Date   

Re: can anyone get English out of this file?

norman <lists@...>
 

Hi.

I ran it through kurzweil and here is a link to the results.

https://files.emypeople.net/index.php/s/NvhTJ3jpRzE6Gmf/download

If you're wondering about the different url the server that the file is shared from is my employers owncloud server.

Looks like fairly standard english to me.

However, adobe reader did the same as everyone else for me, couldn't make heads or tails of it.


HTH.

On 5/25/2016 6:19 PM, Peter Beasley wrote:
I certainly can't.

-----Original Message----- From: Governor staten
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 9:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] can anyone get English out of this file?

I'll put a link to the file. When I open it, for some reason, all I see
is symbols, nothing resembling English. Can anyone help me troubleshoot
this one? I'm using Adobe Acrobat DC. I tried to open it in Balabolka,
and I saw the symbols again. If I"m missing something really obvious,
let me know that too. Also, nothing like this has ever happened with
files from this same author before.


The link is below:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3787427/Essene%20Definition.pdf






Re: can anyone get English out of this file?

 

This is one of the strangest PDF files I've ever encountered being that it is entirely in typed English text but appears to be saved in some very odd PDF format.  I cannot get OCR to run on the file downloaded from the provided link in any way that gets me text, and for something I can read in text on the screen this is unprecedented.  There is an odd object at the beginning of the file which is called a pop-up note that just contains, "Welcome, May 16."

If there is another version of this file that's downloadable I can try again.  I'm not willing to type the whole thing out.  If you know who created it, it's incredibly likely that it started out life as a Word document or could be saved in an alternative format by its creator.

Brian
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Re: NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Chris
 

It can be done but you will lose your library as the libarary file is not compatible with the older version of itunes
 



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 25 May 2016 22:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Does it force an upgrade after a time?  I suspect that once you upgrade, you can't go back, though I don't know that.  If that is the case, I would say that upgrading should be done by those who want to try new things, not by those who want reliability and dependability.  Of course, people could upgrade on one machine and keep their main machine as it is until evaluating the upgrade. 
Gene
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

iTunes usually gives you an option whether to update or not.



Re: can anyone get English out of this file?

Peter Beasley
 

I certainly can't.

-----Original Message-----
From: Governor staten
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 9:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] can anyone get English out of this file?

I'll put a link to the file. When I open it, for some reason, all I see
is symbols, nothing resembling English. Can anyone help me troubleshoot
this one? I'm using Adobe Acrobat DC. I tried to open it in Balabolka,
and I saw the symbols again. If I"m missing something really obvious,
let me know that too. Also, nothing like this has ever happened with
files from this same author before.


The link is below:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3787427/Essene%20Definition.pdf


NVDA and Blogger?

David Russell
 

Hi NVDA Users,

I blog using blogspot.com, and recently set up things to have a guest
poster. I made an error in providing Blogger the email address,
leaving out the country identifier after dot com.

Now, when I try to get into settings, a forum field opens and as I
forward tab, setting links are read but not accessible when pressing
enter.

Is there away to use NVDA to refresh a blog in the same manner one may
refresh their browser?

I did send in a feedback report but have heard nothing back in the two
days proceeding that. Thanks!

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Re: NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Gene
 

It appears you are talking about Windows.  This thread is about ITunes.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

I had someone with a recoveryy partition do an upgrade, and was able to
downgrade with no issue.
I had someone try to upgrade, get there, had to reformat, and not only
would windows not reactivate but it wouldn't downgrade either and so
unless I pirated it I guess it wouldn't work.
Saying that I didn't look to closely in the issue as the system involved
had a dieing hard drive and overheating processer and was due for the
scrapheap and was in fact smashed rather than sold and chucked so it was
no loss.
In theory you can't transfer your windows 10 licence round but the rest
you are supposed to do so.




On 26/05/2016 9:33 a.m., Gene wrote:
> Does it force an upgrade after a time?  I suspect that once you upgrade, you can't go back, though I don't know that.  If that is the case, I would say that upgrading should be done by those who want to try new things, not by those who want reliability and dependability.  Of course, people could upgrade on one machine and keep their main machine as it is until evaluating the upgrade.
>
> Gene
> From: Chris Shook
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 4:12 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119
>
>
> iTunes usually gives you an option whether to update or not.
>
>
>



Re: NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

 

I had someone with a recoveryy partition do an upgrade, and was able to downgrade with no issue.
I had someone try to upgrade, get there, had to reformat, and not only would windows not reactivate but it wouldn't downgrade either and so unless I pirated it I guess it wouldn't work.
Saying that I didn't look to closely in the issue as the system involved had a dieing hard drive and overheating processer and was due for the scrapheap and was in fact smashed rather than sold and chucked so it was no loss.
In theory you can't transfer your windows 10 licence round but the rest you are supposed to do so.

On 26/05/2016 9:33 a.m., Gene wrote:
Does it force an upgrade after a time? I suspect that once you upgrade, you can't go back, though I don't know that. If that is the case, I would say that upgrading should be done by those who want to try new things, not by those who want reliability and dependability. Of course, people could upgrade on one machine and keep their main machine as it is until evaluating the upgrade.

Gene
From: Chris Shook
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 4:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119


iTunes usually gives you an option whether to update or not.



Re: NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Gene
 

Does it force an upgrade after a time?  I suspect that once you upgrade, you can't go back, though I don't know that.  If that is the case, I would say that upgrading should be done by those who want to try new things, not by those who want reliability and dependability.  Of course, people could upgrade on one machine and keep their main machine as it is until evaluating the upgrade. 
Gene

Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

iTunes usually gives you an option whether to update or not.



Re: NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

iTunes usually gives you an option whether to update or not.


can anyone get English out of this file?

 

I'll put a link to the file. When I open it, for some reason, all I see
is symbols, nothing resembling English. Can anyone help me troubleshoot
this one? I'm using Adobe Acrobat DC. I tried to open it in Balabolka,
and I saw the symbols again. If I"m missing something really obvious,
let me know that too. Also, nothing like this has ever happened with
files from this same author before.


The link is below:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3787427/Essene%20Definition.pdf


Re: How can one add Farsi as a Braille input into LibLouis/NVDA? /was/ Urgent help needed. How to add an existing Braille table as a Braille input table?

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

If I am mistaken, please forgive and correct me!

To have any input Braille table in NVDA it is needed to have an 8 dots
Braille table in Liblouis, http://liblouis.org/, and wait NVDA to update the
Liblouis bersion...

Rui

-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Laurie Mehta via Groups.io
Data: quarta-feira, 25 de maio de 2016 20:30
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: How can one add Farsi as a Braille input into LibLouis/NVDA?
/was/ [nvda] Urgent help needed. How to add an existing Braille table as a
Braille input table?

I've seen this question asked here but not answered...
Can anyone here answer or direct the sender to the right place for asking
the question?
Thank you.
-LM
--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 5/25/16, Mohammadreza Rashad <mohammadreza5712@...> wrote:

Thanks dear Nasrin, Thanks for your response. I thought my question
was lost. I just want to know how can I add Farsi as a Braille input
into LibLouis and the NVDA. I think my question is obvious!
Thanks again, and I am still waiting for the answer.
Best wishes,
Mohammadreza

????-??-?? ??:?? +??:?? ???????, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...>:
hi.
thanks so much for your question and i am happy to see you here.
since, the best method for me in using computer is speech, and i did
not have sufficient information about the braille and its use, i could
not answer your question!
if i knew the answer, its my pleasure to help you!
excuse me again.

On 5/23/16, Mohammadreza Rashad <mohammadreza5712@...> wrote:
Hi dear list members. I'm a volunteer NVDA translater from Iran. I'm
also using NVDA as my favorite screenreader.
First of all, excuse me because of my poor English writing. Since it's
not my mother tongue.
Secondly, excuse me again about my probably-off-topic question.
You know that NVDA uses Liblouis Braille Translater to display
computer texts in Braille for us. Fortunately, Liblouis has Persian
(Farsi) braille table to output Persian text in Braille.
Regarding to what I wrote, Persian (Farsi) isn't listed in Braille
input tables. There are also other languages like Persian that not
listed in the Braille input tables.
I, as a blind Persian-speaker, want to add my language Braille table
(Farsi grade 1)
into Braille input tables. and now my question is: how can I do this?
Is it necessary to add a separate Braille table for Farsi? or the
existing Farsi grade 1 table is enough?
Thanks for your help in advance
Best wishes,
Mohammadreza Rashad




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Re: question: laptop equivalent for NVDA+numpad divide /was/ Adobe Flash Player with NVDA

Andre Fisher
 

Just say NVDA+N, that shows that depending on which of the three
possible modifier keys you choose, it would be universal.

On 5/25/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
But to you have to check the check box enabling caps lock as a modifier when
using the laptop layout or is that an automatic part of that layout? I know
when using the desktop layout, you have to tab to and check that option in
the dialog.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 2:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: question: laptop equivalent for NVDA+numpad divide /was/ [nvda]
Adobe Flash Player with NVDA


To access the NVDA menu use CapsLock+N.

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Gene
Data: quarta-feira, 25 de maio de 2016 20:48
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: question: laptop equivalent for NVDA+numpad divide /was/ [nvda]

Adobe Flash Player with NVDA


I'm not sure what the procedure is using the laptop keyboard layout for
opening the NVDA menu. Someone on list should know the command. There is a

quick keys reference in the help submenu. Once you open the NVDA menu, you

can look around and find the help submenu.

Also, there are many good tutorials if you are interested. I won't discuss

them further here unless you or others want more information.

Gene

From: Laurie Mehta via Groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: question: laptop equivalent for NVDA+numpad divide /was/ [nvda]

Adobe Flash Player with NVDA

Thanks Andre and I will read the user guide as you suggest.
(smile)
-LM
--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 5/25/16, Andre Fisher <andrefisher729@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: question: laptop equivalent for NVDA+numpad divide /was/ [nvda]

Adobe Flash Player with NVDA
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Wednesday, May 25, 2016, 3:25 PM

The laptop equivalent to
NVDA+NumPad slash is NVDA+Shift+M, and the
equivalent to just NumPad slash is NVDA+the
left bracket key beside
the letter P on most
keyboards.

For more
information, please please read the user guide.

On 5/25/16, Laurie Mehta via
Groups.io <lauriemehta=yahoo.com@groups.io>
wrote:
Hello,
I've read with interest about performing certain
functions with NVDA.
Two key
combinations have been recommended, for example,
NVDA+numpad divide and just the numpad
divide alone.

I
have a laptop that has no numpad and am hoping that someone
can let me
know what the laptop
keyboard equivalent is for these key combinations and
for other mouse clicking equivalents, if
any that I can use with my laptop
that
has no numpad?

(I
already know about using shift+F10 to do the "right
click" or
applications key
function.)
Thanks!
-LM

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 5/25/16, Cearbhall O'Meadhra
<cearbhall.omeadhra@...>
wrote:

Subject:
Re: [nvda] Adobe Flash Player with NVDA
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Wednesday, May 25, 2016, 6:47
AM

Jolene,

I am very
interested in your
topic as I am
currently writing a tutorial for users of the
BorrowBox digital library service in
which Adobe Flash comes
in to playing
a preview of an audio book. I can forward my
recent discussion on this and the
solution to it if that
would be of
interest?

There
is a good deal of discussion
between NVDA technical team
members
on getting NVDA to work with the embedded objects in
Adobe Flash.
These are known as windowless
objects
and JAWS, for instance cannot see them at all in
FireFox but can see them but has
difficulty keeping focus on
them in
Internet Explorer.

NVDA gets around this by labelling the
embedded
oject as unavailable and
using the NVDA+numpad divide (to
move
the mouse pointer to the current navigator object)
followed by numpad divide on its own
which emulates a left
mouse clikc.

I wonder if
you could try this solution and see if
it gives you access
to the player?

I have tried
your two links with NVDA and Firefox on
windows 10 (all
latest versions) and
found the following:
KITV:
http://www.kitv.com/category/305776/live-stream
This stream started playing and sounding
in the
speakers as soon as I opened
the link in Firefox.

KHON2:
http://khon2.com/live-stream/
This link did not start and a typical
part of
the screen showed this:

" SEARCH THE
SITE
Live
Stream"

Then NVDA
said:
iFrame
'embedded Object
unavailable'
and then 'Out of iFrame' after I
pressed down-arrow once.
The stream did not
start playing automatically like the
first one. However, I
pressed
NVDA+numpad divide and then numpad divide alone and
it did start to play. Another numpad
divide stopped it.
While NVDA is
reporting the embedded object, the screen is
reporting "blank" under the
active cursor.

With these work-around
techniques ,
both streams are working on what appears to be
a similar system configuration to
yours.


What do you think?

All the best,

Cearbhall

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Jolene Cardenas
Sent:
Wednesday,
May 25, 2016 4:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Adobe Flash Player with
NVDA

Hello
everyone,

Adobe
Flash Player is
preventing me from
tuning in to the local news online on
such sites as:

KITV:
http://www.kitv.com/category/305776/live-stream

KHON2:
http://khon2.com/live-stream/

I had contacted
these TV
stations to report the
technical difficulties, and both
Webmasters had told me that their live streams were
working
properly.

Just a recap: My
laptop's operating system is Windows
10, my Web browser
is Firefox, and of
course I use NVDA as my screen-reader.

So my questions are
these:
1. How user-friendly is Adobe
Flash Player with
NVDA?
2. What could be causing Adobe Flash
Player to play live Webcasts on some
sites but not on
others?
3. Is there a way for me to
troubleshoot Adobe Flash Player without
uninstalling and
reinstalling it?

Thanks so
much for your folks' help, and have
a good day.

sincerely,

Jolene.


















Re: looking for pls or m3u file of a radio station stream

Gene
 

Most stations these days broadcast in Flash and/or HtML5.  Saving such links won't direct you to the actual underlying stream.  There is an underlying stream but the listen links on most station web sites direct you to the flash or HTMl5 stream, or they are links that open your browser and cause it to follow scripts to the Flash content.  Sometimes, right clicking and saving links won't work at all because the site doesn't support saving such links. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] looking for pls or m3u file of a radio station stream

Very often, you can just do a right click on the listen link and then
choose save link as and 9 times out of 10 it will save a .pls or .m3u
file for you. The file may not be labeled correctly and may just say
listen.pls or something like that. Just rename it and save it where
you'll know where it is and you're good to go.

Roger








On 5/25/2016 12:05 PM, Bobby wrote:
> I am having issues locating pls files or m3us.  I listen to lots of
> internet radio stations butt I don't like going to the web sites all
> of the time.  I was if you know of a good progran that will capture a
> pls or m3u because finding the listen live link can be very hard.  If
> you know of a program please let me know.
>
>
>
>
> .
>




Re: looking for pls or m3u file of a radio station stream

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


I am not sure what formats the following program plays, but it will play radio stations etc from all over the world plus more.

The link to this program is SpeakOn MediaSuite and can be found at http://www.speakon.org.uk/SpeakOn.html


Gene nz

On 26/05/2016 5:05 AM, Bobby wrote:
I am having issues locating pls files or m3us.  I listen to lots of internet radio stations butt I don't like going to the web sites all of the time.  I was if you know of a good progran that will capture a pls or m3u because finding the listen live link can be very hard.  If you know of a program please let me know.





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Re: looking for pls or m3u file of a radio station stream

Roger Stewart
 

Very often, you can just do a right click on the listen link and then choose save link as and 9 times out of 10 it will save a .pls or .m3u file for you. The file may not be labeled correctly and may just say listen.pls or something like that. Just rename it and save it where you'll know where it is and you're good to go.

Roger

On 5/25/2016 12:05 PM, Bobby wrote:
I am having issues locating pls files or m3us. I listen to lots of internet radio stations butt I don't like going to the web sites all of the time. I was if you know of a good progran that will capture a pls or m3u because finding the listen live link can be very hard. If you know of a program please let me know.



.


Re: question: laptop equivalent for NVDA+numpad divide /was/ Adobe Flash Player with NVDA

Gene
 

But to you have to check the check box enabling caps lock as a modifier when using the laptop layout or is that an automatic part of that layout?  I know when using the desktop layout, you have to tab to and check that option in the dialog.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: question: laptop equivalent for NVDA+numpad divide /was/ [nvda] Adobe Flash Player with NVDA

To access the NVDA menu use CapsLock+N.

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Gene
Data: quarta-feira, 25 de maio de 2016 20:48
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: question: laptop equivalent for NVDA+numpad divide /was/ [nvda]
Adobe Flash Player with NVDA


I'm not sure what the procedure is using the laptop keyboard layout for
opening the NVDA menu.  Someone on list should know the command.  There is a
quick keys reference in the help submenu.  Once you open the NVDA menu, you
can look around and find the help submenu.

Also, there are many good tutorials if you are interested.  I won't discuss
them further here unless you or others want more information.

Gene

From: Laurie Mehta via Groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: question: laptop equivalent for NVDA+numpad divide /was/ [nvda]
Adobe Flash Player with NVDA

Thanks Andre and I will read the user guide as you suggest.
(smile)
-LM
--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 5/25/16, Andre Fisher <andrefisher729@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: question: laptop equivalent for NVDA+numpad divide /was/ [nvda]
Adobe Flash Player with NVDA
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Wednesday, May 25, 2016, 3:25 PM

The laptop equivalent to
NVDA+NumPad slash is NVDA+Shift+M, and the
equivalent to just NumPad slash is NVDA+the
left bracket key beside
the letter P on most
keyboards.

For more
information, please please read the user guide.

On 5/25/16, Laurie Mehta via
Groups.io <lauriemehta@...>
wrote:
> Hello,
>
I've read with interest about performing certain
functions with NVDA.
> Two key
combinations have been recommended, for example,
> NVDA+numpad divide and just the numpad
divide  alone.
>
> I
have a laptop that has no numpad and am hoping that someone
can let me
> know what the laptop
keyboard equivalent is for these key combinations and
> for other mouse clicking equivalents, if
any that I can use with my laptop
> that
has no numpad?
>
> (I
already know about using shift+F10 to do the "right
click" or
> applications key
function.)
> Thanks!
>
-LM
>
>
--------------------------------------------
> On Wed, 5/25/16, Cearbhall O'Meadhra
<cearbhall.omeadhra@...>
wrote:
>
>  Subject:
Re: [nvda] Adobe Flash Player with NVDA
>  To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>  Date: Wednesday, May 25, 2016, 6:47
AM
>
>  Jolene,
>
>  I am very
interested in your
>  topic as I am
currently writing a tutorial for users of the
>  BorrowBox digital library service in
which Adobe Flash comes
>  in to playing
a preview of an audio book. I can forward my
>  recent discussion on this and the
solution to it if that
>  would be of
interest?
>
>
There
>  is a good deal of discussion
between NVDA technical team
>  members
on getting NVDA to work with the embedded objects in
>  Adobe Flash.
>
These are known as windowless
>  objects
and JAWS, for instance cannot see them at all in
>  FireFox but can see them but has
difficulty keeping focus on
>  them in
Internet Explorer.
>
>  NVDA gets around this by labelling the
embedded
>  oject as unavailable and
using the NVDA+numpad divide (to
>  move
the mouse pointer to the current navigator object)
>  followed by  numpad divide on its own
which emulates a left
>  mouse clikc.
>
>  I wonder if
>  you could try this solution and see if
it gives you access
>  to the player?
>
>  I have tried
>  your two links with NVDA and Firefox on
windows 10 (all
>  latest versions) and
found the following:
>  KITV:
http://www.kitv.com/category/305776/live-stream
>  This stream started playing and sounding
in the
>  speakers as soon as I opened
the link in Firefox.
>
>  KHON2:
http://khon2.com/live-stream/
>  This link did not start and a typical
part of
>  the screen showed this:
>
>  " SEARCH THE
SITE
>  Live
>
Stream"
>
>   Then NVDA
>  said:
>  iFrame
'embedded Object
>  unavailable'
and then 'Out of iFrame' after I
>  pressed down-arrow once.
>  The stream did not
>  start playing automatically like the
first one.  However, I
>  pressed
NVDA+numpad divide and then numpad divide alone and
>  it did start to play. Another numpad
divide stopped it.
>  While NVDA is
reporting the embedded object, the screen is
>  reporting "blank" under the
active cursor.
>
>
With these work-around
>  techniques ,
both streams are working on what appears to be
>  a similar system configuration to
yours.
>
>
>  What do you think?
>
>  All the best,
>
>  Cearbhall
>
>  m
>  +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623
e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
>
>
>
>
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>
Message-----
>  From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>  [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
>  On Behalf Of Jolene Cardenas
>  Sent:
>  Wednesday,
May 25, 2016 4:15 AM
>  To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>  Subject: [nvda] Adobe Flash Player with
NVDA
>
>  Hello
everyone,
>
>  Adobe
Flash Player is
>  preventing me from
tuning in to the local news online on
>
such sites as:
>
>
KITV:
http://www.kitv.com/category/305776/live-stream
>
>  KHON2:
http://khon2.com/live-stream/
>
>  I had contacted
these TV
>  stations to report the
technical difficulties, and both
>
Webmasters had told me that their live streams were
working
>  properly.
>
>  Just a recap: My
>  laptop's operating system is Windows
10, my Web browser
>  is Firefox, and of
course I use NVDA as my screen-reader.
>
>  So my questions are
these:
>  1. How user-friendly is Adobe
Flash Player with
>  NVDA?
>  2. What could be causing Adobe Flash
>  Player to play live Webcasts on some
sites but not on
>  others?
>  3. Is there a way for me to
>  troubleshoot Adobe Flash Player without
uninstalling and
>  reinstalling it?
>
>  Thanks so
>  much for your folks' help, and have
a good day.
>
>
sincerely,
>
>
Jolene.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

>
>






 





Re: question: laptop equivalent for NVDA+numpad divide /was/ Adobe Flash Player with NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

To access the NVDA menu use CapsLock+N.

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Gene
Data: quarta-feira, 25 de maio de 2016 20:48
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: question: laptop equivalent for NVDA+numpad divide /was/ [nvda]
Adobe Flash Player with NVDA


I'm not sure what the procedure is using the laptop keyboard layout for
opening the NVDA menu. Someone on list should know the command. There is a
quick keys reference in the help submenu. Once you open the NVDA menu, you
can look around and find the help submenu.

Also, there are many good tutorials if you are interested. I won't discuss
them further here unless you or others want more information.

Gene

From: Laurie Mehta via Groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: question: laptop equivalent for NVDA+numpad divide /was/ [nvda]
Adobe Flash Player with NVDA

Thanks Andre and I will read the user guide as you suggest.
(smile)
-LM
--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 5/25/16, Andre Fisher <andrefisher729@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: question: laptop equivalent for NVDA+numpad divide /was/ [nvda]
Adobe Flash Player with NVDA
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Wednesday, May 25, 2016, 3:25 PM

The laptop equivalent to
NVDA+NumPad slash is NVDA+Shift+M, and the
equivalent to just NumPad slash is NVDA+the
left bracket key beside
the letter P on most
keyboards.

For more
information, please please read the user guide.

On 5/25/16, Laurie Mehta via
Groups.io <lauriemehta=yahoo.com@groups.io>
wrote:
Hello,
I've read with interest about performing certain
functions with NVDA.
Two key
combinations have been recommended, for example,
NVDA+numpad divide and just the numpad
divide alone.

I
have a laptop that has no numpad and am hoping that someone
can let me
know what the laptop
keyboard equivalent is for these key combinations and
for other mouse clicking equivalents, if
any that I can use with my laptop
that
has no numpad?

(I
already know about using shift+F10 to do the "right
click" or
applications key
function.)
Thanks!
-LM

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 5/25/16, Cearbhall O'Meadhra
<cearbhall.omeadhra@...>
wrote:

Subject:
Re: [nvda] Adobe Flash Player with NVDA
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Wednesday, May 25, 2016, 6:47
AM

Jolene,

I am very
interested in your
topic as I am
currently writing a tutorial for users of the
BorrowBox digital library service in
which Adobe Flash comes
in to playing
a preview of an audio book. I can forward my
recent discussion on this and the
solution to it if that
would be of
interest?

There
is a good deal of discussion
between NVDA technical team
members
on getting NVDA to work with the embedded objects in
Adobe Flash.
These are known as windowless
objects
and JAWS, for instance cannot see them at all in
FireFox but can see them but has
difficulty keeping focus on
them in
Internet Explorer.

NVDA gets around this by labelling the
embedded
oject as unavailable and
using the NVDA+numpad divide (to
move
the mouse pointer to the current navigator object)
followed by numpad divide on its own
which emulates a left
mouse clikc.

I wonder if
you could try this solution and see if
it gives you access
to the player?

I have tried
your two links with NVDA and Firefox on
windows 10 (all
latest versions) and
found the following:
KITV:
http://www.kitv.com/category/305776/live-stream
This stream started playing and sounding
in the
speakers as soon as I opened
the link in Firefox.

KHON2:
http://khon2.com/live-stream/
This link did not start and a typical
part of
the screen showed this:

" SEARCH THE
SITE
Live
Stream"

Then NVDA
said:
iFrame
'embedded Object
unavailable'
and then 'Out of iFrame' after I
pressed down-arrow once.
The stream did not
start playing automatically like the
first one. However, I
pressed
NVDA+numpad divide and then numpad divide alone and
it did start to play. Another numpad
divide stopped it.
While NVDA is
reporting the embedded object, the screen is
reporting "blank" under the
active cursor.

With these work-around
techniques ,
both streams are working on what appears to be
a similar system configuration to
yours.


What do you think?

All the best,

Cearbhall

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-----Original
Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Jolene Cardenas
Sent:
Wednesday,
May 25, 2016 4:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Adobe Flash Player with
NVDA

Hello
everyone,

Adobe
Flash Player is
preventing me from
tuning in to the local news online on
such sites as:

KITV:
http://www.kitv.com/category/305776/live-stream

KHON2:
http://khon2.com/live-stream/

I had contacted
these TV
stations to report the
technical difficulties, and both
Webmasters had told me that their live streams were
working
properly.

Just a recap: My
laptop's operating system is Windows
10, my Web browser
is Firefox, and of
course I use NVDA as my screen-reader.

So my questions are
these:
1. How user-friendly is Adobe
Flash Player with
NVDA?
2. What could be causing Adobe Flash
Player to play live Webcasts on some
sites but not on
others?
3. Is there a way for me to
troubleshoot Adobe Flash Player without
uninstalling and
reinstalling it?

Thanks so
much for your folks' help, and have
a good day.

sincerely,

Jolene.








Re: question: laptop equivalent for NVDA+numpad divide /was/ Adobe Flash Player with NVDA

Gene
 

I'm not sure what the procedure is using the laptop keyboard layout for opening the NVDA menu.  Someone on list should know the command.  There is a quick keys reference in the help submenu.  Once you open the NVDA menu, you can look around and find the help submenu. 
 
Also, there are many good tutorials if you are interested.  I won't discuss them further here unless you or others want more information.
 
Gene

Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: question: laptop equivalent for NVDA+numpad divide /was/ [nvda] Adobe Flash Player with NVDA

Thanks Andre and I will read the user guide as you suggest.
(smile)
-LM
--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 5/25/16, Andre Fisher <andrefisher729@...> wrote:

 Subject: Re: question: laptop equivalent for NVDA+numpad divide /was/ [nvda] Adobe Flash Player with NVDA
 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
 Date: Wednesday, May 25, 2016, 3:25 PM
 
 The laptop equivalent to
 NVDA+NumPad slash is NVDA+Shift+M, and the
 equivalent to just NumPad slash is NVDA+the
 left bracket key beside
 the letter P on most
 keyboards.
 
 For more
 information, please please read the user guide.
 
 On 5/25/16, Laurie Mehta via
 Groups.io <lauriemehta@...>
 wrote:
 > Hello,
 >
 I've read with interest about performing certain
 functions with NVDA.
 > Two key
 combinations have been recommended, for example,
 > NVDA+numpad divide and just the numpad
 divide  alone.
 >
 > I
 have a laptop that has no numpad and am hoping that someone
 can let me
 > know what the laptop
 keyboard equivalent is for these key combinations and
 > for other mouse clicking equivalents, if
 any that I can use with my laptop
 > that
 has no numpad?
 >
 > (I
 already know about using shift+F10 to do the "right
 click" or
 > applications key
 function.)
 > Thanks!
 >
 -LM
 >
 >
 --------------------------------------------
 > On Wed, 5/25/16, Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 <cearbhall.omeadhra@...>
 wrote:
 >
 >  Subject:
 Re: [nvda] Adobe Flash Player with NVDA
 >  To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
 >  Date: Wednesday, May 25, 2016, 6:47
 AM
 >
 >  Jolene,
 >
 >  I am very
 interested in your
 >  topic as I am
 currently writing a tutorial for users of the
 >  BorrowBox digital library service in
 which Adobe Flash comes
 >  in to playing
 a preview of an audio book. I can forward my
 >  recent discussion on this and the
 solution to it if that
 >  would be of
 interest?
 >
 > 
 There
 >  is a good deal of discussion
 between NVDA technical team
 >  members
 on getting NVDA to work with the embedded objects in
 >  Adobe Flash.
 > 
 These are known as windowless
 >  objects
 and JAWS, for instance cannot see them at all in
 >  FireFox but can see them but has
 difficulty keeping focus on
 >  them in
 Internet Explorer.
 >
 >  NVDA gets around this by labelling the
 embedded
 >  oject as unavailable and
 using the NVDA+numpad divide (to
 >  move
 the mouse pointer to the current navigator object)
 >  followed by  numpad divide on its own
 which emulates a left
 >  mouse clikc.
 >
 >  I wonder if
 >  you could try this solution and see if
 it gives you access
 >  to the player?
 >
 >  I have tried
 >  your two links with NVDA and Firefox on
 windows 10 (all
 >  latest versions) and
 found the following:
 >  KITV:
 >  http://www.kitv.com/category/305776/live-stream
 >  This stream started playing and sounding
 in the
 >  speakers as soon as I opened
 the link in Firefox.
 >
 >  KHON2:
 >  http://khon2.com/live-stream/
 >  This link did not start and a typical
 part of
 >  the screen showed this:
 >
 >  " SEARCH THE
 SITE
 >  Live
 > 
 Stream"
 >
 >   Then NVDA
 >  said:
 >  iFrame
 'embedded Object
 >  unavailable'
 and then 'Out of iFrame' after I
 >  pressed down-arrow once.
 >  The stream did not
 >  start playing automatically like the
 first one.  However, I
 >  pressed
 NVDA+numpad divide and then numpad divide alone and
 >  it did start to play. Another numpad
 divide stopped it.
 >  While NVDA is
 reporting the embedded object, the screen is
 >  reporting "blank" under the
 active cursor.
 >
 > 
 With these work-around
 >  techniques ,
 both streams are working on what appears to be
 >  a similar system configuration to
 yours.
 >
 >
 >  What do you think?
 >
 >  All the best,
 >
 >  Cearbhall
 >
 >  m
 >  +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623
 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
 >
 >
 >
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 >  [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
 >  On Behalf Of Jolene Cardenas
 >  Sent:
 >  Wednesday,
 May 25, 2016 4:15 AM
 >  To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
 >  Subject: [nvda] Adobe Flash Player with
 NVDA
 >
 >  Hello
 everyone,
 >
 >  Adobe
 Flash Player is
 >  preventing me from
 tuning in to the local news online on
 > 
 such sites as:
 >
 > 
 KITV:
 >  http://www.kitv.com/category/305776/live-stream
 >
 >  KHON2:
 >  http://khon2.com/live-stream/
 >
 >  I had contacted
 these TV
 >  stations to report the
 technical difficulties, and both
 > 
 Webmasters had told me that their live streams were
 working
 >  properly.
 >
 >  Just a recap: My
 >  laptop's operating system is Windows
 10, my Web browser
 >  is Firefox, and of
 course I use NVDA as my screen-reader.
 >
 >  So my questions are
 these:
 >  1. How user-friendly is Adobe
 Flash Player with
 >  NVDA?
 >  2. What could be causing Adobe Flash
 >  Player to play live Webcasts on some
 sites but not on
 >  others?
 >  3. Is there a way for me to
 >  troubleshoot Adobe Flash Player without
 uninstalling and
 >  reinstalling it?
 >
 >  Thanks so
 >  much for your folks' help, and have
 a good day.
 >
 > 
 sincerely,
 >
 > 
 Jolene.
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 
 >
 >
 
 




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Re: question: laptop equivalent for NVDA+numpad divide /was/ Adobe Flash Player with NVDA

Laurie Mehta
 

Thanks Andre and I will read the user guide as you suggest.
(smile)
-LM
--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 5/25/16, Andre Fisher <andrefisher729@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: question: laptop equivalent for NVDA+numpad divide /was/ [nvda] Adobe Flash Player with NVDA
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Wednesday, May 25, 2016, 3:25 PM

The laptop equivalent to
NVDA+NumPad slash is NVDA+Shift+M, and the
equivalent to just NumPad slash is NVDA+the
left bracket key beside
the letter P on most
keyboards.

For more
information, please please read the user guide.

On 5/25/16, Laurie Mehta via
Groups.io <lauriemehta=yahoo.com@groups.io>
wrote:
> Hello,
>
I've read with interest about performing certain
functions with NVDA.
> Two key
combinations have been recommended, for example,
> NVDA+numpad divide and just the numpad
divide  alone.
>
> I
have a laptop that has no numpad and am hoping that someone
can let me
> know what the laptop
keyboard equivalent is for these key combinations and
> for other mouse clicking equivalents, if
any that I can use with my laptop
> that
has no numpad?
>
> (I
already know about using shift+F10 to do the "right
click" or
> applications key
function.)
> Thanks!
>
-LM
>
>
--------------------------------------------
> On Wed, 5/25/16, Cearbhall O'Meadhra
<cearbhall.omeadhra@...>
wrote:
>
>  Subject:
Re: [nvda] Adobe Flash Player with NVDA
>  To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>  Date: Wednesday, May 25, 2016, 6:47
AM
>
>  Jolene,
>
>  I am very
interested in your
>  topic as I am
currently writing a tutorial for users of the
>  BorrowBox digital library service in
which Adobe Flash comes
>  in to playing
a preview of an audio book. I can forward my
>  recent discussion on this and the
solution to it if that
>  would be of
interest?
>

There
>  is a good deal of discussion
between NVDA technical team
>  members
on getting NVDA to work with the embedded objects in
>  Adobe Flash.

These are known as windowless
>  objects
and JAWS, for instance cannot see them at all in
>  FireFox but can see them but has
difficulty keeping focus on
>  them in
Internet Explorer.
>
>  NVDA gets around this by labelling the
embedded
>  oject as unavailable and
using the NVDA+numpad divide (to
>  move
the mouse pointer to the current navigator object)
>  followed by  numpad divide on its own
which emulates a left
>  mouse clikc.
>
>  I wonder if
>  you could try this solution and see if
it gives you access
>  to the player?
>
>  I have tried
>  your two links with NVDA and Firefox on
windows 10 (all
>  latest versions) and
found the following:
>  KITV:
http://www.kitv.com/category/305776/live-stream
>  This stream started playing and sounding
in the
>  speakers as soon as I opened
the link in Firefox.
>
>  KHON2:
http://khon2.com/live-stream/
>  This link did not start and a typical
part of
>  the screen showed this:
>
>  " SEARCH THE
SITE
>  Live

Stream"
>
>   Then NVDA
>  said:
>  iFrame
'embedded Object
>  unavailable'
and then 'Out of iFrame' after I
>  pressed down-arrow once.
>  The stream did not
>  start playing automatically like the
first one.  However, I
>  pressed
NVDA+numpad divide and then numpad divide alone and
>  it did start to play. Another numpad
divide stopped it.
>  While NVDA is
reporting the embedded object, the screen is
>  reporting "blank" under the
active cursor.
>

With these work-around
>  techniques ,
both streams are working on what appears to be
>  a similar system configuration to
yours.
>
>
>  What do you think?
>
>  All the best,
>
>  Cearbhall
>
>  m
>  +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623
e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
>
>
>
>
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>  From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>  [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
>  On Behalf Of Jolene Cardenas
>  Sent:
>  Wednesday,
May 25, 2016 4:15 AM
>  To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>  Subject: [nvda] Adobe Flash Player with
NVDA
>
>  Hello
everyone,
>
>  Adobe
Flash Player is
>  preventing me from
tuning in to the local news online on

such sites as:
>

KITV:
http://www.kitv.com/category/305776/live-stream
>
>  KHON2:
http://khon2.com/live-stream/
>
>  I had contacted
these TV
>  stations to report the
technical difficulties, and both

Webmasters had told me that their live streams were
working
>  properly.
>
>  Just a recap: My
>  laptop's operating system is Windows
10, my Web browser
>  is Firefox, and of
course I use NVDA as my screen-reader.
>
>  So my questions are
these:
>  1. How user-friendly is Adobe
Flash Player with
>  NVDA?
>  2. What could be causing Adobe Flash
>  Player to play live Webcasts on some
sites but not on
>  others?
>  3. Is there a way for me to
>  troubleshoot Adobe Flash Player without
uninstalling and
>  reinstalling it?
>
>  Thanks so
>  much for your folks' help, and have
a good day.
>

sincerely,
>

Jolene.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

>
>