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Re: [NVDA] NVDA with MS Excel

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Cearbhall,

 

I am afraid not. The strange thing is that I can edit in cells in Excel 201 and 2016 but not in Excel 2010. Are you running 32 or 64 bit windows? If 32 bit, try Excel 2010 on a machine running 64bit windows. I find editing in cells works.

 

Pranav

 

 

From: Cearbhall O'Meadhra [mailto:cearbhall.omeadhra@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 4:04 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] NVDA with MS Excel

 

Pranav,

 

I thought this had solved the problem last January but I was mistaken. Even with “allow editing directly in cells” and “hardware graphics acceleration” disabled in the advanced options I am still getting the floating balnked charcters as before.

 

I am running Excel 2010 under windows 10 with NVDA 2016.1

 

Any other suggestions?

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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From: nvda-bounce@... [mailto:nvda-bounce@...] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 3:08 AM
To: nvda@...
Subject: [NVDA] Re: NVDA with MS Excel

 

Hi Chris,

 

I have experienced your issues with editing formulas in cells on my work laptop which is running windows 7 32bit and office 2013. However, I am on windows 10 on a 64 bit machine running excel 2016 and do not have this problem. I had similar experiences with windows 7 64bit that is, I was able to edit text in cells directly.

 

Try making the following changes.

1.       From the advanced tab, disable allow editing directly in cells.

2.       Disable hardware graphics acceleration  again in the advanced tab.

Pranav

 

From: nvda-bounce@... [mailto:nvda-bounce@...] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 11:21 PM
To: nvda@...
Subject: [NVDA] NVDA with MS Excel

 

Hi

Has anyone encountered problems using MS Excel, in particular when using the VBA editor to write macros (I am using Windows 7), Office 2007.  NVDA occasionally announces ‘blank’ where there are letters (this occurs mainly wen the letter follows an open bracket)  and may also miss out entire lines of code when moving around using the arrow keys.  This behaviour also occurs after pressing F2 to display a formula.  Using the Tools/Options dialog,to configure the VBA editor,   I have set font to Courier New Western and pointsize to 10  but NVDA announces it as Ariel 8 point.    

 

Does anyone know of any work arounds or NVDA parameters I can use to prevent this behaviour from occurring?

 

Cheers

Chris

 

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which windows launcher like program is accessible with NVDA?

Mr. Wong Chi Wai <cwwong.pro@...>
 

Hi,
I know some little program like launhchy can search for the entire computer and also can act as a quick launcher for software.
Do anyone know any of these are accessible?
Thank

nasrin khaksar 於 15/3/2016 21:37 寫道:

hi joseph.
thanks so much for your nvda con.
i realy appreciate your efferts and islam advices us to be grateful to
people do sincere efferts and help others.
i wish successful, devine mercys and blessings for you and your corporate team.
if someone educate me using teamtalk, i am very happy to participate
in your international con.
nvda is the best screen readers now and forever.

On 3/15/16, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:
Hi Scott,
Well, do let us know in case you have some specific Teamtalk problems
or troubleshooting requirements, and the TT experts here may be able
to help you.
Just to note, you can communicate in the conference via text messages
as well as audio conversation. Text chats are always recognized and
read out by others. If microphone configuration with TT is an issue
for you, hope that may no longer need to be an impediment for
participation in NVDACon. :) smiles
Thanks.

On 3/15/16, Scott VanDeWalle <scottvandewalle2@...> wrote:
Hello, i plan to be there, if i can get team talk working on my system.
I tried before and it didn't work, so we'll see i guess.smile.

Scott

On 3/14/2016 9:56 PM, Bhavya shah wrote:
Hi Scott, Joseph and others,
It was great fun for me too to be a part of the recent Accessible
World Techtalk presentation, and am thankful to Joseph for the same.
Just like this recent Techtalk event related to NVDA, I would
encourage everyone to participate in this, and future events,
including the NVDACon International 2016, of course. Looking forward
to seeing you out there, Scott, and many others.
Thanks.

On 3/15/16, Scott VanDeWalle <scottvandewalle2@...> wrote:
Hello Joseph and all.
First of all I wanted to say thanks Joseph, that was fun to listen to.
I will have to reinstall the plugin though because I tried to talk and
it didn't work i think.
But, thanks again.
Maybe some day I'll actually get to talk to you all in voice during one
of these things.

I'm planning to be there during at least some of the nvda con sessions.
Sounds like it'll be fun.

Well, that is all for now.

Talk to you all later.

Scott V





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Re: The UEB table used in NVDA

 

Hi,
The table set and the library are sort of interrelated. You can add new
tables without modifying the library, and the only way to add new table for
use by NVDA is modifying the source code.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher-Mark Gilland [mailto:@AHeart4God316]
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 5:23 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] The UEB table used in NVDA

Right, I get that, but is there a way one could modify that library to add
new tables which aren't there already?
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

@AHeart4God316
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <@joslee>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The UEB table used in NVDA


Hi,
Braille tables in NVDA comes from LibLouis, the braille translation
library used by NVDA.
Cheers,
Joseph

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben J. Bloomgren" <bbloomgren@...
To: nvda@groups.io
Date sent: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 17:01:24 -0700
Subject: Re: [nvda] The UEB table used in NVDA

How does one implement Braille tables into NVDA which aren't currently
present? There's a jerry-rigged way to do so with the *.JBT files within
Jaws.

Ben
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
To: nvda@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 12:50
Subject: Re: [nvda] The UEB table used in NVDA


Hi,

Ah yes.

I do plan to publish a third-party try build that'll include newer UEB
tables (as an experimental option), likely tomorrow or sometime this
weekend..

Cheers,

Joseph



From: Sharni-Lee Ward [mailto:sharni-lee.ward@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 12:49 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] The UEB table used in NVDA



Hi,

In recent emails, I mentioned I had a Focus 40 Braille display and was
wondering about inconsistencies with the Braille output. I've noticed a
couple other things that didn't gel with my knowledge of Unified English
Braille. Joseph told me NVDA was using an outdated version of the table,
but since these things were present both when I first got the pamphlet
about UEB in School in 2005 and in an overview I found via Google dated
March 2013, I find myself a little confused.

1. Related to previously mentioned formatting inconsistencies. The
italic terminator is used after a single word thus emphasised instead of
the italic word indicator appearing before it. This is also true of bold
and likely other such formatting.
2. "E-a" is not contracted in the middle of words. Neither is "cc". I
know "dd" was removed but nothing was mentioned about "cc" and since it's
in the middle of the cell, it should have been just fine.
3. And, For, Of, The and With are still presented as being next to each
other with no spaces. This, as I recall and as the 2013 overview clearly
states, was changed in UEB.

This is coming from someone who only got her Braille Display two weeks
ago and who never looked at Braille-related emails before then due to the
content not being relevant before aforementioned acquisition of a Braille
Display, so if anything like this has been mentioned before, I apologise.
Also, if there have been any changes to the UEB code since 2013 that I
don't know about, I'd like a link.

I look forward to those working on the Braille side of things correcting
these problems, if indeed some of them are problems, and although I hope
it will be in the next update, I don't know the work that goes into such
coding. I just thought I'd point them out in case nobody had as yet. My
earlier point about emdashes and italicised passages has already been
brought to Joseph's attention, so I needn't go over that again. :D






Re: The UEB table used in NVDA

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Right, I get that, but is there a way one could modify that library to add new tables which aren't there already?
---
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JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

@AHeart4God316
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <@joslee>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The UEB table used in NVDA


Hi,
Braille tables in NVDA comes from LibLouis, the braille translation library used by NVDA.
Cheers,
Joseph

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben J. Bloomgren" <bbloomgren@...
To: nvda@groups.io
Date sent: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 17:01:24 -0700
Subject: Re: [nvda] The UEB table used in NVDA

How does one implement Braille tables into NVDA which aren't currently present? There's a jerry-rigged way to do so with the *.JBT files within Jaws.

Ben
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
To: nvda@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 12:50
Subject: Re: [nvda] The UEB table used in NVDA


Hi,

Ah yes.

I do plan to publish a third-party try build that'll include newer UEB tables (as an experimental option), likely tomorrow or sometime this weekend..

Cheers,

Joseph



From: Sharni-Lee Ward [mailto:sharni-lee.ward@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 12:49 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] The UEB table used in NVDA



Hi,

In recent emails, I mentioned I had a Focus 40 Braille display and was wondering about inconsistencies with the Braille output. I've noticed a couple other things that didn't gel with my knowledge of Unified English Braille. Joseph told me NVDA was using an outdated version of the table, but since these things were present both when I first got the pamphlet about UEB in School in 2005 and in an overview I found via Google dated March 2013, I find myself a little confused.

1. Related to previously mentioned formatting inconsistencies. The italic terminator is used after a single word thus emphasised instead of the italic word indicator appearing before it. This is also true of bold and likely other such formatting.
2. "E-a" is not contracted in the middle of words. Neither is "cc". I know "dd" was removed but nothing was mentioned about "cc" and since it's in the middle of the cell, it should have been just fine.
3. And, For, Of, The and With are still presented as being next to each other with no spaces. This, as I recall and as the 2013 overview clearly states, was changed in UEB.

This is coming from someone who only got her Braille Display two weeks ago and who never looked at Braille-related emails before then due to the content not being relevant before aforementioned acquisition of a Braille Display, so if anything like this has been mentioned before, I apologise. Also, if there have been any changes to the UEB code since 2013 that I don't know about, I'd like a link.

I look forward to those working on the Braille side of things correcting these problems, if indeed some of them are problems, and although I hope it will be in the next update, I don't know the work that goes into such coding. I just thought I'd point them out in case nobody had as yet. My earlier point about emdashes and italicised passages has already been brought to Joseph's attention, so I needn't go over that again. :D





Re: The UEB table used in NVDA

 

Hi,
Braille tables in NVDA comes from LibLouis, the braille translation library used by NVDA.
Cheers,
Joseph

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben J. Bloomgren" <bbloomgren@...
To: nvda@groups.io
Date sent: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 17:01:24 -0700
Subject: Re: [nvda] The UEB table used in NVDA

How does one implement Braille tables into NVDA which aren't currently present? There's a jerry-rigged way to do so with the *.JBT files within Jaws.

Ben
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
To: nvda@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 12:50
Subject: Re: [nvda] The UEB table used in NVDA


Hi,

Ah yes.

I do plan to publish a third-party try build that'll include newer UEB tables (as an experimental option), likely tomorrow or sometime this weekend..

Cheers,

Joseph



From: Sharni-Lee Ward [mailto:sharni-lee.ward@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 12:49 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] The UEB table used in NVDA



Hi,

In recent emails, I mentioned I had a Focus 40 Braille display and was wondering about inconsistencies with the Braille output. I've noticed a couple other things that didn't gel with my knowledge of Unified English Braille. Joseph told me NVDA was using an outdated version of the table, but since these things were present both when I first got the pamphlet about UEB in School in 2005 and in an overview I found via Google dated March 2013, I find myself a little confused.

1. Related to previously mentioned formatting inconsistencies. The italic terminator is used after a single word thus emphasised instead of the italic word indicator appearing before it. This is also true of bold and likely other such formatting.
2. "E-a" is not contracted in the middle of words. Neither is "cc". I know "dd" was removed but nothing was mentioned about "cc" and since it's in the middle of the cell, it should have been just fine.
3. And, For, Of, The and With are still presented as being next to each other with no spaces. This, as I recall and as the 2013 overview clearly states, was changed in UEB.

This is coming from someone who only got her Braille Display two weeks ago and who never looked at Braille-related emails before then due to the content not being relevant before aforementioned acquisition of a Braille Display, so if anything like this has been mentioned before, I apologise. Also, if there have been any changes to the UEB code since 2013 that I don't know about, I'd like a link.

I look forward to those working on the Braille side of things correcting these problems, if indeed some of them are problems, and although I hope it will be in the next update, I don't know the work that goes into such coding. I just thought I'd point them out in case nobody had as yet. My earlier point about emdashes and italicised passages has already been brought to Joseph's attention, so I needn't go over that again. :D

Re: The UEB table used in NVDA

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Ben,
 They've updated JFW where it's not as hard as that old trick you did in V11 anymore.  I can help you privately with this more, if you'd like.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.
 
clgilland07@...
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The UEB table used in NVDA

How does one implement Braille tables into NVDA which aren't currently present? There's a jerry-rigged way to do so with the *.JBT files within Jaws.
 
Ben
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 12:50
Subject: Re: [nvda] The UEB table used in NVDA

Hi,

Ah yes…

I do plan to publish a third-party try build that’ll include newer UEB tables (as an experimental option), likely tomorrow or sometime this weekend.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: Sharni-Lee Ward [mailto:sharni-lee.ward@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 12:49 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] The UEB table used in NVDA

 

Hi,

In recent emails, I mentioned I had a Focus 40 Braille display and was wondering about inconsistencies with the Braille output. I've noticed a couple other things that didn't gel with my knowledge of Unified English Braille. Joseph told me NVDA was using an outdated version of the table, but since these things were present both when I first got the pamphlet about UEB in School in 2005 and in an overview I found via Google dated March 2013, I find myself a little confused.

1. Related to previously mentioned formatting inconsistencies. The italic terminator is used after a single word thus emphasised instead of the italic word indicator appearing before it. This is also true of bold and likely other such formatting.
2. "E-a" is not contracted in the middle of words. Neither is "cc". I know "dd" was removed but nothing was mentioned about "cc" and since it's in the middle of the cell, it should have been just fine.
3. And, For, Of, The and With are still presented as being next to each other with no spaces. This, as I recall and as the 2013 overview clearly states, was changed in UEB.

This is coming from someone who only got her Braille Display two weeks ago and who never looked at Braille-related emails before then due to the content not being relevant before aforementioned acquisition of a Braille Display, so if anything like this has been mentioned before, I apologise. Also, if there have been any changes to the UEB code since 2013 that I don't know about, I'd like a link.

I look forward to those working on the Braille side of things correcting these problems, if indeed some of them are problems, and although I hope it will be in the next update, I don't know the work that goes into such coding. I just thought I'd point them out in case nobody had as yet. My earlier point about emdashes and italicised passages has already been brought to Joseph's attention, so I needn't go over that again. :D

Re: The UEB table used in NVDA

Ben J. Bloomgren
 

How does one implement Braille tables into NVDA which aren't currently present? There's a jerry-rigged way to do so with the *.JBT files within Jaws.
 
Ben

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 12:50
Subject: Re: [nvda] The UEB table used in NVDA

Hi,

Ah yes…

I do plan to publish a third-party try build that’ll include newer UEB tables (as an experimental option), likely tomorrow or sometime this weekend.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: Sharni-Lee Ward [mailto:sharni-lee.ward@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 12:49 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] The UEB table used in NVDA

 

Hi,

In recent emails, I mentioned I had a Focus 40 Braille display and was wondering about inconsistencies with the Braille output. I've noticed a couple other things that didn't gel with my knowledge of Unified English Braille. Joseph told me NVDA was using an outdated version of the table, but since these things were present both when I first got the pamphlet about UEB in School in 2005 and in an overview I found via Google dated March 2013, I find myself a little confused.

1. Related to previously mentioned formatting inconsistencies. The italic terminator is used after a single word thus emphasised instead of the italic word indicator appearing before it. This is also true of bold and likely other such formatting.
2. "E-a" is not contracted in the middle of words. Neither is "cc". I know "dd" was removed but nothing was mentioned about "cc" and since it's in the middle of the cell, it should have been just fine.
3. And, For, Of, The and With are still presented as being next to each other with no spaces. This, as I recall and as the 2013 overview clearly states, was changed in UEB.

This is coming from someone who only got her Braille Display two weeks ago and who never looked at Braille-related emails before then due to the content not being relevant before aforementioned acquisition of a Braille Display, so if anything like this has been mentioned before, I apologise. Also, if there have been any changes to the UEB code since 2013 that I don't know about, I'd like a link.

I look forward to those working on the Braille side of things correcting these problems, if indeed some of them are problems, and although I hope it will be in the next update, I don't know the work that goes into such coding. I just thought I'd point them out in case nobody had as yet. My earlier point about emdashes and italicised passages has already been brought to Joseph's attention, so I needn't go over that again. :D

Re: Accessibility in SumatraPDF

juan gonzalez <jgonzalezh614@...>
 

thank you for your input. guess i have to stay with Adobe.

On 3/15/2016 3:44 PM, Mallard wrote:
Hello,

No, it doesn't.

In the old days, when the programme was first released, someone asked
about accessibility, but the dev said he didn't know anything about
accessibility, and didn't want to get involved. He said that, since
the software is open source, whoeer wanted to delve into that, could
do so...

Sumatra pdf doesn't have a text viewer, so no text can be read.

Pity, because it also reads epubs, amongst other things.

Hovever, i found that it does a great job saving pdf files to txt.
Of all these pdf reading programme, this is the one that "ruins" the
format least of all.

hth,
Ciao,
Ollie




Il 15/03/2016 20:33, juan gonzalez ha scritto:
does anybody know if this PDF program works with NVDA?




Re: [NVDA] NVDA with MS Excel

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Pranav,

 

I thought this had solved the problem last January but I was mistaken. Even with “allow editing directly in cells” and “hardware graphics acceleration” disabled in the advanced options I am still getting the floating balnked charcters as before.

 

I am running Excel 2010 under windows 10 with NVDA 2016.1

 

Any other suggestions?

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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From: nvda-bounce@... [mailto:nvda-bounce@...] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 3:08 AM
To: nvda@...
Subject: [NVDA] Re: NVDA with MS Excel

 

Hi Chris,

 

I have experienced your issues with editing formulas in cells on my work laptop which is running windows 7 32bit and office 2013. However, I am on windows 10 on a 64 bit machine running excel 2016 and do not have this problem. I had similar experiences with windows 7 64bit that is, I was able to edit text in cells directly.

 

Try making the following changes.

1.       From the advanced tab, disable allow editing directly in cells.

2.       Disable hardware graphics acceleration  again in the advanced tab.

Pranav

 

From: nvda-bounce@... [mailto:nvda-bounce@...] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 11:21 PM
To: nvda@...
Subject: [NVDA] NVDA with MS Excel

 

Hi

Has anyone encountered problems using MS Excel, in particular when using the VBA editor to write macros (I am using Windows 7), Office 2007.  NVDA occasionally announces ‘blank’ where there are letters (this occurs mainly wen the letter follows an open bracket)  and may also miss out entire lines of code when moving around using the arrow keys.  This behaviour also occurs after pressing F2 to display a formula.  Using the Tools/Options dialog,to configure the VBA editor,   I have set font to Courier New Western and pointsize to 10  but NVDA announces it as Ariel 8 point.    

 

Does anyone know of any work arounds or NVDA parameters I can use to prevent this behaviour from occurring?

 

Cheers

Chris

 

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I could use some assistance with this one. How do I go about setting up
group calls in Skype with NVDA?

Re: Accessibility in SumatraPDF

Mallard
 

Hello,

No, it doesn't.

In the old days, when the programme was first released, someone asked about accessibility, but the dev said he didn't know anything about accessibility, and didn't want to get involved. He said that, since the software is open source, whoeer wanted to delve into that, could do so...

Sumatra pdf doesn't have a text viewer, so no text can be read.

Pity, because it also reads epubs, amongst other things.

Hovever, i found that it does a great job saving pdf files to txt.
Of all these pdf reading programme, this is the one that "ruins" the format least of all.

hth,
Ciao,
Ollie

Il 15/03/2016 20:33, juan gonzalez ha scritto:
does anybody know if this PDF program works with NVDA?

Re: The UEB table used in NVDA

 

Hi,

No, not an add-on – a full NVDA build.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: Sharni-Lee Ward [mailto:sharni-lee.ward@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 12:55 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] The UEB table used in NVDA

 

Do you mean an addon? If so, I'll keep a look out on the addons list to see when it comes out.


From: joseph.lee22590@...
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] The UEB table used in NVDA
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 12:50:58 -0700

Hi,

Ah yes…

I do plan to publish a third-party try build that’ll include newer UEB tables (as an experimental option), likely tomorrow or sometime this weekend.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: Sharni-Lee Ward [mailto:sharni-lee.ward@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 12:49 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] The UEB table used in NVDA

 

Hi,

In recent emails, I mentioned I had a Focus 40 Braille display and was wondering about inconsistencies with the Braille output. I've noticed a couple other things that didn't gel with my knowledge of Unified English Braille. Joseph told me NVDA was using an outdated version of the table, but since these things were present both when I first got the pamphlet about UEB in School in 2005 and in an overview I found via Google dated March 2013, I find myself a little confused.

1. Related to previously mentioned formatting inconsistencies. The italic terminator is used after a single word thus emphasised instead of the italic word indicator appearing before it. This is also true of bold and likely other such formatting.
2. "E-a" is not contracted in the middle of words. Neither is "cc". I know "dd" was removed but nothing was mentioned about "cc" and since it's in the middle of the cell, it should have been just fine.
3. And, For, Of, The and With are still presented as being next to each other with no spaces. This, as I recall and as the 2013 overview clearly states, was changed in UEB.

This is coming from someone who only got her Braille Display two weeks ago and who never looked at Braille-related emails before then due to the content not being relevant before aforementioned acquisition of a Braille Display, so if anything like this has been mentioned before, I apologise. Also, if there have been any changes to the UEB code since 2013 that I don't know about, I'd like a link.

I look forward to those working on the Braille side of things correcting these problems, if indeed some of them are problems, and although I hope it will be in the next update, I don't know the work that goes into such coding. I just thought I'd point them out in case nobody had as yet. My earlier point about emdashes and italicised passages has already been brought to Joseph's attention, so I needn't go over that again. :D

Re: The UEB table used in NVDA

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

Do you mean an addon? If so, I'll keep a look out on the addons list to see when it comes out.


From: joseph.lee22590@...
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] The UEB table used in NVDA
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 12:50:58 -0700

Hi,

Ah yes…

I do plan to publish a third-party try build that’ll include newer UEB tables (as an experimental option), likely tomorrow or sometime this weekend.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: Sharni-Lee Ward [mailto:sharni-lee.ward@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 12:49 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] The UEB table used in NVDA

 

Hi,

In recent emails, I mentioned I had a Focus 40 Braille display and was wondering about inconsistencies with the Braille output. I've noticed a couple other things that didn't gel with my knowledge of Unified English Braille. Joseph told me NVDA was using an outdated version of the table, but since these things were present both when I first got the pamphlet about UEB in School in 2005 and in an overview I found via Google dated March 2013, I find myself a little confused.

1. Related to previously mentioned formatting inconsistencies. The italic terminator is used after a single word thus emphasised instead of the italic word indicator appearing before it. This is also true of bold and likely other such formatting.
2. "E-a" is not contracted in the middle of words. Neither is "cc". I know "dd" was removed but nothing was mentioned about "cc" and since it's in the middle of the cell, it should have been just fine.
3. And, For, Of, The and With are still presented as being next to each other with no spaces. This, as I recall and as the 2013 overview clearly states, was changed in UEB.

This is coming from someone who only got her Braille Display two weeks ago and who never looked at Braille-related emails before then due to the content not being relevant before aforementioned acquisition of a Braille Display, so if anything like this has been mentioned before, I apologise. Also, if there have been any changes to the UEB code since 2013 that I don't know about, I'd like a link.

I look forward to those working on the Braille side of things correcting these problems, if indeed some of them are problems, and although I hope it will be in the next update, I don't know the work that goes into such coding. I just thought I'd point them out in case nobody had as yet. My earlier point about emdashes and italicised passages has already been brought to Joseph's attention, so I needn't go over that again. :D

Re: The UEB table used in NVDA

 

Hi,

Ah yes…

I do plan to publish a third-party try build that’ll include newer UEB tables (as an experimental option), likely tomorrow or sometime this weekend.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: Sharni-Lee Ward [mailto:sharni-lee.ward@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 12:49 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] The UEB table used in NVDA

 

Hi,

In recent emails, I mentioned I had a Focus 40 Braille display and was wondering about inconsistencies with the Braille output. I've noticed a couple other things that didn't gel with my knowledge of Unified English Braille. Joseph told me NVDA was using an outdated version of the table, but since these things were present both when I first got the pamphlet about UEB in School in 2005 and in an overview I found via Google dated March 2013, I find myself a little confused.

1. Related to previously mentioned formatting inconsistencies. The italic terminator is used after a single word thus emphasised instead of the italic word indicator appearing before it. This is also true of bold and likely other such formatting.
2. "E-a" is not contracted in the middle of words. Neither is "cc". I know "dd" was removed but nothing was mentioned about "cc" and since it's in the middle of the cell, it should have been just fine.
3. And, For, Of, The and With are still presented as being next to each other with no spaces. This, as I recall and as the 2013 overview clearly states, was changed in UEB.

This is coming from someone who only got her Braille Display two weeks ago and who never looked at Braille-related emails before then due to the content not being relevant before aforementioned acquisition of a Braille Display, so if anything like this has been mentioned before, I apologise. Also, if there have been any changes to the UEB code since 2013 that I don't know about, I'd like a link.

I look forward to those working on the Braille side of things correcting these problems, if indeed some of them are problems, and although I hope it will be in the next update, I don't know the work that goes into such coding. I just thought I'd point them out in case nobody had as yet. My earlier point about emdashes and italicised passages has already been brought to Joseph's attention, so I needn't go over that again. :D

The UEB table used in NVDA

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

Hi,

In recent emails, I mentioned I had a Focus 40 Braille display and was wondering about inconsistencies with the Braille output. I've noticed a couple other things that didn't gel with my knowledge of Unified English Braille. Joseph told me NVDA was using an outdated version of the table, but since these things were present both when I first got the pamphlet about UEB in School in 2005 and in an overview I found via Google dated March 2013, I find myself a little confused.

1. Related to previously mentioned formatting inconsistencies. The italic terminator is used after a single word thus emphasised instead of the italic word indicator appearing before it. This is also true of bold and likely other such formatting.
2. "E-a" is not contracted in the middle of words. Neither is "cc". I know "dd" was removed but nothing was mentioned about "cc" and since it's in the middle of the cell, it should have been just fine.
3. And, For, Of, The and With are still presented as being next to each other with no spaces. This, as I recall and as the 2013 overview clearly states, was changed in UEB.

This is coming from someone who only got her Braille Display two weeks ago and who never looked at Braille-related emails before then due to the content not being relevant before aforementioned acquisition of a Braille Display, so if anything like this has been mentioned before, I apologise. Also, if there have been any changes to the UEB code since 2013 that I don't know about, I'd like a link.

I look forward to those working on the Braille side of things correcting these problems, if indeed some of them are problems, and although I hope it will be in the next update, I don't know the work that goes into such coding. I just thought I'd point them out in case nobody had as yet. My earlier point about emdashes and italicised passages has already been brought to Joseph's attention, so I needn't go over that again. :D

Accessibility in SumatraPDF

juan gonzalez <jgonzalezh614@...>
 

does anybody know if this PDF program works with NVDA?

Re: speech hub can not install.

Gene NZ <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi

When I put a copy of speechhub onto my windows 10 machine last week, when you go to install speechhub if it can not see Java on your machine it will downloadi it and install it to your machine. Usually most machines already have it When it is installed then you need to install the add on for NVDA to see it, then do the usual to see the synths and voices in NVDA.

What operating system are you using? Have you got all of your service packs for windows on the machine. I will contact Isaac or see if I have his details and send them onto him, so he can help you if you want me to.
So hopefully it can be sorted.

Gene nz

On 16-Mar-16 2:30 AM, Life My Way via Groups.io wrote:
I am having trouble installing speech hub it gets so far when i try and install the addon it won't let me go any farther something about java what is happening i have tried many times to install this but it won't install please help.


Re: speech hub and ducking.

Gene NZ <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Ken

I fogot to say the feature is from Windows 8 and up and is not in Windows 7 and below.

Gene nz


On 16-Mar-16 6:49 AM, ken lawrence via Groups.io wrote:
yeah that’s wht I’m running.  uninstalled NVDA and went from scratch.  the ducking option isn’t even there.  not using the portable version.  not sure if the speech configuration is lost or not have rebooted a couple times.  setttings are exactgly what I had before too. 
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech hub and ducking.
 
Hi Ken

The audio ducking feature is only in the installer version of NVDA and not in the portable version of NVDA. It was put into the NVDA 2016.1 release.

I just tried it with the audio ducking feature and it worked with speechhub.

Is when you are having problems with speechhub is it when you first boot up the computer? I have 6 machines here all with speechhub on them, the 5 of them which are duel core machines load with speechhub every time with the correct voices, but they are not the intensive ones. I have not tried it with the mary voices for a while.

Now and again on the quad core machine when it starts up, it will default back to the E speak voice. I think this is a timing issue
With the installer version of NVDA I use the alt + ctrl + the letter N to restart NVDA then it comes up with the voice that was chosen. Isaac is the developer of speechhub and i think he is on the list still.
I can pass on the details to him.

Gene nz
.

On 16-Mar-16 2:00 AM, ken lawrence via Groups.io wrote:
Hi listers ken here was fiddling around on synthesizers dialog on NVDA and and didn’t find the ducking option in the dialog.  also now another issue is coming up.  I also changed synthsizers to a speech hub cross platform voice and I noticed that the NVDA isn’t saving configuration it’s going back to the Espeak default.  have switched  back to sapi 5 and now I notice that it’s still reverting back to default.  screen reader keeps shutting down too when I do some things.  why isn’t it holding configuration or ducking even though my computer shows save configuration is checked and am using current version it shows that on programs and features installed on 2/22/2016  should  I uninstall and reinstall a fresh copy from scratch?  


Re: Sort of resetting NVDA screen buffer/app module in normal applications

Jacob Kruger
 

Thanks, Chris, will give it a try next time issue occurs.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Roger Wilco wants to welcome you...to the space janitor's closet..."

On 2016-03-15 7:43 PM, Chris Mullins wrote:
Hi
According to the help User Guide, there is this facility:
10.5. Reload plugins
This item, once activated, reloads app modules and global plugins without restarting NVDA, which can be useful for developers.

Although not mentioned here, NVDA+Ctrl+f3 appears to run this function.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: Jacob Kruger [mailto:jacob@...]
Sent: 15 March 2016 16:47
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Sort of resetting NVDA screen buffer/app module in normal applications

Sorry for mentioning this, but, in a manner similar to how you can reset jaws scripts while using a piece of software, is there some way to sort of reload the NVDA app module for a specific piece of software while using it, or to, at the very least, do something similar to NVDA-key +
F5 in a web browser, to reload the on-screen buffer, etc.?

Asking since, for example, at times, while writing a message in thunderbird, it seems like NVDA loses track of the contents of the message thus far, and while occasionally, alt+tabbing away, pausing momentarily, and then alt+tabbing back to the message will help, generally, the only real workaround seems to be to unload NVDA, and then reload it.

TIA

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Roger Wilco wants to welcome you...to the space janitor's closet..."






Re: speech hub and ducking.

 

Hi,

Which operating system is this (perhaps windows 7)?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: ken lawrence via Groups.io [mailto:kenlawrence124@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 10:50 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech hub and ducking.

 

yeah that’s wht I’m running.  uninstalled NVDA and went from scratch.  the ducking option isn’t even there.  not using the portable version.  not sure if the speech configuration is lost or not have rebooted a couple times.  setttings are exactgly what I had before too. 

Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 1:36 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] speech hub and ducking.

 

Hi Ken

The audio ducking feature is only in the installer version of NVDA and not in the portable version of NVDA. It was put into the NVDA 2016.1 release.

I just tried it with the audio ducking feature and it worked with speechhub.

Is when you are having problems with speechhub is it when you first boot up the computer? I have 6 machines here all with speechhub on them, the 5 of them which are duel core machines load with speechhub every time with the correct voices, but they are not the intensive ones. I have not tried it with the mary voices for a while.

Now and again on the quad core machine when it starts up, it will default back to the E speak voice. I think this is a timing issue
With the installer version of NVDA I use the alt + ctrl + the letter N to restart NVDA then it comes up with the voice that was chosen. Isaac is the developer of speechhub and i think he is on the list still.
I can pass on the details to him.

Gene nz
.

On 16-Mar-16 2:00 AM, ken lawrence via Groups.io wrote:

Hi listers ken here was fiddling around on synthesizers dialog on NVDA and and didn’t find the ducking option in the dialog.  also now another issue is coming up.  I also changed synthsizers to a speech hub cross platform voice and I noticed that the NVDA isn’t saving configuration it’s going back to the Espeak default.  have switched  back to sapi 5 and now I notice that it’s still reverting back to default.  screen reader keeps shutting down too when I do some things.  why isn’t it holding configuration or ducking even though my computer shows save configuration is checked and am using current version it shows that on programs and features installed on 2/22/2016  should  I uninstall and reinstall a fresh copy from scratch?