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Re: OpenOffice or LibreOffice

 

i cant use spred sheet and i dont know how to use it.
but i know that it is accessible because i studied the bugzilla.

On 7/11/16, Dean Masters <dwmasters15@gmail.com> wrote:

Have you tried the spreadsheet? Were you able to use it?

Dean

-----Original Message-----
From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 4:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OpenOffice or LibreOffice

hi.
they both have the property that you can report your bugs and issues.
for example: you can report your bug about using libreoffice in this
site after registration.
www.bugs.libreoffice.org
i prefer libreoffice for many reasons, like:
support for different languages in its menu,
(i mean its user interface)
support all formats of microsoft office and many programs,
more features in comparission to openoffice, and the most important,
its group which are very friendly, kind, honest and intimate.

On 7/11/16, Kenny Peyattt jr. <p.wildcat1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Do they have a bug tracker you can post issues in so they can get that
fixed? That was the same issue I was having with libreoffice. But I
couldant
find anywhere on the website to post issues.
Kenny Peyatt jr.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
Mehler
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 9:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OpenOffice or LibreOffice

Hello,

I have tried Libre office both with NVDA and jaws. In both cases it's
got a nasty habit at least on my machines of loosing focus, a lot,
like coming out of menus, saving documents, it's quite frustrating.
I've since uninstalled it.

Thanks.
Dave.


On 7/10/16, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, Dean,

I tried libre office but didn't really care for it too much. I think
open
office works better.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dean
Masters
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 5:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OpenOffice or LibreOffice

I read the article but does that mean Libera Office will be more
accessible?

I tried it earlier this year and found I could not use the spreadsheet
at
all with another screen reader. so I went back to Open Office.

Dean


-----Original Message-----
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 6:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OpenOffice or LibreOffice

I looked into this last year. How to Geek has a good comparison
article:
http://www.howtogeek.com/187663/openoffice-vs.-libreoffice-whats-the-difference-and-which-should-you-use/

Basically LibreOffice has been more frequently updated and has a
slightly
more "classic" (Say Microsoft Office pre the ribbon) look and Open
Office
has a few more side bar options.

In terms of accessibility I'm not sure which is ahead though being
updated
more often, if you encounter a problem, it might be easier to get it
addressed in LIbreOffice.

Note that there is also Open365, an online office suite based on
LibreOffice: https://open365.io/

Essentially it looks similar to LibreOffice but runs in a browser. As
you
can probably guess..... steer clear of that one ;) I tried it a month
or
so
ago and while I could get around the system tray component, the actual
say
word processor was unusable. Even aside from accessibility issues
(which
were enough to nix it on their own - it was sooo slow! I couldn't put
up
with it on that basis alone
either. I'm on ADSL 2 and while I wouldn't boast it to be the best
connection in the world, it's not THAT bad that it should have made that
much difference.

Kind regards

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On 11 July 2016 at 04:55, mk360 <mk.seventhson@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,


I know that it was asked before, but versions are updated regularly
and well, now I'm searching for the option... apparently LO is the
best, but I don't know...

So, any info will be apreciated... note that I can install LO and OO
simultanously, so if you can say what is the best for what option...


Thanks,

mk.


















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Re: NVDA as a toolbox?

tvalusek@...
 

Yeah - and do it 50 times a day and you will be very amused.


Re: NVDA as a toolbox?

Aravind R
 

press insert+s to turn off and on speach

On 7/12/16, tvalusek@seznam.cz <tvalusek@seznam.cz> wrote:
Hello,

I can still use my eyes, although they are very week. I don't like the fact
screenreaders still speak, but turning speech on and off frequently is
cumbersome. It would be nice if there was an option to turn off the kind of
speech I call "automatic feedback". I don't need focus reporting, automatic
active window reporting, and other such things, but I'd like to have instant
spoken feedback when I invoke screenreader command involving NVDA key. It
would be also nice if there was a way to set form mode as a default for web
browsing.

The suggestions above are meant to enable a "toolbox mode" for NVDA, where
it silently sits in background, not interfering in common computer use, but
ready to speak whenever it's asked to. It would really enhance my user
experience when working in Windows.

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NVDA as a toolbox?

tvalusek@...
 

Hello,


I can still use my eyes, although they are very week. I don't like the fact screenreaders still speak, but turning speech on and off frequently is cumbersome. It would be nice if there was an option to turn off the kind of speech I call "automatic feedback". I don't need focus reporting, automatic active window reporting, and other such things, but I'd like to have instant spoken feedback when I invoke screenreader command involving NVDA key. It would be also nice if there was a way to set form mode as a default for web browsing.


The suggestions above are meant to enable a "toolbox mode" for NVDA, where it silently sits in background, not interfering in common computer use, but ready to speak whenever it's asked to. It would really enhance my user experience when working in Windows.


Tomas Valusek


Re: amizon tablit

David Tanner
 

Yes they can use the Amazon fire 7 inch tablet and several others. The 7 inch tablet is very inexpensive but has built-in speech and offers a lot to the beginner user including ease of use. Fire 7 inch list for $49.9

Sent from my iPod

On Jul 11, 2016, at 2:48 AM, Isaac <bigikemusic@...> wrote:

Hi, can the blind use an amizon tablit or how about a chrome tablet


Re: Installing windows 10 with A Portable copy of NVDA

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Helga


Is the upgrade of Windows from a usb stick or a upgrade from the pc?


There is a program that you can use for a clean install but you must have your serail number this can be found at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html

It is called Windows PE and on that page is a link to the website of where you can get it from. I have not used it but others have.


The second question is under the keyboard settings on your pc there are 3 check boxs one for the insert key one for the extended insert key and the last for the capslock key. Check the last one and you should be able to use the capslock key. If you need to use the capslock key like normal you have to hit it 2 times until you hear it go on and 2 times to make it go off.


On my pc here i have all 3 checked and i can use any combo of them, but then again I have all 3 keys.


Your computer might also have a extended insert key or a insert key there some where it might be a good idea for some one to have a look just in case there is.


Gene nz



On 12/07/2016 11:52 AM, Helga Schreiber wrote:
Hi all! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you,is it possible to install windows 10 with a portable copy of NVDA? I have the portable copy on my USV drive or thunmb drive.  If so, waht are  the steps in doing so? I'm jus wondering since I want to do this in a laptop  computer that does not  have an  screen reader on it and it does not have   the  nonpad number keys. And I have another question, I want to use the  NVDA key, which is  the  insert key, but since  this  computer does not have a nonpad where I can use it, how  can I make the caps lock key to act as the NVDA key or insert key? I look forward in hering from you soon with any suggestions! regarding this matter. Thanks so much and God bless! regarding this matter!

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Re: Windows 10 Mail app not speaking as I type

David Moore
 

Hi,
Try to have NVDA speak characters. The last time I used NVDA in the win10 mail app, I did not have this trouble. I will check it out later and let you know what I find and I will see how to fix the problem.
David Moore
 
 

From: Isaac
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 3:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Mail app not speaking as I type
 
yeh for me as well
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 2:38 AM
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 Mail app not speaking as I type
 

If I hit CTRL plus N for a new message or CTRL plus R to reply to a message in the Windows 10 Mail app, NVDA says “Message edit read only” and then nothing, whether I arrow back to correct something or just keep typing. Review mode does not work either.

 

In a new message, it does not speak as I type the Subject, but if I go back to correct a word it does speak the subject.

 

Is there a trick to getting it to speak text as I type?

 

I have NVDA set to speak words, not characters. I think I am up to date with NVDA at version 2016.2.1 and the Mail app at version 17. Brian


Re: free CD-burning program that will work well with NVDA

 

What is interesting, opencandy itself is not malware but its list of programs are not what you would want in fact they seem to be one sided.
For a while I had some codecs that advocated for other opensource software including vlc of all things.
But later on it was just stuff I don't want.

On 12/07/2016 11:45 a.m., Roger Stewart wrote:
You'll know something is going on when you start installing. There will
be screen after screen asking if you want to install one thing or
another which have nothing at all to do with the program you really want
to install. They are very sneaky and sometimes if you uncheck a box you
will actually be installing the malware instead of declining it.

Roger








On 7/11/2016 5:14 PM, Sukil Etxenike via Groups.io wrote:
Hi,

Obvious question: how do I know if an installer uses Opencandy?

Regards,

Sukil



El 10/07/2016 a las 12:55, Brian's Mail list account escribió:
Well the old CD burner xp still seems to work OK in 10, and is very
easy to use.

I'm sure there are many more. A word of warning if the installer uses
opencandy, sometimes this does not work with nvda making it hard to
get past the ;suggested' software. Instead run it from a command
prompt such as
filename.exe nocandy
and it will bypass this
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemarie Chavarria"
<knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 9:33 PM
Subject: [nvda] free CD-burning program that will work well with NVDA


Hi, everyone,



I've been trying to burn a CD for a friend with windows 10 but I'm
finding
it very complicated. What is a good free CD-burning program that
will work
well with NVDA?



Thanks for your help in advance.



Rosemarie









Installing windows 10 with A Portable copy of NVDA

Helga Schreiber
 

Hi all! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you,is it possible to install windows 10 with a portable copy of NVDA? I have the portable copy on my USV drive or thunmb drive.  If so, waht are  the steps in doing so? I'm jus wondering since I want to do this in a laptop  computer that does not  have an  screen reader on it and it does not have   the  nonpad number keys. And I have another question, I want to use the  NVDA key, which is  the  insert key, but since  this  computer does not have a nonpad where I can use it, how  can I make the caps lock key to act as the NVDA key or insert key? I look forward in hering from you soon with any suggestions! regarding this matter. Thanks so much and God bless! regarding this matter!

Helga Schreiber 

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
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Re: free CD-burning program that will work well with NVDA

Roger Stewart
 

You'll know something is going on when you start installing. There will be screen after screen asking if you want to install one thing or another which have nothing at all to do with the program you really want to install. They are very sneaky and sometimes if you uncheck a box you will actually be installing the malware instead of declining it.

Roger

On 7/11/2016 5:14 PM, Sukil Etxenike via Groups.io wrote:
Hi,

Obvious question: how do I know if an installer uses Opencandy?

Regards,

Sukil



El 10/07/2016 a las 12:55, Brian's Mail list account escribió:
Well the old CD burner xp still seems to work OK in 10, and is very easy to use.

I'm sure there are many more. A word of warning if the installer uses opencandy, sometimes this does not work with nvda making it hard to get past the ;suggested' software. Instead run it from a command prompt such as
filename.exe nocandy
and it will bypass this
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 9:33 PM
Subject: [nvda] free CD-burning program that will work well with NVDA


Hi, everyone,



I've been trying to burn a CD for a friend with windows 10 but I'm finding
it very complicated. What is a good free CD-burning program that will work
well with NVDA?



Thanks for your help in advance.



Rosemarie






Re: free CD-burning program that will work well with NVDA

Sukil Etxenike <sukiletxe@...>
 

Hi,

Obvious question: how do I know if an installer uses Opencandy?

Regards,

Sukil

El 10/07/2016 a las 12:55, Brian's Mail list account escribió:
Well the old CD burner xp still seems to work OK in 10, and is very easy to use.

I'm sure there are many more. A word of warning if the installer uses opencandy, sometimes this does not work with nvda making it hard to get past the ;suggested' software. Instead run it from a command prompt such as
filename.exe nocandy
and it will bypass this
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 9:33 PM
Subject: [nvda] free CD-burning program that will work well with NVDA


Hi, everyone,



I've been trying to burn a CD for a friend with windows 10 but I'm finding
it very complicated. What is a good free CD-burning program that will work
well with NVDA?



Thanks for your help in advance.



Rosemarie



Re: How do I subscribe to the NVDA development list?

Antony Stone
 

Try contacting nvda-devel-request@lists.sourceforge.net for assistance, then.

The confirmation email should arrive within a few minutes - it's automated.

The developers' list is definitely still hosted at sourceforge - it did not get
moved when the users' list did.


Antony.

On Monday 11 July 2016 at 23:57:51, John J. Boyer wrote:

I filled out the form on the Sourceforge page given below last Monday,
but I have not received a message asking for confirmation. The page may
be out of date, because it gives the address of a list on Freelists, not
this list, for users.

John

On Mon, Jul 04, 2016 at 02:43:17PM +0200, Antony Stone wrote:
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nvda-devel

Antony.

On Monday 04 July 2016 at 14:16:11, John J. Boyer wrote:
NVDA's handling of Braille is very good, but I have some suggestions
and would like to contribute in other ways. How do i subscribe to the
development list?

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Re: How do I subscribe to the NVDA development list?

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I filled out the form on the Sourceforge page given below last Monday,
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be out of date, because it gives the address of a list on Freelists, not
this list, for users.

John

On Mon, Jul 04, 2016 at 02:43:17PM +0200, Antony Stone wrote:
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nvda-devel

Antony.

On Monday 04 July 2016 at 14:16:11, John J. Boyer wrote:

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Re: The Paypal form..

Arlene
 

Hi, this is a bit late. He is using firefox.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik
burggraaf
Sent: July-11-16 5:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] The Paypal form..

I don't remember Roger telling us what browser he's using but I feel I have
to agree with Brian here this seems like a browser issue to me I was able
to do the donation successfully using Google Chrome and voice over on the
Mac and yes the boxes did come up as invalid until I finish typing in them.
It would definitely be worth your while trying Firefox if you haven't
already if you have tried Firefox and the same thing happens please let us
know I think switching browsers is a lot more convenient than having
several screen reader is on a machine or soliciting cited assistance useful
as that can be sometimes

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On July 11, 2016 6:39:12 AM "Brian's Mail list account"
<bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

I can say that using Firefox 46
The form works as it always did.
I just donated 30 aus and OK the invalid input did come up as typing
into
the boxes, but I suspect this is an artifact that until you finish it is
indeed wrong.
As usual had several goes at remembering the caps and lower case in the
password, and it eventually accepted it and sent me through when I clicked
the button or link for doing the donation.
My feeling here is that this is a browser issue if you cannot get it to
work, always try another browser. I did mention that the IE current updat
is
a bit broken as far as some accessibility is concerned, but its very
very
spcific it seems as most of the time its fine.
Brian

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NVDACon Asia: Final Address – Mistakes Made, Lessons Learnt, Success Achieved & Acknowledgements

Bhavya shah
 

Dear all,
As many of you may be aware, an all-Asia continental online conference
took place this past weekend on the 9th and 10th of July dedicated to
the free and open source NVDA screen reader. Being an active part in
its planning committee, there are a variety of things I would like to
conclusively share – lessons learnt from past mistakes, overall
reception, vision for the future and a thank you to all those who
helped make this possible, all from a personal perspective.
Inspired from the impact NVDA has had on my life and NVDACon
International 2016’s chair’s encouragement to introduce regional
conferences to our respective geographies, the idea of a South Asian
version came to mind. However, a well-received survey I created to
ascertain interest about the same disproved me – South Asia was
insufficient to cover the countries we were receiving responses from,
and thus came about the expansion to NVDACon Asia, where we now stand.
The process of planning and preparation was difficult, with challenges
throughout, but certain people like Ali Luhar, Shubham Tandon, Andy
Whoo and others persisted with me. During academic commitments and
time constraints, some of us organizers took time to invite speakers,
spread the word, finalize details, take into account feedback and
suggestions and do much more that complied with the magnitude of our
aspiration. RadioUdaan and BlindHelp Project graciously offered their
services, of live streaming and web hosting respectively, which we are
very thankful for. As ideal session presenters, dignified individuals
with experience and expertise in the corresponding areas, including
Ashik Hirani, Ashish Singla, BlindHelp Team, Maheshinder Singh Khosla,
Dinesh Kaushal and Manish Agarwal believed in what we were doing and
gave excellent demonstrations, talks and presentations.
We may have made mistakes, one major one being lack of session
recording backups which the concerned organizer was unable to do due
to unknown reasons and due to technicalities, a backup didn’t work
either. Please send me any positive or negative feedback, reviews or
critique you may have to my e-mail address bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
and I shall try my best to incorporate this in any future regional
NVDA conference. Some preset audio editors couldn’t function due to
medical issues, but as a replacement, Ali Luhar, Umar Luhar and
Mohammed Luhar worked in that place instead, which I would like to
sincerely recognize. I remain in debt to Andy Whoo, Brandon Cross and
Hinata Ma’am from North and Latin American geographies for having
provided us with the powerful Teamtalk server where we hosted our
conference. We tended to go a few minutes post-schedule, but
cooperation from RadioUdaan, subsequent session speakers as well as
listeners and attendees kept it going on smoothly. I am immensely
pleased to share that almost 1500 people combining both Radioudaan
listenership, Teamtalk participation and other indirect attendees
tuned in to NVDACon Asia, and the overwhelming amount of
post-conference appreciation the NVDACon Asia Planning Committeee has
been sent is truly heartwarming.
I consider this first attempt at a continental NVDA conference as a
foundationally enlightening and positive step towards what I would
like to see many regional, national and continental conferences going
across the globe around the year. Only a community’s effort can
produce quality, and I hope NVDACon Asia exemplifies that.
Conclusively, I thank each and everyone of you, who played their
non-trivial part they could play, apologize for errors I may have
committed or people whom I missed to include above, express my earnest
gratitude to all our speakers and listeners, and hope that those who
could make it to the conference had something to gain and take away as
lifelong memories from NVDACon Asia!
Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah (Co-Founder, Host, Website Content Writer, Outreach
(Promotion & Speaker Recruitment) and Coordination (with RadioUdaan,
BlindHelp Project, Presenters and Participants) Person, Initial Survey
& Task Force and Discussion E-group Creator & Moderator at NVDACon
Asia)

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Re: OpenOffice or LibreOffice

Dean Masters <dwmasters15@...>
 

Have you tried the spreadsheet? Were you able to use it?

Dean

-----Original Message-----
From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 4:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OpenOffice or LibreOffice

hi.
they both have the property that you can report your bugs and issues.
for example: you can report your bug about using libreoffice in this
site after registration.
www.bugs.libreoffice.org
i prefer libreoffice for many reasons, like:
support for different languages in its menu,
(i mean its user interface)
support all formats of microsoft office and many programs,
more features in comparission to openoffice, and the most important,
its group which are very friendly, kind, honest and intimate.

On 7/11/16, Kenny Peyattt jr. <p.wildcat1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Do they have a bug tracker you can post issues in so they can get that
fixed? That was the same issue I was having with libreoffice. But I couldant
find anywhere on the website to post issues.
Kenny Peyatt jr.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
Mehler
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 9:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OpenOffice or LibreOffice

Hello,

I have tried Libre office both with NVDA and jaws. In both cases it's
got a nasty habit at least on my machines of loosing focus, a lot,
like coming out of menus, saving documents, it's quite frustrating.
I've since uninstalled it.

Thanks.
Dave.


On 7/10/16, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, Dean,

I tried libre office but didn't really care for it too much. I think open
office works better.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dean
Masters
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 5:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OpenOffice or LibreOffice

I read the article but does that mean Libera Office will be more
accessible?

I tried it earlier this year and found I could not use the spreadsheet at
all with another screen reader. so I went back to Open Office.

Dean


-----Original Message-----
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 6:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OpenOffice or LibreOffice

I looked into this last year. How to Geek has a good comparison
article:
http://www.howtogeek.com/187663/openoffice-vs.-libreoffice-whats-the-difference-and-which-should-you-use/

Basically LibreOffice has been more frequently updated and has a slightly
more "classic" (Say Microsoft Office pre the ribbon) look and Open Office
has a few more side bar options.

In terms of accessibility I'm not sure which is ahead though being
updated
more often, if you encounter a problem, it might be easier to get it
addressed in LIbreOffice.

Note that there is also Open365, an online office suite based on
LibreOffice: https://open365.io/

Essentially it looks similar to LibreOffice but runs in a browser. As
you
can probably guess..... steer clear of that one ;) I tried it a month or
so
ago and while I could get around the system tray component, the actual
say
word processor was unusable. Even aside from accessibility issues (which
were enough to nix it on their own - it was sooo slow! I couldn't put up
with it on that basis alone
either. I'm on ADSL 2 and while I wouldn't boast it to be the best
connection in the world, it's not THAT bad that it should have made that
much difference.

Kind regards

Quentin.

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On 11 July 2016 at 04:55, mk360 <mk.seventhson@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,


I know that it was asked before, but versions are updated regularly
and well, now I'm searching for the option... apparently LO is the
best, but I don't know...

So, any info will be apreciated... note that I can install LO and OO
simultanously, so if you can say what is the best for what option...


Thanks,

mk.


















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Ease Of Access Center opening up?

Roger Stewart
 

I've noticed the past few times I've restarted nvda (mostly to install or update an add on) that the Ease Of Access Center pops open. If I need to do several add on upgrades this can get annoying. Is there a way to stop this from happening? As I said, this has only recently started so think it must be something with the latest version of nvda.


Roger


NVDACon Asia: Report of Day 2

Bhavya shah
 

Dear all,
Sunday, 10th of July, 2016 observed Day 2 of the Asian NVDA conference
on its Teamtalk server as well as live RadioUdaan broadcast. Listeners
and attendees got a chance to tune in to:
4 BlindHelp Project – We learnt about the way a group of youngsters
from Pakistan are helping and uplifting the visually impaired
community through technological empowerment. They shared how this idea
formed, how they currently serve people and their ambitious goals for
the future.
5 Asian Language Reading Tools & Text to Speech Support – Maheshinder
Singh Khosla, an experienced ESpeak coder and speech synthesis expert
talked about all the back-end processes that go into a screen reader
and TTS fusion, how ESpeak works and reads out the quantity of
languages it does and characters in the small size it has as well as
highlighting and cogently explaining the usability of the slightly
robotic text to speech by ESpeak.
6 Keynote Address – The climax of the conference was graced by Dinesh
Kaushal and Manish Agarwal, two major NVDA contributors and
developers, assistive technology development experts who are deeply
involved in the NVDA India team. These two gentlemen described their
life and journey with technology, how they came about to be as the
NVDA India team, talking about the variety of features and
enhancements they have garnished NVDA with. Due to an overflowing
quantum of questions, this session was lengthened to accommodate as
many askers as possible.
There were increasing number of correspondences and messages that I
was receiving on the second day, and it gladdened me to perceive the
true interest among our population in this event. We had more than a
thousand listeners via RadioUdaan constantly and active Teamtalk
server participants increasing the value.
As having been one of the primary organizers of NVDACon Asia, I learnt
a lot from mistakes made and was happy to see overall positive reviews
from listeners and participants during and post conference. Please
expect a message from me subsequently, describing my own experience
and thoughts about what took place, how we could improve, and a word
for other NVDA enthusiasts.
Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah (Co-Founder, Host, Website Content Writer, Outreach
(Promotion & Speaker Recruitment) and Coordination (with RadioUdaan,
BlindHelp Project, Presenters and Participants) Person, Initial Survey
& Task Force and Discussion E-group Creator & Moderator at NVDACon
Asia)

--
Warm Regards
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Re: The Paypal form..

Roger Stewart
 

I'd very much appreciate this. I just tried to send money to my friend again this morning and I get the same problem. Everything seems normal until after I've filled in the amount I want to send and type in a brief message. Next thing I tab to is a link saying please choose a payment method. It used to bring up a screen with the choices of my bank account or my Visa card. Now all that happens when I choose this link is Firefox makes a familiar click and I'm right back with the amount reset to zero and my message to my friend deleted out.  I just tried this several times this morning, and the behavior is totally circular--that is it's just stuck in an endless loop and I never get to chose a payment method or get to the page where it just says send money now.  I did send a message similar to this to PayPal and will see what they may have to say about it.  Something has obviously changed on their page setup and nvda isn't catching it for me.

Thanks.

Roger







On 7/11/2016 12:16 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
Hmmm,  I could probably get you a tutorial sometime this week.  I have a support call this afternoon and my windows virtual machine is being a huge brat lately.  If no one gets to it before I do though, I'll put something up.

If NVDA doesn't have a spot for hosting such things I can do it from my new site.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
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On Jul 11, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Roger Stewart <paganus2@...> wrote:

If there were any errors, nvda didn't report any.  There may be something but if the screen reader can't see it then neither can I.  I am using the latest stable nvda--2016.2.1

Roger









On 7/11/2016 9:43 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
Roger,  It sounds as if you have the ideal setup for what you want to do.  Well that's the good news.  The bad news is it makes it harder for us to diagnose.  I think we've exhausted any compatibility issues although if for some reason you're not running the latest NVDA, you might want to hit the update button.

Then we have to get into making sure you have a valid payment method on file, and looking at other things behind the scenes.

When something goes wrong, paypal has gotten decent at letting you know.  Near the top of the page there is usually a signpost that tells you if there are errors.  If you see one of those it would be helpful if you sent  us the text of the error.

Thanks,

Erik Burggraaf
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On Jul 11, 2016, at 7:17 AM, Roger Stewart <paganus2@...> wrote:

I'm using Firefox and it is set as my default browser.

Roger









On 7/11/2016 7:50 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
I don't remember Roger telling us what browser he's using but I feel I have to agree with Brian here this seems like a browser issue to me I was able to do the donation successfully using Google Chrome and voice over on the Mac and yes the boxes did come up as invalid until I finish typing in them. It would definitely be worth your while trying Firefox if you haven't already if you have tried Firefox and the same thing happens please let us know I think switching browsers is a lot more convenient than having several screen reader is on a machine or soliciting cited assistance useful as that can be sometimes

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On July 11, 2016 6:39:12 AM "Brian's Mail list account" <bglists@...> wrote:

I can say that using Firefox 46
The form works as it always did.
 I just donated 30 aus and OK the invalid input did come up as typing into
the boxes, but I suspect this is an artifact that until you finish it is
indeed wrong.
As usual had several goes at remembering the caps and  lower case in the
password, and it eventually accepted it and sent me through when I clicked
the  button or link for doing the donation.
My feeling here is that this is a browser issue if you cannot get it to
work, always try another browser. I did mention that the IE current updat is
a bit broken  as far as some accessibility is concerned, but its very very
spcific it seems as most of the time its fine.
Brian

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Re: The Paypal form..

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Hmmm,  I could probably get you a tutorial sometime this week.  I have a support call this afternoon and my windows virtual machine is being a huge brat lately.  If no one gets to it before I do though, I'll put something up.

If NVDA doesn't have a spot for hosting such things I can do it from my new site.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
Visit the out of work bum for your chance to win one of 10 KNFB Reader or Nearby Explorer for IOS or android!  
Also check out my website for inclusion to the android platform for persons with sensery, physical or cognitive disabilities:

On Jul 11, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Roger Stewart <paganus2@...> wrote:

If there were any errors, nvda didn't report any.  There may be something but if the screen reader can't see it then neither can I.  I am using the latest stable nvda--2016.2.1

Roger









On 7/11/2016 9:43 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
Roger,  It sounds as if you have the ideal setup for what you want to do.  Well that's the good news.  The bad news is it makes it harder for us to diagnose.  I think we've exhausted any compatibility issues although if for some reason you're not running the latest NVDA, you might want to hit the update button.

Then we have to get into making sure you have a valid payment method on file, and looking at other things behind the scenes.

When something goes wrong, paypal has gotten decent at letting you know.  Near the top of the page there is usually a signpost that tells you if there are errors.  If you see one of those it would be helpful if you sent  us the text of the error.

Thanks,

Erik Burggraaf
Visit the out of work bum for your chance to win one of 10 KNFB Reader or Nearby Explorer for IOS or android!  
Also check out my website for inclusion to the android platform for persons with sensery, physical or cognitive disabilities:

On Jul 11, 2016, at 7:17 AM, Roger Stewart <paganus2@...> wrote:

I'm using Firefox and it is set as my default browser.

Roger









On 7/11/2016 7:50 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
I don't remember Roger telling us what browser he's using but I feel I have to agree with Brian here this seems like a browser issue to me I was able to do the donation successfully using Google Chrome and voice over on the Mac and yes the boxes did come up as invalid until I finish typing in them. It would definitely be worth your while trying Firefox if you haven't already if you have tried Firefox and the same thing happens please let us know I think switching browsers is a lot more convenient than having several screen reader is on a machine or soliciting cited assistance useful as that can be sometimes

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On July 11, 2016 6:39:12 AM "Brian's Mail list account" <bglists@...> wrote:

I can say that using Firefox 46
The form works as it always did.
 I just donated 30 aus and OK the invalid input did come up as typing into
the boxes, but I suspect this is an artifact that until you finish it is
indeed wrong.
As usual had several goes at remembering the caps and  lower case in the
password, and it eventually accepted it and sent me through when I clicked
the  button or link for doing the donation.
My feeling here is that this is a browser issue if you cannot get it to
work, always try another browser. I did mention that the IE current updat is
a bit broken  as far as some accessibility is concerned, but its very very
spcific it seems as most of the time its fine.
Brian

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