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NVDA STRANGE RESTARTS

Heaven Botma <heaven@...>
 

Hi


I have found lately, since about NVDA 2015.4 or 2016.1, that when I navigate quickly through dialogs, such as the open dialog in word or adding attachments in gmail or outlook, or when I use File Explorer and navigate between a number of subfolders, that NVDA just decides (best case scenario) to restart or (worst case) to just stop altogether.  It is quite annoying, especially when saving a file, because my laptop only allows me to save once I have:

 

1.       Switched on Narator,

Or

2.       Restarted NVDA manually.

Does anyone else experience this problem, and if you do, how do you fix it? 

 

I have an Asus laptop with Windows 10, MS Office 2010 and NVDA 2016.2.1.

 

Regards

 

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Re: and firefox

Gene
 

Also, most mesages that appear don't require you to do anything.  They just sit there and  are replaced by a new message when a new one comes upp.
 
But if you want to try to find such messages, you may get to them by moving to the address bar control l and then tabbing a few times and then shift tabbing back to, then past where you were to find where they are displayed.  I don't recall if they are usually displayed in the same place.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] and firefox

Hi


that message has not come up recently for me to do that but I think if I remember right it can be turned off under the security section in mozillla fire fox. You will need to look for the following called Remember logins for sites and uncheck it.


Just under that section will be onecalled saved log ins if you go into that section you can remove any from there as well. It is safer to type them in each time rather than save them Unless you have a really good password as in a master password you would want to have it really hard to break.

If this is the case check the master password one. I forgot to say it is under the tools....options section in mozilla fire fox.


I know I can get to that other part you were talking about, but I can not remember how at present.



Gene nz





On 23/06/2016 12:12 PM, Chris Shook via Groups.io wrote:
Hi,
I've been using firefox for the passed few weeks for most of my brousing. I have one question. How do you get to the alert toolbars? For example, the alert that asks if you want to save the password for this website?
Thanks
Chris


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Re: Getting to web browser toolbar

Gene
 

I'm not sure what you are trying to do.  F6 is usually the way to move from one part of a window to another part of a window such as from tool bar to tool bar or from a window to tool bar or address bar or to move around to where you were originally.  Once on a tool bar, means of movement usually depends on the layout of the tool bar.  If vertical, the up and down arrows are used.  If horizontal, the left and right arrows are used. 
 
Gene

----- Original message -----
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 5:31 PM
Subject: [nvda] Getting to web browser toolbar

I feel like I'm beginning to lose my mind, but I know that I figured out how to get to the various buttons for extensions plus the menu button in Chrome and thought I posted about same.  I can get NVDA to throw focus to the Chrome Menu button by hitting ALT+F, and I can eventually get focus on the toolbar buttons between the address bar and the Menu Button playing around with the mouse, but there has to be a way to throw focus into that toolbar somehow, but I can't figure out how.  The buttons are announced accurately if I mouse-over or click on them, and the fact that I'm in a toolbar is mentioned, so this thing has to be accessible somehow.  If someone can point the way for me I would appreciate it.  If the technique is "generic" and applicable to other browsers I'd appreciate knowing that, too.

    
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Re: and firefox

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

The this page is trying to redirect message seems to be allowed with alt a.
Quite why it alerts me to this and how I can tell it to shut up permanently I have no idea.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 1:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] and firefox


Chris,

This is a SWAG based on my experience with JAWS and IE, but when a notification bar such as the one you mention pops up in IE the command ALT+N throws focus to it. Give that a try and see if it works in Firefox. Either way, please report back on your finding.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.
~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"


Re: NVDA and WLM

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

Yes this is in fact an issue on Outlook Express but its not a new thing at all, it goes back to several versions previous. The difference in OE is that it remains pane no matter what, and only restarting the email software can fix it. Its as if some hooking into the software can cause a delay in the software which then makes the email program thinks its done things that it has not done.

Most odd. I have a shortcut on my desktop for OE that reboots it by closing it without letting it save the identity its on, so it will come back up in the same one.
I've been doing this on xp and now on windows 7, ie the hacked version of OE.

I never liked live mail due to its everything in a big pile mentality, and the lack of proper ccess to the to field.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Crabtree" <briancrabtree@hotmail.co.uk>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 3:27 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and WLM


I have read the messages so far on the problems with NVDA incorrectly reporting WLM navigation on Windows 10 and would like to add the following, which may serve as clarification for other affected users and for the Devs to track down the problem. Hopefully this is not already common knowledge.

There seem to be 2 issues, although an error does not always occur and there is inconsistency in what NVDA says, even if working on the same message twice:

1. in a new message or when forwarding a message without an attachment, when you hit Tab after entering an addressee and a Subject, the focus is not on the message text box – it seems to me that the focus goes to an assumed attachment, even when there is no attachment, and hitting Tab again restores normal operation.

2. in a reply, what is spoken is the “To” box instead of focus being on the message text box. Pressing Tab to navigate is ineffective (it actually adds tabs to the message text). You can input text, but text editing is impossible, with NVDA saying only “blank” – normal operation is restored by using Alt plus Tab to go away from the reply, then again to return to it.

In a little more detail, I think I can suggest ways of detecting the likelihood of an error, until a real fix is found:
a.. in a new or forwarded message (CTRL plus N or CTRL plus F), insert the recipient, press Enter to voice the selection, tab to the Subject box and type the topic, tab to what should be the message text box, if NVDA says “document editable, blank” all should be fine, but if it says “pane, document editable, blank”, the insertion point sits in the message text box for about a second, before disappearing and subsequent typing is lost. The word “pane” is the indicator that typed text will not go into the message box, so an extra Tab is required.
b.. when replying to a message (CTRL plus R), NVDA says either “window, note, window, window, to, edit” or “document, pane, to, edit” followed by the recipient’s details, as if the focus is on the To box. In fact, the insertion point is in the message text box, typing does go into the message box and Tab inserts 4 spaces into the message text box, so is no good for navigating. Now, on trying to edit the text, although backspace does remove a character, NVDA just says “blank” (and you cannot proof read the whole message, because Caps Lock + L reads the To box contents, not the message box contents). The solution here is to press ALT plus TAB to go out and again to go back before being able to work on the message – this works either before or after starting to type into the message text box.
c.. on forwarding a message with an attachment, at the first Tab after the Subject box, NVDA voices the attachment name, in case you want to delete it, and the final tab takes you to the message text box – i.e. that works fine.
d.. just occasionally, NVDA opens a message window and stays silent – it is simplest to use ALT plus Tab to go away and then back, which should resolve the issue.
e.. for the Devs, I should reiterate that NVDA seems entirely random in what it says and sometimes repeats parts of the window heading or the “To, edit, type recipient name...” announcement, although sometimes it omits “type recipient name....”. It also says random things like “window, note, window, window” which I have not heard before.
I hope that helps in some way. Brian Crabtree
I was testing on an up to date Windows 10 system with the latest version of NVDA and Windows Live Mail 2012.


Re: A strange one.

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No its not that, as this version does not have that.

The fact that its intermittent is a bit odd.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Such" <michel.such@free.fr>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A strange one.


Hi Brian,


I already noticed this, but with LibreOffice.

In Libreoffice, I got rid of the problem by modifying an option.

They have some feature they call "smooth scrollong" that must be unchecked.

Sorry, not sure that "smooth scrolling" is the wording in English, since
my version is in French.

Don't know if the same kind of feature exists with Word.



Michel SUCH

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Twitter : @SuchMichel

Le 2016-06-22 à 16:55, Brian's Mail list account a écrit :
Has anyone else found that nvda creates som oddities when its been running for a while?
In Word, at page breaks in focus mode you find it won't go down or up past the page break depending on which side you are, unless you restart nvda, which puts word into the non active window, so when you get it back all is good again till an hour or so later on. I'm sure it never used to do this before. this ins in the next branch in windows 7, but it does not seem to be a matter of operating system. I'm using an older version of word with the old menus, so really I'd need somebody with a newer version to see if this happens. Occasionally getting to the top of a document throws an alarm error ding but not looked into this yet so thought I'd just place this out there in case.
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Re: and firefox

Marco Oros
 

Also, I'd prefer to use an object navigation to move on this password saving.


Re: and firefox

P. Otter
 


hi,
there are 2 ways to do this.
first, when you hear the question if you want to save the password, press alt plus o
that works as long you have'nt replased the arrow keys.
else pressalt o and navigate down until the end of the page but most of the time, i press shift plustab until i hear about saving the password for this page.
hope this helps
paul otter
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 2:12 AM
Subject: [nvda] and firefox

Hi,
I've been using firefox for the passed few weeks for most of my brousing. I have one question. How do you get to the alert toolbars? For example, the alert that asks if you want to save the password for this website?
Thanks
Chris


Re: Your First NVDA App Module: Session 0 posted, session 1 to be held on June 25, 2016 at NVDACon Korea TT server

蔡宗豪 Victor Cai
 

Hi,
Thank you for the reply.
Actually, its a little bit difficult to recognsize letter (l, m, p, g)
in eSpeak.

Regards,
Victor


2016-06-23 10:15 GMT+08:00, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>:

Hi,
Yes and no: yes when giving presentations, and no when reading
source code (unless if people say it would be better to use one
voice).
Cheers,
Joseph

----- Original Message -----
From: 若쀨괭 Victor Cai <surfer0627@gmail.com
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date sent: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 09:59:02 +0800
Subject: Re: [nvda] Your First NVDA App Module: Session 0 posted,
session 1 to be held on June 25, 2016 at NVDACon Korea TT server

Hi,
Will speaker use voice (Nuance Samantha) for the course?


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2016-06-19 6:53 GMT+08:00, Joseph Lee
<joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>:
Hi everyone,



Session 0 (overview) from Your First NVDA App Module course is
now
available:

http://www.nvda-kr.org/files/nvdaAppMod0.mp3



Also, session 1 (app module introduction) will be held on June
25, 2016 at
11 AM Pacific (18:00 UTC) at NVDACon Korea TeamTalk Server
(nvda-kr.org).
You need TT5 (be sure to install TT5 Classic client) and enter
the
following
server information:



* URL: nvda-kr.org

* TCP: 10333

* UDP: 10333

* No username or password required.

* Channel will be root (nvdachat).



If you are interested in learning to write app modules, please
think about
an app you feel an app module could be useful by session 1. For
those who'd
like to use this opportunity as a stepping stone for
contributing to NVDA
Core development, please checkout NVDA source code (git clone
-recursive
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda) as we'll be using app modules
in there as
examples. For people not interested in coding, don't worry - a
backstage
tour will be provided to show you how app modules work behind
the scenes.
For those who cannot make it, audio recordings of each session
will be
provided shortly after the session ends.



P.S. If you know anyone in your language community who'd like
to write app
modules, please feel free to invite them. Also, other app
module experts
are
more than welcome to chime in their expertise during course
sessions.



See you on June 25th.

Cheers,

Joseph










Re: Getting to web browser toolbar

 

Gene,

            Thanks.  I've always used ALT+D to shoot me directly to the address bar.

             I'm going to have to play with this some over the next few days.  I'm still not good with object navigation.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: Your First NVDA App Module: Session 0 posted, session 1 to be held on June 25, 2016 at NVDACon Korea TT server

 

Hi,
Yes and no: yes when giving presentations, and no when reading source code (unless if people say it would be better to use one voice).
Cheers,
Joseph

----- Original Message -----
From: 若쀨괭 Victor Cai <surfer0627@gmail.com
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date sent: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 09:59:02 +0800
Subject: Re: [nvda] Your First NVDA App Module: Session 0 posted, session 1 to be held on June 25, 2016 at NVDACon Korea TT server

Hi,
Will speaker use voice (Nuance Samantha) for the course?


--
Regards,
Victor




2016-06-19 6:53 GMT+08:00, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>:
Hi everyone,



Session 0 (overview) from Your First NVDA App Module course is now
available:

http://www.nvda-kr.org/files/nvdaAppMod0.mp3



Also, session 1 (app module introduction) will be held on June 25, 2016 at
11 AM Pacific (18:00 UTC) at NVDACon Korea TeamTalk Server (nvda-kr.org).
You need TT5 (be sure to install TT5 Classic client) and enter the
following
server information:



* URL: nvda-kr.org

* TCP: 10333

* UDP: 10333

* No username or password required.

* Channel will be root (nvdachat).



If you are interested in learning to write app modules, please think about
an app you feel an app module could be useful by session 1. For those who'd
like to use this opportunity as a stepping stone for contributing to NVDA
Core development, please checkout NVDA source code (git clone -recursive
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda) as we'll be using app modules in there as
examples. For people not interested in coding, don't worry - a backstage
tour will be provided to show you how app modules work behind the scenes.
For those who cannot make it, audio recordings of each session will be
provided shortly after the session ends.



P.S. If you know anyone in your language community who'd like to write app
modules, please feel free to invite them. Also, other app module experts
are
more than welcome to chime in their expertise during course sessions.



See you on June 25th.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Your First NVDA App Module: Session 0 posted, session 1 to be held on June 25, 2016 at NVDACon Korea TT server

蔡宗豪 Victor Cai
 

Hi,
Will speaker use voice (Nuance Samantha) for the course?


--
Regards,
Victor




2016-06-19 6:53 GMT+08:00, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>:

Hi everyone,



Session 0 (overview) from Your First NVDA App Module course is now
available:

http://www.nvda-kr.org/files/nvdaAppMod0.mp3



Also, session 1 (app module introduction) will be held on June 25, 2016 at
11 AM Pacific (18:00 UTC) at NVDACon Korea TeamTalk Server (nvda-kr.org).
You need TT5 (be sure to install TT5 Classic client) and enter the
following
server information:



* URL: nvda-kr.org

* TCP: 10333

* UDP: 10333

* No username or password required.

* Channel will be root (nvdachat).



If you are interested in learning to write app modules, please think about
an app you feel an app module could be useful by session 1. For those who'd
like to use this opportunity as a stepping stone for contributing to NVDA
Core development, please checkout NVDA source code (git clone -recursive
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda) as we'll be using app modules in there as
examples. For people not interested in coding, don't worry - a backstage
tour will be provided to show you how app modules work behind the scenes.
For those who cannot make it, audio recordings of each session will be
provided shortly after the session ends.



P.S. If you know anyone in your language community who'd like to write app
modules, please feel free to invite them. Also, other app module experts
are
more than welcome to chime in their expertise during course sessions.



See you on June 25th.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: and firefox

Albert Ruel
 

In Firefox, try alt plus our to get to the navigation bar for saving your password.

Thx, Albert

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 22, 2016, at 5:58 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Chris,

             This is a SWAG based on my experience with JAWS and IE, but when a notification bar such as the one you mention pops up in IE the command ALT+N throws focus to it.  Give that a try and see if it works in Firefox.  Either way, please report back on your finding.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: Your First NVDA App Module: Session 0 posted, session 1 to be held on June 25, 2016 at NVDACon Korea TT server

Bob J
 

Got it, thanks!

Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@blindza.co.za>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 4:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Your First NVDA App Module: Session 0 posted, session 1 to be held on June 25, 2016 at NVDACon Korea TT server


Empowermentzone.com was hacked a little while ago - here's a copy of the edSharp package from my site:
http://www.blindza.co.za/uploads/EdSharp_setup3.4.exe

And, yes, it's what I use for both python and PHP/JS, etc.

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cearbhall O'Meadhra" <cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 22 June, 2016 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Your First NVDA App Module: Session 0 posted, session 1 to be held on June 25, 2016 at NVDACon Korea TT server


Hi Cuong,

The link to EdSharp on this web page is not available. Is this due to a flaw
or how can I access the download?

-
All the best,

Cearbhall

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Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 7:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Your First NVDA App Module: Session 0 posted, session 1
to be held on June 25, 2016 at NVDACon Korea TT server

Hi
For the program has indentation like Python or c sharp, I recommend EdSharp.

You can check it info and download at
http://www.freelists.org/webpage/edsharp
This quite accessible to screen reader, and you can check whether a line has
endation or not.
Hope that help.
Cuong
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob J" <rjustice004@woh.rr.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Your First NVDA App Module: Session 0 posted, session 1
to be held on June 25, 2016 at NVDACon Korea TT server


Hello Joseph,

I'm eager to learn how to generate add-ons for NVDA! I have
experience programming computer software using several programming
languages, but, no experience with Python. I have downloaded and
installed Python version
2.7 and I am currently working my way through the tutorial included
with that package. I see that code blocks are discriminated solely
through the indentation of code lines.

Can you recommend a text editor that is Python-friendly and accessable
with NVDA? BTW, I don't use Braille, if that makes a difference.

Another thing: When I went to

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda

I was unable to figure out how to download NVDA source code (git clone
-recursive)

Do you have any suggestions?

T I A,

Bob


----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 6:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Your First NVDA App Module: Session 0 posted, session
1 to be held on June 25, 2016 at NVDACon Korea TT server


Hi everyone,



Session 0 (overview) from Your First NVDA App Module course is now
available:

http://www.nvda-kr.org/files/nvdaAppMod0.mp3



Also, session 1 (app module introduction) will be held on June 25,
2016 at
11 AM Pacific (18:00 UTC) at NVDACon Korea TeamTalk Server (nvda-kr.org).
You need TT5 (be sure to install TT5 Classic client) and enter the
following server information:



* URL: nvda-kr.org

* TCP: 10333

* UDP: 10333

* No username or password required.

* Channel will be root (nvdachat).



If you are interested in learning to write app modules, please think
about
an app you feel an app module could be useful by session 1. For those
who'd
like to use this opportunity as a stepping stone for contributing to NVDA
Core development, please checkout NVDA source code (git clone -recursive
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda) as we'll be using app modules in there
as
examples. For people not interested in coding, don't worry - a backstage
tour will be provided to show you how app modules work behind the scenes.
For those who cannot make it, audio recordings of each session will be
provided shortly after the session ends.



P.S. If you know anyone in your language community who'd like to write
app
modules, please feel free to invite them. Also, other app module experts
are
more than welcome to chime in their expertise during course sessions.



See you on June 25th.

Cheers,

Joseph


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Re: Your First NVDA App Module: Session 0 posted, session 1 to be held on June 25, 2016 at NVDACon Korea TT server

Bob J
 

Thanks! I'll check it out.

Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dang Manh Cuong" <dangmanhcuong@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Your First NVDA App Module: Session 0 posted, session 1 to be held on June 25, 2016 at NVDACon Korea TT server


Hi
For the program has indentation like Python or c sharp, I recommend EdSharp. You can check it info and download at http://www.freelists.org/webpage/edsharp
This quite accessible to screen reader, and you can check whether a line has endation or not.
Hope that help.
Cuong
---------------
Dang Manh Cuong
The Assistive technology specialist
Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
391 Lac Long Quan, ward 5, Dst 11, HCMC, Vietnam
Tel: +84862573309
E-mail: vanphong@trungtamsaomai.org; congnghe@trungtamsaomai.org
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SaoMaiCenter
Website: http://www.trungtamsaomai.org; http://www.saomaicenter.org

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob J" <rjustice004@woh.rr.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Your First NVDA App Module: Session 0 posted, session 1 to be held on June 25, 2016 at NVDACon Korea TT server


Hello Joseph,

I'm eager to learn how to generate add-ons for NVDA! I have experience programming computer software using several programming languages, but, no experience with Python. I have downloaded and installed Python version 2.7 and I am currently working my way through the tutorial included with that package. I see that code blocks are discriminated solely through the indentation of code lines.

Can you recommend a text editor that is Python-friendly and accessable with NVDA? BTW, I don't use Braille, if that makes a difference.

Another thing: When I went to

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda

I was unable to figure out how to download NVDA source code (git clone -recursive)

Do you have any suggestions?

T I A,

Bob


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From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 6:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Your First NVDA App Module: Session 0 posted, session 1 to be held on June 25, 2016 at NVDACon Korea TT server


Hi everyone,



Session 0 (overview) from Your First NVDA App Module course is now
available:

http://www.nvda-kr.org/files/nvdaAppMod0.mp3



Also, session 1 (app module introduction) will be held on June 25, 2016 at
11 AM Pacific (18:00 UTC) at NVDACon Korea TeamTalk Server (nvda-kr.org).
You need TT5 (be sure to install TT5 Classic client) and enter the following
server information:



* URL: nvda-kr.org

* TCP: 10333

* UDP: 10333

* No username or password required.

* Channel will be root (nvdachat).



If you are interested in learning to write app modules, please think about
an app you feel an app module could be useful by session 1. For those who'd
like to use this opportunity as a stepping stone for contributing to NVDA
Core development, please checkout NVDA source code (git clone -recursive
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda) as we'll be using app modules in there as
examples. For people not interested in coding, don't worry - a backstage
tour will be provided to show you how app modules work behind the scenes.
For those who cannot make it, audio recordings of each session will be
provided shortly after the session ends.



P.S. If you know anyone in your language community who'd like to write app
modules, please feel free to invite them. Also, other app module experts are
more than welcome to chime in their expertise during course sessions.



See you on June 25th.

Cheers,

Joseph


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Re: and firefox

 

Chris,

             This is a SWAG based on my experience with JAWS and IE, but when a notification bar such as the one you mention pops up in IE the command ALT+N throws focus to it.  Give that a try and see if it works in Firefox.  Either way, please report back on your finding.
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Re: and firefox

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


that message has not come up recently for me to do that but I think if I remember right it can be turned off under the security section in mozillla fire fox. You will need to look for the following called Remember logins for sites and uncheck it.


Just under that section will be onecalled saved log ins if you go into that section you can remove any from there as well. It is safer to type them in each time rather than save them Unless you have a really good password as in a master password you would want to have it really hard to break.

If this is the case check the master password one. I forgot to say it is under the tools....options section in mozilla fire fox.


I know I can get to that other part you were talking about, but I can not remember how at present.



Gene nz





On 23/06/2016 12:12 PM, Chris Shook via Groups.io wrote:
Hi,
I've been using firefox for the passed few weeks for most of my brousing. I have one question. How do you get to the alert toolbars? For example, the alert that asks if you want to save the password for this website?
Thanks
Chris


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and firefox

Chris Shook <cshook0309@...>
 

Hi,
I've been using firefox for the passed few weeks for most of my brousing. I have one question. How do you get to the alert toolbars? For example, the alert that asks if you want to save the password for this website?
Thanks
Chris


Re: Getting to web browser toolbar

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Brian


I forgot to mention as well you can get to the location bar using the f6 key a couple of times as well. If you leave NVDA in simple mode under the review cursor  you can get to those buttons etc on one level, but if you turn it off to see more you might have to go up a level or 2 to find those same things.


On the numberic key pad when object navigation on the desktop use the NVDA key + the number 4 to go left, the nvda key + the number 6 to go right, the nvda key + the number 8 to go up a level and the nvda key + the number 2 to go down a level


There is also a add on called golden cursor that will get you to those areas and can be controled by the keyboard.


Gene nz



On 23/06/2016 10:31 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

I feel like I'm beginning to lose my mind, but I know that I figured out how to get to the various buttons for extensions plus the menu button in Chrome and thought I posted about same.  I can get NVDA to throw focus to the Chrome Menu button by hitting ALT+F, and I can eventually get focus on the toolbar buttons between the address bar and the Menu Button playing around with the mouse, but there has to be a way to throw focus into that toolbar somehow, but I can't figure out how.  The buttons are announced accurately if I mouse-over or click on them, and the fact that I'm in a toolbar is mentioned, so this thing has to be accessible somehow.  If someone can point the way for me I would appreciate it.  If the technique is "generic" and applicable to other browsers I'd appreciate knowing that, too.

    
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Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



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Re: Getting to web browser toolbar

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Brian


Do you mean as in the back, forwards buttons etc there?


I just gave it a whirl to see if I could get to those areas and  not sure of any shortcuts as I use the keyboard only


I tried it with google chrome K and done the following. Pressed the CTRL key + the letter L to get to the location and search bar. When he stopped talking, I then used object navigation. I use a desktop pc so then went to the numeric keypad. Pressed the NVDA key and the number 1 on the numeric keypad to change into that mode it was spoken.


then I used the NVDA key + the number 4 on the numeric keypad to go to the left. I would hear home reload etc.

Under the review cursor settings in NVDA if the simple mode is unchecked it will let you see more in that area. you might have to poke around there  to find what you want but say if i wanted to activate a button i could use the nvda key + the enter key to do this.


Have you used object navigation before? If not all the commands can be found in the user manual under Brian


Just under that section it gives you more info onn the other modes NVDA can use. Depending which app you are using may depend which mode you might have to be in.


Gene nz



On 23/06/2016 10:31 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

I feel like I'm beginning to lose my mind, but I know that I figured out how to get to the various buttons for extensions plus the menu button in Chrome and thought I posted about same.  I can get NVDA to throw focus to the Chrome Menu button by hitting ALT+F, and I can eventually get focus on the toolbar buttons between the address bar and the Menu Button playing around with the mouse, but there has to be a way to throw focus into that toolbar somehow, but I can't figure out how.  The buttons are announced accurately if I mouse-over or click on them, and the fact that I'm in a toolbar is mentioned, so this thing has to be accessible somehow.  If someone can point the way for me I would appreciate it.  If the technique is "generic" and applicable to other browsers I'd appreciate knowing that, too.

    
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



-- 
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net