Do they have a bug tracker you can post issues in so they can get that
fixed? That was the same issue I was having with libreoffice. But I couldant
find anywhere on the website to post issues.
Kenny Peyatt jr.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
Mehler
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 9:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OpenOffice or LibreOffice

Hello,

I have tried Libre office both with NVDA and jaws. In both cases it's
got a nasty habit at least on my machines of loosing focus, a lot,
like coming out of menus, saving documents, it's quite frustrating.
I've since uninstalled it.

Thanks.
Dave.


On 7/10/16, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, Dean,

I tried libre office but didn't really care for it too much. I think open
office works better.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dean
Masters
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 5:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OpenOffice or LibreOffice

I read the article but does that mean Libera Office will be more
accessible?

I tried it earlier this year and found I could not use the spreadsheet at
all with another screen reader. so I went back to Open Office.

Dean


-----Original Message-----
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 6:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OpenOffice or LibreOffice

I looked into this last year. How to Geek has a good comparison
article:
http://www.howtogeek.com/187663/openoffice-vs.-libreoffice-whats-the-difference-and-which-should-you-use/

Basically LibreOffice has been more frequently updated and has a slightly
more "classic" (Say Microsoft Office pre the ribbon) look and Open Office
has a few more side bar options.

In terms of accessibility I'm not sure which is ahead though being
updated
more often, if you encounter a problem, it might be easier to get it
addressed in LIbreOffice.

Note that there is also Open365, an online office suite based on
LibreOffice: https://open365.io/

Essentially it looks similar to LibreOffice but runs in a browser. As
you
can probably guess..... steer clear of that one ;) I tried it a month or
so
ago and while I could get around the system tray component, the actual
say
word processor was unusable. Even aside from accessibility issues (which
were enough to nix it on their own - it was sooo slow! I couldn't put up
with it on that basis alone
either. I'm on ADSL 2 and while I wouldn't boast it to be the best
connection in the world, it's not THAT bad that it should have made that
much difference.

Kind regards

Quentin.

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On 11 July 2016 at 04:55, mk360 <mk.seventhson@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,


I know that it was asked before, but versions are updated regularly
and well, now I'm searching for the option... apparently LO is the
best, but I don't know...

So, any info will be apreciated... note that I can install LO and OO
simultanously, so if you can say what is the best for what option...


Thanks,

mk.

Hmmm,  I could probably get you a tutorial sometime this week.  I have a support call this afternoon and my windows virtual machine is being a huge brat lately.  If no one gets to it before I do though, I'll put something up.

If NVDA doesn't have a spot for hosting such things I can do it from my new site.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
Visit the out of work bum for your chance to win one of 10 KNFB Reader or Nearby Explorer for IOS or android!  

http://www.theoutofworkbum.work

Also check out my website for inclusion to the android platform for persons with sensery, physical or cognitive disabilities:

http://www.inclusiveandroid.com

On Jul 11, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Roger Stewart <paganus2@...> wrote:

If there were any errors, nvda didn't report any.  There may be something but if the screen reader can't see it then neither can I.  I am using the latest stable nvda--2016.2.1

Roger









On 7/11/2016 9:43 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:

Roger,  It sounds as if you have the ideal setup for what you want to do.  Well that's the good news.  The bad news is it makes it harder for us to diagnose.  I think we've exhausted any compatibility issues although if for some reason you're not running the latest NVDA, you might want to hit the update button.

Then we have to get into making sure you have a valid payment method on file, and looking at other things behind the scenes.

When something goes wrong, paypal has gotten decent at letting you know.  Near the top of the page there is usually a signpost that tells you if there are errors.  If you see one of those it would be helpful if you sent  us the text of the error.

Thanks,

Erik Burggraaf
Visit the out of work bum for your chance to win one of 10 KNFB Reader or Nearby Explorer for IOS or android!  

http://www.theoutofworkbum.work

Also check out my website for inclusion to the android platform for persons with sensery, physical or cognitive disabilities:

http://www.inclusiveandroid.com

On Jul 11, 2016, at 7:17 AM, Roger Stewart <paganus2@...> wrote:

I'm using Firefox and it is set as my default browser.

Roger









On 7/11/2016 7:50 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:

I don't remember Roger telling us what browser he's using but I feel I have to agree with Brian here this seems like a browser issue to me I was able to do the donation successfully using Google Chrome and voice over on the Mac and yes the boxes did come up as invalid until I finish typing in them. It would definitely be worth your while trying Firefox if you haven't already if you have tried Firefox and the same thing happens please let us know I think switching browsers is a lot more convenient than having several screen reader is on a machine or soliciting cited assistance useful as that can be sometimes

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On July 11, 2016 6:39:12 AM "Brian's Mail list account" <bglists@...> wrote:

I can say that using Firefox 46
The form works as it always did.
 I just donated 30 aus and OK the invalid input did come up as typing into
the boxes, but I suspect this is an artifact that until you finish it is
indeed wrong.
As usual had several goes at remembering the caps and  lower case in the
password, and it eventually accepted it and sent me through when I clicked
the  button or link for doing the donation.
My feeling here is that this is a browser issue if you cannot get it to
work, always try another browser. I did mention that the IE current updat is
a bit broken  as far as some accessibility is concerned, but its very very
spcific it seems as most of the time its fine.
Brian

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On Jul 11, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Roger Stewart <paganus2@...> wrote:

If there were any errors, nvda didn't report any.  There may be something but if the screen reader can't see it then neither can I.  I am using the latest stable nvda--2016.2.1

Roger









On 7/11/2016 9:43 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:

Roger,  It sounds as if you have the ideal setup for what you want to do.  Well that's the good news.  The bad news is it makes it harder for us to diagnose.  I think we've exhausted any compatibility issues although if for some reason you're not running the latest NVDA, you might want to hit the update button.

Then we have to get into making sure you have a valid payment method on file, and looking at other things behind the scenes.

When something goes wrong, paypal has gotten decent at letting you know.  Near the top of the page there is usually a signpost that tells you if there are errors.  If you see one of those it would be helpful if you sent  us the text of the error.

Thanks,

Erik Burggraaf
Visit the out of work bum for your chance to win one of 10 KNFB Reader or Nearby Explorer for IOS or android!  

http://www.theoutofworkbum.work

Also check out my website for inclusion to the android platform for persons with sensery, physical or cognitive disabilities:

http://www.inclusiveandroid.com

On Jul 11, 2016, at 7:17 AM, Roger Stewart <paganus2@...> wrote:

I'm using Firefox and it is set as my default browser.

Roger









On 7/11/2016 7:50 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:

I don't remember Roger telling us what browser he's using but I feel I have to agree with Brian here this seems like a browser issue to me I was able to do the donation successfully using Google Chrome and voice over on the Mac and yes the boxes did come up as invalid until I finish typing in them. It would definitely be worth your while trying Firefox if you haven't already if you have tried Firefox and the same thing happens please let us know I think switching browsers is a lot more convenient than having several screen reader is on a machine or soliciting cited assistance useful as that can be sometimes

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http://www.aqua-mail.com


On July 11, 2016 6:39:12 AM "Brian's Mail list account" <bglists@...> wrote:

I can say that using Firefox 46
The form works as it always did.
 I just donated 30 aus and OK the invalid input did come up as typing into
the boxes, but I suspect this is an artifact that until you finish it is
indeed wrong.
As usual had several goes at remembering the caps and  lower case in the
password, and it eventually accepted it and sent me through when I clicked
the  button or link for doing the donation.
My feeling here is that this is a browser issue if you cannot get it to
work, always try another browser. I did mention that the IE current updat is
a bit broken  as far as some accessibility is concerned, but its very very
spcific it seems as most of the time its fine.
Brian

bglists@...
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So do I!
And even the new dialogs for Transfer money are very acessible. You just
have to understand them...

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Clare Page
Data: segunda-feira, 11 de julho de 2016 15:27
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] The Paypal form..

Hi!
I use Paypal with Firefox all the time and never have problems with it.
It's
possible that other browsers don't display the Paypal site quite as well
as
Firefox does, but I haven't investigated that.
I've filled in several forms, on different websites, where it says
"invalid
entry" in some of the ttext fields, but those words disappear as soon as I
fill it whatever is necessary, so I would guess that "invalid entry" must
simply mean that you haven't yet filled in the appropriate text.
Bye for now!

From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik
burggraaf
Sent: lundi 11 juillet 2016 14:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] The Paypal form..

I don't remember Roger telling us what browser he's using but I feel I
have
to agree with Brian here this seems like a browser issue to me I was able
to
do the donation successfully using Google Chrome and voice over on the Mac
and yes the boxes did come up as invalid until I finish typing in them.
It would definitely be worth your while trying Firefox if you haven't
already if you have tried Firefox and the same thing happens please let us
know I think switching browsers is a lot more convenient than having
several
screen reader is on a machine or soliciting cited assistance useful as
that
can be sometimes

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On July 11, 2016 6:39:12 AM "Brian's Mail list account"
<bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

I can say that using Firefox 46
The form works as it always did.
I just donated 30 aus and OK the invalid input did come up as typing
into the boxes, but I suspect this is an artifact that until you
finish it is indeed wrong.
As usual had several goes at remembering the caps and lower case in
the password, and it eventually accepted it and sent me through when I
clicked the button or link for doing the donation.
My feeling here is that this is a browser issue if you cannot get it
to work, always try another browser. I did mention that the IE current
updat is a bit broken as far as some accessibility is concerned, but
its very very spcific it seems as most of the time its fine.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

Roger,  It sounds as if you have the ideal setup for what you want to do.  Well that's the good news.  The bad news is it makes it harder for us to diagnose.  I think we've exhausted any compatibility issues although if for some reason you're not running the latest NVDA, you might want to hit the update button.

Then we have to get into making sure you have a valid payment method on file, and looking at other things behind the scenes.

When something goes wrong, paypal has gotten decent at letting you know.  Near the top of the page there is usually a signpost that tells you if there are errors.  If you see one of those it would be helpful if you sent  us the text of the error.

Thanks,

Erik Burggraaf
Visit the out of work bum for your chance to win one of 10 KNFB Reader or Nearby Explorer for IOS or android!  

http://www.theoutofworkbum.work

Also check out my website for inclusion to the android platform for persons with sensery, physical or cognitive disabilities:

http://www.inclusiveandroid.com

On Jul 11, 2016, at 7:17 AM, Roger Stewart <paganus2@...> wrote:

I'm using Firefox and it is set as my default browser.

Roger









On 7/11/2016 7:50 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:

I don't remember Roger telling us what browser he's using but I feel I have to agree with Brian here this seems like a browser issue to me I was able to do the donation successfully using Google Chrome and voice over on the Mac and yes the boxes did come up as invalid until I finish typing in them. It would definitely be worth your while trying Firefox if you haven't already if you have tried Firefox and the same thing happens please let us know I think switching browsers is a lot more convenient than having several screen reader is on a machine or soliciting cited assistance useful as that can be sometimes

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On July 11, 2016 6:39:12 AM "Brian's Mail list account" <bglists@...> wrote:

I can say that using Firefox 46
The form works as it always did.
 I just donated 30 aus and OK the invalid input did come up as typing into
the boxes, but I suspect this is an artifact that until you finish it is
indeed wrong.
As usual had several goes at remembering the caps and  lower case in the
password, and it eventually accepted it and sent me through when I clicked
the  button or link for doing the donation.
My feeling here is that this is a browser issue if you cannot get it to
work, always try another browser. I did mention that the IE current updat is
a bit broken  as far as some accessibility is concerned, but its very very
spcific it seems as most of the time its fine.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

So do I!
And even the new dialogs for Transfer money are very acessible. You just
have to understand them...

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Clare Page
Data: segunda-feira, 11 de julho de 2016 15:27
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] The Paypal form..

Hi!
I use Paypal with Firefox all the time and never have problems with it. It's
possible that other browsers don't display the Paypal site quite as well as
Firefox does, but I haven't investigated that.
I've filled in several forms, on different websites, where it says "invalid
entry" in some of the ttext fields, but those words disappear as soon as I
fill it whatever is necessary, so I would guess that "invalid entry" must
simply mean that you haven't yet filled in the appropriate text.
Bye for now!

From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik
burggraaf
Sent: lundi 11 juillet 2016 14:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] The Paypal form..

I don't remember Roger telling us what browser he's using but I feel I have
to agree with Brian here this seems like a browser issue to me I was able to
do the donation successfully using Google Chrome and voice over on the Mac
and yes the boxes did come up as invalid until I finish typing in them.
It would definitely be worth your while trying Firefox if you haven't
already if you have tried Firefox and the same thing happens please let us
know I think switching browsers is a lot more convenient than having several
screen reader is on a machine or soliciting cited assistance useful as that
can be sometimes

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On July 11, 2016 6:39:12 AM "Brian's Mail list account"
<bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

I can say that using Firefox 46
The form works as it always did.
I just donated 30 aus and OK the invalid input did come up as typing
into the boxes, but I suspect this is an artifact that until you
finish it is indeed wrong.
As usual had several goes at remembering the caps and lower case in
the password, and it eventually accepted it and sent me through when I
clicked the button or link for doing the donation.
My feeling here is that this is a browser issue if you cannot get it
to work, always try another browser. I did mention that the IE current
updat is a bit broken as far as some accessibility is concerned, but
its very very spcific it seems as most of the time its fine.
Brian

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Sorry, no on both for now. nvda is my only screen reader. This is a
strange one. A year or so back they changed their page so much that it
took me a while to figure it out. However, it still seems to be the same
as it has always been. Everything works until the very last continue
button which would have sent the money but it just sits there.

Roger







On 7/10/2016 7:31 PM, Arlene wrote:

Hi, do you have any other screen reader either then NVDA? If you do. Try
it. if you don't get a sighted friend if you have one that will go to
your house to see if pay pal is broken.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger

Stewart
Sent: July-10-16 5:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Pay Pal broken again!

Don't know what's going on, but I can't use Pay Pal with nvda. It
appears to be just the same as it ever was, but after I do everything
and then the very last step of continue, nothing happens at all. There
are no error messages or anything. Can anyone tell me what they may have
changed? One thing I've been noticing is that nvda will always say
"invalid entry required" when I come to an edit field there. Maybe they
have really changed things so that I really need to enter something
invalid instead of my valid password.


Thanks.


Roger

I can say that using Firefox 46
The form works as it always did.
I just donated 30 aus and OK the invalid input did come up as typing
into the boxes, but I suspect this is an artifact that until you
finish it is indeed wrong.
As usual had several goes at remembering the caps and lower case in
the password, and it eventually accepted it and sent me through when I
clicked the button or link for doing the donation.
My feeling here is that this is a browser issue if you cannot get it
to work, always try another browser. I did mention that the IE current
updat is a bit broken as far as some accessibility is concerned, but
its very very spcific it seems as most of the time its fine.
Brian

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On Jul 11, 2016, at 7:17 AM, Roger Stewart <paganus2@...> wrote:

I'm using Firefox and it is set as my default browser.

Roger









On 7/11/2016 7:50 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:

I don't remember Roger telling us what browser he's using but I feel I have to agree with Brian here this seems like a browser issue to me I was able to do the donation successfully using Google Chrome and voice over on the Mac and yes the boxes did come up as invalid until I finish typing in them. It would definitely be worth your while trying Firefox if you haven't already if you have tried Firefox and the same thing happens please let us know I think switching browsers is a lot more convenient than having several screen reader is on a machine or soliciting cited assistance useful as that can be sometimes

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On July 11, 2016 6:39:12 AM "Brian's Mail list account" <bglists@...> wrote:

I can say that using Firefox 46
The form works as it always did.
 I just donated 30 aus and OK the invalid input did come up as typing into
the boxes, but I suspect this is an artifact that until you finish it is
indeed wrong.
As usual had several goes at remembering the caps and  lower case in the
password, and it eventually accepted it and sent me through when I clicked
the  button or link for doing the donation.
My feeling here is that this is a browser issue if you cannot get it to
work, always try another browser. I did mention that the IE current updat is
a bit broken  as far as some accessibility is concerned, but its very very
spcific it seems as most of the time its fine.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

Sorry, no on both for now. nvda is my only screen reader. This is a
strange one. A year or so back they changed their page so much that it
took me a while to figure it out. However, it still seems to be the same
as it has always been. Everything works until the very last continue
button which would have sent the money but it just sits there.

Roger







On 7/10/2016 7:31 PM, Arlene wrote:

Hi, do you have any other screen reader either then NVDA? If you do. Try
it. if you don't get a sighted friend if you have one that will go to
your house to see if pay pal is broken.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger

Stewart
Sent: July-10-16 5:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Pay Pal broken again!

Don't know what's going on, but I can't use Pay Pal with nvda. It
appears to be just the same as it ever was, but after I do everything
and then the very last step of continue, nothing happens at all. There
are no error messages or anything. Can anyone tell me what they may have
changed? One thing I've been noticing is that nvda will always say
"invalid entry required" when I come to an edit field there. Maybe they
have really changed things so that I really need to enter something
invalid instead of my valid password.


Thanks.


Roger

I can say that using Firefox 46
The form works as it always did.
I just donated 30 aus and OK the invalid input did come up as typing
into the boxes, but I suspect this is an artifact that until you
finish it is indeed wrong.
As usual had several goes at remembering the caps and lower case in
the password, and it eventually accepted it and sent me through when I
clicked the button or link for doing the donation.
My feeling here is that this is a browser issue if you cannot get it
to work, always try another browser. I did mention that the IE current
updat is a bit broken as far as some accessibility is concerned, but
its very very spcific it seems as most of the time its fine.
Brian

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and you can disconnect your internet for minutes to install the
program, then restart your internet connection.

On 7/10/16, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

Well the old CD burner xp still seems to work OK in 10, and is very easy
to use.

I'm sure there are many more. A word of warning if the installer uses
opencandy, sometimes this does not work with nvda making it hard to get
past

the 'suggested' software. Instead run it from a command prompt such as
filename.exe nocandy and it will bypass this
Brian

I don't remember Roger telling us what browser he's using but I feel I have to agree with Brian here this seems like a browser issue to me I was able to do the donation successfully using Google Chrome and voice over on the Mac and yes the boxes did come up as invalid until I finish typing in them. It would definitely be worth your while trying Firefox if you haven't already if you have tried Firefox and the same thing happens please let us know I think switching browsers is a lot more convenient than having several screen reader is on a machine or soliciting cited assistance useful as that can be sometimes

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On July 11, 2016 6:39:12 AM "Brian's Mail list account" <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

I can say that using Firefox 46
The form works as it always did.
I just donated 30 aus and OK the invalid input did come up as typing into
the boxes, but I suspect this is an artifact that until you finish it is
indeed wrong.
As usual had several goes at remembering the caps and lower case in the
password, and it eventually accepted it and sent me through when I clicked
the button or link for doing the donation.
My feeling here is that this is a browser issue if you cannot get it to
work, always try another browser. I did mention that the IE current updat is
a bit broken as far as some accessibility is concerned, but its very very
spcific it seems as most of the time its fine.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

I can say that using Firefox 46
The form works as it always did.
I just donated 30 aus and OK the invalid input did come up as typing into
the boxes, but I suspect this is an artifact that until you finish it is
indeed wrong.
As usual had several goes at remembering the caps and lower case in the
password, and it eventually accepted it and sent me through when I clicked
the button or link for doing the donation.
My feeling here is that this is a browser issue if you cannot get it to
work, always try another browser. I did mention that the IE current updat is
a bit broken as far as some accessibility is concerned, but its very very
spcific it seems as most of the time its fine.
Brian

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briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
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Hi,

On the contrary! I think PowerPoint is very accessible to both JAWS and NVDA
users. I am trying to collect the basic keystrokes that people are using so
that we can make a complete and up to date list available.

Your other questions relate to Open Office and MS Word. Both are excellent
products. If you are using Open Office then I would recommend that you keep
on using it.

What screen reader are you using?


All the best,

Cearbhall

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin
khaksar
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 6:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: Notes on NVDA and PowerPoint

hi.
i have many questions.
do you mean that powerpoint is not completely accessible for blinds?
or at least its accessibility and kkey strokes with using jaws is better
than nvda?
i use libreoffice and openoffice and when i press tab to go to different
objects, when my reading finish and i press alt+f4 to close the program, it
asks me do you want to save the changes?
i mean that pressing tab changes the presentations.
or do you think that word is the most accessible part of office programs for
blind users?
i appreciate any help and guide.
thanks so much for providing these notes.
i copied and saved them in my system.
specially sukil and Cearbhall i waite for your guide about my questions.
thanks extremely and God bless you all.

On 7/10/16, Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie> wrote:

Sukil,



I am using office 2010 and it looks as though something has changed
from
2007 as the keys “a” and “s” do nothing in slide show here. I agree
that the up and down arrows navigate the slide line by line and the
left and right arrows move from character to character. Indeed,
control+left and
control+right arrows move from word to word within the slide in slide
control+show
mode.



Later on, we could list the variations that work in different versions
of Office. For the moment, I am committed to getting an accurate
working set of instructions that will handle PowerPoint with NVDA in
as many versions as possible.



Do the steps that I have listed in my first message work in your 2007
version?





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Oops, seems ctrl and ctrl shift F6 don't do anything. Perhaps I
confused this version of Office with Office 2003.

For me, a and s work in the slideshow. I'm using Office 2007. Passing
through left and right arrows works as well.


El 10/07/2016 a las 1:09, Cearbhall O'Meadhra escribió:

Sukil,



I appreciate your taking the trouble to respond. However, I have tried
control and F6, etc., as you suggest but they have no function in
slide view or slide show modes. Lidewise, “s” and “d” or “a” have no
function.
Are these possibly JAWS commands? I see that JAWS uses a rake of
navigation keystrokes for PowerPoint. However, I am trying to assemble
a tutorial for using NVDA with PowerPoint.





All the best,



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Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: Notes on NVDA and PowerPoint



Hi,
You can also press ctrl+F6 or ctrl+shift+F6 to move forth and back
between pannels. And S and D (or was it A and S) also work to go to
the previous and next slide in the slideshow.

Regards,
Sukil

El 09/07/2016 a las 20:36, Cearbhall O'Meadhra escribió:

Hi,



I have been working all day on this topic and have put together the
following notes about using PowerPoint with NVDA. Please let me know
what you think of these notes. Have you any improvements to suggest?



I have used PowerPoint 2010 on Windows 10 using NVDA 2016.2 on my
Desktop Pc.



Notes on the use of PowerPoint with NVDA



1. File opens in slide view

2. Page Down moves from slide to slide showing the title pane



For the first slide:

3. Press tab to move to the title placeholder. NVDA reads the title of
the slide;

4. Press tab again to move to the subtitle placeholder. NVDA reads the
subtitle;

5. Press tab again to move to the embedded graphic. NVDA says
"Graphic" if no alt text;

6. Press tab again to move to rectangle shape.

7. Press tab again to return to the title placeholder at the top of
the slide



Press page down For the second slide:

8. Press tab to move to the title placeholder

9. Press tab to go to the text placeholder. NVDA reads all the text in
the placeholder

10. Press numpad 9 and numbpad 7 to read the text in the placeholder
line by line

11. Press tab to move to the graphic image. NVDA reports the location
of the graphic in the computer when the alt text has not been filled
in.



Press page down for the third slide

12. Press tab for the Title placeholder

13. Press tab for the object placeholder. NVDA reads all the text as
in the text placeholder at 9 above





Press pagedown for slide 4;

Same as slide 3.



Press page down for slide 5

15. Press tab for footer placeholder. NVDA reads all text in the
footer;

16. Press tab for slide number placeholder. NVDA reads out the number
of the slide;

17. Press tab for title placeholder

18. Press tab for text placeholder.

19. Press tab to return to the footer placeholder.



control+home jumps to the first slide

control+end jumps to the last slide.



The Slide Show



Press F5 to start the slide show

NVDA reads the whole slide from top to bottom including the title and
leaves the cursor at the bottom of the slide.

1. Press page down and page up to move from slide to slide. Note that
it may be necessary to wait for a few seconds between key presses to
allow the slide show to catch up;

2. Press numpad 9 and numpad 7 to read the contents of the slide line
by line.

3. Press return or space bar to move to the next slide. Sometimes
nothing happens and then do the instruction at 4 below.

4. Type the number of a slide followed by return to jump to that slide.

5. Press control-shift-s to switch back and forth between the slide
and its accompanying notes.

6. Use F6 to move between the status bar pane, slide view pane,
thumbnails pane and notes pane. Use the arrow keys to move through the
options available in each of these panes. Use F6 to move to the chosen
view to see the results.

7. Use the escape key to exit the slide show.

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Subject: RE: NVDA and PowerPoint



Hi again,



I am using PowerPoint 2010 with NVDA 2016.2 and Windows 10 on a desktop
PC.



All advice welcome, thanks!



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Subject: [nvda] NVDA and PowerPoint



Hi,



I have taken on a new project in which I have to be able to read
several PowerPoint presentations. Are there any guides for using
PowerPoint with NVDA? Can anyone give me any pointers from their own
experience?





All the best,



Cearbhall



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