the f11 keypress is never transmitted to the remote computer. I suggested a double/triple keypress event as a sendkey toggle as this is more unlikely to be required by an app you are interacting with on a remote computer.



Cheers

Chris



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: 6 December 2016 20:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon



But I want the bipass command and the F11 to be executed at the remote end.



I'm not sure how much more simple to put this.

----- Original Message -----

From: Chris Mullins <mailto:cjmullins29@gmail.com>

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 7:29 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon



Hi

There has to be a key or key combination which the controlling NVDA uses to switch the key send feature, in this case it happens to be f11. Using the bypass command doesn’t work because if you are sending keys, it’s executing at the remote end. Perhaps the remote add-on could be tweaked to use a double or triple tap of F11 to switch the key sending mode on and off, with a single keypress being treated as any other key.



Cheers

Chris

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: 6 December 2016 00:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon



Yeah, I sent it to the list earlier, but, who knows... LOL! It's all good.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 6:32 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon



Yes, that makes sense. I don't recall your original message but it makes sense now.



Gene

------ Original Message -----

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland <mailto:clgilland07@gmail.com>

Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 4:48 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon



Gene,



One of us is confused.



Yes it does make sense you'd issue the bypass command. This friend of mine has an app that he uses which uncommonly has F11 mapped as one of the keystrokes to perform a task within that application. So, regardless if NVDA is in the equasion or not, even if a sighted person was using this same application, F11 would be the command one would need to hit to execute this function. The problem is, F11 is also assigned to the NVDA remote addon to toggle between sending or not sending keys.



If I am trying to help him with something in this program, and we get to the point where F11 is required, yeah, I can make him hit the key for me, but that's really a poor way of doing things. I should be able in one form a or another to have the same level of control as him, not 99.9999%. If I am sending keys, and am focused in that application on his system, then try hitting F11, it stops sending keys. Why? Because F11 is ultimately set to be interceptid by the Remote Addon, so therefore that takes

precedents over the application in question therefore causing a key conflict. This is why I need the Remote addon to ignore me hitting F11. This way the application sees it, not the remote addon. That's why I was trying to first do a pass key through.



If this doesn't make sense, then I'm not sure how more elementary to explain it. Maybe someone else can.



Chris.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 5:37 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon



It doesn't make sense that you would use the bypass key before issuing the f11 command. This is clearly an NVDA add on command and you would want it to go to NVDA so the add on will intercept it and take an action.



Whatever the problem is, the bypass key won't solve it, as you found.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland <mailto:clgilland07@gmail.com>

Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 4:32 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon



So, a friend and I were both playing with the NVDA Remote addon. I was controlling his computer.



The Addon worked flawlessly with one exception: For whatever reason, you know how F11 is used for sending/not sending keys? I know earlier I talked about needing the keystroke to pass a key through, which was told to me to be NVDA+F2. Thank you for that information, by the way. The problem is, even after doing this, hearing NVDA say pass key through, then hitting F11, I can't send an F11 key to his computer, no matter what!



He! can hit F11 and obviously it works, but shouldn't the controller also be able to do this?



This one's got me a bit baffled. Further, in the Tools menu of NVDA under Remote, I tried sending a CTRL+Alt+Del, and that neither is working. It just acts like I did nothing at all.



Does anyone know how to get both these issues resolved short of contacting Christopher Toth, who usually never seems to respond back to me cvia e-mail nor via Twitter, not sure why not?



Chris.





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Re: Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

True, but if you had a 64 bit processer why would you.
Before talking dosbox the only reason I did this was for 16 bit code and to be honest some of that runs better on the old style terminal but to be honest thats going to go away.
We won't have choices next time around.
A lot of new systems will be using more than 4gb ram and 32 bit while still round is getting less and less.

On 8/12/2016 1:44 p.m., Gene wrote:
Unless both versions of Windows were either 64 or 32 bit, such comparisons aren't valid. 64 bit versions of Windows use more resources. You can run a 32 bit version of Windows 7 on much less than 4gb of RAM. I don't know what the minimum is but it's much less.

It may be that Windows 7 requires more resources but I suspect you are comparing 32 bit XP with 64 bit Windows 7.

Gene
----- original Message -----

From: Rob
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 6:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease


Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
XP isn't more stable than later versions of Windows.
It is less resource hungry than later versions of windows. Every time, for example, I tried to run windows 7 on anything less than 4 gb, I constantly got out of memory messages. XP, however, hummed along just fine on 1 gb.