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NVDA STRANGE RESTARTS
Heaven Botma <heaven@...>
Hi
1. Switched on Narator, Or 2. Restarted NVDA manually. Does anyone else experience this problem, and if you do, how do you fix it?
I have an Asus laptop with Windows 10, MS Office 2010 and NVDA 2016.2.1.
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Re: and firefox
Gene
Also, most mesages that appear don't require you to
do anything. They just sit there and are replaced by a new message
when a new one comes upp.
But if you want to try to find such messages, you
may get to them by moving to the address bar control l and then tabbing a few
times and then shift tabbing back to, then past where you were to find where
they are displayed. I don't recall if they are usually displayed in the
same place.
Gene
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Hi that message has not come up recently for me to do that but I think if I remember right it can be turned off under the security section in mozillla fire fox. You will need to look for the following called Remember logins for sites and uncheck it. Just under that section will be onecalled saved log ins if you go into that section you can remove any from there as well. It is safer to type them in each time rather than save them Unless you have a really good password as in a master password you would want to have it really hard to break. If this is the case check the master password one. I forgot to say it is under the tools....options section in mozilla fire fox. I know I can get to that other part you were talking about, but I can not remember how at present. Gene nz On 23/06/2016 12:12 PM, Chris Shook via Groups.io
wrote:
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Re: Getting to web browser toolbar
Gene
I'm not sure what you are trying to do. F6 is
usually the way to move from one part of a window to another part of a window
such as from tool bar to tool bar or from a window to tool bar or address bar or
to move around to where you were originally. Once on a tool bar, means of
movement usually depends on the layout of the tool bar. If vertical, the
up and down arrows are used. If horizontal, the left and right arrows are
used.
Gene
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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 5:31 PM
Subject: [nvda] Getting to web browser toolbar I feel like I'm beginning to lose my mind, but I know that I figured out how to get to the various buttons for extensions plus the menu button in Chrome and thought I posted about same. I can get NVDA to throw focus to the Chrome Menu button by hitting ALT+F, and I can eventually get focus on the toolbar buttons between the address bar and the Menu Button playing around with the mouse, but there has to be a way to throw focus into that toolbar somehow, but I can't figure out how. The buttons are announced accurately if I mouse-over or click on them, and the fact that I'm in a toolbar is mentioned, so this thing has to be accessible somehow. If someone can point the way for me I would appreciate it. If the technique is "generic" and applicable to other browsers I'd appreciate knowing that, too. I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up. ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the
Universe"
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Re: and firefox
Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
The this page is trying to redirect message seems to be allowed with alt a.
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Quite why it alerts me to this and how I can tell it to shut up permanently I have no idea. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 1:58 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] and firefox Chris, This is a SWAG based on my experience with JAWS and IE, but when a notification bar such as the one you mention pops up in IE the command ALT+N throws focus to it. Give that a try and see if it works in Firefox. Either way, please report back on your finding. -- Brian I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up. ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"
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Re: NVDA and WLM
Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
Yes this is in fact an issue on Outlook Express but its not a new thing at all, it goes back to several versions previous. The difference in OE is that it remains pane no matter what, and only restarting the email software can fix it. Its as if some hooking into the software can cause a delay in the software which then makes the email program thinks its done things that it has not done.
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Most odd. I have a shortcut on my desktop for OE that reboots it by closing it without letting it save the identity its on, so it will come back up in the same one. I've been doing this on xp and now on windows 7, ie the hacked version of OE. I never liked live mail due to its everything in a big pile mentality, and the lack of proper ccess to the to field. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Brian Crabtree" <briancrabtree@hotmail.co.uk> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 3:27 PM Subject: [nvda] NVDA and WLM I have read the messages so far on the problems with NVDA incorrectly reporting WLM navigation on Windows 10 and would like to add the following, which may serve as clarification for other affected users and for the Devs to track down the problem. Hopefully this is not already common knowledge. There seem to be 2 issues, although an error does not always occur and there is inconsistency in what NVDA says, even if working on the same message twice: 1. in a new message or when forwarding a message without an attachment, when you hit Tab after entering an addressee and a Subject, the focus is not on the message text box – it seems to me that the focus goes to an assumed attachment, even when there is no attachment, and hitting Tab again restores normal operation. 2. in a reply, what is spoken is the “To” box instead of focus being on the message text box. Pressing Tab to navigate is ineffective (it actually adds tabs to the message text). You can input text, but text editing is impossible, with NVDA saying only “blank” – normal operation is restored by using Alt plus Tab to go away from the reply, then again to return to it. In a little more detail, I think I can suggest ways of detecting the likelihood of an error, until a real fix is found: a.. in a new or forwarded message (CTRL plus N or CTRL plus F), insert the recipient, press Enter to voice the selection, tab to the Subject box and type the topic, tab to what should be the message text box, if NVDA says “document editable, blank” all should be fine, but if it says “pane, document editable, blank”, the insertion point sits in the message text box for about a second, before disappearing and subsequent typing is lost. The word “pane” is the indicator that typed text will not go into the message box, so an extra Tab is required. b.. when replying to a message (CTRL plus R), NVDA says either “window, note, window, window, to, edit” or “document, pane, to, edit” followed by the recipient’s details, as if the focus is on the To box. In fact, the insertion point is in the message text box, typing does go into the message box and Tab inserts 4 spaces into the message text box, so is no good for navigating. Now, on trying to edit the text, although backspace does remove a character, NVDA just says “blank” (and you cannot proof read the whole message, because Caps Lock + L reads the To box contents, not the message box contents). The solution here is to press ALT plus TAB to go out and again to go back before being able to work on the message – this works either before or after starting to type into the message text box. c.. on forwarding a message with an attachment, at the first Tab after the Subject box, NVDA voices the attachment name, in case you want to delete it, and the final tab takes you to the message text box – i.e. that works fine. d.. just occasionally, NVDA opens a message window and stays silent – it is simplest to use ALT plus Tab to go away and then back, which should resolve the issue. e.. for the Devs, I should reiterate that NVDA seems entirely random in what it says and sometimes repeats parts of the window heading or the “To, edit, type recipient name...” announcement, although sometimes it omits “type recipient name....”. It also says random things like “window, note, window, window” which I have not heard before. I hope that helps in some way. Brian Crabtree I was testing on an up to date Windows 10 system with the latest version of NVDA and Windows Live Mail 2012.
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Re: A strange one.
Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
No its not that, as this version does not have that.
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The fact that its intermittent is a bit odd. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Michel Such" <michel.such@free.fr> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] A strange one. Hi Brian, I already noticed this, but with LibreOffice. In Libreoffice, I got rid of the problem by modifying an option. They have some feature they call "smooth scrollong" that must be unchecked. Sorry, not sure that "smooth scrolling" is the wording in English, since my version is in French. Don't know if the same kind of feature exists with Word. Michel SUCH michel.such@free.fr Skype : michel.such Twitter : @SuchMichel Le 2016-06-22 à 16:55, Brian's Mail list account a écrit : Has anyone else found that nvda creates som oddities when its been running for a while?
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Re: and firefox
Also, I'd prefer to use an object navigation to move on this password saving.
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Re: and firefox
P. Otter
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hi,
there are 2 ways to do this.
first, when you hear the question if you want to
save the password, press alt plus o
that works as long you have'nt replased the arrow
keys.
else pressalt o and navigate down until the end of
the page but most of the time, i press shift plustab until i hear about saving
the password for this page.
hope this helps
paul otter
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Re: Your First NVDA App Module: Session 0 posted, session 1 to be held on June 25, 2016 at NVDACon Korea TT server
蔡宗豪 Victor Cai
Hi,
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Thank you for the reply. Actually, its a little bit difficult to recognsize letter (l, m, p, g) in eSpeak. Regards, Victor 2016-06-23 10:15 GMT+08:00, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>:
Hi,
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Re: Getting to web browser toolbar
Gene, Thanks. I've always used ALT+D to shoot me directly to the address bar. I'm going to have to play with this some over the next few days. I'm still not good with object navigation. I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up. ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"
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Re: Your First NVDA App Module: Session 0 posted, session 1 to be held on June 25, 2016 at NVDACon Korea TT server
Hi,
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Yes and no: yes when giving presentations, and no when reading source code (unless if people say it would be better to use one voice). Cheers, Joseph
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From: 若쀨괭 Victor Cai <surfer0627@gmail.com To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Date sent: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 09:59:02 +0800 Subject: Re: [nvda] Your First NVDA App Module: Session 0 posted, session 1 to be held on June 25, 2016 at NVDACon Korea TT server Hi, Will speaker use voice (Nuance Samantha) for the course? -- Regards, Victor 2016-06-19 6:53 GMT+08:00, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>: Hi everyone, Session 0 (overview) from Your First NVDA App Module course is now available: http://www.nvda-kr.org/files/nvdaAppMod0.mp3 Also, session 1 (app module introduction) will be held on June 25, 2016 at 11 AM Pacific (18:00 UTC) at NVDACon Korea TeamTalk Server (nvda-kr.org). You need TT5 (be sure to install TT5 Classic client) and enter the following server information: * URL: nvda-kr.org * TCP: 10333 * UDP: 10333 * No username or password required. * Channel will be root (nvdachat). If you are interested in learning to write app modules, please think about an app you feel an app module could be useful by session 1. For those who'd like to use this opportunity as a stepping stone for contributing to NVDA Core development, please checkout NVDA source code (git clone -recursive https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda) as we'll be using app modules in there as examples. For people not interested in coding, don't worry - a backstage tour will be provided to show you how app modules work behind the scenes. For those who cannot make it, audio recordings of each session will be provided shortly after the session ends. P.S. If you know anyone in your language community who'd like to write app modules, please feel free to invite them. Also, other app module experts are more than welcome to chime in their expertise during course sessions. See you on June 25th. Cheers, Joseph
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Re: Your First NVDA App Module: Session 0 posted, session 1 to be held on June 25, 2016 at NVDACon Korea TT server
蔡宗豪 Victor Cai
Hi,
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Will speaker use voice (Nuance Samantha) for the course? -- Regards, Victor 2016-06-19 6:53 GMT+08:00, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>:
Hi everyone,
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Re: and firefox
Albert Ruel
In Firefox, try alt plus our to get to the navigation bar for saving your password. Thx, Albert Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 22, 2016, at 5:58 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Chris, This is a SWAG based on my experience with JAWS and IE, but when a notification bar such as the one you mention pops up in IE the command ALT+N throws focus to it. Give that a try and see if it works in Firefox. Either way, please report back on your finding. I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up. ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"
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Re: Your First NVDA App Module: Session 0 posted, session 1 to be held on June 25, 2016 at NVDACon Korea TT server
Bob J
Got it, thanks!
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Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@blindza.co.za> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 4:00 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Your First NVDA App Module: Session 0 posted, session 1 to be held on June 25, 2016 at NVDACon Korea TT server Empowermentzone.com was hacked a little while ago - here's a copy of the edSharp package from my site: --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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Re: Your First NVDA App Module: Session 0 posted, session 1 to be held on June 25, 2016 at NVDACon Korea TT server
Bob J
Thanks! I'll check it out.
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Bob
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From: "Dang Manh Cuong" <dangmanhcuong@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 2:28 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Your First NVDA App Module: Session 0 posted, session 1 to be held on June 25, 2016 at NVDACon Korea TT server Hi --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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Re: and firefox
Chris, This is a SWAG based on my experience with JAWS and IE, but when a notification bar such as the one you mention pops up in IE the command ALT+N throws focus to it. Give that a try and see if it works in Firefox. Either way, please report back on your finding. I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up. ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"
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Re: and firefox
Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
Hi
that message has not come up recently for me to do that but I think if I remember right it can be turned off under the security section in mozillla fire fox. You will need to look for the following called Remember logins for sites and uncheck it.
Just under that section will be onecalled saved log ins if you go into that section you can remove any from there as well. It is safer to type them in each time rather than save them Unless you have a really good password as in a master password you would want to have it really hard to break. If this is the case check the master password one. I forgot to say it is under the tools....options section in mozilla fire fox.
I know I can get to that other part you were talking about, but I can not remember how at present.
Gene nz
On 23/06/2016 12:12 PM, Chris Shook via Groups.io wrote:
-- Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
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and firefox
Chris Shook <cshook0309@...>
Hi, I've been using firefox for the passed few weeks for most of my brousing. I have one question. How do you get to the alert toolbars? For example, the alert that asks if you want to save the password for this website? Thanks Chris
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Re: Getting to web browser toolbar
Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
Hi Brian
I forgot to mention as well you can get to the location bar using the f6 key a couple of times as well. If you leave NVDA in simple mode under the review cursor you can get to those buttons etc on one level, but if you turn it off to see more you might have to go up a level or 2 to find those same things.
On the numberic key pad when object navigation on the desktop use the NVDA key + the number 4 to go left, the nvda key + the number 6 to go right, the nvda key + the number 8 to go up a level and the nvda key + the number 2 to go down a level
There is also a add on called golden cursor that will get you to those areas and can be controled by the keyboard.
Gene nz
On 23/06/2016 10:31 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
-- Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
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Re: Getting to web browser toolbar
Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
Hi Brian
Do you mean as in the back, forwards buttons etc there?
I just gave it a whirl to see if I could get to those areas and not sure of any shortcuts as I use the keyboard only
I tried it with google chrome K and done the following. Pressed the CTRL key + the letter L to get to the location and search bar. When he stopped talking, I then used object navigation. I use a desktop pc so then went to the numeric keypad. Pressed the NVDA key and the number 1 on the numeric keypad to change into that mode it was spoken.
then I used the NVDA key + the number 4 on the numeric keypad to go to the left. I would hear home reload etc. Under the review cursor settings in NVDA if the simple mode is unchecked it will let you see more in that area. you might have to poke around there to find what you want but say if i wanted to activate a button i could use the nvda key + the enter key to do this.
Have you used object navigation before? If not all the commands can be found in the user manual under Brian
Just under that section it gives you more info onn the other modes NVDA can use. Depending which app you are using may depend which mode you might have to be in.
Gene nz
On 23/06/2016 10:31 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
-- Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
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