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Re: regression with adobe flash

Gene
 

As far as I know, there isn't any way.  I checked the user settings in Firefox and there is no exceptions options regarding JAVA script.  I'm not trying to give you a hard time but you are significantly impairing the usefulness of programs by avoiding add ons.  Of course, you should install reputable add ons and get them from reliable places.  But if, for example, you don't use Webvism, that is an example of needlessly denying yourself a benefit. 
 
If you want to use firefox, you can use my two copies solution.  Or if you are willing to use more than one browser, you might use Chrome and Firefox and have JAVA scripts on for one and off for the other. 
 
As far as Malware Bytes is concerned, it's reasonably accessible but I use it so seldom that I can't describe the interface.  Others probably can.  The main difference between the paid and free versions is that the paid version has active protection.  It monitors files you download an sites you go to and files you open on your computer to see if there is anything malicious about them.  The free version only looks at files when you scan.  So malware can get on your system and Malware Bytes won't know about it until you do a scan.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash

thanks so much gene.
i waite for your solution for turning off javascript and add exception
without any addon.
because i realy dont love addons and dont install them for no browser
and even nvda!

On 12/3/16, Rob <captinlogic@...> wrote:
> Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>> I don't think Firefox has a way to turn JAVA scripts off and make
>> exceptions for certain sites.  If I find out differently, I'll let you
>> know.
>
>
> There is an addon called NoScript which will do this.
>
>
>
>


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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



Re: NVDA 2016.4rc1 released

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Quentin,

 

I was able to log in to my gmail account. I didn't change my password so I don't know what's going on with the mail ap. It worked before so I don't know what else to do. I'm glad I have outlook or thunderbird for emailing for right now.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 10:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4rc1 released

 

Hi Rosemarie,

 

You might need to log in with your account again?  Perhaps you have changed your password etc elsewhere?

 

On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 10:22 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi, David,

 

I just tried the mail ap but I got this message saying my account was out of date. I was thinking of using it but I don't think so now.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 3:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4rc1 released

 

Hi all,

Thank you so much Quenton for posting this great news. I just found out that NVDA 2016.4rc1 makes the weather app and the store more accessible. Also, the mail app works much better with NvDA. This is so exciting. I will let you know how NVDA now works in many apps.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 2:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4rc1 released

 

Hi all,

NVDA 2016.4rc1 has just been released for testing. This is a release
candidate, which means that unless any critical issues are found, this
will be identical to the final 2016.4 release.

See this blog post for what's new and a download link:
http://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2016-4rc1-released/

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

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Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
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Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
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Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: regression with adobe flash

Chris Mullins
 

I use Chrome as my main browser, my only difficulty is with PDF documents as it has built-in  pdf rendering which I don’t find very accessible, so I use IE linked to Adobe DC for that type of content.  I initially had problems running YouTube but this was solved by unchecking a box in the advanced settings entitled ‘Use hardware acceleration where availabel’ and it now plays OK.

 

Cheers

Chris  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: 3 December 2016 04:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash

 

hi,

do you have actual proof of this? Since adobe flash, is the same flash used in chrome, I would asume  the same problems exist.  Also, chrome had accessibility issues last I remember.

 

On 12/3/2016 7:06 AM, Gene wrote:

I'm not sure but this is a very good example of why you should use more than one browser.  If you use Chrome for sites where you want to use Flash, you will probably have no problem.  Flash is built into Chrome so you don't have to install or update it.  It updates itself automatically within Chrome.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 9:18 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash

 

I haven't been able to use the Adobe Flash plugin for years now. It
always crashes

if I load a page in Firefox that happens to have Flash content. I've
long since given up trying and am just happy that YouTube has an
alternate player.

If anyone could tell me why my flash player isn't working I'd also be
very grateful.
On 3/12/2016 1:56 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
> hi,
>
> The kill windowless flash script seems to no longer be working.
> Whenever I encounter a flash object, nvda anounces it as unavailable.
> Is there anything I can do about this?
>
>
>
>



 


Re: regression with adobe flash

mk360
 

Oh, I can't live without something like ubloc...

El 03/12/2016 a las 14:08, nasrin khaksar escribió:
thanks so much gene.
i waite for your solution for turning off javascript and add exception
without any addon.
because i realy dont love addons and dont install them for no browser
and even nvda!

On 12/3/16, Rob <captinlogic@gmail.com> wrote:
Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I don't think Firefox has a way to turn JAVA scripts off and make
exceptions for certain sites. If I find out differently, I'll let you
know.
There is an addon called NoScript which will do this.




Re: something I discovered when going through the what's new option

Sakina
 

Hello Chris,

Would it be possible for you to  share this new discovery option  link as I am fairly new user and would like to look back for learning too.

Thanking you very much

sakina

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Judd
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 6:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] something I discovered when going through the what's new option

 

Hi all,

 

I was going through the what’s new option for the latest release of NVDA, and I found that all the previous release notes are there all the way back till 0.5.

It is nice to read all the accomplishments that NVDA has made over the years, and since I’m a fairly new user, I’m glad that it is there, so I can take a look, and see what the early versions were like.

Just thought I would share what I discovered.

Chris


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Re: regression with adobe flash

 

thanks so much gene.
i waite for your solution for turning off javascript and add exception
without any addon.
because i realy dont love addons and dont install them for no browser
and even nvda!

On 12/3/16, Rob <captinlogic@gmail.com> wrote:
Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I don't think Firefox has a way to turn JAVA scripts off and make
exceptions for certain sites. If I find out differently, I'll let you
know.

There is an addon called NoScript which will do this.



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: regression with adobe flash

Rob
 

Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I don't think Firefox has a way to turn JAVA scripts off and make exceptions for certain sites. If I find out differently, I'll let you know.

There is an addon called NoScript which will do this.


Re: regression with adobe flash

Gene
 

I don't think Firefox has a way to turn JAVA scripts off and make exceptions for certain sites.  If I find out differently, I'll let you know.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash

is there away that activate javascript for microsoft and gmail website
and deactivate it with other websites completely in the firefox
without any addon?

On 12/3/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> I should add that the noscript option would give you better protection by
> allowing you to tailor what scripts a site is allowed to run.  That offers
> better protection than the two browser option I gave.  But from the little
> bit I've played with no script it may be too tedious setting parameters for
> possibly many sites.  Others will probably comment more on noscript and its
> use and how it compares to my two browser suggestion.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Gene
> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 10:12 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash
>
>
> The way you discussed enabling or disabling JAVA script in about:config is
> one way.  There is a plug in named no script but I haven't used it enough to
> evaluate it well.  I'm not sure how easy it is to use it to block scripts
> and unblock them.  Others will probably comment on that.
>
> One convenient option is to use two different copies of Firefox portable on
> your machine.  Or you could use the installed version and have a copy of
> Firefox portable on the same machine.  You would have JAVA scripts disabled
> in one of the programs and enabled in the other.  You could easily and
> conveniently use one browser on a site where you want to use JAVA scripts
> and the other browser where you don't want to use them.  You wouldn't have
> to then keep changing settings in the browser.
>
> Gene
>
>
> From: nasrin khaksar
> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 9:45 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash
>
>
> hi geen again.
> you rescued me from a very big concern!
> i realy pray for you and admire your help and useful informations.
> and thanks so much for the great news about reduce use of flash in firefox!
> about your question, when i realy need one audio file, i select to
> open it with the potplayer or download it.
> and when i dont need it, i benefit from not waisting of my internet charge!
> and how do you activate and deactivate javascript when you need and
> dont need it?
> i only know that about:config and make true and false javascript.enabled.
>
> On 12/3/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>> I don't see why you would have a JAVA plugin if you didn't install the
>> JAVA
>> program.  The plugin is installed by JAVA.
>>
>> As far as JAVA settings in the about:config settings are concerned, as
>> far
>> as I can see, they all apply to JAVA script, not to JAVA, the program.
>> The
>> one I wasn't sure of, I did a Google search on and it has nothing to do
>> with
>> JAVA, the program.
>>
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: nasrin khaksar
>> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 7:49 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash
>>
>>
>> hi gene.
>> thanks for your useful information.
>> i never dont install java program but i am afraid always that is it
>> possible that java plugin works in the browser without installing java
>> program?
>> if its no, whats the reason that i see java plugin in firefox
>> about:config and i change plugin.state.java to 0?
>> i use windows xp and the newer versions of java and also firefox 53
>> and later, dont support xp.
>> which version of windows, do you use?
>> thanks and God bless you for your help.
>>
>> On 12/3/16, Brice Mijares <bricemijares@...> wrote:
>>> I read some where last week where FX will prevent adobe flash from
>>> working by summer of 2017.
>>>
>>> On 12/3/2016 12:18 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
>>>> hi.
>>>> i recommend you not to use java and flash for there security problems.
>>>> i never dont install and use them and i did not see any problem for
>>>> this.
>>>>
>>>> On 12/3/16, Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@...> wrote:
>>>>> I think OP wants an answer to their problem. I will try this with
>>>>> Chrome
>>>>> later, and I apologise for hijacking the thread.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> OP is having an issue I had previously that was fixed by "Kill
>>>>> Windowless
>>>>> Flash", which was a useful script but no longer seems to be working
>>>>> with
>>>>> current Firefox. NVDA doesn't let you into certain embedded objects if
>>>>> you
>>>>> don't have this script, instead saying "Embedded Object Unavailable."
>>>>> Is
>>>>> there a fix for this that doesn't involve the apparently defunct "Kill
>>>>> Windowless Flash" Greasemonkey script?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/12/2016 4:41 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> let me clerify a point. Flash isn't crashing. Rather, nvda is failing
>>>>> to
>>>>> access the object. A situation directly the fault of nvda.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/3/2016 7:42 AM, Gene wrote:
>>>>> Proof of what?  I think it's likely that Flash would run properly in
>>>>> Chrome
>>>>> on the machine.  I won't have proof unless it is tried.  We don't know
>>>>> if
>>>>> Flash is crashing because Flash is crashing or if Flash is crashing
>>>>> because
>>>>> of some sort of problem when it is run with Firefox.  Chrome isn't
>>>>> perfectly
>>>>> accessible but it is reasonably so and should serve quite well when
>>>>> used
>>>>> on
>>>>> sites with flash.  Chrome has quirks when working with settings and
>>>>> I'm
>>>>> not
>>>>> sure if it reads all structures on web pages as well as Firefox but
>>>>> when
>>>>> used on web pages, it is nearly as accessible, if not as accessible,
>>>>> as
>>>>> Chrome.  And for this very limited use, there may be no need to work
>>>>> with
>>>>> settings.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, working on why flash is crashing with the browser currently
>>>>> being
>>>>> used could be investigated on a technical list of blind users or on a
>>>>> site
>>>>> like Bleeping Computer.  It would probably be faster and easier to
>>>>> just
>>>>> try
>>>>> Chrome.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gene
>>>>>
>>>>> From: enes sarıbaş<mailto:enes.saribas@...>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 10:10 PM
>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> do you have actual proof of this? Since adobe flash, is the same flash
>>>>> used
>>>>> in chrome, I would asume  the same problems exist.  Also, chrome had
>>>>> accessibility issues last I remember.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/3/2016 7:06 AM, Gene wrote:
>>>>> I'm not sure but this is a very good example of why you should use
>>>>> more
>>>>> than
>>>>> one browser.  If you use Chrome for sites where you want to use Flash,
>>>>> you
>>>>> will probably have no problem.  Flash is built into Chrome so you
>>>>> don't
>>>>> have
>>>>> to install or update it.  It updates itself automatically within
>>>>> Chrome.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gene
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Sharni-Lee Ward<mailto:sharni-lee.ward@...>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 9:18 PM
>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash
>>>>>
>>>>> I haven't been able to use the Adobe Flash plugin for years now. It
>>>>> always crashes
>>>>>
>>>>> if I load a page in Firefox that happens to have Flash content. I've
>>>>> long since given up trying and am just happy that YouTube has an
>>>>> alternate player.
>>>>>
>>>>> If anyone could tell me why my flash player isn't working I'd also be
>>>>> very grateful.
>>>>> On 3/12/2016 1:56 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
>>>>>> hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The kill windowless flash script seems to no longer be working.
>>>>>> Whenever I encounter a flash object, nvda anounces it as unavailable.
>>>>>> Is there anything I can do about this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>> in the very authentic narration is:
>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>> al-islam.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration is:
> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>
>
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




Re: regression with adobe flash

 

is there away that activate javascript for microsoft and gmail website
and deactivate it with other websites completely in the firefox
without any addon?

On 12/3/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I should add that the noscript option would give you better protection by
allowing you to tailor what scripts a site is allowed to run. That offers
better protection than the two browser option I gave. But from the little
bit I've played with no script it may be too tedious setting parameters for
possibly many sites. Others will probably comment more on noscript and its
use and how it compares to my two browser suggestion.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 10:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash


The way you discussed enabling or disabling JAVA script in about:config is
one way. There is a plug in named no script but I haven't used it enough to
evaluate it well. I'm not sure how easy it is to use it to block scripts
and unblock them. Others will probably comment on that.

One convenient option is to use two different copies of Firefox portable on
your machine. Or you could use the installed version and have a copy of
Firefox portable on the same machine. You would have JAVA scripts disabled
in one of the programs and enabled in the other. You could easily and
conveniently use one browser on a site where you want to use JAVA scripts
and the other browser where you don't want to use them. You wouldn't have
to then keep changing settings in the browser.

Gene


From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 9:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash


hi geen again.
you rescued me from a very big concern!
i realy pray for you and admire your help and useful informations.
and thanks so much for the great news about reduce use of flash in firefox!
about your question, when i realy need one audio file, i select to
open it with the potplayer or download it.
and when i dont need it, i benefit from not waisting of my internet charge!
and how do you activate and deactivate javascript when you need and
dont need it?
i only know that about:config and make true and false javascript.enabled.

On 12/3/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I don't see why you would have a JAVA plugin if you didn't install the
JAVA
program. The plugin is installed by JAVA.

As far as JAVA settings in the about:config settings are concerned, as
far
as I can see, they all apply to JAVA script, not to JAVA, the program.
The
one I wasn't sure of, I did a Google search on and it has nothing to do
with
JAVA, the program.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 7:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash


hi gene.
thanks for your useful information.
i never dont install java program but i am afraid always that is it
possible that java plugin works in the browser without installing java
program?
if its no, whats the reason that i see java plugin in firefox
about:config and i change plugin.state.java to 0?
i use windows xp and the newer versions of java and also firefox 53
and later, dont support xp.
which version of windows, do you use?
thanks and God bless you for your help.

On 12/3/16, Brice Mijares <bricemijares@att.net> wrote:
I read some where last week where FX will prevent adobe flash from
working by summer of 2017.

On 12/3/2016 12:18 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi.
i recommend you not to use java and flash for there security problems.
i never dont install and use them and i did not see any problem for
this.

On 12/3/16, Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com> wrote:
I think OP wants an answer to their problem. I will try this with
Chrome
later, and I apologise for hijacking the thread.


OP is having an issue I had previously that was fixed by "Kill
Windowless
Flash", which was a useful script but no longer seems to be working
with
current Firefox. NVDA doesn't let you into certain embedded objects if
you
don't have this script, instead saying "Embedded Object Unavailable."
Is
there a fix for this that doesn't involve the apparently defunct "Kill
Windowless Flash" Greasemonkey script?

On 3/12/2016 4:41 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:

hi,

let me clerify a point. Flash isn't crashing. Rather, nvda is failing
to
access the object. A situation directly the fault of nvda.

On 12/3/2016 7:42 AM, Gene wrote:
Proof of what? I think it's likely that Flash would run properly in
Chrome
on the machine. I won't have proof unless it is tried. We don't know
if
Flash is crashing because Flash is crashing or if Flash is crashing
because
of some sort of problem when it is run with Firefox. Chrome isn't
perfectly
accessible but it is reasonably so and should serve quite well when
used
on
sites with flash. Chrome has quirks when working with settings and
I'm
not
sure if it reads all structures on web pages as well as Firefox but
when
used on web pages, it is nearly as accessible, if not as accessible,
as
Chrome. And for this very limited use, there may be no need to work
with
settings.

Of course, working on why flash is crashing with the browser currently
being
used could be investigated on a technical list of blind users or on a
site
like Bleeping Computer. It would probably be faster and easier to
just
try
Chrome.

Gene

From: enes sarıbaş<mailto:enes.saribas@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 10:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash


hi,

do you have actual proof of this? Since adobe flash, is the same flash
used
in chrome, I would asume the same problems exist. Also, chrome had
accessibility issues last I remember.

On 12/3/2016 7:06 AM, Gene wrote:
I'm not sure but this is a very good example of why you should use
more
than
one browser. If you use Chrome for sites where you want to use Flash,
you
will probably have no problem. Flash is built into Chrome so you
don't
have
to install or update it. It updates itself automatically within
Chrome.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Sharni-Lee Ward<mailto:sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 9:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash

I haven't been able to use the Adobe Flash plugin for years now. It
always crashes

if I load a page in Firefox that happens to have Flash content. I've
long since given up trying and am just happy that YouTube has an
alternate player.

If anyone could tell me why my flash player isn't working I'd also be
very grateful.
On 3/12/2016 1:56 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
hi,

The kill windowless flash script seems to no longer be working.
Whenever I encounter a flash object, nvda anounces it as unavailable.
Is there anything I can do about this?













--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: My NVDA Screen reader not working properly

 

whats the different between free and commercial versions of malwarebyte?
i only use nvda and wish that know its accessibility with nvda!

On 12/3/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Spybot hasn't been effective for years. Malware Bytes is considered an
exceptionally good program.

Gene


From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 9:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] My NVDA Screen reader not working properly


hi david.
are the antimalware which you mentioned freeware, efficient, and
accessible for us?
are they trustworthy and safe to remove only malitious files not our
healthy files?
thanks so much.

On 12/3/16, David <trailerdavid@hotmail.com> wrote:
Sounds like you have some sort of bug on the system, or other things
conflicting.


Here, let me give you but one thing to try.


Turn off NVDA, and then launch Narrator. The safest way, which will work
in all flavors of Windows, would be to hit the Win-R, and then type in
"narrator" (without the quotes), and hit Enter.


With Narrator loaded, try to launch Internet Explorer. Does it still
take an excessive amount of time to load? If so, the trouble sits with
Internet Explorer, most likely. Or, generally in your computer system,
somewhere.


On the other hand, should it now be that Internet Explorer will load
fast and smoothly, likely something is going on between the the browser
and NVDA.


Secondly, let me take you a step further, if the browser is sluggish,
even with Narrator.


In this case, you might want to trace possible troubles within the
browser. Since it loads slowly anyway, you can go back to using NVDA,
for the further investigation.


Not sure which flavor of Windows you are on, but if you are on Win7 and
above, hit the Win-key, and type the first few letters in "Internet
Explorer". When it pops up as the alternative, arrow down once or twice,
till you get to the entry that says something like: "Load Internet
Expleorer without add-ons". Hit Enter here, and see if your browser
loads fast now. If so, you might want to go through the add-ons
installed in your browser. You will find the Add-on manager under Tools,
if memory serves me right.


Should your browser still be slow and sluggish, I only could suggest for
you to clean out any cookies you do not fully and completely need.


All of this, is of course made as suggestions, based on the fact that
you are sure to run a clean system. If not, I would strongly recommend
you give your computer a thorough laundry and vacuum cleaning. That is
to say, run at least one piece of Anti-Virus scan, and no less than one
Anti-Malware scan. Either use locally installed products, which you can
download for free, or use online services. Note, if you are on a dial-up
connection, please do not run online scanners, as the traffic over the
net will be extensive, and your phone bill will raise dramatically.


Free anti-malware scanners that might be of interest, could be
Malwarebytes, or Spybot Search & Destroy. You will find those and
others, from the Ninite site, which I strongly recommend since you then
won't get loads of bloatware along with your installation. Ninite you
find here:

www.ninite.com/


Hope any of this helped you out a bit.


David

On 12/3/2016 11:40 AM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
Hi good people:
I'm having teething problems with my NVDA screenreader. The problem
happens when I am on the internet. Firstly, my web browser, does not
launch quickly. Before NVDA launches with the browser, it takes a
very long time. Secondly, it can be very difficult to navigate a web
page. The screenreader responds very slowly. Sometimes, I have to
relaunch the NVDA from the desktop, to get it working properly.
Thirdly, sometimes, when I am working on a site, I am taking off the
site totally, and I have to go through the painful process of
relaunching the site again.
Please has anyone had these problems at any time, how did you go about
resolving them. It's terrible, and I don't know what to do.
Looking forward to reading from you.
From Ibrahim in Nigeria.


.




--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: regression with adobe flash

Gene
 

I should add that the noscript option would give you better protection by allowing you to tailor what scripts a site is allowed to run.  That offers better protection than the two browser option I gave.  But from the little bit I've played with no script it may be too tedious setting parameters for possibly many sites.  Others will probably comment more on noscript and its use and how it compares to my two browser suggestion.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash

The way you discussed enabling or disabling JAVA script in about:config is one way.  There is a plug in named no script but I haven't used it enough to evaluate it well.  I'm not sure how easy it is to use it to block scripts and unblock them.  Others will probably comment on that. 
 
One convenient option is to use two different copies of Firefox portable on your machine.  Or you could use the installed version and have a copy of Firefox portable on the same machine.  You would have JAVA scripts disabled in one of the programs and enabled in the other.  You could easily and conveniently use one browser on a site where you want to use JAVA scripts and the other browser where you don't want to use them.  You wouldn't have to then keep changing settings in the browser. 
 
Gene

Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash

hi geen again.
you rescued me from a very big concern!
i realy pray for you and admire your help and useful informations.
and thanks so much for the great news about reduce use of flash in firefox!
about your question, when i realy need one audio file, i select to
open it with the potplayer or download it.
and when i dont need it, i benefit from not waisting of my internet charge!
and how do you activate and deactivate javascript when you need and
dont need it?
i only know that about:config and make true and false javascript.enabled.

On 12/3/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> I don't see why you would have a JAVA plugin if you didn't install the JAVA
> program.  The plugin is installed by JAVA.
>
> As far as JAVA settings in the about:config settings are concerned, as far
> as I can see, they all apply to JAVA script, not to JAVA, the program.  The
> one I wasn't sure of, I did a Google search on and it has nothing to do with
> JAVA, the program.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: nasrin khaksar
> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 7:49 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash
>
>
> hi gene.
> thanks for your useful information.
> i never dont install java program but i am afraid always that is it
> possible that java plugin works in the browser without installing java
> program?
> if its no, whats the reason that i see java plugin in firefox
> about:config and i change plugin.state.java to 0?
> i use windows xp and the newer versions of java and also firefox 53
> and later, dont support xp.
> which version of windows, do you use?
> thanks and God bless you for your help.
>
> On 12/3/16, Brice Mijares <bricemijares@...> wrote:
>> I read some where last week where FX will prevent adobe flash from
>> working by summer of 2017.
>>
>> On 12/3/2016 12:18 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
>>> hi.
>>> i recommend you not to use java and flash for there security problems.
>>> i never dont install and use them and i did not see any problem for
>>> this.
>>>
>>> On 12/3/16, Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@...> wrote:
>>>> I think OP wants an answer to their problem. I will try this with
>>>> Chrome
>>>> later, and I apologise for hijacking the thread.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OP is having an issue I had previously that was fixed by "Kill
>>>> Windowless
>>>> Flash", which was a useful script but no longer seems to be working
>>>> with
>>>> current Firefox. NVDA doesn't let you into certain embedded objects if
>>>> you
>>>> don't have this script, instead saying "Embedded Object Unavailable."
>>>> Is
>>>> there a fix for this that doesn't involve the apparently defunct "Kill
>>>> Windowless Flash" Greasemonkey script?
>>>>
>>>> On 3/12/2016 4:41 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
>>>>
>>>> hi,
>>>>
>>>> let me clerify a point. Flash isn't crashing. Rather, nvda is failing
>>>> to
>>>> access the object. A situation directly the fault of nvda.
>>>>
>>>> On 12/3/2016 7:42 AM, Gene wrote:
>>>> Proof of what?  I think it's likely that Flash would run properly in
>>>> Chrome
>>>> on the machine.  I won't have proof unless it is tried.  We don't know
>>>> if
>>>> Flash is crashing because Flash is crashing or if Flash is crashing
>>>> because
>>>> of some sort of problem when it is run with Firefox.  Chrome isn't
>>>> perfectly
>>>> accessible but it is reasonably so and should serve quite well when
>>>> used
>>>> on
>>>> sites with flash.  Chrome has quirks when working with settings and I'm
>>>> not
>>>> sure if it reads all structures on web pages as well as Firefox but
>>>> when
>>>> used on web pages, it is nearly as accessible, if not as accessible, as
>>>> Chrome.  And for this very limited use, there may be no need to work
>>>> with
>>>> settings.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, working on why flash is crashing with the browser currently
>>>> being
>>>> used could be investigated on a technical list of blind users or on a
>>>> site
>>>> like Bleeping Computer.  It would probably be faster and easier to just
>>>> try
>>>> Chrome.
>>>>
>>>> Gene
>>>>
>>>> From: enes sarıbaş<mailto:enes.saribas@...>
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 10:10 PM
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> hi,
>>>>
>>>> do you have actual proof of this? Since adobe flash, is the same flash
>>>> used
>>>> in chrome, I would asume  the same problems exist.  Also, chrome had
>>>> accessibility issues last I remember.
>>>>
>>>> On 12/3/2016 7:06 AM, Gene wrote:
>>>> I'm not sure but this is a very good example of why you should use more
>>>> than
>>>> one browser.  If you use Chrome for sites where you want to use Flash,
>>>> you
>>>> will probably have no problem.  Flash is built into Chrome so you don't
>>>> have
>>>> to install or update it.  It updates itself automatically within
>>>> Chrome.
>>>>
>>>> Gene
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Sharni-Lee Ward<mailto:sharni-lee.ward@...>
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 9:18 PM
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash
>>>>
>>>> I haven't been able to use the Adobe Flash plugin for years now. It
>>>> always crashes
>>>>
>>>> if I load a page in Firefox that happens to have Flash content. I've
>>>> long since given up trying and am just happy that YouTube has an
>>>> alternate player.
>>>>
>>>> If anyone could tell me why my flash player isn't working I'd also be
>>>> very grateful.
>>>> On 3/12/2016 1:56 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
>>>>> hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> The kill windowless flash script seems to no longer be working.
>>>>> Whenever I encounter a flash object, nvda anounces it as unavailable.
>>>>> Is there anything I can do about this?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration is:
> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




Re: regression with adobe flash

Gene
 

The way you discussed enabling or disabling JAVA script in about:config is one way.  There is a plug in named no script but I haven't used it enough to evaluate it well.  I'm not sure how easy it is to use it to block scripts and unblock them.  Others will probably comment on that. 
 
One convenient option is to use two different copies of Firefox portable on your machine.  Or you could use the installed version and have a copy of Firefox portable on the same machine.  You would have JAVA scripts disabled in one of the programs and enabled in the other.  You could easily and conveniently use one browser on a site where you want to use JAVA scripts and the other browser where you don't want to use them.  You wouldn't have to then keep changing settings in the browser. 
 
Gene

Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash

hi geen again.
you rescued me from a very big concern!
i realy pray for you and admire your help and useful informations.
and thanks so much for the great news about reduce use of flash in firefox!
about your question, when i realy need one audio file, i select to
open it with the potplayer or download it.
and when i dont need it, i benefit from not waisting of my internet charge!
and how do you activate and deactivate javascript when you need and
dont need it?
i only know that about:config and make true and false javascript.enabled.

On 12/3/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> I don't see why you would have a JAVA plugin if you didn't install the JAVA
> program.  The plugin is installed by JAVA.
>
> As far as JAVA settings in the about:config settings are concerned, as far
> as I can see, they all apply to JAVA script, not to JAVA, the program.  The
> one I wasn't sure of, I did a Google search on and it has nothing to do with
> JAVA, the program.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: nasrin khaksar
> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 7:49 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash
>
>
> hi gene.
> thanks for your useful information.
> i never dont install java program but i am afraid always that is it
> possible that java plugin works in the browser without installing java
> program?
> if its no, whats the reason that i see java plugin in firefox
> about:config and i change plugin.state.java to 0?
> i use windows xp and the newer versions of java and also firefox 53
> and later, dont support xp.
> which version of windows, do you use?
> thanks and God bless you for your help.
>
> On 12/3/16, Brice Mijares <bricemijares@...> wrote:
>> I read some where last week where FX will prevent adobe flash from
>> working by summer of 2017.
>>
>> On 12/3/2016 12:18 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
>>> hi.
>>> i recommend you not to use java and flash for there security problems.
>>> i never dont install and use them and i did not see any problem for
>>> this.
>>>
>>> On 12/3/16, Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@...> wrote:
>>>> I think OP wants an answer to their problem. I will try this with
>>>> Chrome
>>>> later, and I apologise for hijacking the thread.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OP is having an issue I had previously that was fixed by "Kill
>>>> Windowless
>>>> Flash", which was a useful script but no longer seems to be working
>>>> with
>>>> current Firefox. NVDA doesn't let you into certain embedded objects if
>>>> you
>>>> don't have this script, instead saying "Embedded Object Unavailable."
>>>> Is
>>>> there a fix for this that doesn't involve the apparently defunct "Kill
>>>> Windowless Flash" Greasemonkey script?
>>>>
>>>> On 3/12/2016 4:41 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
>>>>
>>>> hi,
>>>>
>>>> let me clerify a point. Flash isn't crashing. Rather, nvda is failing
>>>> to
>>>> access the object. A situation directly the fault of nvda.
>>>>
>>>> On 12/3/2016 7:42 AM, Gene wrote:
>>>> Proof of what?  I think it's likely that Flash would run properly in
>>>> Chrome
>>>> on the machine.  I won't have proof unless it is tried.  We don't know
>>>> if
>>>> Flash is crashing because Flash is crashing or if Flash is crashing
>>>> because
>>>> of some sort of problem when it is run with Firefox.  Chrome isn't
>>>> perfectly
>>>> accessible but it is reasonably so and should serve quite well when
>>>> used
>>>> on
>>>> sites with flash.  Chrome has quirks when working with settings and I'm
>>>> not
>>>> sure if it reads all structures on web pages as well as Firefox but
>>>> when
>>>> used on web pages, it is nearly as accessible, if not as accessible, as
>>>> Chrome.  And for this very limited use, there may be no need to work
>>>> with
>>>> settings.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, working on why flash is crashing with the browser currently
>>>> being
>>>> used could be investigated on a technical list of blind users or on a
>>>> site
>>>> like Bleeping Computer.  It would probably be faster and easier to just
>>>> try
>>>> Chrome.
>>>>
>>>> Gene
>>>>
>>>> From: enes sarıbaş<mailto:enes.saribas@...>
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 10:10 PM
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> hi,
>>>>
>>>> do you have actual proof of this? Since adobe flash, is the same flash
>>>> used
>>>> in chrome, I would asume  the same problems exist.  Also, chrome had
>>>> accessibility issues last I remember.
>>>>
>>>> On 12/3/2016 7:06 AM, Gene wrote:
>>>> I'm not sure but this is a very good example of why you should use more
>>>> than
>>>> one browser.  If you use Chrome for sites where you want to use Flash,
>>>> you
>>>> will probably have no problem.  Flash is built into Chrome so you don't
>>>> have
>>>> to install or update it.  It updates itself automatically within
>>>> Chrome.
>>>>
>>>> Gene
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Sharni-Lee Ward<mailto:sharni-lee.ward@...>
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 9:18 PM
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash
>>>>
>>>> I haven't been able to use the Adobe Flash plugin for years now. It
>>>> always crashes
>>>>
>>>> if I load a page in Firefox that happens to have Flash content. I've
>>>> long since given up trying and am just happy that YouTube has an
>>>> alternate player.
>>>>
>>>> If anyone could tell me why my flash player isn't working I'd also be
>>>> very grateful.
>>>> On 3/12/2016 1:56 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
>>>>> hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> The kill windowless flash script seems to no longer be working.
>>>>> Whenever I encounter a flash object, nvda anounces it as unavailable.
>>>>> Is there anything I can do about this?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration is:
> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




Re: java vs java script (was regression with adobe flash

 

yes.
i only installed flash player 11 for one hour and removed it fast.

On 12/3/16, Michael Capelle <mcapelle@charter.net> wrote:
is it ok then to uninstall flash player?
----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] java vs java script (was regression with adobe flash


hi again david and gene.
i agree with you about vulnerability in java and flash and i am very
glad that know the browsers discontinue supporting them.
i installed java in two years ago because one software about the holy
quran and uninstalled it for its security problems.

and also hi travis.
thanks so much for your useful informations and links too.
i think that the given informations from me was true except the
similarity between the company of java and javascript.
am i right?
i request all the best for you from Allah and his infinite mercy.

On 12/3/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I should begin by saying that there may be new developments regarding
Mozilla discontinuing Flash. But that was the reasonably current
material
found with a Google search as a very early result. I didn't look
further
because I believe it will likely create great confusion and discontent
to
completely block Flash. But, as I said, there may be newer developments

and
I may be wrong. Perhaps under pressure, the transition will occur more
quickly than I think.

Second, perhaps Google will completely block Flash near the end of next
year. We'll see. If they do so, and many sites still use Flash and not
HTML5, there may be many unhappy users. II'm not convinced that the
transition to HTML5 will proceed quickly enough for Google to do what it
appears to say it will when it says it will. We'll see.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Travis Siegel
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 7:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] java vs java script (was regression with adobe flash


And, speaking of trend micro, here's another article on their site
talking
about google, and how it plans to eliminate flash from chrome by the end

of
the year.

http://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/us/security/news/vulnerabilities-and-exploits/google-chrome-to-kill-flash-for-new-version-of-chrome




On 12/3/2016 8:41 AM, Travis Siegel wrote:

You're talking about a browser plugin for java, not java the
stand-alone
programming language. Oracle is phasing out support for browsers with
this
plugin (which a lot of browsers already removed), but this in no way
impacts
java the programming language itself. Installing java the programming
language is no more a security risk than installing c++ or pascal, or
any
number of other programming languages.


If you want more details, you can see this link:

http://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/us/security/news/vulnerabilities-and-exploits/oracle-finally-kills-java-browser-plugin


On 12/3/2016 8:17 AM, Gene wrote:

That is not correct. JAVA, the program, has been considered a
security
risk for quite some time if you leave the JAVA program plugin active
that
JAVA, the program, places in your browser. I won't repeat the comments
I
made in another message but in case people aren't following the thread
carefully, I'm commenting here again that JAVA, the program is a
security
threat.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Travis Siegel
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 6:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] java vs java script (was regression with adobe flash


Let me clear something up here. The problems folks were having with
security related browser issues were related to javascript, not
java.
Java is not javascript, they're simply two things with similar
names.
Java is a programming language that is cross platform, and has very
good

security, including java applets that can run in the browser.

On the other hand, javascript is simply a scripting language that
runs
inside a browser (very similar to php, only php runs on the server,
not

in the browser), that allows the web page to do all kinds of things.

In

the case of javascript, with some security exploits, folks were able

to

get access to things they weren't supposed to have access to on your
machine. That's why for a while, many sites were recommending
turning
off java in your browser. What they meant was to turn off
javascript,
but some sites didn't make the distinction, and as a result, java got

a

bad rap for something it had nothing at all to do with.

Don't confuse java (the programming language) with javascript (the
scripting language).

Turning off javascript in your browser is going to break a *lot* (and

I

mean a lot) of sites, so it's not really recommended, especially
since
most of the browsers have been updated to patch the security holes
found

in javascript.

Just wanted to clarify this point, since it seems lots of folks are
still java shy, when it had nothing to do with the security exploits
that were reaking so much havoc a couple years ago.


On 12/3/2016 3:18 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
> hi.
> i recommend you not to use java and flash for there security
problems.
> i never dont install and use them and i did not see any problem
for
this.
>









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--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: My NVDA Screen reader not working properly

Gene
 

Spybot hasn't been effective for years.  Malware Bytes is considered an exceptionally good program.
 
Gene

Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] My NVDA Screen reader not working properly

hi david.
are the antimalware which you mentioned freeware, efficient, and
accessible for us?
are they trustworthy and safe to remove only malitious files not our
healthy files?
thanks so much.

On 12/3/16, David <trailerdavid@...> wrote:
> Sounds like you have some sort of bug on the system, or other things
> conflicting.
>
>
> Here, let me give you but one thing to try.
>
>
> Turn off NVDA, and then launch Narrator. The safest way, which will work
> in all flavors of Windows, would be to hit the Win-R, and then type in
> "narrator" (without the quotes), and hit Enter.
>
>
> With Narrator loaded, try to launch Internet Explorer. Does it still
> take an excessive amount of time to load? If so, the trouble sits with
> Internet Explorer, most likely. Or, generally in your computer system,
> somewhere.
>
>
> On the other hand, should it now be that Internet Explorer will load
> fast and smoothly, likely something is going on between the the browser
> and NVDA.
>
>
> Secondly, let me take you a step further, if the browser is sluggish,
> even with Narrator.
>
>
> In this case, you might want to trace possible troubles within the
> browser. Since it loads slowly anyway, you can go back to using NVDA,
> for the further investigation.
>
>
> Not sure which flavor of Windows you are on, but if you are on Win7 and
> above, hit the Win-key, and type the first few letters in "Internet
> Explorer". When it pops up as the alternative, arrow down once or twice,
> till you get to the entry that says something like: "Load Internet
> Expleorer without add-ons". Hit Enter here, and see if your browser
> loads fast now. If so, you might want to go through the add-ons
> installed in your browser. You will find the Add-on manager under Tools,
> if memory serves me right.
>
>
> Should your browser still be slow and sluggish, I only could suggest for
> you to clean out any cookies you do not fully and completely need.
>
>
> All of this, is of course made as suggestions, based on the fact that
> you are sure to run a clean system. If not, I would strongly recommend
> you give your computer a thorough laundry and vacuum cleaning. That is
> to say, run at least one piece of Anti-Virus scan, and no less than one
> Anti-Malware scan. Either use locally installed products, which you can
> download for free, or use online services. Note, if you are on a dial-up
> connection, please do not run online scanners, as the traffic over the
> net will be extensive, and your phone bill will raise dramatically.
>
>
> Free anti-malware scanners that might be of interest, could be
> Malwarebytes, or Spybot Search & Destroy. You will find those and
> others, from the Ninite site, which I strongly recommend since you then
> won't get loads of bloatware along with your installation. Ninite you
> find here:
>
>      www.ninite.com/
>
>
> Hope any of this helped you out a bit.
>
>
> David
>
> On 12/3/2016 11:40 AM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
>> Hi good people:
>> I'm having teething problems with my NVDA screenreader.  The problem
>> happens when I am on the internet.  Firstly, my web browser, does not
>> launch quickly.  Before NVDA launches with the browser, it takes a
>> very long time.  Secondly, it can be very difficult to navigate a web
>> page.  The screenreader responds very slowly.  Sometimes, I have to
>> relaunch the NVDA from the desktop, to get it working properly.
>> Thirdly, sometimes, when I am working on a site, I am taking off the
>> site totally, and I have to go through the painful process of
>> relaunching the site again.
>> Please has anyone had these problems at any time, how did you go about
>> resolving them.  It's terrible, and I don't know what to do.
>> Looking forward to reading from you.
>> >From Ibrahim in Nigeria.
>>
>>
>>
>> .
>>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: My NVDA Screen reader not working properly

David <trailerdavid@...>
 

They have been around for a good amount of years now, and are generally
known to be effective, and safe. Whatever safe means, these days.


I have been running both the Spybot and Malwarebytes for years, and have
had little or no trouble with them. Currently I have them both
installed, along with both Window-Eyes and NVDA 2016-3. Have not had any
trouble with them removing any important files, but then again, I only
can speak for my own system.


As to accessibility, I know they both can be run with Window-Eyes. NVDA,
I only have used to operate Spybot, but I will try running Malwarebytes
under NVDA, next time I do a scan. I then could report back, in case
noone else on the list can pop in and confirm the software and screen
reader to cooperate.


Ninite, is a reputable installation service. They have the big benefit
of offering you to check boxes on their website, for whichever software
you want to install. Near the bottom of the page, you will find a
button, saying "Download Installer". Hit this one, and you will download
an EXE file, which is the complete installer for all your checked
software. Running this installer, will quickly install all the requested
software, without any further interaction from you, and without any
additional troubleware. Gone are all the clicks on "I Accept"-buttons,
and choices of full or partial installations, or any of the rest of
blah-blah you usually have to go through.


But best of all, the downloaded ninite installer, will also work as your
permanent updater. Whenever you want your software updated, simply run
the installer file again. It will automatically detect what software
needs to be installed, and which one to update.


Even better, save the installer on a USB pen, and whenever you get a new
computer, and want all your favorite software installed, without having
to remember which one and where to get it, simply do as follows. Plug in
the USB pen, open the drive, and run the installer. Bloopsy, there you
have your brand new computer - all ready, completely installed, good to go.


All of these services - Spybot, Malwarebytes and Ninite installer - do
come in free versions (which I run myself). They further do have
paid-for services, which naturally will offer you certain enhancements.
In general, the paid for services will be automated, whereas the free
versions will have to be operated manually.


BTW, Ninite even has a special section, holding software that is known
generally to work with screen readers. Check them out. Your installation
and keeping up-to-date, has just got a whole lot easier and faster.


Tip: Download your installer, and leave it on the Desktop. There you can
quickly reach it. Run it once a month, to make sure your software stays
updated.


Note: The Ninite installer only updates the software, not the databases.
That is, for the Spybot, you will have to manually update the database
of malware definitions, which you can quickly do from the SysTray.
Malwarebytes, can be set to automatically download and update the
database, every time it is started.


Hope this gave some answer to your query. If you have further issues,
come back and let us see if there might be help for you. :)


agi

David

On 12/3/2016 4:24 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi david.
are the antimalware which you mentioned freeware, efficient, and
accessible for us?
are they trustworthy and safe to remove only malitious files not our
healthy files?
thanks so much.

On 12/3/16, David <trailerdavid@hotmail.com> wrote:
Sounds like you have some sort of bug on the system, or other things
conflicting.


Here, let me give you but one thing to try.


Turn off NVDA, and then launch Narrator. The safest way, which will work
in all flavors of Windows, would be to hit the Win-R, and then type in
"narrator" (without the quotes), and hit Enter.


With Narrator loaded, try to launch Internet Explorer. Does it still
take an excessive amount of time to load? If so, the trouble sits with
Internet Explorer, most likely. Or, generally in your computer system,
somewhere.


On the other hand, should it now be that Internet Explorer will load
fast and smoothly, likely something is going on between the the browser
and NVDA.


Secondly, let me take you a step further, if the browser is sluggish,
even with Narrator.


In this case, you might want to trace possible troubles within the
browser. Since it loads slowly anyway, you can go back to using NVDA,
for the further investigation.


Not sure which flavor of Windows you are on, but if you are on Win7 and
above, hit the Win-key, and type the first few letters in "Internet
Explorer". When it pops up as the alternative, arrow down once or twice,
till you get to the entry that says something like: "Load Internet
Expleorer without add-ons". Hit Enter here, and see if your browser
loads fast now. If so, you might want to go through the add-ons
installed in your browser. You will find the Add-on manager under Tools,
if memory serves me right.


Should your browser still be slow and sluggish, I only could suggest for
you to clean out any cookies you do not fully and completely need.


All of this, is of course made as suggestions, based on the fact that
you are sure to run a clean system. If not, I would strongly recommend
you give your computer a thorough laundry and vacuum cleaning. That is
to say, run at least one piece of Anti-Virus scan, and no less than one
Anti-Malware scan. Either use locally installed products, which you can
download for free, or use online services. Note, if you are on a dial-up
connection, please do not run online scanners, as the traffic over the
net will be extensive, and your phone bill will raise dramatically.


Free anti-malware scanners that might be of interest, could be
Malwarebytes, or Spybot Search & Destroy. You will find those and
others, from the Ninite site, which I strongly recommend since you then
won't get loads of bloatware along with your installation. Ninite you
find here:

www.ninite.com/


Hope any of this helped you out a bit.


David

On 12/3/2016 11:40 AM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
Hi good people:
I'm having teething problems with my NVDA screenreader. The problem
happens when I am on the internet. Firstly, my web browser, does not
launch quickly. Before NVDA launches with the browser, it takes a
very long time. Secondly, it can be very difficult to navigate a web
page. The screenreader responds very slowly. Sometimes, I have to
relaunch the NVDA from the desktop, to get it working properly.
Thirdly, sometimes, when I am working on a site, I am taking off the
site totally, and I have to go through the painful process of
relaunching the site again.
Please has anyone had these problems at any time, how did you go about
resolving them. It's terrible, and I don't know what to do.
Looking forward to reading from you.
From Ibrahim in Nigeria.


.



Re: java vs java script (was regression with adobe flash

Michael Capelle <mcapelle@...>
 

is it ok then to uninstall flash player?

----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] java vs java script (was regression with adobe flash


hi again david and gene.
i agree with you about vulnerability in java and flash and i am very
glad that know the browsers discontinue supporting them.
i installed java in two years ago because one software about the holy
quran and uninstalled it for its security problems.

and also hi travis.
thanks so much for your useful informations and links too.
i think that the given informations from me was true except the
similarity between the company of java and javascript.
am i right?
i request all the best for you from Allah and his infinite mercy.

On 12/3/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I should begin by saying that there may be new developments regarding
Mozilla discontinuing Flash. But that was the reasonably current material
found with a Google search as a very early result. I didn't look further
because I believe it will likely create great confusion and discontent to
completely block Flash. But, as I said, there may be newer developments and
I may be wrong. Perhaps under pressure, the transition will occur more
quickly than I think.

Second, perhaps Google will completely block Flash near the end of next
year. We'll see. If they do so, and many sites still use Flash and not
HTML5, there may be many unhappy users. II'm not convinced that the
transition to HTML5 will proceed quickly enough for Google to do what it
appears to say it will when it says it will. We'll see.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Travis Siegel
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 7:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] java vs java script (was regression with adobe flash


And, speaking of trend micro, here's another article on their site talking
about google, and how it plans to eliminate flash from chrome by the end of
the year.

http://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/us/security/news/vulnerabilities-and-exploits/google-chrome-to-kill-flash-for-new-version-of-chrome




On 12/3/2016 8:41 AM, Travis Siegel wrote:

You're talking about a browser plugin for java, not java the stand-alone
programming language. Oracle is phasing out support for browsers with this
plugin (which a lot of browsers already removed), but this in no way impacts
java the programming language itself. Installing java the programming
language is no more a security risk than installing c++ or pascal, or any
number of other programming languages.


If you want more details, you can see this link:

http://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/us/security/news/vulnerabilities-and-exploits/oracle-finally-kills-java-browser-plugin


On 12/3/2016 8:17 AM, Gene wrote:

That is not correct. JAVA, the program, has been considered a security
risk for quite some time if you leave the JAVA program plugin active that
JAVA, the program, places in your browser. I won't repeat the comments I
made in another message but in case people aren't following the thread
carefully, I'm commenting here again that JAVA, the program is a security
threat.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Travis Siegel
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 6:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] java vs java script (was regression with adobe flash


Let me clear something up here. The problems folks were having with
security related browser issues were related to javascript, not java.
Java is not javascript, they're simply two things with similar names.
Java is a programming language that is cross platform, and has very good

security, including java applets that can run in the browser.

On the other hand, javascript is simply a scripting language that runs
inside a browser (very similar to php, only php runs on the server, not

in the browser), that allows the web page to do all kinds of things. In

the case of javascript, with some security exploits, folks were able to

get access to things they weren't supposed to have access to on your
machine. That's why for a while, many sites were recommending turning
off java in your browser. What they meant was to turn off javascript,
but some sites didn't make the distinction, and as a result, java got a

bad rap for something it had nothing at all to do with.

Don't confuse java (the programming language) with javascript (the
scripting language).

Turning off javascript in your browser is going to break a *lot* (and I

mean a lot) of sites, so it's not really recommended, especially since
most of the browsers have been updated to patch the security holes found

in javascript.

Just wanted to clarify this point, since it seems lots of folks are
still java shy, when it had nothing to do with the security exploits
that were reaking so much havoc a couple years ago.


On 12/3/2016 3:18 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
> hi.
> i recommend you not to use java and flash for there security
problems.
> i never dont install and use them and i did not see any problem for
this.
>









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best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: java vs java script (was regression with adobe flash

 

hi again david and gene.
i agree with you about vulnerability in java and flash and i am very
glad that know the browsers discontinue supporting them.
i installed java in two years ago because one software about the holy
quran and uninstalled it for its security problems.

and also hi travis.
thanks so much for your useful informations and links too.
i think that the given informations from me was true except the
similarity between the company of java and javascript.
am i right?
i request all the best for you from Allah and his infinite mercy.

On 12/3/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I should begin by saying that there may be new developments regarding
Mozilla discontinuing Flash. But that was the reasonably current material
found with a Google search as a very early result. I didn't look further
because I believe it will likely create great confusion and discontent to
completely block Flash. But, as I said, there may be newer developments and
I may be wrong. Perhaps under pressure, the transition will occur more
quickly than I think.

Second, perhaps Google will completely block Flash near the end of next
year. We'll see. If they do so, and many sites still use Flash and not
HTML5, there may be many unhappy users. II'm not convinced that the
transition to HTML5 will proceed quickly enough for Google to do what it
appears to say it will when it says it will. We'll see.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Travis Siegel
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 7:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] java vs java script (was regression with adobe flash


And, speaking of trend micro, here's another article on their site talking
about google, and how it plans to eliminate flash from chrome by the end of
the year.

http://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/us/security/news/vulnerabilities-and-exploits/google-chrome-to-kill-flash-for-new-version-of-chrome




On 12/3/2016 8:41 AM, Travis Siegel wrote:

You're talking about a browser plugin for java, not java the stand-alone
programming language. Oracle is phasing out support for browsers with this
plugin (which a lot of browsers already removed), but this in no way impacts
java the programming language itself. Installing java the programming
language is no more a security risk than installing c++ or pascal, or any
number of other programming languages.


If you want more details, you can see this link:

http://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/us/security/news/vulnerabilities-and-exploits/oracle-finally-kills-java-browser-plugin


On 12/3/2016 8:17 AM, Gene wrote:

That is not correct. JAVA, the program, has been considered a security
risk for quite some time if you leave the JAVA program plugin active that
JAVA, the program, places in your browser. I won't repeat the comments I
made in another message but in case people aren't following the thread
carefully, I'm commenting here again that JAVA, the program is a security
threat.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Travis Siegel
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 6:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] java vs java script (was regression with adobe flash


Let me clear something up here. The problems folks were having with
security related browser issues were related to javascript, not java.
Java is not javascript, they're simply two things with similar names.
Java is a programming language that is cross platform, and has very good

security, including java applets that can run in the browser.

On the other hand, javascript is simply a scripting language that runs
inside a browser (very similar to php, only php runs on the server, not

in the browser), that allows the web page to do all kinds of things. In

the case of javascript, with some security exploits, folks were able to

get access to things they weren't supposed to have access to on your
machine. That's why for a while, many sites were recommending turning
off java in your browser. What they meant was to turn off javascript,
but some sites didn't make the distinction, and as a result, java got a

bad rap for something it had nothing at all to do with.

Don't confuse java (the programming language) with javascript (the
scripting language).

Turning off javascript in your browser is going to break a *lot* (and I

mean a lot) of sites, so it's not really recommended, especially since
most of the browsers have been updated to patch the security holes found

in javascript.

Just wanted to clarify this point, since it seems lots of folks are
still java shy, when it had nothing to do with the security exploits
that were reaking so much havoc a couple years ago.


On 12/3/2016 3:18 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
> hi.
> i recommend you not to use java and flash for there security
problems.
> i never dont install and use them and i did not see any problem for
this.
>









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al-islam.org


Re: regression with adobe flash

 

hi geen again.
you rescued me from a very big concern!
i realy pray for you and admire your help and useful informations.
and thanks so much for the great news about reduce use of flash in firefox!
about your question, when i realy need one audio file, i select to
open it with the potplayer or download it.
and when i dont need it, i benefit from not waisting of my internet charge!
and how do you activate and deactivate javascript when you need and
dont need it?
i only know that about:config and make true and false javascript.enabled.

On 12/3/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I don't see why you would have a JAVA plugin if you didn't install the JAVA
program. The plugin is installed by JAVA.

As far as JAVA settings in the about:config settings are concerned, as far
as I can see, they all apply to JAVA script, not to JAVA, the program. The
one I wasn't sure of, I did a Google search on and it has nothing to do with
JAVA, the program.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 7:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash


hi gene.
thanks for your useful information.
i never dont install java program but i am afraid always that is it
possible that java plugin works in the browser without installing java
program?
if its no, whats the reason that i see java plugin in firefox
about:config and i change plugin.state.java to 0?
i use windows xp and the newer versions of java and also firefox 53
and later, dont support xp.
which version of windows, do you use?
thanks and God bless you for your help.

On 12/3/16, Brice Mijares <bricemijares@att.net> wrote:
I read some where last week where FX will prevent adobe flash from
working by summer of 2017.

On 12/3/2016 12:18 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi.
i recommend you not to use java and flash for there security problems.
i never dont install and use them and i did not see any problem for
this.

On 12/3/16, Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com> wrote:
I think OP wants an answer to their problem. I will try this with
Chrome
later, and I apologise for hijacking the thread.


OP is having an issue I had previously that was fixed by "Kill
Windowless
Flash", which was a useful script but no longer seems to be working
with
current Firefox. NVDA doesn't let you into certain embedded objects if
you
don't have this script, instead saying "Embedded Object Unavailable."
Is
there a fix for this that doesn't involve the apparently defunct "Kill
Windowless Flash" Greasemonkey script?

On 3/12/2016 4:41 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:

hi,

let me clerify a point. Flash isn't crashing. Rather, nvda is failing
to
access the object. A situation directly the fault of nvda.

On 12/3/2016 7:42 AM, Gene wrote:
Proof of what? I think it's likely that Flash would run properly in
Chrome
on the machine. I won't have proof unless it is tried. We don't know
if
Flash is crashing because Flash is crashing or if Flash is crashing
because
of some sort of problem when it is run with Firefox. Chrome isn't
perfectly
accessible but it is reasonably so and should serve quite well when
used
on
sites with flash. Chrome has quirks when working with settings and I'm
not
sure if it reads all structures on web pages as well as Firefox but
when
used on web pages, it is nearly as accessible, if not as accessible, as
Chrome. And for this very limited use, there may be no need to work
with
settings.

Of course, working on why flash is crashing with the browser currently
being
used could be investigated on a technical list of blind users or on a
site
like Bleeping Computer. It would probably be faster and easier to just
try
Chrome.

Gene

From: enes sarıbaş<mailto:enes.saribas@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 10:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash


hi,

do you have actual proof of this? Since adobe flash, is the same flash
used
in chrome, I would asume the same problems exist. Also, chrome had
accessibility issues last I remember.

On 12/3/2016 7:06 AM, Gene wrote:
I'm not sure but this is a very good example of why you should use more
than
one browser. If you use Chrome for sites where you want to use Flash,
you
will probably have no problem. Flash is built into Chrome so you don't
have
to install or update it. It updates itself automatically within
Chrome.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Sharni-Lee Ward<mailto:sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 9:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash

I haven't been able to use the Adobe Flash plugin for years now. It
always crashes

if I load a page in Firefox that happens to have Flash content. I've
long since given up trying and am just happy that YouTube has an
alternate player.

If anyone could tell me why my flash player isn't working I'd also be
very grateful.
On 3/12/2016 1:56 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
hi,

The kill windowless flash script seems to no longer be working.
Whenever I encounter a flash object, nvda anounces it as unavailable.
Is there anything I can do about this?













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in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: My NVDA Screen reader not working properly

 

hi ibrahim.
about your problem it depends on your hardware system, your softwares
installed and specially the softwares that you run together.
or maybe you opened many tabs and many websites in your browser in the
same time which makes your browser slow.
for the best security settings in using browsers, i recommend you and
all to study this link:

https://www.veracode.com/blog/2013/03/browser-security-settings-for-chrome-firefox-and-internet-explorer
Allah bless you.

On 12/3/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hi david.
are the antimalware which you mentioned freeware, efficient, and
accessible for us?
are they trustworthy and safe to remove only malitious files not our
healthy files?
thanks so much.

On 12/3/16, David <trailerdavid@hotmail.com> wrote:
Sounds like you have some sort of bug on the system, or other things
conflicting.


Here, let me give you but one thing to try.


Turn off NVDA, and then launch Narrator. The safest way, which will work
in all flavors of Windows, would be to hit the Win-R, and then type in
"narrator" (without the quotes), and hit Enter.


With Narrator loaded, try to launch Internet Explorer. Does it still
take an excessive amount of time to load? If so, the trouble sits with
Internet Explorer, most likely. Or, generally in your computer system,
somewhere.


On the other hand, should it now be that Internet Explorer will load
fast and smoothly, likely something is going on between the the browser
and NVDA.


Secondly, let me take you a step further, if the browser is sluggish,
even with Narrator.


In this case, you might want to trace possible troubles within the
browser. Since it loads slowly anyway, you can go back to using NVDA,
for the further investigation.


Not sure which flavor of Windows you are on, but if you are on Win7 and
above, hit the Win-key, and type the first few letters in "Internet
Explorer". When it pops up as the alternative, arrow down once or twice,
till you get to the entry that says something like: "Load Internet
Expleorer without add-ons". Hit Enter here, and see if your browser
loads fast now. If so, you might want to go through the add-ons
installed in your browser. You will find the Add-on manager under Tools,
if memory serves me right.


Should your browser still be slow and sluggish, I only could suggest for
you to clean out any cookies you do not fully and completely need.


All of this, is of course made as suggestions, based on the fact that
you are sure to run a clean system. If not, I would strongly recommend
you give your computer a thorough laundry and vacuum cleaning. That is
to say, run at least one piece of Anti-Virus scan, and no less than one
Anti-Malware scan. Either use locally installed products, which you can
download for free, or use online services. Note, if you are on a dial-up
connection, please do not run online scanners, as the traffic over the
net will be extensive, and your phone bill will raise dramatically.


Free anti-malware scanners that might be of interest, could be
Malwarebytes, or Spybot Search & Destroy. You will find those and
others, from the Ninite site, which I strongly recommend since you then
won't get loads of bloatware along with your installation. Ninite you
find here:

www.ninite.com/


Hope any of this helped you out a bit.


David

On 12/3/2016 11:40 AM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
Hi good people:
I'm having teething problems with my NVDA screenreader. The problem
happens when I am on the internet. Firstly, my web browser, does not
launch quickly. Before NVDA launches with the browser, it takes a
very long time. Secondly, it can be very difficult to navigate a web
page. The screenreader responds very slowly. Sometimes, I have to
relaunch the NVDA from the desktop, to get it working properly.
Thirdly, sometimes, when I am working on a site, I am taking off the
site totally, and I have to go through the painful process of
relaunching the site again.
Please has anyone had these problems at any time, how did you go about
resolving them. It's terrible, and I don't know what to do.
Looking forward to reading from you.
From Ibrahim in Nigeria.


.




--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
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Re: My NVDA Screen reader not working properly

 

hi david.
are the antimalware which you mentioned freeware, efficient, and
accessible for us?
are they trustworthy and safe to remove only malitious files not our
healthy files?
thanks so much.

On 12/3/16, David <trailerdavid@hotmail.com> wrote:
Sounds like you have some sort of bug on the system, or other things
conflicting.


Here, let me give you but one thing to try.


Turn off NVDA, and then launch Narrator. The safest way, which will work
in all flavors of Windows, would be to hit the Win-R, and then type in
"narrator" (without the quotes), and hit Enter.


With Narrator loaded, try to launch Internet Explorer. Does it still
take an excessive amount of time to load? If so, the trouble sits with
Internet Explorer, most likely. Or, generally in your computer system,
somewhere.


On the other hand, should it now be that Internet Explorer will load
fast and smoothly, likely something is going on between the the browser
and NVDA.


Secondly, let me take you a step further, if the browser is sluggish,
even with Narrator.


In this case, you might want to trace possible troubles within the
browser. Since it loads slowly anyway, you can go back to using NVDA,
for the further investigation.


Not sure which flavor of Windows you are on, but if you are on Win7 and
above, hit the Win-key, and type the first few letters in "Internet
Explorer". When it pops up as the alternative, arrow down once or twice,
till you get to the entry that says something like: "Load Internet
Expleorer without add-ons". Hit Enter here, and see if your browser
loads fast now. If so, you might want to go through the add-ons
installed in your browser. You will find the Add-on manager under Tools,
if memory serves me right.


Should your browser still be slow and sluggish, I only could suggest for
you to clean out any cookies you do not fully and completely need.


All of this, is of course made as suggestions, based on the fact that
you are sure to run a clean system. If not, I would strongly recommend
you give your computer a thorough laundry and vacuum cleaning. That is
to say, run at least one piece of Anti-Virus scan, and no less than one
Anti-Malware scan. Either use locally installed products, which you can
download for free, or use online services. Note, if you are on a dial-up
connection, please do not run online scanners, as the traffic over the
net will be extensive, and your phone bill will raise dramatically.


Free anti-malware scanners that might be of interest, could be
Malwarebytes, or Spybot Search & Destroy. You will find those and
others, from the Ninite site, which I strongly recommend since you then
won't get loads of bloatware along with your installation. Ninite you
find here:

www.ninite.com/


Hope any of this helped you out a bit.


David

On 12/3/2016 11:40 AM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
Hi good people:
I'm having teething problems with my NVDA screenreader. The problem
happens when I am on the internet. Firstly, my web browser, does not
launch quickly. Before NVDA launches with the browser, it takes a
very long time. Secondly, it can be very difficult to navigate a web
page. The screenreader responds very slowly. Sometimes, I have to
relaunch the NVDA from the desktop, to get it working properly.
Thirdly, sometimes, when I am working on a site, I am taking off the
site totally, and I have to go through the painful process of
relaunching the site again.
Please has anyone had these problems at any time, how did you go about
resolving them. It's terrible, and I don't know what to do.
Looking forward to reading from you.
From Ibrahim in Nigeria.


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