So do I!
And even the new dialogs for Transfer money are very acessible. You just have to understand them...

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Clare Page
Data: segunda-feira, 11 de julho de 2016 15:27
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] The Paypal form..

Hi!
I use Paypal with Firefox all the time and never have problems with it. It's
possible that other browsers don't display the Paypal site quite as well as
Firefox does, but I haven't investigated that.
I've filled in several forms, on different websites, where it says "invalid
entry" in some of the ttext fields, but those words disappear as soon as I
fill it whatever is necessary, so I would guess that "invalid entry" must
simply mean that you haven't yet filled in the appropriate text.
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik
burggraaf
Sent: lundi 11 juillet 2016 14:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] The Paypal form..

I don't remember Roger telling us what browser he's using but I feel I have
to agree with Brian here this seems like a browser issue to me I was able to
do the donation successfully using Google Chrome and voice over on the Mac
and yes the boxes did come up as invalid until I finish typing in them.
It would definitely be worth your while trying Firefox if you haven't
already if you have tried Firefox and the same thing happens please let us
know I think switching browsers is a lot more convenient than having several
screen reader is on a machine or soliciting cited assistance useful as that
can be sometimes

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On July 11, 2016 6:39:12 AM "Brian's Mail list account"
<bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

I can say that using Firefox 46
The form works as it always did.
I just donated 30 aus and OK the invalid input did come up as typing
into the boxes, but I suspect this is an artifact that until you
finish it is indeed wrong.
As usual had several goes at remembering the caps and lower case in
the password, and it eventually accepted it and sent me through when I
clicked the button or link for doing the donation.
My feeling here is that this is a browser issue if you cannot get it
to work, always try another browser. I did mention that the IE current
updat is a bit broken as far as some accessibility is concerned, but
its very very spcific it seems as most of the time its fine.
Brian

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Try contacting paypal themselves to see at least they are aware of the
problem and can help resolve it or if they are not aware then make them
aware of the problem




-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account
Sent: 11 July 2016 10:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pay Pal broken again!

Not tried it since the last issue of nvda whenI sent a donation that way.
Have you tried other browsers. There was aknown bug in IE11 recent update
where some buttons were not activated. I'm sure Microsoft will fix it
eventually maybe.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pay Pal broken again!

Sorry, no on both for now. nvda is my only screen reader. This is a
strange one. A year or so back they changed their page so much that it
took me a while to figure it out. However, it still seems to be the same
as it has always been. Everything works until the very last continue
button which would have sent the money but it just sits there.

Roger







On 7/10/2016 7:31 PM, Arlene wrote:

Hi, do you have any other screen reader either then NVDA? If you do. Try
it. if you don't get a sighted friend if you have one that will go to
your house to see if pay pal is broken.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger

Stewart
Sent: July-10-16 5:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Pay Pal broken again!

Don't know what's going on, but I can't use Pay Pal with nvda. It
appears to be just the same as it ever was, but after I do everything
and then the very last step of continue, nothing happens at all. There
are no error messages or anything. Can anyone tell me what they may have
changed? One thing I've been noticing is that nvda will always say
"invalid entry required" when I come to an edit field there. Maybe they
have really changed things so that I really need to enter something
invalid instead of my valid password.


Thanks.


Roger

Hi!
I use Paypal with Firefox all the time and never have problems with it. It's
possible that other browsers don't display the Paypal site quite as well as
Firefox does, but I haven't investigated that.
I've filled in several forms, on different websites, where it says "invalid
entry" in some of the ttext fields, but those words disappear as soon as I
fill it whatever is necessary, so I would guess that "invalid entry" must
simply mean that you haven't yet filled in the appropriate text.
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik
burggraaf
Sent: lundi 11 juillet 2016 14:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] The Paypal form..

I don't remember Roger telling us what browser he's using but I feel I have
to agree with Brian here this seems like a browser issue to me I was able to
do the donation successfully using Google Chrome and voice over on the Mac
and yes the boxes did come up as invalid until I finish typing in them.
It would definitely be worth your while trying Firefox if you haven't
already if you have tried Firefox and the same thing happens please let us
know I think switching browsers is a lot more convenient than having several
screen reader is on a machine or soliciting cited assistance useful as that
can be sometimes

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On July 11, 2016 6:39:12 AM "Brian's Mail list account"
<bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

I can say that using Firefox 46
The form works as it always did.
I just donated 30 aus and OK the invalid input did come up as typing
into the boxes, but I suspect this is an artifact that until you
finish it is indeed wrong.
As usual had several goes at remembering the caps and lower case in
the password, and it eventually accepted it and sent me through when I
clicked the button or link for doing the donation.
My feeling here is that this is a browser issue if you cannot get it
to work, always try another browser. I did mention that the IE current
updat is a bit broken as far as some accessibility is concerned, but
its very very spcific it seems as most of the time its fine.
Brian

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I'm using Firefox and it is set as my default browser.

Roger









On 7/11/2016 7:50 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:

I don't remember Roger telling us what browser he's using but I feel I have to agree with Brian here this seems like a browser issue to me I was able to do the donation successfully using Google Chrome and voice over on the Mac and yes the boxes did come up as invalid until I finish typing in them. It would definitely be worth your while trying Firefox if you haven't already if you have tried Firefox and the same thing happens please let us know I think switching browsers is a lot more convenient than having several screen reader is on a machine or soliciting cited assistance useful as that can be sometimes

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On July 11, 2016 6:39:12 AM "Brian's Mail list account" <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

I can say that using Firefox 46
The form works as it always did.
I just donated 30 aus and OK the invalid input did come up as typing into
the boxes, but I suspect this is an artifact that until you finish it is
indeed wrong.
As usual had several goes at remembering the caps and lower case in the
password, and it eventually accepted it and sent me through when I clicked
the button or link for doing the donation.
My feeling here is that this is a browser issue if you cannot get it to
work, always try another browser. I did mention that the IE current updat is
a bit broken as far as some accessibility is concerned, but its very very
spcific it seems as most of the time its fine.
Brian

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failing that, make the attempt using your smart phone if you have the paypal app on said device.


On 11/07/2016 11:15, Arlene wrote:

Hi, see if you can get a sighted friend to look at your screen when you go to that site. It should be a sighted person you trust!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: July-10-16 5:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pay Pal broken again!

Sorry, no on both for now. nvda is my only screen reader. This is a strange one. A year or so back they changed their page so much that it took me a while to figure it out. However, it still seems to be the same as it has always been. Everything works until the very last continue button which would have sent the money but it just sits there.

Roger







On 7/10/2016 7:31 PM, Arlene wrote:

Hi, do you have any other screen reader either then NVDA? If you do. Try it. if you don’t get a sighted friend if you have one that will go to your house to see if pay pal is broken.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Roger Stewart
Sent: July-10-16 5:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Pay Pal broken again!

Don't know what's going on, but I can't use Pay Pal with nvda. It
appears to be just the same as it ever was, but after I do everything
and then the very last step of continue, nothing happens at all.
There are no error messages or anything. Can anyone tell me what they
may have changed? One thing I've been noticing is that nvda will
always say "invalid entry required" when I come to an edit field
there. Maybe they have really changed things so that I really need to
enter something invalid instead of my valid password.


Thanks.


Roger

Have you tried the spreadsheet? Were you able to use it?

Dean

-----Original Message-----
From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 4:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OpenOffice or LibreOffice

hi.
they both have the property that you can report your bugs and issues.
for example: you can report your bug about using libreoffice in this
site after registration.
www.bugs.libreoffice.org
i prefer libreoffice for many reasons, like:
support for different languages in its menu,
(i mean its user interface)
support all formats of microsoft office and many programs,
more features in comparission to openoffice, and the most important,
its group which are very friendly, kind, honest and intimate.

On 7/11/16, Kenny Peyattt jr. <p.wildcat1234@gmail.com> wrote:

Do they have a bug tracker you can post issues in so they can get that
fixed? That was the same issue I was having with libreoffice. But I
couldant
find anywhere on the website to post issues.
Kenny Peyatt jr.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
Mehler
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 9:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OpenOffice or LibreOffice

Hello,

I have tried Libre office both with NVDA and jaws. In both cases it's
got a nasty habit at least on my machines of loosing focus, a lot,
like coming out of menus, saving documents, it's quite frustrating.
I've since uninstalled it.

Thanks.
Dave.


On 7/10/16, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, Dean,

I tried libre office but didn't really care for it too much. I think
open
office works better.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dean
Masters
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 5:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OpenOffice or LibreOffice

I read the article but does that mean Libera Office will be more
accessible?

I tried it earlier this year and found I could not use the spreadsheet
at
all with another screen reader. so I went back to Open Office.

Dean


-----Original Message-----
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 6:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OpenOffice or LibreOffice

I looked into this last year. How to Geek has a good comparison
article:
http://www.howtogeek.com/187663/openoffice-vs.-libreoffice-whats-the-difference-and-which-should-you-use/

Basically LibreOffice has been more frequently updated and has a
slightly
more "classic" (Say Microsoft Office pre the ribbon) look and Open
Office
has a few more side bar options.

In terms of accessibility I'm not sure which is ahead though being
updated
more often, if you encounter a problem, it might be easier to get it
addressed in LIbreOffice.

Note that there is also Open365, an online office suite based on
LibreOffice: https://open365.io/

Essentially it looks similar to LibreOffice but runs in a browser. As
you
can probably guess..... steer clear of that one ;) I tried it a month
or
so
ago and while I could get around the system tray component, the actual
say
word processor was unusable. Even aside from accessibility issues
(which
were enough to nix it on their own - it was sooo slow! I couldn't put
up
with it on that basis alone
either. I'm on ADSL 2 and while I wouldn't boast it to be the best
connection in the world, it's not THAT bad that it should have made that
much difference.

Kind regards

Quentin.

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On 11 July 2016 at 04:55, mk360 <mk.seventhson@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,


I know that it was asked before, but versions are updated regularly
and well, now I'm searching for the option... apparently LO is the
best, but I don't know...

So, any info will be apreciated... note that I can install LO and OO
simultanously, so if you can say what is the best for what option...


Thanks,

mk.

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and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
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Hello,

I can still use my eyes, although they are very week. I don't like the fact
screenreaders still speak, but turning speech on and off frequently is
cumbersome. It would be nice if there was an option to turn off the kind of
speech I call "automatic feedback". I don't need focus reporting, automatic
active window reporting, and other such things, but I'd like to have instant
spoken feedback when I invoke screenreader command involving NVDA key. It
would be also nice if there was a way to set form mode as a default for web
browsing.

The suggestions above are meant to enable a "toolbox mode" for NVDA, where
it silently sits in background, not interfering in common computer use, but
ready to speak whenever it's asked to. It would really enhance my user
experience when working in Windows.

Tomas Valusek

Hi, can the blind use an amizon tablit or how about a chrome tablet

You'll know something is going on when you start installing. There will
be screen after screen asking if you want to install one thing or
another which have nothing at all to do with the program you really want
to install. They are very sneaky and sometimes if you uncheck a box you
will actually be installing the malware instead of declining it.

Roger








On 7/11/2016 5:14 PM, Sukil Etxenike via Groups.io wrote:

Hi,

Obvious question: how do I know if an installer uses Opencandy?

Regards,

Sukil



El 10/07/2016 a las 12:55, Brian's Mail list account escribió:

Well the old CD burner xp still seems to work OK in 10, and is very
easy to use.

I'm sure there are many more. A word of warning if the installer uses
opencandy, sometimes this does not work with nvda making it hard to
get past the ;suggested' software. Instead run it from a command
prompt such as
filename.exe nocandy
and it will bypass this
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemarie Chavarria"
<knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 9:33 PM
Subject: [nvda] free CD-burning program that will work well with NVDA

Hi, everyone,



I've been trying to burn a CD for a friend with windows 10 but I'm
finding
it very complicated. What is a good free CD-burning program that
will work
well with NVDA?



Thanks for your help in advance.



Rosemarie

Hi,

Obvious question: how do I know if an installer uses Opencandy?

Regards,

Sukil



El 10/07/2016 a las 12:55, Brian's Mail list account escribió:

Well the old CD burner xp still seems to work OK in 10, and is very easy to use.

I'm sure there are many more. A word of warning if the installer uses opencandy, sometimes this does not work with nvda making it hard to get past the ;suggested' software. Instead run it from a command prompt such as
filename.exe nocandy
and it will bypass this
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 9:33 PM
Subject: [nvda] free CD-burning program that will work well with NVDA

Hi, everyone,



I've been trying to burn a CD for a friend with windows 10 but I'm finding
it very complicated. What is a good free CD-burning program that will work
well with NVDA?



Thanks for your help in advance.



Rosemarie

Well the old CD burner xp still seems to work OK in 10, and is very easy to use.

I'm sure there are many more. A word of warning if the installer uses opencandy, sometimes this does not work with nvda making it hard to get past the ;suggested' software. Instead run it from a command prompt such as
filename.exe nocandy
and it will bypass this
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 9:33 PM
Subject: [nvda] free CD-burning program that will work well with NVDA

Hi, everyone,



I've been trying to burn a CD for a friend with windows 10 but I'm finding
it very complicated. What is a good free CD-burning program that will work
well with NVDA?



Thanks for your help in advance.



Rosemarie

I filled out the form on the Sourceforge page given below last Monday,
but I have not received a message asking for confirmation. The page may
be out of date, because it gives the address of a list on Freelists, not
this list, for users.

John

On Mon, Jul 04, 2016 at 02:43:17PM +0200, Antony Stone wrote:

https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nvda-devel

Antony.

On Monday 04 July 2016 at 14:16:11, John J. Boyer wrote:

NVDA's handling of Braille is very good, but I have some suggestions
and would like to contribute in other ways. How do i subscribe to the
development list?

Thanks,

https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nvda-devel

Antony.

On Monday 04 July 2016 at 14:16:11, John J. Boyer wrote:

NVDA's handling of Braille is very good, but I have some suggestions and
would like to contribute in other ways. How do i subscribe to the
development list?

Thanks,

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I can say that using Firefox 46
The form works as it always did.
I just donated 30 aus and OK the invalid input did come up as typing

the boxes, but I suspect this is an artifact that until you finish it is
indeed wrong.
As usual had several goes at remembering the caps and lower case in the
password, and it eventually accepted it and sent me through when I clicked
the button or link for doing the donation.
My feeling here is that this is a browser issue if you cannot get it to
work, always try another browser. I did mention that the IE current updat

a bit broken as far as some accessibility is concerned, but its very

spcific it seems as most of the time its fine.
Brian

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