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Re: Another software for radio broadcasting and recording also Tapin radio

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The problem is that every station seems to do things their own way and hence making a common interface for them all is probably inpracticle. Believe me its not just the visually impaired who find this lack of standardisation a pain, as before long you get a load of links and addresses and players and then one has to figure out what playys what and how much detail it can show and how.

Its kind of streaming data anarchy out there!

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Marco Oros" <marco.oros93@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 9:17 AM
Subject: [nvda] Another software for radio broadcasting and recording also Tapin radio


Hello NVDA.

I don't know, where to post It.

But, I have a pleasure. Do You know some software, very great for the blind to listen radio stations and record It.

Also, It'll be great to know a names of songs. Or, some web service, which also view a name of songs for some streams.

Really, I don't know, where to post this topic.

Thank You for help.

Marco Oros



Re: Clarification needed on NVDA support for "aria-live" tag

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I've copied this over to the development list.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Yohan Karunathilaka" <yohan.karunathilaka@zoak.solutions>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 3:12 AM
Subject: [nvda] Clarification needed on NVDA support for "aria-live" tag


Hi

We use NVDA to test our web applications against accessibility requirements and noticed the following issue. I could not find a contact mail address for technical person, therefore I'm using this mail address.

I would like to get more information as to whether there is something wrong we are doing from our end.

So here is the problem we notice.

In our application we have dialog popups where a user can enter data in to and if they happen to enter the wrong data, validation errors are thrown back to the user. These error messages are currently not readout by NVDA. Here is our source code. Appreciate your feedback on this.

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Thanks,

Yohan


Re: NVDA 2016.3 AND REVIEW CURSOR

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Thy this on the master branch as well, I cannot test this as I do not use Outlook but I've seen discussions about this I'm sure. Master is like the beta for the next version by the way, in case you are not aware.

There is one other bug that is yet to be fixed involving Internet Explorer settings, the second of the boxes auto focus with caret movement does not alter the mode correctly, but of course you can still tab out etc, and you might hear an error sound as well, but it does actually work.
This affects IE11 Firefox is fine.

http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/

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Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 9:35 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2016.3 AND REVIEW CURSOR


Hi Group



I have another minor bug to report in NVDA 2016.3, which affects me
personally.



When one uses the Find and replace or word count dialogue, amongs others, as
well as in some e-mails in Outlook 2010, it is necessary for one to use the
review mode and review cursors to read these dialogues and e-mails. This
has only been the case since NVDA 2016.3.



I use Office 2010 and the anniversary update of Window 10.


Please look into this when possible, or if there is a setting which needs to
be changed, please advice me accordingly.



Kind regards








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Re: NVDA 2016.3 AND MS EXCEL 2010

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Hi, I have now confirmed that your bug report was correct, but if you download the latest of the master branch from the snapshot page and install that it seems to have been fixed. I'd advise disabling test for updates though as otherwise you will be driven demented every couple of days with updates.


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Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 9:10 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2016.3 AND MS EXCEL 2010


Hi Group



Ever since we upgraded to NVDA 2016.3, we have been experiencing a strange
bug in Ms Excel 2010.



When one makes a mistake in Excel, and presses Escape to exit the cell
(which, with every other version of NVDA simply exited the edit mode an
brought one back to the cell as it previously appeared), one finds that NVDA
automatically decides that one would like to be in browse mode. To clarify
this, if I type a 0 by accident in Excel, and escape that cell and try to
type again NVDA tells me that the specific letter or number is not available
in this type of document. To solve this problem, it is necessary for me to
do one of 2 things:



1. Close Excel and start all over again.

or

2. Press Insert+Space to exit browse mode.



The chanses of my students or I using Browse mode in Excel are very low and
it is not necessary for NVDA to assume that escape means I want to start
using browse mode for some strange reason.



We will be able to go back to NVDA 2016.2.1 in the interim as our students
have limited knowledge about computer and are writing exams over a
fortnight.



Would you please look into this bug as soon as possible as it causes much
frustration.



Kind regards






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Re: NVDA 2016.3 AND MS EXCEL 2010

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May I suggest that you try the master branch of the snapshots and if the problem is still present, go onto the development list and mention it on there. It may well be that a ticket or whatever we call them now needs to be raised as this should not be happening as I don't think it does in later versions from memory, anyone?
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 9:10 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2016.3 AND MS EXCEL 2010


Hi Group



Ever since we upgraded to NVDA 2016.3, we have been experiencing a strange
bug in Ms Excel 2010.



When one makes a mistake in Excel, and presses Escape to exit the cell
(which, with every other version of NVDA simply exited the edit mode an
brought one back to the cell as it previously appeared), one finds that NVDA
automatically decides that one would like to be in browse mode. To clarify
this, if I type a 0 by accident in Excel, and escape that cell and try to
type again NVDA tells me that the specific letter or number is not available
in this type of document. To solve this problem, it is necessary for me to
do one of 2 things:



1. Close Excel and start all over again.

or

2. Press Insert+Space to exit browse mode.



The chanses of my students or I using Browse mode in Excel are very low and
it is not necessary for NVDA to assume that escape means I want to start
using browse mode for some strange reason.



We will be able to go back to NVDA 2016.2.1 in the interim as our students
have limited knowledge about computer and are writing exams over a
fortnight.



Would you please look into this bug as soon as possible as it causes much
frustration.



Kind regards






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NVDA 2016.3 AND REVIEW CURSOR

Heaven Botma <heaven@...>
 

Hi Group

 

I have another minor bug to report in NVDA 2016.3, which affects me personally.

 

When one uses the Find and replace or word count dialogue, amongs others, as well as in some e-mails in Outlook 2010, it is necessary for one to use the review mode and review cursors to read these dialogues and e-mails.  This has only been the case since NVDA 2016.3. 

 

I use Office 2010 and the anniversary update of Window 10.


Please look into this when possible, or if there is a setting which needs to be changed, please advice me accordingly.

 

Kind regards

 

 

 

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Clarification needed on NVDA support for "aria-live" tag

Yohan Karunathilaka <yohan.karunathilaka@...>
 

Hi

 

We use NVDA to test our web applications against accessibility requirements and noticed the following issue. I could not find a contact mail address for  technical person, therefore I’m using this mail address.

 

I would like to  get more information as to whether there is something wrong we are doing from our end.

 

So here is the problem we notice.

 

In our application we have dialog popups where a user can enter data in to and if they happen to enter the wrong data, validation errors are thrown back to the user. These error messages are currently not readout by NVDA. Here is our source code. Appreciate your feedback on this.

 

 

Thanks,

 

Yohan

 


Another software for radio broadcasting and recording also Tapin radio

Marco Oros
 

Hello NVDA.

I don't know, where to post It.

But, I have a pleasure. Do You know some software, very great for the blind to listen radio stations and record It.

Also, It'll be great to know a names of songs. Or, some web service, which also view a name of songs for some streams.

Really, I don't know, where to post this topic.

Thank You for help.

Marco Oros


NVDA 2016.3 AND MS EXCEL 2010

Heaven Botma <heaven@...>
 

Hi Group

 

Ever since we upgraded to NVDA 2016.3, we have been experiencing a strange bug in Ms Excel 2010.

 

When one makes a mistake in Excel, and presses Escape to exit the cell (which, with every other version of NVDA simply exited the edit mode an brought one back to the cell as it previously appeared), one finds that NVDA automatically decides that one would like to be in browse mode.  To clarify this, if I type a 0 by accident in Excel, and escape that cell and try to type again NVDA tells me that the specific letter or number is not available in this type of document.  To solve this problem, it is necessary for me to do one of 2 things:

 

1.            Close Excel and start all over again.

or

2.            Press Insert+Space to exit browse mode.

 

The chanses of my students or I using Browse mode in Excel are very low and it is not necessary for NVDA to assume that escape means I want to start using browse mode for some strange reason. 

 

We will be able to go back to NVDA 2016.2.1 in the interim as our students have limited knowledge about computer and are writing exams over a fortnight.

 

Would you please look into this bug as soon as possible as it causes much frustration. 

 

Kind regards

 

 

Heaven Botma

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Re: getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message

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Incidentally, if using Outlook Express I always turn off the preview pane as this can cause the html and other parts driven by scripts in the html to be pulled in and the same type of message to occur there. I'd imagine its the same on live mail.


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message


Thanks. I didn't think of that.




On 10/20/2016 4:02 PM, Tyler Spivey wrote:
1. Press enter on a message.
2. From here, go to the View menu, Message Body As.
Either Simple HTML or Plain Text will stop that message.
If you select Plain Text, you'll lose some things such as links. They either won't show up at all in the case of some of this list's messages (unsubscribe, mute, etc at the bottom), or turn into URLs.

On 10/20/2016 3:30 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
How do I convert thunderbird to read in plain text?




On 10/20/2016 2:17 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.io wrote:
CORRECT, sorry caps was on anyway correct just read in plain text and
it will stop saying this.

On 20/10/2016 20:20, Gene wrote:
First, I'll say that I'm not a tech and those with more technical
knowledge may disagree with the following but this is what I understand
to be the case from reading and thinking about this question in the
past.

it is a bad idea to allow remote content. I'm sure there is another
much safer solution. there is a reason that remote content is not
allowed by default. it may be malicious.

If a solution involves lowering security, another solution should be
sought before deciding whether you want to use the program enough to
take a chance of lowering an important security setting.

As one example, if you allow remote content and inadvertently open a
spam message, that spam message may be able to tell the spam sender that
you are a live address and you may get more spam as a result. I don't
know technically enough about this to discuss it more fully except to
say that somehow, allowing remote content allows this to be done.

Malware can be sent to a computer if remote content is allowed just by
opening a message.

If you don't want these warnings, it is my understanding that if you get
a version of thunderbird before a certain number, this message will not
be spoken. I also expect that changing how mail is read from html to
text would stop this message. Whatever the case, there is a reason why
not only thunderb ird, but other widely used Windows e-mail programs
don't allow remote content by default.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene New Zealand <mailto:hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>
*Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:54 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] getting the "to protect your privacy" message even
before opening a message

Hi


Have a look under the tools then options then privacy settings in
thunderbird.

You will be looking for a setting called Allow remote content in
messages


mined is checked so it allows it.


On some pages when they are sent they say do not send the content but it
can be found on the website.


So depending if you have this box checked or not is weather you get
tthat message or not.


hope this helps.


Gene nz




On 21/10/2016 5:49 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


I don't know if any of you have seen this before in thunderbird but
now in some of my messages I'm getting the "to protect your privacy"
message before even opening them. I never saw this before. I would get
that mesage when opening an email but now I'm getting it before
opening a message. Is there a way to change this? Just wondering.


Thanks.


Rosemarie



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Re: chromebooks and accessibility?

mattias
 

quick question

tech zone? wich list are it?


Den 2016-10-20 kl. 09:16, skrev Brian's Mail list account:

Its not windows, so no Nvda will not run on it, but Google may well have an accessible interface built in as the Android operating system has, but then, I'm not really a fan of cloud based apps never mind operating systems since by definition they need constant contact with the internet to work.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "ken lawrence via Groups.io" <kenlawrence124=aol.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 3:59 PM
Subject: [nvda] chromebooks and accessibility?


Hi list, ken here with a question. posted this on the tech zone but got no reply. saw an item in associated press yesterday about a new chromebook being released. I know some things about chromebooks namely that they are a bare bones computer. all they have on them is the browser and the media player. the operating system is in the cloud this chromebook I saw released new only costs $199. that seems like a good option for those on a budget. the question is can NVDA or any screen reader run on a chromebook and are they generally accessibile for blind/visually impaired? not sure if anyone on this list knows the answer to that. it seems like for someone without a laptop this could be a good option for me.



Re: getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Thanks. I didn't think of that.

On 10/20/2016 4:02 PM, Tyler Spivey wrote:
1. Press enter on a message.
2. From here, go to the View menu, Message Body As.
Either Simple HTML or Plain Text will stop that message.
If you select Plain Text, you'll lose some things such as links. They either won't show up at all in the case of some of this list's messages (unsubscribe, mute, etc at the bottom), or turn into URLs.

On 10/20/2016 3:30 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
How do I convert thunderbird to read in plain text?




On 10/20/2016 2:17 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.io wrote:
CORRECT, sorry caps was on anyway correct just read in plain text and
it will stop saying this.

On 20/10/2016 20:20, Gene wrote:
First, I'll say that I'm not a tech and those with more technical
knowledge may disagree with the following but this is what I understand
to be the case from reading and thinking about this question in the
past.

it is a bad idea to allow remote content. I'm sure there is another
much safer solution. there is a reason that remote content is not
allowed by default. it may be malicious.

If a solution involves lowering security, another solution should be
sought before deciding whether you want to use the program enough to
take a chance of lowering an important security setting.

As one example, if you allow remote content and inadvertently open a
spam message, that spam message may be able to tell the spam sender that
you are a live address and you may get more spam as a result. I don't
know technically enough about this to discuss it more fully except to
say that somehow, allowing remote content allows this to be done.

Malware can be sent to a computer if remote content is allowed just by
opening a message.

If you don't want these warnings, it is my understanding that if you get
a version of thunderbird before a certain number, this message will not
be spoken. I also expect that changing how mail is read from html to
text would stop this message. Whatever the case, there is a reason why
not only thunderb ird, but other widely used Windows e-mail programs
don't allow remote content by default.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene New Zealand <mailto:hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>
*Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:54 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] getting the "to protect your privacy" message even
before opening a message

Hi


Have a look under the tools then options then privacy settings in
thunderbird.

You will be looking for a setting called Allow remote content in
messages


mined is checked so it allows it.


On some pages when they are sent they say do not send the content but it
can be found on the website.


So depending if you have this box checked or not is weather you get
tthat message or not.


hope this helps.


Gene nz




On 21/10/2016 5:49 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


I don't know if any of you have seen this before in thunderbird but
now in some of my messages I'm getting the "to protect your privacy"
message before even opening them. I never saw this before. I would get
that mesage when opening an email but now I'm getting it before
opening a message. Is there a way to change this? Just wondering.


Thanks.


Rosemarie



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Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net









Re: getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message

Tyler Spivey
 

1. Press enter on a message.
2. From here, go to the View menu, Message Body As.
Either Simple HTML or Plain Text will stop that message.
If you select Plain Text, you'll lose some things such as links. They either won't show up at all in the case of some of this list's messages (unsubscribe, mute, etc at the bottom), or turn into URLs.

On 10/20/2016 3:30 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
How do I convert thunderbird to read in plain text?




On 10/20/2016 2:17 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.io wrote:
CORRECT, sorry caps was on anyway correct just read in plain text and
it will stop saying this.

On 20/10/2016 20:20, Gene wrote:
First, I'll say that I'm not a tech and those with more technical
knowledge may disagree with the following but this is what I understand
to be the case from reading and thinking about this question in the
past.

it is a bad idea to allow remote content. I'm sure there is another
much safer solution. there is a reason that remote content is not
allowed by default. it may be malicious.

If a solution involves lowering security, another solution should be
sought before deciding whether you want to use the program enough to
take a chance of lowering an important security setting.

As one example, if you allow remote content and inadvertently open a
spam message, that spam message may be able to tell the spam sender that
you are a live address and you may get more spam as a result. I don't
know technically enough about this to discuss it more fully except to
say that somehow, allowing remote content allows this to be done.

Malware can be sent to a computer if remote content is allowed just by
opening a message.

If you don't want these warnings, it is my understanding that if you get
a version of thunderbird before a certain number, this message will not
be spoken. I also expect that changing how mail is read from html to
text would stop this message. Whatever the case, there is a reason why
not only thunderb ird, but other widely used Windows e-mail programs
don't allow remote content by default.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene New Zealand <mailto:hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>
*Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:54 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] getting the "to protect your privacy" message even
before opening a message

Hi


Have a look under the tools then options then privacy settings in
thunderbird.

You will be looking for a setting called Allow remote content in
messages


mined is checked so it allows it.


On some pages when they are sent they say do not send the content but it
can be found on the website.


So depending if you have this box checked or not is weather you get
tthat message or not.


hope this helps.


Gene nz




On 21/10/2016 5:49 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


I don't know if any of you have seen this before in thunderbird but
now in some of my messages I'm getting the "to protect your privacy"
message before even opening them. I never saw this before. I would get
that mesage when opening an email but now I'm getting it before
opening a message. Is there a way to change this? Just wondering.


Thanks.


Rosemarie



--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net







Re: getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

How do I convert thunderbird to read in plain text?

On 10/20/2016 2:17 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.io wrote:
CORRECT, sorry caps was on anyway correct just read in plain text and it will stop saying this.

On 20/10/2016 20:20, Gene wrote:
First, I'll say that I'm not a tech and those with more technical
knowledge may disagree with the following but this is what I understand
to be the case from reading and thinking about this question in the past.

it is a bad idea to allow remote content. I'm sure there is another
much safer solution. there is a reason that remote content is not
allowed by default. it may be malicious.

If a solution involves lowering security, another solution should be
sought before deciding whether you want to use the program enough to
take a chance of lowering an important security setting.

As one example, if you allow remote content and inadvertently open a
spam message, that spam message may be able to tell the spam sender that
you are a live address and you may get more spam as a result. I don't
know technically enough about this to discuss it more fully except to
say that somehow, allowing remote content allows this to be done.

Malware can be sent to a computer if remote content is allowed just by
opening a message.

If you don't want these warnings, it is my understanding that if you get
a version of thunderbird before a certain number, this message will not
be spoken. I also expect that changing how mail is read from html to
text would stop this message. Whatever the case, there is a reason why
not only thunderb ird, but other widely used Windows e-mail programs
don't allow remote content by default.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene New Zealand <mailto:hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>
*Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:54 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] getting the "to protect your privacy" message even
before opening a message

Hi


Have a look under the tools then options then privacy settings in
thunderbird.

You will be looking for a setting called Allow remote content in messages


mined is checked so it allows it.


On some pages when they are sent they say do not send the content but it
can be found on the website.


So depending if you have this box checked or not is weather you get
tthat message or not.


hope this helps.


Gene nz




On 21/10/2016 5:49 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


I don't know if any of you have seen this before in thunderbird but
now in some of my messages I'm getting the "to protect your privacy"
message before even opening them. I never saw this before. I would get
that mesage when opening an email but now I'm getting it before
opening a message. Is there a way to change this? Just wondering.


Thanks.


Rosemarie



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material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net





Re: Outlook 2016 and Unread Messages

Gene
 

There may be something I don't understand but if unread messages are announced as unread, why does it matter if read messages are announced as read?  If you don't hear unread announced, the messages must be read. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 and Unread Messages

Dear Gene,

 

I appreciate your help. Let me explain again:

 

1. My problem is that NVDA is not announcing unread messages.

 

2. My unread messages have been set so that they do not open automatically.

 

3. When I open a folder, Nvda announces that I am in table  view. I then have the list of messages. I can read them only after keying “Enter “and so opening a message. What I find is that before opening a specific message, I can arrow up and down through the list of messages, they are announced in turn, but the ones I have not opened (and that are visually marked as unread) are not announced as unread, as they used to be in Outlook 2007.

 

Warmly,

Ralph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 2:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 and Unread Messages

 

I suspect you can't do anything about this.  There is an icon that NVDA isn't announcing, I suspect because it isn't programmed to do so.  But why is that a problem?  If unread messages are announced as unread, then the only other thing they can be is read.  If you want more control of whether the status of an announcement changes from unread to read, you may be able to control this completely by turning off the view pane.  In e-mail programs with the view pane on, as I understand it, showing a message in the view pane is actually opening the message and they will be shown as read.  If the view pane is off, then you can arrow to a message in the list and not open it and it will be announced as unread until you open it. 

Also, you may be able to change the time a message is opened before its status changes.  If you can make the time long enough, you may be able to leave the viewpane opened and still have a message shown as unread if you arrow through the message list and stop on a message briefly.

 

Also, you may have some reason we don't know why you want to have announced what is both read and unread.  If you tell us if you use the different flags for certain purposes, for example, organizing mail in certain ways, you may get suggestions you can use to do whatever you want to do.  People often don't get good help because they only ask how to do something and don't explain what they are actually trying to accomplish.  That means that the only discussion is specifically about how to do the exact thing that is asked for even when other solutions may be available and may be better.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:33 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 and Unread Messages

 

That’s taken care of. My wife can see that the unread messages are marked both with a blue font and a closed envelope.

 

Ralph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 11:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 and Unread Messages

 

One thing you need to remember is that the default configuration for Outlook is to mark a message read immediately upon opening, which means that by landing on a message it is automatically and instantly read, which is why you never hear unread.  I'm in a rush at the moment so cannot look up where in the Outlook options the "mark messages as read" delay can be set.  I know I have mine at about 5 seconds.
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Re: getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message

Gene
 

I seem to recall, a number of months ago, this problem discussed here or on another list I follow.  The only solution, in my recollection, was to use an earlier version of Thunderbird and not allow it to update.  Aside from that solution, I would expect that reading mail as plain text, as I said, would also solve the problem. 
 
It may be that this issue should be raised with NVDA developers to see if it can be solved from the NVDA standpoint.  But it appears that something changed in Thunderbird wich causes this to be read. 
 
There may be other solutions which people who use Thunderbird have come up with but I don't recall seeing any in the past.
 
While I doubt this will help, turning off reading of dynamic content could be attempted.  But I'm doubtful that this will solve the problem.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message

Yes, even good old Outlook Express will block attempts for an emails html
from getting remote content. I'd be a bit wary of whoever is sending mail
with remote content in the first place.
 One issue with reading in plain text is that links ewill probably need to
be cut and pasted into address bars which can be an issue on some of the
gibberish links one sees on newsletters from systems like mail chimp etc, so
really you need to decide which is the most convenient way.
 The chances are that you will be able to silently block  this content as
happens on Microsoft mail clients. Seems odd to me that Thunderbird does not
offer this choice.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting the "to protect your privacy" message even
before opening a message


First, I'll say that I'm not a tech and those with more technical knowledge
may disagree with the following but this is what I understand to be the case
from reading and thinking about this question in the past.

it is a bad idea to allow remote content.  I'm sure there is another much
safer solution.  there is a reason that remote content is not allowed by
default.  it may be malicious.

If a solution involves lowering security, another solution should be sought
before deciding whether you want to use the program enough to take a chance
of lowering an important security setting.

As one example, if you allow remote content and inadvertently open a spam
message, that spam message may be able to tell the spam sender that you are
a live address and you may get more spam as a result.  I don't know
technically enough about this to discuss it more fully except to say that
somehow, allowing remote content allows this to be done.

Malware can be sent to a computer if remote content is allowed just by
opening a message.

If you don't want these warnings, it is my understanding that if you get a
version of thunderbird before a certain number, this message will not be
spoken.  I also expect that changing how mail is read from html to text
would stop this message.  Whatever the case, there is a reason why not only
thunderb ird, but other widely used Windows e-mail programs don't allow
remote content by default.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting the "to protect your privacy" message even
before opening a message


Hi


Have a look under the tools then options then privacy settings in
thunderbird.

You will be looking for a setting called Allow remote content in messages


mined is checked so it allows it.


On some pages when they are sent they say do not send the content but it
can be found on the website.


So depending if you have this box checked or not is weather you get
tthat message or not.


hope this helps.


Gene nz




On 21/10/2016 5:49 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> Hi, everyone,
>
>
> I don't know if any of you have seen this before in thunderbird but
> now in some of my messages I'm getting the "to protect your privacy"
> message before even opening them. I never saw this before. I would get
> that mesage when opening an email but now I'm getting it before
> opening a message. Is there a way to change this? Just wondering.
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Rosemarie
>
>
>
>

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Re: getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message

Kevin Cussick
 

CORRECT, sorry caps was on anyway correct just read in plain text and it will stop saying this.

On 20/10/2016 20:20, Gene wrote:
First, I'll say that I'm not a tech and those with more technical
knowledge may disagree with the following but this is what I understand
to be the case from reading and thinking about this question in the past.

it is a bad idea to allow remote content. I'm sure there is another
much safer solution. there is a reason that remote content is not
allowed by default. it may be malicious.

If a solution involves lowering security, another solution should be
sought before deciding whether you want to use the program enough to
take a chance of lowering an important security setting.

As one example, if you allow remote content and inadvertently open a
spam message, that spam message may be able to tell the spam sender that
you are a live address and you may get more spam as a result. I don't
know technically enough about this to discuss it more fully except to
say that somehow, allowing remote content allows this to be done.

Malware can be sent to a computer if remote content is allowed just by
opening a message.

If you don't want these warnings, it is my understanding that if you get
a version of thunderbird before a certain number, this message will not
be spoken. I also expect that changing how mail is read from html to
text would stop this message. Whatever the case, there is a reason why
not only thunderb ird, but other widely used Windows e-mail programs
don't allow remote content by default.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene New Zealand <mailto:hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>
*Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:54 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] getting the "to protect your privacy" message even
before opening a message

Hi


Have a look under the tools then options then privacy settings in
thunderbird.

You will be looking for a setting called Allow remote content in messages


mined is checked so it allows it.


On some pages when they are sent they say do not send the content but it
can be found on the website.


So depending if you have this box checked or not is weather you get
tthat message or not.


hope this helps.


Gene nz




On 21/10/2016 5:49 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


I don't know if any of you have seen this before in thunderbird but
now in some of my messages I'm getting the "to protect your privacy"
message before even opening them. I never saw this before. I would get
that mesage when opening an email but now I'm getting it before
opening a message. Is there a way to change this? Just wondering.


Thanks.


Rosemarie



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Re: getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

I get that too, and have done so since opening thunderbird for the first time. It's configurable in the security settings, but I haven't bothered to change it yet as it hasn't irritated me enough just yet. :)

On 10/20/2016 12:49 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


I don't know if any of you have seen this before in thunderbird but now in some of my messages I'm getting the "to protect your privacy" message before even opening them. I never saw this before. I would get that mesage when opening an email but now I'm getting it before opening a message. Is there a way to change this? Just wondering.


Thanks.


Rosemarie



Re: getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Yes, even good old Outlook Express will block attempts for an emails html from getting remote content. I'd be a bit wary of whoever is sending mail with remote content in the first place.
One issue with reading in plain text is that links ewill probably need to be cut and pasted into address bars which can be an issue on some of the gibberish links one sees on newsletters from systems like mail chimp etc, so really you need to decide which is the most convenient way.
The chances are that you will be able to silently block this content as happens on Microsoft mail clients. Seems odd to me that Thunderbird does not offer this choice.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message


First, I'll say that I'm not a tech and those with more technical knowledge may disagree with the following but this is what I understand to be the case from reading and thinking about this question in the past.

it is a bad idea to allow remote content. I'm sure there is another much safer solution. there is a reason that remote content is not allowed by default. it may be malicious.

If a solution involves lowering security, another solution should be sought before deciding whether you want to use the program enough to take a chance of lowering an important security setting.

As one example, if you allow remote content and inadvertently open a spam message, that spam message may be able to tell the spam sender that you are a live address and you may get more spam as a result. I don't know technically enough about this to discuss it more fully except to say that somehow, allowing remote content allows this to be done.

Malware can be sent to a computer if remote content is allowed just by opening a message.

If you don't want these warnings, it is my understanding that if you get a version of thunderbird before a certain number, this message will not be spoken. I also expect that changing how mail is read from html to text would stop this message. Whatever the case, there is a reason why not only thunderb ird, but other widely used Windows e-mail programs don't allow remote content by default.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message


Hi


Have a look under the tools then options then privacy settings in
thunderbird.

You will be looking for a setting called Allow remote content in messages


mined is checked so it allows it.


On some pages when they are sent they say do not send the content but it
can be found on the website.


So depending if you have this box checked or not is weather you get
tthat message or not.


hope this helps.


Gene nz




On 21/10/2016 5:49 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


I don't know if any of you have seen this before in thunderbird but
now in some of my messages I'm getting the "to protect your privacy"
message before even opening them. I never saw this before. I would get
that mesage when opening an email but now I'm getting it before
opening a message. Is there a way to change this? Just wondering.


Thanks.


Rosemarie



--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net


Re: Outlook 2016 and Unread Messages

Ralph Boersema
 

Dear Gene,

 

I appreciate your help. Let me explain again:

 

1. My problem is that NVDA is not announcing unread messages.

 

2. My unread messages have been set so that they do not open automatically.

 

3. When I open a folder, Nvda announces that I am in table  view. I then have the list of messages. I can read them only after keying “Enter “and so opening a message. What I find is that before opening a specific message, I can arrow up and down through the list of messages, they are announced in turn, but the ones I have not opened (and that are visually marked as unread) are not announced as unread, as they used to be in Outlook 2007.

 

Warmly,

Ralph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 2:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 and Unread Messages

 

I suspect you can't do anything about this.  There is an icon that NVDA isn't announcing, I suspect because it isn't programmed to do so.  But why is that a problem?  If unread messages are announced as unread, then the only other thing they can be is read.  If you want more control of whether the status of an announcement changes from unread to read, you may be able to control this completely by turning off the view pane.  In e-mail programs with the view pane on, as I understand it, showing a message in the view pane is actually opening the message and they will be shown as read.  If the view pane is off, then you can arrow to a message in the list and not open it and it will be announced as unread until you open it. 

Also, you may be able to change the time a message is opened before its status changes.  If you can make the time long enough, you may be able to leave the viewpane opened and still have a message shown as unread if you arrow through the message list and stop on a message briefly.

 

Also, you may have some reason we don't know why you want to have announced what is both read and unread.  If you tell us if you use the different flags for certain purposes, for example, organizing mail in certain ways, you may get suggestions you can use to do whatever you want to do.  People often don't get good help because they only ask how to do something and don't explain what they are actually trying to accomplish.  That means that the only discussion is specifically about how to do the exact thing that is asked for even when other solutions may be available and may be better.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:33 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 and Unread Messages

 

That’s taken care of. My wife can see that the unread messages are marked both with a blue font and a closed envelope.

 

Ralph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 11:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 and Unread Messages

 

One thing you need to remember is that the default configuration for Outlook is to mark a message read immediately upon opening, which means that by landing on a message it is automatically and instantly read, which is why you never hear unread.  I'm in a rush at the moment so cannot look up where in the Outlook options the "mark messages as read" delay can be set.  I know I have mine at about 5 seconds.
--
Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

    ~ Lauren Bacall