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Problems with browse mode

John J. Boyer
 

I am using Braille. When I switch to browse mode with nvda+space I can
only see one line of the document. If I tether Braille to the review
cursor I get Top and Bottom when I press the numpad 7 and 9 keys. What
am I
doing wrong?

thanks,
John

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Re: where to learn programing

Jacob Kruger
 

For web-development, although some people don't like it, I still recommend, and return to it for reference material often enough, w3schools.com:
http://www.w3schools.com/

They have nice, step-by-step tutorials on various aspects of web content, programming, database manipulation/integration, etc. etc.

Stay well

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From: "Adrián Mena" <adrianm7m@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 4:57 PM
Subject: [nvda] where to learn programing


Hello guys, I would like to hear your recommendations about sites or
places where to learn programming or anything related to web sites or
computers on internet.
They can be paid or free.
Thank you.
Re: where to learn programing

Sheri Byrne-Haber
 

Apple is doing a tutorial for swift? A blind engineer participated in its development. Not an endorsement (I haven't tried it) but it might be useful?

https://developer.apple.com/swift/

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Subject: [nvda] where to learn programing

Hello guys, I would like to hear your recommendations about sites or places where to learn programming or anything related to web sites or computers on internet.
They can be paid or free.
Thank you.




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where to learn programing

Adrián Mena
 

Hello guys, I would like to hear your recommendations about sites or
places where to learn programming or anything related to web sites or
computers on internet.
They can be paid or free.
Thank you.
Re: NVDA as a toolbox?

Laurie Mehta
 

"tvalusek@seznam.cz" wrote, in part:

"...Remember, I use my eyes, not my ears to routinely navigate apps, but I'd like to make my life more comfortable ..."

Feedback...
Several practical methods for disabling NVDA's speech features have been offered for your convenience on this list already.
NVDA, is in fact, NON Visual Desktop Access, and it is well-designed for its intended purpose.
Hopefully, developer time and resources will not be pressed upon to make changes that may undermine the currently smooth performance of NVDA for its intended use.
--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 7/12/16, tvalusek@seznam.cz <tvalusek@seznam.cz> wrote:

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA as a toolbox?
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2016, 6:59 AM

Hello,
One reason why no screenreader is
running on my computer is it gets in my way when I'm
using it. I use my machine visually, but I'd just like
from time to time have the longer contents of a dialog box
read aloud, ask which window is currently active if I get a
beep instead of expected action to be done after switching
from on desktop to another, and other powerful tricks a
screenreader can do. When I tried to have NVDA launched in
background, I got unexpected behavior when I switched to a
browser window, since the browsing mode took away single
letter commands I'm using to navigate feedly, Google+
and other such sites. That's why I want an option to
have a from mode as a default when coming to a browser
window. Remember, I use my eyes, not my ears to routinely
navigate apps, but I'd like to make my life more
comfortable by employing some screenreader
features.
What seems to be an
easiest way to achieve what I want? To create an AutoHotkey
or AutoIt script which would catch NVDA-specific combos and
switch speech and form mode as needed. But I'd still
appreciate appropriate options in NVDA.
Tomas Valusek
Re: NVDA as a toolbox?

Andre Fisher
 

While I understand what you are saying and asking, I can only say that
I highly doubt that this type of behaviour will ever be taken up by
any developer at this time. This is quite subjective, and boarders on
making the screen reader unusable. If you don't use NVDA for the basic
purpose it was used for, you can either try turning off speech
(NVDA+s) and turning it back on when you encounter text you want to
read. NVDA+B can be your friend for this. Sleep mode (NVDA+Shift+S or
Z) can also be your friend, but it is app specific. Additionally, in
the Browse mode settings dialog, uncheck all the automatic settings to
your liking. Uncheck all the document formatting settings if you want
as well. Download the No Beeps speech mode add-on as well, but what
you are looking for is too subjective.

On 7/12/16, tvalusek@seznam.cz <tvalusek@seznam.cz> wrote:
Hello,

One reason why no screenreader is running on my computer is it gets in my
way when I'm using it. I use my machine visually, but I'd just like from
time to time have the longer contents of a dialog box read aloud, ask which
window is currently active if I get a beep instead of expected action to be
done after switching from on desktop to another, and other powerful tricks a
screenreader can do. When I tried to have NVDA launched in background, I got
unexpected behavior when I switched to a browser window, since the browsing
mode took away single letter commands I'm using to navigate feedly, Google+
and other such sites. That's why I want an option to have a from mode as a
default when coming to a browser window. Remember, I use my eyes, not my
ears to routinely navigate apps, but I'd like to make my life more
comfortable by employing some screenreader features.

What seems to be an easiest way to achieve what I want? To create an
AutoHotkey or AutoIt script which would catch NVDA-specific combos and
switch speech and form mode as needed. But I'd still appreciate appropriate
options in NVDA.

Tomas Valusek
Re: NVDA as a toolbox?

tvalusek@...
 

Hello,


One reason why no screenreader is running on my computer is it gets in my way when I'm using it. I use my machine visually, but I'd just like from time to time have the longer contents of a dialog box read aloud, ask which window is currently active if I get a beep instead of expected action to be done after switching from on desktop to another, and other powerful tricks a screenreader can do. When I tried to have NVDA launched in background, I got unexpected behavior when I switched to a browser window, since the browsing mode took away single letter commands I'm using to navigate feedly, Google+ and other such sites. That's why I want an option to have a from mode as a default when coming to a browser window. Remember, I use my eyes, not my ears to routinely navigate apps, but I'd like to make my life more comfortable by employing some screenreader features.


What seems to be an easiest way to achieve what I want? To create an AutoHotkey or AutoIt script which would catch NVDA-specific combos and switch speech and form mode as needed. But I'd still appreciate appropriate options in NVDA.


Tomas Valusek
Re: NVDA as a toolbox?

Gene
 

I'm not sure just what kind of command you have in mind nor just what speech you want available and not.  There are many screen-review commands that don't use the NVDA key such as read current line.  Rather that stipulate a single key as determining when feedback is given, it might be far more useful to explain just how and in what kinds of specific cases you want feed back.  
 
I don't know if implementing your suggestions is practical but you might get better comments with more explanation. 
 
Also, you don't talk about if or when you use a magnifier.  Perhaps for some or most of your uses, a good magnifier program might meet your needs better than a screen-reader. 
 
Asking for suggestions and recommendations might yield better help with your needs.   
 
Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA as a toolbox?

Yeah - and do it 50 times a day and you will be very amused.
Re: NVDA as a toolbox?

Clare Page <clare.page@...>
 

Hi!

To toggle NVDA’s sleep mode on and off, the keystroke is NVDA+shift+s: this is better than the speech mode toggle as it only has On and Off to toggle through. I don’t know of any way to make NVDA go automatically into sleep mode in certain places, but at least you only need one keystroke to make NVDA sleep and to bring back NVDA when you need it again.

I hope this helps!

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: mardi 12 juillet 2016 12:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA as a toolbox?

 

It would make no sense to have a forms mode by default option for browsing.  For one thing, the screen-reader would still speak in forms mode.  If you want the screen-reader not to interfere with your browsing, put it to sleep when you run the browser.  It is completely inactive then.  Do you know the sleep command?  I've used it so seldom that I'm not sure I remember it now but I'm sure others know it. 

 

Gene

------ Original Message ------From: tvalusek@...

Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 1:31 AM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA as a toolbox?

 

Hello,

 

I can still use my eyes, although they are very week. I don't like the fact screenreaders still speak, but turning speech on and off frequently is cumbersome. It would be nice if there was an option to turn off the kind of speech I call "automatic feedback". I don't need focus reporting, automatic active window reporting, and other such things, but I'd like to have instant spoken feedback when I invoke screenreader command involving NVDA key. It would be also nice if there was a way to set form mode as a default for web browsing.

 

The suggestions above are meant to enable a "toolbox mode" for NVDA, where it silently sits in background, not interfering in common computer use, but ready to speak whenever it's asked to. It would really enhance my user experience when working in Windows.

 

Tomas Valusek
Re: NVDA as a toolbox?

Gene
 

It would make no sense to have a forms mode by default option for browsing.  For one thing, the screen-reader would still speak in forms mode.  If you want the screen-reader not to interfere with your browsing, put it to sleep when you run the browser.  It is completely inactive then.  Do you know the sleep command?  I've used it so seldom that I'm not sure I remember it now but I'm sure others know it. 
 
Gene

------ Original Message ------From: tvalusek@...
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 1:31 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA as a toolbox?

Hello,


I can still use my eyes, although they are very week. I don't like the fact screenreaders still speak, but turning speech on and off frequently is cumbersome. It would be nice if there was an option to turn off the kind of speech I call "automatic feedback". I don't need focus reporting, automatic active window reporting, and other such things, but I'd like to have instant spoken feedback when I invoke screenreader command involving NVDA key. It would be also nice if there was a way to set form mode as a default for web browsing.


The suggestions above are meant to enable a "toolbox mode" for NVDA, where it silently sits in background, not interfering in common computer use, but ready to speak whenever it's asked to. It would really enhance my user experience when working in Windows.


Tomas Valusek
Re: NVDA as a toolbox?

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Tomas,


You can keep NVDA running and turn off many of the features you don't wish to hear by using the keystrokes NVDA +5, NVDA + 6 and NVDA + 7 which toggle on and off dynamic changes, and changes due to review and focus changes. Try those keystrokes and see if you get significantly less vocal feedback.

On 7/12/2016 2:31 AM, tvalusek@seznam.cz wrote:
Hello,

I can still use my eyes, although they are very week. I don't like the fact screenreaders still speak, but turning speech on and off frequently is cumbersome. It would be nice if there was an option to turn off the kind of speech I call "automatic feedback". I don't need focus reporting, automatic active window reporting, and other such things, but I'd like to have instant spoken feedback when I invoke screenreader command involving NVDA key. It would be also nice if there was a way to set form mode as a default for web browsing.

The suggestions above are meant to enable a "toolbox mode" for NVDA, where it silently sits in background, not interfering in common computer use, but ready to speak whenever it's asked to. It would really enhance my user experience when working in Windows.

Tomas Valusek
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Re: Installing windows 10 with A Portable copy of NVDA

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To be honest I'd shove in a borrowed full keyboard at least to start with. I've not installed win 10 forom scratch, or do you mean to updat it? I ythink at some point you have to rely on narrator for a bit, but I'd say why not install nvda on it beforehand and just not have it auto run?
At least then it will work on protected screens when windows boots up, the portable version cannot do this.
Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 12:52 AM
Subject: [nvda] Installing windows 10 with A Portable copy of NVDA


Hi all! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you,is it possible to install windows 10 with a portable copy of NVDA? I have the portable copy on my USV drive or thunmb drive. If so, waht are the steps in doing so? I'm jus wondering since I want to do this in a laptop computer that does not have an screen reader on it and it does not have the nonpad number keys. And I have another question, I want to use the NVDA key, which is the insert key, but since this computer does not have a nonpad where I can use it, how can I make the caps lock key to act as the NVDA key or insert key? I look forward in hering from you soon with any suggestions! regarding this matter. Thanks so much and God bless! regarding this matter!

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Re: The Paypal form..

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Maybe and its far from my thoughts to suggest you might have let it laps, but perhaps the card you specified is no longer valid, but it should then suggest you set up a payment method instead. I just cannot see where the problem is as it seems to be well protected against silly entries and normally suggests a course of action to you if it goes wrong
It might be something really daft like the currency is not allowed to be transferred in that country or something. Here in the UK its a bit hard to judge as everything defaults and it even gives you the exchange rate.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The Paypal form..


I'd very much appreciate this. I just tried to send money to my friend
again this morning and I get the same problem. Everything seems normal
until after I've filled in the amount I want to send and type in a brief
message. Next thing I tab to is a link saying please choose a payment
method. It used to bring up a screen with the choices of my bank account
or my Visa card. Now all that happens when I choose this link is Firefox
makes a familiar click and I'm right back with the amount reset to zero
and my message to my friend deleted out. I just tried this several
times this morning, and the behavior is totally circular--that is it's
just stuck in an endless loop and I never get to chose a payment method
or get to the page where it just says send money now. I did send a
message similar to this to PayPal and will see what they may have to say
about it. Something has obviously changed on their page setup and nvda
isn't catching it for me.

Thanks.

Roger







On 7/11/2016 12:16 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
Hmmm, I could probably get you a tutorial sometime this week. I have
a support call this afternoon and my windows virtual machine is being
a huge brat lately. If no one gets to it before I do though, I'll put
something up.

If NVDA doesn't have a spot for hosting such things I can do it from
my new site.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
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On Jul 11, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Roger Stewart <paganus2@gmail.com
<mailto:paganus2@gmail.com>> wrote:

If there were any errors, nvda didn't report any. There may be
something but if the screen reader can't see it then neither can I.
I am using the latest stable nvda--2016.2.1

Roger









On 7/11/2016 9:43 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
Roger, It sounds as if you have the ideal setup for what you want
to do. Well that's the good news. The bad news is it makes it
harder for us to diagnose. I think we've exhausted any
compatibility issues although if for some reason you're not running
the latest NVDA, you might want to hit the update button.

Then we have to get into making sure you have a valid payment method
on file, and looking at other things behind the scenes.

When something goes wrong, paypal has gotten decent at letting you
know. Near the top of the page there is usually a signpost that
tells you if there are errors. If you see one of those it would be
helpful if you sent us the text of the error.

Thanks,

Erik Burggraaf
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On Jul 11, 2016, at 7:17 AM, Roger Stewart <paganus2@gmail.com
<mailto:paganus2@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'm using Firefox and it is set as my default browser.

Roger









On 7/11/2016 7:50 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
I don't remember Roger telling us what browser he's using but I
feel I have to agree with Brian here this seems like a browser
issue to me I was able to do the donation successfully using
Google Chrome and voice over on the Mac and yes the boxes did come
up as invalid until I finish typing in them. It would definitely
be worth your while trying Firefox if you haven't already if you
have tried Firefox and the same thing happens please let us know I
think switching browsers is a lot more convenient than having
several screen reader is on a machine or soliciting cited
assistance useful as that can be sometimes

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On July 11, 2016 6:39:12 AM "Brian's Mail list account"
<bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

I can say that using Firefox 46
The form works as it always did.
I just donated 30 aus and OK the invalid input did come up as
typing into
the boxes, but I suspect this is an artifact that until you
finish it is
indeed wrong.
As usual had several goes at remembering the caps and lower case
in the
password, and it eventually accepted it and sent me through when
I clicked
the button or link for doing the donation.
My feeling here is that this is a browser issue if you cannot get
it to
work, always try another browser. I did mention that the IE
current updat is
a bit broken as far as some accessibility is concerned, but its
very very
spcific it seems as most of the time its fine.
Brian

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Re: The Paypal form..

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But its really not that different is it. At least the combo boxes work properly.
Also if you have a payment method set up already then it seems eveneasier than before.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The Paypal form..


Sounds like you should do a tutorial on using PayPal. I'd sure appreciate learning how to use it in it's new form.

Roger








On 7/11/2016 9:59 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
So do I!
And even the new dialogs for Transfer money are very acessible. You just
have to understand them...

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Clare Page
Data: segunda-feira, 11 de julho de 2016 15:27
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] The Paypal form..

Hi!
I use Paypal with Firefox all the time and never have problems with it. It's
possible that other browsers don't display the Paypal site quite as well as
Firefox does, but I haven't investigated that.
I've filled in several forms, on different websites, where it says "invalid
entry" in some of the ttext fields, but those words disappear as soon as I
fill it whatever is necessary, so I would guess that "invalid entry" must
simply mean that you haven't yet filled in the appropriate text.
Bye for now!
From Clare
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik
burggraaf
Sent: lundi 11 juillet 2016 14:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] The Paypal form..

I don't remember Roger telling us what browser he's using but I feel I have
to agree with Brian here this seems like a browser issue to me I was able to
do the donation successfully using Google Chrome and voice over on the Mac
and yes the boxes did come up as invalid until I finish typing in them.
It would definitely be worth your while trying Firefox if you haven't
already if you have tried Firefox and the same thing happens please let us
know I think switching browsers is a lot more convenient than having several
screen reader is on a machine or soliciting cited assistance useful as that
can be sometimes

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On July 11, 2016 6:39:12 AM "Brian's Mail list account"
<bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

I can say that using Firefox 46
The form works as it always did.
I just donated 30 aus and OK the invalid input did come up as typing
into the boxes, but I suspect this is an artifact that until you
finish it is indeed wrong.
As usual had several goes at remembering the caps and lower case in
the password, and it eventually accepted it and sent me through when I
clicked the button or link for doing the donation.
My feeling here is that this is a browser issue if you cannot get it
to work, always try another browser. I did mention that the IE current
updat is a bit broken as far as some accessibility is concerned, but
its very very spcific it seems as most of the time its fine.
Brian

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Re: Pay Pal broken again!

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In this case there is really no involvement in a new way. the only reasons why that link ofr button to do the donation fails are.
1 the button is not in focus
2 you misstyped something, but then it normally throws you back to the offending field to try again.

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From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pay Pal broken again!


There are no problem, at least using Firefox and NVDA!

People just need how to use the new way...

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Chris
Data: segunda-feira, 11 de julho de 2016 15:29
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Pay Pal broken again!

Try contacting paypal themselves to see at least they are aware of the
problem and can help resolve it or if they are not aware then make them
aware of the problem




-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
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Sent: 11 July 2016 10:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pay Pal broken again!

Not tried it since the last issue of nvda whenI sent a donation that way.
Have you tried other browsers. There was aknown bug in IE11 recent update
where some buttons were not activated. I'm sure Microsoft will fix it
eventually maybe.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pay Pal broken again!


Sorry, no on both for now. nvda is my only screen reader. This is a
strange one. A year or so back they changed their page so much that it
took me a while to figure it out. However, it still seems to be the same
as it has always been. Everything works until the very last continue
button which would have sent the money but it just sits there.

Roger







On 7/10/2016 7:31 PM, Arlene wrote:
Hi, do you have any other screen reader either then NVDA? If you do. Try
it. if you don't get a sighted friend if you have one that will go to
your house to see if pay pal is broken.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger
Stewart
Sent: July-10-16 5:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Pay Pal broken again!

Don't know what's going on, but I can't use Pay Pal with nvda. It
appears to be just the same as it ever was, but after I do everything
and then the very last step of continue, nothing happens at all. There
are no error messages or anything. Can anyone tell me what they may have
changed? One thing I've been noticing is that nvda will always say
"invalid entry required" when I come to an edit field there. Maybe they
have really changed things so that I really need to enter something
invalid instead of my valid password.


Thanks.


Roger
Re: The Paypal form..

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I find them far better than the old ones in the main.
More logical.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The Paypal form..


So do I!
And even the new dialogs for Transfer money are very acessible. You just have to understand them...

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Clare Page
Data: segunda-feira, 11 de julho de 2016 15:27
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] The Paypal form..

Hi!
I use Paypal with Firefox all the time and never have problems with it. It's
possible that other browsers don't display the Paypal site quite as well as
Firefox does, but I haven't investigated that.
I've filled in several forms, on different websites, where it says "invalid
entry" in some of the ttext fields, but those words disappear as soon as I
fill it whatever is necessary, so I would guess that "invalid entry" must
simply mean that you haven't yet filled in the appropriate text.
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik
burggraaf
Sent: lundi 11 juillet 2016 14:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] The Paypal form..

I don't remember Roger telling us what browser he's using but I feel I have
to agree with Brian here this seems like a browser issue to me I was able to
do the donation successfully using Google Chrome and voice over on the Mac
and yes the boxes did come up as invalid until I finish typing in them.
It would definitely be worth your while trying Firefox if you haven't
already if you have tried Firefox and the same thing happens please let us
know I think switching browsers is a lot more convenient than having several
screen reader is on a machine or soliciting cited assistance useful as that
can be sometimes

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On July 11, 2016 6:39:12 AM "Brian's Mail list account"
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I can say that using Firefox 46
The form works as it always did.
I just donated 30 aus and OK the invalid input did come up as typing
into the boxes, but I suspect this is an artifact that until you
finish it is indeed wrong.
As usual had several goes at remembering the caps and lower case in
the password, and it eventually accepted it and sent me through when I
clicked the button or link for doing the donation.
My feeling here is that this is a browser issue if you cannot get it
to work, always try another browser. I did mention that the IE current
updat is a bit broken as far as some accessibility is concerned, but
its very very spcific it seems as most of the time its fine.
Brian

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Re: Pay Pal broken again!

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I think we know now that its not paypal, its probably a browser add on which is doing this. I recall a proxy can caause this issue, and some anti virus solutions install a proxy.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris" <chrismedley@btinternet.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pay Pal broken again!


Try contacting paypal themselves to see at least they are aware of the
problem and can help resolve it or if they are not aware then make them
aware of the problem




-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account
Sent: 11 July 2016 10:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pay Pal broken again!

Not tried it since the last issue of nvda whenI sent a donation that way.
Have you tried other browsers. There was aknown bug in IE11 recent update
where some buttons were not activated. I'm sure Microsoft will fix it
eventually maybe.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pay Pal broken again!


Sorry, no on both for now. nvda is my only screen reader. This is a
strange one. A year or so back they changed their page so much that it
took me a while to figure it out. However, it still seems to be the same
as it has always been. Everything works until the very last continue
button which would have sent the money but it just sits there.

Roger







On 7/10/2016 7:31 PM, Arlene wrote:
Hi, do you have any other screen reader either then NVDA? If you do. Try
it. if you don't get a sighted friend if you have one that will go to
your house to see if pay pal is broken.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger
Stewart
Sent: July-10-16 5:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Pay Pal broken again!

Don't know what's going on, but I can't use Pay Pal with nvda. It
appears to be just the same as it ever was, but after I do everything
and then the very last step of continue, nothing happens at all. There
are no error messages or anything. Can anyone tell me what they may have
changed? One thing I've been noticing is that nvda will always say
"invalid entry required" when I come to an edit field there. Maybe they
have really changed things so that I really need to enter something
invalid instead of my valid password.


Thanks.


Roger
Re: The Paypal form..

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Yes you find this a lot. I think its because these fields are dynamic and nvda is attempting to read them as they update. Its a bit like google instant, they should be ways to stop this from happening but you just close your ears or cut and paste email and passwrd.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Clare Page" <clare.page@wanadoo.fr>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The Paypal form..


Hi!
I use Paypal with Firefox all the time and never have problems with it. It's
possible that other browsers don't display the Paypal site quite as well as
Firefox does, but I haven't investigated that.
I've filled in several forms, on different websites, where it says "invalid
entry" in some of the ttext fields, but those words disappear as soon as I
fill it whatever is necessary, so I would guess that "invalid entry" must
simply mean that you haven't yet filled in the appropriate text.
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik
burggraaf
Sent: lundi 11 juillet 2016 14:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] The Paypal form..

I don't remember Roger telling us what browser he's using but I feel I have
to agree with Brian here this seems like a browser issue to me I was able to
do the donation successfully using Google Chrome and voice over on the Mac
and yes the boxes did come up as invalid until I finish typing in them.
It would definitely be worth your while trying Firefox if you haven't
already if you have tried Firefox and the same thing happens please let us
know I think switching browsers is a lot more convenient than having several
screen reader is on a machine or soliciting cited assistance useful as that
can be sometimes

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On July 11, 2016 6:39:12 AM "Brian's Mail list account"
<bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

I can say that using Firefox 46
The form works as it always did.
I just donated 30 aus and OK the invalid input did come up as typing
into the boxes, but I suspect this is an artifact that until you
finish it is indeed wrong.
As usual had several goes at remembering the caps and lower case in
the password, and it eventually accepted it and sent me through when I
clicked the button or link for doing the donation.
My feeling here is that this is a browser issue if you cannot get it
to work, always try another browser. I did mention that the IE current
updat is a bit broken as far as some accessibility is concerned, but
its very very spcific it seems as most of the time its fine.
Brian

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What add ins are in firefox?
Also of course have you tried a clean install of Firefox, as if its been updated it can end up a bit of a mess.
I'd currently not reckon you should use 48 beta or any of the 64bit builds of Firefox, all have some quirks. 46 is pretty stable, but 47 is slow on some machines.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The Paypal form..


I'm using Firefox and it is set as my default browser.

Roger









On 7/11/2016 7:50 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
I don't remember Roger telling us what browser he's using but I feel I have to agree with Brian here this seems like a browser issue to me I was able to do the donation successfully using Google Chrome and voice over on the Mac and yes the boxes did come up as invalid until I finish typing in them. It would definitely be worth your while trying Firefox if you haven't already if you have tried Firefox and the same thing happens please let us know I think switching browsers is a lot more convenient than having several screen reader is on a machine or soliciting cited assistance useful as that can be sometimes

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On July 11, 2016 6:39:12 AM "Brian's Mail list account" <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

I can say that using Firefox 46
The form works as it always did.
I just donated 30 aus and OK the invalid input did come up as typing into
the boxes, but I suspect this is an artifact that until you finish it is
indeed wrong.
As usual had several goes at remembering the caps and lower case in the
password, and it eventually accepted it and sent me through when I clicked
the button or link for doing the donation.
My feeling here is that this is a browser issue if you cannot get it to
work, always try another browser. I did mention that the IE current updat is
a bit broken as far as some accessibility is concerned, but its very very
spcific it seems as most of the time its fine.
Brian

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As I say I have no issue with the form in firefox 46 with nvda, so wondered if it was a browser issue. There have been button issues with ie11 recently reported for blind use.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pay Pal broken again!


failing that, make the attempt using your smart phone if you have the paypal app on said device.


On 11/07/2016 11:15, Arlene wrote:
Hi, see if you can get a sighted friend to look at your screen when you go to that site. It should be a sighted person you trust!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: July-10-16 5:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pay Pal broken again!

Sorry, no on both for now. nvda is my only screen reader. This is a strange one. A year or so back they changed their page so much that it took me a while to figure it out. However, it still seems to be the same as it has always been. Everything works until the very last continue button which would have sent the money but it just sits there.

Roger







On 7/10/2016 7:31 PM, Arlene wrote:
Hi, do you have any other screen reader either then NVDA? If you do. Try it. if you don’t get a sighted friend if you have one that will go to your house to see if pay pal is broken.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Roger Stewart
Sent: July-10-16 5:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Pay Pal broken again!

Don't know what's going on, but I can't use Pay Pal with nvda. It
appears to be just the same as it ever was, but after I do everything
and then the very last step of continue, nothing happens at all.
There are no error messages or anything. Can anyone tell me what they
may have changed? One thing I've been noticing is that nvda will
always say "invalid entry required" when I come to an edit field
there. Maybe they have really changed things so that I really need to
enter something invalid instead of my valid password.


Thanks.


Roger
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