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Re: What is the status of the NV access podcast?

Lino Morales
 

Yeah there is and hte last one was done last summer. I wonder if you have an old feed?

On 5/15/2016 8:40 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Ben,

To be honest, I wasn't even aware that there was a podcast in the first place. LOL!
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben J. Bloomgren" <bbloomgren@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 8:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] What is the status of the NV access podcast?


Hi all,

I'm going through my Downcast, and I'm clearing old podcasts. I come up on the NV access podcast, and it doesn't have anything since November 2014. Being that this is the 10th anniversary of NVDA, I'm wondering if that podcast is even being used anymore. Should I delete it, or should I keep it for future use? I was surprised, being that NVDA Con just ended, it leads me to wonder.

Stay warm,

Ben




Re: Web Page navigation

willmac@lantic.net
 

 
Hi Gene,
 
At last I seem to have gone a stage further. You will not believe the effort I put into this.
 
As far as I can ascertain, I followed your tutorial faithfully.  What I did NOT do was give the keystroke "down arrow" time to work through the various options before it started reading.
 
Thank you for your patience and help.
Regards.
William.
PS. Is there a shortcut key to turn off Caps Lock while using NVDA
 
 
 
 
 

------ Original Message ------
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
Sent: 2016/05/13 6:38:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Web Page navigation
This is like a very short tutorial.  Trying what I describe may help you understand and work with what we have been discussing.
 
Let's use this very nonstandard web page to get to a much more typical one.  Open the page, make sure you are at the top with the command control home.
Now tab to the first story.  The first news story is:
Solidarity launches class action against GEPF
Follow that link by pressing enter.
You will be taken to the page with the story.  Starting at the top of the page, press h.  That will move you to a heading and as you continue to press it, you will be moved to other headings.  The heading that is the title of the story is where the article begins.  If you start reading from there by down arrowing or by using the read to end command, you will start hearing the article.  If you stop reading and press h two or three more times, you will see a heading that says your next story.  There will be a link to the next story either above or below the heading.  A heading is written using a different format to draw the reader's eye to the text of the heading.  You don't do anything with a heading except read it.  You would expect the link to be below the heading since the heading is not a link.  And if you down arrow, you will find the link.  You may find on some sites, that you have to up arrow, but usually, if the heading is not the link, you would down arrow. 
 
Gene
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Web Page navigation

This message is long but I'm not sure the material could have been adequately covered in a shorter message.
 
The site you are discussing is not a typical Internet site. 
First a comment or two about structures in general.  You don't open headings.  You move to them.  You follow links by pressing enter on them.  But the site you are working with has nothing but links.  That is very nonstandard.  Go to the page you asked about.  Either start reading or if you just want to see links on this page, start tabbing.  Follow links by pressing enter.  If you want to learn to work with the commands you are trying to work with, use a conventionally formatted site.  Lots of sites are more or less conventionally formatted.  But this site is so nonstandard that we can tell you how to work with this site but it is not representative of most other sites. 
 
Here is more information. 
 
On the page you gave a link for, most quick navigation keys will only give you messages such as no next heading or no next button, etc.  That's because there are none and wherever you are on the page, there are none below where you are.  The commands such as h move to the next heading below your current position.  On this page, no matter where you are, there are no headings below where you are.  There is nothing anywhere on the page but links and text. 
even at the top of the page moving down the entire page, there are none. 
 
All such commands, b for button, x for check box, etc. look for what they are supposed to look for moving down the page.  If they find what they are looking for, they move you to it.  If they don't find anything, you will stay where you are on the page.
 
I would suggest you get an NVDA tutorial and listen to sections you consider important.  A very well thought of tutorial is available here:
If you look through the page, you will see how it is organized and you will get an idea of what you want to listen to.  Some people learn better using written material but many people prefer tutorials and if you do, this is a good one.
 
As far as how the keys work in general, I don't know how many sites you've tried them on.  If you go to a more or less standard site, you should get responses from many of the keys. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Web Page navigation

Hi Gene & Brian.
 
First of all in response to an earlier reference from Gene I must state categorically that I am a complete novice as regards NVDA.
I have heard the term "there are more than one way to skin a cat".  Well I am present not able to skin any cat.
I have read thru quite a bit of the short cut keys and they do not react to the way I expect.
 
That is why i submitted my originally URL http://t.digitalnewspaper.co.za/nl/jsp/m.jsp?c=%40fjNSuVTurK7VzhMSOxyzIucXl%2BKsnii1IrXYxuvhTwY%3D which I list again. Gene went to a lot of trouble detailing certain key strokes. However en this led to all sort of results.
I am not all interested in any  k links. If at all possible would it not be possible to give me the simplest method,  At this stage I am only interested in opening the headings and would want the key strokes required to read such articles continuously to the end.  Is this possible?.
 
Regards,

William
 
 
 
------ Original Message ------
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...>
Sent: 2016/05/12 6:15:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Web Page navigation

Gene,

           When the format of a given specific webpage is known, and in this case it is known to be nothing more than a list of links to articles, I don't think it's a disservice to anyone who cannot see to state that fact and to tell them that for this particular page using an elements list is the way to go.

           I'm not trying to teach general principles here, but to help someone get through a very specific webpage, and its child pages.

           And, yes, that's my opinion when I have a specific case under discussion, not a "how would one best go about this in the general case of an unfamiliar page."  Even then I'd encourage someone to give the elements list a look to get a quick snapshot regarding what links, headers, or landmarks might or might not be present.  There's more than one way to skin a cat.

Brian
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Sighted instructins, was Fly Outsn?

Rob
 

Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
I still think it's incumbent on those using assistive technology to learn what "the translations" are between how sighted instructions are written and what they actually need to do to emulate those instructions.
The problem comes when the instructions say things like: Click on the red/blue/purple striped icon to do this or that; and the icon in question has no text label associated with it.
Or the instructions will say something like: Drag the window to xx to access YY. I've seen this in office tutorials, for example; and in instructions for audio editing programs.
Another example is: Use your mouse to draw a window around this object. Often these types of actions have no shortcut key equivalents, and the assistive technology user is left scratching its head. So, often it isn't enough to understand the equivalent actions such as right/left/middle click. Sometimes, the instructions are just plain visual.


Re: Fly Outs?

 

Brian Gaff wrote:  "I disagree for the beginner personally but am not going to start an argument on this here."

And if we were talking about beginners then I'd agree with you, entirely.  The flack I've gotten has been from people who are far from beginners.

I still think it's incumbent on those using assistive technology to learn what "the translations" are between how sighted instructions are written and what they actually need to do to emulate those instructions.   The vast majority of information out there that is available via any web search is going to use terminology like "left click or click," "right click,"  "select," etc.   If you don't understand how these directly relate to your access method then you're cutting yourself off from a world of assistance that already exists for most basic Windows (or Linux, or any GUI-based OS) functions.

Brian


Re: What is the status of the NV access podcast?

Kevin Cussick
 

Hello, you are correct there at 10 podcasts. Refresh your podcast client and hopefully it will show up good luck.

On 16 May 2016, at 08:51, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:

Hi Ben,
You might want to recheck. I am pretty certain there was at least one
more podcast after November 2014, perhaps two.
There are ten in total, if I am not incorrect, and with structural
reformations and additions being made to NV Access as informed, one
may be on its way, as Quentin too pointed out, after that is maybe
done. Just speculating.
Thanks.

On 5/16/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
That I think was mentioned in one of the audio presentations in the con,
ehre it was stated that if more people were hired more of this kind of thing

could be made to help with communication and real world demos so people
could get a feel for any new ideas and chat about them on here or wherever.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 1:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] What is the status of the NV access podcast?


Hi Ben,

We have been a bit negligent with the NV Access podcast. We haven't
abandoned it though and are planning to revive it shortly.

Hang in there, we'll be back!

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Ben J. Bloomgren
<bbloomgren@...>
wrote:

Hi all,

I'm going through my Downcast, and I'm clearing old podcasts. I come up
on
the NV access podcast, and it doesn't have anything since November 2014.
Being that this is the 10th anniversary of NVDA, I'm wondering if that
podcast is even being used anymore. Should I delete it, or should I keep

it
for future use? I was surprised, being that NVDA Con just ended, it
leads
me to wonder.

Stay warm,

Ben



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Training Material Developer
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Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org
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Twitter: @NVAccess




--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09



Re: What is the status of the NV access podcast?

Kevin Cussick
 

Hi, there was a podcast on the end of last year. I don't know why you are not seeing that podcast anyway trying to freshen the podcasts and see what happens as I remember hearing this podcast. Sorry for any mistakes using dictation on the iPad maybe I will have to stop doing this.

On 16 May 2016, at 01:35, Ben J. Bloomgren <bbloomgren@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I'm going through my Downcast, and I'm clearing old podcasts. I come up on the NV access podcast, and it doesn't have anything since November 2014. Being that this is the 10th anniversary of NVDA, I'm wondering if that podcast is even being used anymore. Should I delete it, or should I keep it for future use? I was surprised, being that NVDA Con just ended, it leads me to wonder.

Stay warm,

Ben


Re: Windows 10 with classic shell again

Jacob Kruger
 

Well, I don't get any notifications relating to UAC, or anything like that anymore..?

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 16 May, 2016 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 with classic shell again


Yes I know about god mode. The issue I have is that uac is at zero, but eh pesky non reading till you do an alt tab is still going on. Its a great pity there is not a god mode to take all protection off.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 with classic shell again


Brian, I am running classic shell on my windows 10 64 bit machine, and, yes, UAC popup is still relatively inaccessible, but, narrator seemed to be able to read it somewhat - this was a while ago.

However, I have turned UAC notification level off/set it to zero under control panel, and I don't get blocked for softare, processes, etc.

Closest come is that still get asked if unknown software should be installed, but, that's been happening since XP...<smile>

And, FWIW, in terms of control panel, while windows key + I is helpful/useful, I also have a god mode shortcut on my desktop, since I have preferred that interface since windows 7, but anyway - that's a folder you create with a strange/long name with a whole weird string in it, which then renders as just GodMode, but, I find it does make it easier to find some settings, at times.

But, don't think that will necessarily help with this UAC issue.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian's Mail list account" <bglists@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 15 May, 2016 11:04 AM
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 with classic shell again


Hi still trying to come to terms with win 10.
There are alerts where the text of the message is not spoken and has to be accessed via one of the navigation modes, all you tend to hear by default are the buttons. This is quite clearly not a good thing.
It seems to affect things like where access is denied, continue with etc mostly, though some others have been spotted as well. Is this something to do with classic shell or is it a known issue on win 10. Also after following the instructions the other day about moving the UAC slider to zero, I am still getting denied access to stuff, even though the account has admin rights. Looking at the permissions and security settings it seems to be totally incomprehensible fo this human as to what I might need to alter. What a pity there is no way to get rid of all this stuff and make it behave like XP when a single user is using it.
It also seems to want network passwords to access it from other computers, a problem that exists on Windows 7 and up of course as well as this access denied irritation.
Brian

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Re: What is the status of the NV access podcast?

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Ben,
You might want to recheck. I am pretty certain there was at least one
more podcast after November 2014, perhaps two.
There are ten in total, if I am not incorrect, and with structural
reformations and additions being made to NV Access as informed, one
may be on its way, as Quentin too pointed out, after that is maybe
done. Just speculating.
Thanks.

On 5/16/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
That I think was mentioned in one of the audio presentations in the con,
ehre it was stated that if more people were hired more of this kind of thing

could be made to help with communication and real world demos so people
could get a feel for any new ideas and chat about them on here or wherever.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 1:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] What is the status of the NV access podcast?


Hi Ben,

We have been a bit negligent with the NV Access podcast. We haven't
abandoned it though and are planning to revive it shortly.

Hang in there, we'll be back!

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Ben J. Bloomgren
<bbloomgren@...>
wrote:

Hi all,

I'm going through my Downcast, and I'm clearing old podcasts. I come up
on
the NV access podcast, and it doesn't have anything since November 2014.
Being that this is the 10th anniversary of NVDA, I'm wondering if that
podcast is even being used anymore. Should I delete it, or should I keep

it
for future use? I was surprised, being that NVDA Con just ended, it
leads
me to wonder.

Stay warm,

Ben



--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Ph +61 7 3149 3306
Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess



--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09


Re: What is the status of the NV access podcast?

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

That I think was mentioned in one of the audio presentations in the con, ehre it was stated that if more people were hired more of this kind of thing could be made to help with communication and real world demos so people could get a feel for any new ideas and chat about them on here or wherever.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 1:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] What is the status of the NV access podcast?


Hi Ben,

We have been a bit negligent with the NV Access podcast. We haven't
abandoned it though and are planning to revive it shortly.

Hang in there, we'll be back!

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Ben J. Bloomgren <bbloomgren@...>
wrote:

Hi all,

I'm going through my Downcast, and I'm clearing old podcasts. I come up on
the NV access podcast, and it doesn't have anything since November 2014.
Being that this is the 10th anniversary of NVDA, I'm wondering if that
podcast is even being used anymore. Should I delete it, or should I keep it
for future use? I was surprised, being that NVDA Con just ended, it leads
me to wonder.

Stay warm,

Ben



--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Ph +61 7 3149 3306
Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess


Re: Windows 10 with classic shell again

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

Yes I know about god mode. The issue I have is that uac is at zero, but eh pesky non reading till you do an alt tab is still going on. Its a great pity there is not a god mode to take all protection off.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 with classic shell again


Brian, I am running classic shell on my windows 10 64 bit machine, and, yes, UAC popup is still relatively inaccessible, but, narrator seemed to be able to read it somewhat - this was a while ago.

However, I have turned UAC notification level off/set it to zero under control panel, and I don't get blocked for softare, processes, etc.

Closest come is that still get asked if unknown software should be installed, but, that's been happening since XP...<smile>

And, FWIW, in terms of control panel, while windows key + I is helpful/useful, I also have a god mode shortcut on my desktop, since I have preferred that interface since windows 7, but anyway - that's a folder you create with a strange/long name with a whole weird string in it, which then renders as just GodMode, but, I find it does make it easier to find some settings, at times.

But, don't think that will necessarily help with this UAC issue.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian's Mail list account" <bglists@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 15 May, 2016 11:04 AM
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 with classic shell again


Hi still trying to come to terms with win 10.
There are alerts where the text of the message is not spoken and has to be accessed via one of the navigation modes, all you tend to hear by default are the buttons. This is quite clearly not a good thing.
It seems to affect things like where access is denied, continue with etc mostly, though some others have been spotted as well. Is this something to do with classic shell or is it a known issue on win 10. Also after following the instructions the other day about moving the UAC slider to zero, I am still getting denied access to stuff, even though the account has admin rights. Looking at the permissions and security settings it seems to be totally incomprehensible fo this human as to what I might need to alter. What a pity there is no way to get rid of all this stuff and make it behave like XP when a single user is using it.
It also seems to want network passwords to access it from other computers, a problem that exists on Windows 7 and up of course as well as this access denied irritation.
Brian

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Re: Fly Outs?

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

I disagree for the beginner personally but am not going to start an argument on this here.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <@britechguy>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Fly Outs?


Brian Gaff wrote, in part: "blind users talk different languages in the main one talks about right and left click and hover while we say tthings like move the carat or use the application or context menu keys which sightees have no apparent concept of."

Which makes perfect sense. The entire concept of a Graphical User Interface (GUI) is that it is largely "point and click."

Being a "sightee" and a computer tech I am endlessly amazed at how much flack I've taken at timed for saying things like "right click" and people saying they don't use the mouse. I really don't give a flying rat's patootie how you, for any you, execute a right click but every screen reader I've worked with supports it. It's also pretty well known that right click is generally going to bring up a context menu, so getting focus on something and hitting the context menu key (also sometimes referred to as the application key) does the same thing.

Those offering help are generally going to use "the lingo" associated with the environment being discussed. If that requires translation, and at times it does, it's not always the helper that should be expected to provide it.

Brian

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Re: Windows 10 with classic shell again

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

No I still have severalxp machines on the neetwrk home group called rather crypticall, Brian, and Ican get into those machines from 10 and 7 no issue its the other way around that is the issue.
Yes there are always are you sure and yes to all etc, but the actual messages are not beig read in 10, but are in 7 and xp.

Due to the different wording and choices on 10, it can be hard to know which alert it actually is when you can only hear the options and often only hear them when doing alt tab to get them in focus.

The issue probably is that this 10 machine belonged to a sighted person and I have no idea what has been altered, so the first thing I did after installing nvda was to reset to defaults everthing I could find before I started, but that does not seem to have protected me against these issues. should i remove classic shell? I'm not sure whatit is doing for me other than hiding the silly named searrch field till I want it and adding a more normal start menu. The problem of grotty ribbon menus which seem not to contain opetions you need a lot is presumably hard coded by Microsoft.

I also dislike the new sounds in 10, they are too similar to each other for my liking.
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 with classic shell again


If you want to be able to access all the computers on your network without passwords then you should set up a Homegroup (presuming all are Win7 or later) and/or Workgroup and make sure that all the machines have joined it. You can then set up your specific sharing of files, folders, etc., via the Homegroup settings on the individual machines and accounts on each machine.

All changes as far as search behavior can be tweaked in the Cortana & Search settings. I long ago turned off "Include web results" because if I want web results I'll do my own web search, thank you very much. I want the Windows Search to stick to searching my machine.

You are never going to get away from the OS asking you for confirmation on certain actions whether you are administrator or not and whether UAC is active or not. This feature was introduced with Windows 7 because so many people accidentally wiped out all sorts of stuff unintentionally. All this does is add the "are you sure?" level of check and you get very used to it after a short while (and it has saved my bacon on a couple of occasions over the last decade due to "finger twitch" when I didn't mean to do anything).

Brian
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Re: What is the status of the NV access podcast?

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Ben,

We have been a bit negligent with the NV Access podcast.  We haven't abandoned it though and are planning to revive it shortly.

Hang in there, we'll be back!

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Ben J. Bloomgren <bbloomgren@...> wrote:
Hi all,

I'm going through my Downcast, and I'm clearing old podcasts. I come up on the NV access podcast, and it doesn't have anything since November 2014. Being that this is the 10th anniversary of NVDA, I'm wondering if that podcast is even being used anymore. Should I delete it, or should I keep it for future use? I was surprised, being that NVDA Con just ended, it leads me to wonder.

Stay warm,

Ben





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Training Material Developer

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 
Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: What is the status of the NV access podcast?

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Ben,

To be honest, I wasn't even aware that there was a podcast in the first place. LOL!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben J. Bloomgren" <bbloomgren@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 8:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] What is the status of the NV access podcast?


Hi all,

I'm going through my Downcast, and I'm clearing old podcasts. I come up on the NV access podcast, and it doesn't have anything since November 2014. Being that this is the 10th anniversary of NVDA, I'm wondering if that podcast is even being used anymore. Should I delete it, or should I keep it for future use? I was surprised, being that NVDA Con just ended, it leads me to wonder.

Stay warm,

Ben


What is the status of the NV access podcast?

Ben J. Bloomgren
 

Hi all,

I'm going through my Downcast, and I'm clearing old podcasts. I come up on the NV access podcast, and it doesn't have anything since November 2014. Being that this is the 10th anniversary of NVDA, I'm wondering if that podcast is even being used anymore. Should I delete it, or should I keep it for future use? I was surprised, being that NVDA Con just ended, it leads me to wonder.

Stay warm,

Ben


Re: Windows 10 with classic shell again

Jacob Kruger
 

Brian, I am running classic shell on my windows 10 64 bit machine, and, yes, UAC popup is still relatively inaccessible, but, narrator seemed to be able to read it somewhat - this was a while ago.

However, I have turned UAC notification level off/set it to zero under control panel, and I don't get blocked for softare, processes, etc.

Closest come is that still get asked if unknown software should be installed, but, that's been happening since XP...<smile>

And, FWIW, in terms of control panel, while windows key + I is helpful/useful, I also have a god mode shortcut on my desktop, since I have preferred that interface since windows 7, but anyway - that's a folder you create with a strange/long name with a whole weird string in it, which then renders as just GodMode, but, I find it does make it easier to find some settings, at times.

But, don't think that will necessarily help with this UAC issue.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

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Sent: 15 May, 2016 11:04 AM
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 with classic shell again


Hi still trying to come to terms with win 10.
There are alerts where the text of the message is not spoken and has to be accessed via one of the navigation modes, all you tend to hear by default are the buttons. This is quite clearly not a good thing.
It seems to affect things like where access is denied, continue with etc mostly, though some others have been spotted as well. Is this something to do with classic shell or is it a known issue on win 10. Also after following the instructions the other day about moving the UAC slider to zero, I am still getting denied access to stuff, even though the account has admin rights. Looking at the permissions and security settings it seems to be totally incomprehensible fo this human as to what I might need to alter. What a pity there is no way to get rid of all this stuff and make it behave like XP when a single user is using it.
It also seems to want network passwords to access it from other computers, a problem that exists on Windows 7 and up of course as well as this access denied irritation.
Brian

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Re: Something strange in Firefox

 

I agree, I am on the release channel and firefox.com lists me as being on latest version.

On 16/05/2016 12:49 a.m., Gene wrote:
I don't know why you received an autoupdate. I use Firefox portable and that is still using one of the 46 versions. The portable versions usually come out soon after the installed versions so it should have been out by now. Also, when I checked, the version Mozilla still refers to in its release notes part of the web site is 46.

Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


It depends on which channel you are on. I can easily download 47 from many
sites across the web, so it obviously is out there and it had auto updated
to it which was why I had to intervene when the sounds vanished.
brain

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Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


I don't think Firefox 47 is released yet. Current release version is
46.0.1.

On 5/14/2016 12:41 PM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Is this 47 again. I had to reinstall 46 a couple of weeks ago and turn
off updates as for a staart it was much slower on single core systems and
some add ons stopped working correctly, such as navigational sounds
I think this new version has some serious bugs to be ironed out, myself,
as it also kept failing to go the pages the first time it was told
complaining it was not foundd.
Obviviously I no longer have it, so cannot comment if this is yet another
issue, but I've had no problems since going back.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnþór Helgason"
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 11:26 AM
Subject: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


Good morning from sunny Iceland.

After the most recent updates I have found it impossible to copy the url
of a homepage when I want to include the relevant address in a new
document.

Previously I used the command alt+d, but it doesn't work anymore in
Firefox. However Internet Explorer and GoogleChrome still have this
command.


Any advice?


Best regards,

Arnthor Helgason

Phone: +354 8973766










Re: Fly Outs?

 

Brian Gaff wrote, in part:  "blind users talk different languages in the main one talks about right and left click and hover while we say tthings like move the carat or use the application or context menu keys which sightees have no apparent concept of."

Which makes perfect sense. The entire concept of a Graphical User Interface (GUI) is that it is largely "point and click."

Being a "sightee" and a computer tech I am endlessly amazed at how much flack I've taken at timed for saying things like "right click" and people saying they don't use the mouse. I really don't give a flying rat's patootie how you, for any you, execute a right click but every screen reader I've worked with supports it. It's also pretty well known that right click is generally going to bring up a context menu, so getting focus on something and hitting the context menu key (also sometimes referred to as the application key) does the same thing.

Those offering help are generally going to use "the lingo" associated with the environment being discussed. If that requires translation, and at times it does, it's not always the helper that should be expected to provide it.

Brian


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Re: Windows 10 with classic shell again

 

If you want to be able to access all the computers on your network without passwords then you should set up a Homegroup (presuming all are Win7 or later) and/or Workgroup and make sure that all the machines have joined it.  You can then set up your specific sharing of files, folders, etc., via the Homegroup settings on the individual machines and accounts on each machine.

All changes as far as search behavior can be tweaked in the Cortana & Search settings.  I long ago turned off "Include web results" because if I want web results I'll do my own web search, thank you very much.  I want the Windows Search to stick to searching my machine.

You are never going to get away from the OS asking you for confirmation on certain actions whether you are administrator or not and whether UAC is active or not.  This feature was introduced with Windows 7 because so many people accidentally wiped out all sorts of stuff unintentionally.  All this does is add the "are you sure?" level of check and you get very used to it after a short while (and it has saved my bacon on a couple of occasions over the last decade due to "finger twitch" when I didn't mean to do anything).


Brian
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Re: accessible spreadsheet program using NVDA

Peter Beasley
 

In the documemt formatting section of the NVDA menu, make sure that announce cell co-ordinates is checked.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 12:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible spreadsheet program using NVDA

Hi,


Ok, I am not sure what I was doing wrong before but Libreoffice is now
reading the contents of cells but only if the cell has content in it.


The other pressing issue I am having is that I still can't find a way to
have NVDA announce the cell coordinates(the row and column)
automatically. I'd like to have this done as I move from cell to cell.


Is there a way to do this?


Thanks.


Dan Beaver


On 5/15/2016 2:49 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi again.
libreoffice since version 4.3.0 became accessible and also openoffice
became accessible since version 4.1.0 without need to install java
access briedge.
if you install libreoffice 4.4 or 5.1 you even dont need to press f2
to read the content of your spredsheet.
f2 is only for editing and you can read the content by arrow keys.

On 5/15/16, Kenny Peyattt jr. <p.wildcat1234@...> wrote:
Have you tried openoffice?

Kenny Peyatt jr.


On 5/14/2016 8:39 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:
I have been trying to use Libreoffice and have found that spreadsheets
are not that accessible. I can't read the contents of cells without
hittingh f2 and putting the cell in edit mode. I wouldn't exactly
call that accessible. There are other accessibility issues too but
I'll not go through all of them at this time.


Thanks.


Dan Beaver


On 5/14/2016 1:48 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi!
you can use libreoffice without need to purchase!
its open source and accessible.
there website is

www.libreoffice.org

thanks for asking and god bless you.

On 5/14/16, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
Dan,

Are all of those PCs still in existence and still running
MS-Excel
(or the MS-Office suite) on them? Most licenses allow you to have
some set
number of machines that are currently operational running the software
you've licensed. If any of those has died, had MS-Office
uninstalled, or
been taken out of commission and gathering dust somewhere you can
request
that Microsoft re-activate the number of licenses that match the
number of
"no longer operational" machines.

You could probably call Microsoft's Disability Services to
get
assistance with this if your situation matches what I've mentioned
above.

Brian
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