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Announcing NVDA 2016.2.1RS1 (20160613)

 

Hi everyone,

 

Some of you may recall a message I sent a few days ago announcing a try build of NVDA that supports Redstone. The update to this build is now out:

https://t.co/WasodNKlh5

 

Overview:

·         Includes features and sacrifices from NVDA 2016.2.1 (due to issues, grammar error announcement is gone in 2016.2.1 until a better solution is found).

·         Based on latest NVDA master (live beta) snapshot. Don’t worry if you hear error tones.

·         This build is optimized for Windows 10 Anniversary Update Preview build 14342 or later. The recommended build is 14361.

 

Differences from regular NVDA 2016.2.1 release:

·         Does not support updates.

·         Based on development branch code.

·         Do not install this build unless if you’d like to try out several items outlined below.

·         Due to ever-changing nature of Windows 10, updated builds of this kind will be released if accessibility fixes are required after Microsoft releases Insider builds.

·         Important: This is a third-party build. If you’d like to use snapshots from NV Access, please use either master or next snapshots, or use the latest released version (2016.2.1).

 

Changelog:

·         Redesigned UAC dialog is now announced (if you install this try build). In recent Redstone builds, UAC dialog has received a complete redesign – no longer a desktop dialog, it is now powered by Universal Windows Platform. This means all screen readers are affected when it comes to announcing UAC prompts.

·         NVDA now announces contents of sign-in and other secure screens in Redstone and other Windows 10 builds (also includes Threshold (10240 and 10586) builds).

·         You can now activate password edit box if you’re using touchscreens (may not work properly; don’t worry, all the provisions are there).

·         NVDA will announce status messages if you type a wrong password.

·         Browse mode makes a partial return in Microsoft Edge (ironically, it does not work in Edge itself, but it does work in Feedback Hub app).

 

Important things to note on current Windows 10 Redstone builds:

·         Invalid entry announcement: gone in build 14361 (a XAML (eXtensible Application Markup Language) markup problem in universal apps framework is to blame).

·         If you are using build 14361 and if you happen to restart NVDA, Start search suggestions will not be announced. The workaround is to launch Narrator, do a search, and then NVDA will start announcing suggestions (likely an issue with unresponsive or slow UI Automation).

·         Certain dialogs are not recognized as dialogs nor contents are announced. I’m actively hunting for these dialogs (partly caused by UI Automation tagging issue where NV Access and Microsoft have differing opinions on what a dialog is).

 

Contributing code: if you’d like to see the beauty of this build and/or help fix Windows 10 issues, please let me know. As always, source code of this and other NVDA artifacts can be obtained from the following location:

http://github.com/nvaccess/nvda

My own lab of NVDA code (where I have several experimental branches not found in NV Access repository) can be found at:

http://github.com/josephsl/nvda

 

Sending feedback: If you have feedback regarding this build, please send them to me directly (joseph.lee22590@...), via Twitter at @joslee or Facebook at josephsl. Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Interesting news

John J. Boyer
 

Mac OSX VoiceOver recognizes my Pac Mate display as soon as it is
plugged in. On Debian Linux the installation disk recognizes my Braille
display as soon as the load process begins. It is weird that Windows
does not have a built-in screenreader that can do the same.

I think my sighted assistant messed up NVDA. It isn't working. I'm
getting professional help to try to get some screenreader working on my
Windows computer.

My experiences with Freedom Scientific technical support have not been
positive. Their customer service has deteriorated since they were
acquired by vfo-group. it's the usual story of an acquiring company
trying to save money in the short-term and sacrificing long-term
profits.

John

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 04:07:26PM -0400, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,


I wonder what all those folks who bought MS Office for the free Window-Eyes
are going to do? I use Office on a regular basis, so I don't mind the C
note or so every year, but in addition, I thought I was getting a free copy
of Window-Eyes as a back up to NVDA. I can't see that being continued if
JAWS is still going to be sold at 900 Plus dollars and upgrade for A C note
a year. It would create an obvious conflict of interest for the now merged
giants.



On 6/14/2016 3:58 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
I guess also it would solve a lot of access problems as well around the world. I mean as to go up to any computer any where running Windows and use a screen reader. You can not really say narrator is one or if it is very basic. funny thing is that I did not know how many shortcuts etc it actually had until I looked at a list of shortcuts for it.

That is narrator.

If that was to happen they don't want it locked down you still want them to innovate.


Then again there is no reason why a government or governments can not just buy this project and pay there wages and flick off all the stuff that is plugged into the government
I mean as in a lot of countries there are certain projects for the blind and visually impaired that get there funding from the government no names mentioned.

These times are changing and hopefully prices will come down for adaptive technologies or the smart phone will do a lot more for us.

For example the new braille orbit reader that is coming out and will it be supported by NVDA?

Gene nz


like we have here.


On 15/06/2016 7:07 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
I hear you and I'm a proud supporter of NVDA. Here's my thinking though, and I'm sure it won't be popular but here goes.

Microsoft should buy NVDA for a huge sum of money and hire mic and James to head the project. Narrater should be scrapped and NVDA should be built into windows. That really rips up the open source model and that's bad; however, It trades narrater for a high end professional product for windows users across the board. It could also be that in this sinareo, usb drivers for many supported braille displays would become plug and play supported with windows via the built in NVDA. That would really be huge for some one like John. Suddenly a person who is deaf-blind could have access to install or upgrade their own copy of windows, handle their own registration, and not have to have a sighted person drop buy to download packages off the internet and fiddle with wizards.

Apple desktop and mobile solutions already have this and android as it as well. Windows is way behind and acquiring NVDA could be a great way to catch up to the pack as long as the quality of the product continues to be high.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
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On Jun 14, 2016, at 11:11 AM, multi 85 <<mailto:multi851@gmail.com>multi851@gmail.com<mailto:multi851@gmail.com>> wrote:

Now there really is a David versus Goliath and thank goodness for
NVDA, because we'd definitely have very little innovation with this
new move if NVDA didn't exist. Must support.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ai-squared-joins-vfo-home-of-freedom-scientific-and-optelec-300284405.html







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Re: NVDA-2016.2 Slows Down with Firefox

punkin38 <punkin38@...>
 

I am wanting to know wouldthere be a way to fix NVDA to where we can use face book messiager?


Re: NVDA-2016.2 Slows Down with Firefox

Antony Stone
 

Go to a faster or simpler website :)

Sorry, couldn't resist...


Antony.

On Tuesday 14 June 2016 at 23:37:33, Dave Grossoehme wrote:

Good Afternoon: How do you get Firefox to not speak busy when you go to a
web site?
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Re: NVDA-2016.2 Slows Down with Firefox

Dave Grossoehme
 

Good Afternoon:  How do you get Firefox to not speak busy when you go to a web site?

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 3:06 AM, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
Yes I often find though that the biggest slowing is when programs are booting in for the first time. This is indeed often due to the operating system allocating resources in a clumsy way, which is why it appears to be nvda doing it as its hooked in to many bits of software all the time.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Fisher" <andrefisher729@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA-2016.2 Slows Down with Firefox


NVDA is not being unresponsive, your computer is. These types of
activities are certainly not recommended for older operating systems.
What's more? You are using an outdated version of NVDA.

On 6/8/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi.
i tested your problem and took the same result.
i use windows xp not powerful hardware nvda 2015.3 and firefox 41.
when i open many apps together nvda becomes very slow, not responsive
and difficult to use.
it happens specially for example: when i am sending one file in the
skype and also opened many apps and many tab in my firefox browser.
in most cases, i quit nvda and open it again to resolve the issue.
also sometimes maybe you open a graphical website that makes your
system slow and its very hevy to load.
hope thats help and god bless you.

On 6/8/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
NVdA, if it slows down, doesn't slow down as you reported last year.
I've
never seen the kinds of slow downs you described last year attributed to
NVDA.

Gene


From: Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 2:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA-2016.2 Slows Down with Firefox


I haven't noticed this so much with Firefox, but I have noticed this a
couple times over the last few days in the ordinary system. I don't have
heaps of RAM like the person who gave their specs, but I have had this
problem crop up every now and again over the years. Usually, I can
restart NVDA without having to restart the computer, but when it came to
my Braille Display, things would lock up to the point where I'd have to
restart the entire system, sometimes requiring sighted help to do so. If
this hasn't been just me, then all those scans I did last year to try
and make everything run faster weren't effective because it wasn't my
system's fault. It was NVDA not responding. That is, of course, if the
problems are more widespread than I first thought.


On 8/06/2016 5:08 PM, Mário Navarro wrote:


NVDA is not just slow in browsers, but also in the system.
after browsing for a while, it starts to get slow and I have to turn
off and on to get normal again.
and my pc is a good machine with I5 processor, 4 RAM ..
with jaws these occurrences do not happen.
I now use the jaws 17 full-time for these reasons.
jaws is not slow in any situation like this occurred with NVDA.

I only use 3 extras.
 I do not need anything else.

NVDA is getting slower and every a new version.
this makes me worry.

I think the team of NVDA has to think about this with more seriously.

cheers.
Às 01:25 de 08/06/2016, Kwork escreveu:
Yes, but I've had this behavior in all three of the main browsers,
with both
NVDA and Jaws, so I just close and re-open Firefox, my main browser,
once in
a while, and only use the others when necessary.
Win 7, 64-bit.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob" <captinlogic@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:03 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA-2016.2 Slows Down with Firefox


System: Windows 7, NVDA 2016.2, Firefox, any version.
This has always been an ongoing problem, but it seems to be more
prevalent
now.
If you have a number of tabs open in Firefox, NVDA will begin to slow
down
appreciably in the program. Responses to key presses are delayed and
using
the browser becomes problematic and inefficient. The only solution is
to
restart firefox.
In previous versions of NVDA, this decrease in responsivness took a
while to
manifest--sometimes I could work for a whole day and NVDA would not
slow
down until the next.
However, now it barely takes six to ten hours for this slowness to
occur.
The only way to reproduce this step is to to work in Firefox for a
while,
with a number of tabs open.
I do not know if this same slowness occurs in Internet Explorer,
Chrome or
Edge.
I would like to know if others have experienced this decrease in
performance, and what--if any--solutions are available to counteract
this
problem.






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Re: Interesting news

Chris Shook <cshook0309@...>
 

One thing you have to agree with is that NVDA is ten times the screen reader that JAWS. That automatic forms mode is a pain. It activates whenever there's a forms field.
If Mocrosoft bought NVDA, that would solve their screen reader problem. Let NVDA continue to do their work with the screen reader aspect, and they just touch base with Microsoft to make sure everything works.
Chris


On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:58 PM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:


I guess also it would solve a lot of access problems as well around the world. I mean as to go up to any computer any where running Windows and use a screen reader. You can not really say narrator is one or if it is very basic. funny thing is that I did not know how many shortcuts etc it actually had until I looked at a list of shortcuts for it.
That is narrator.
If that was to happen they don't want it locked down you still want them to innovate.


Then again there is no reason why a government or governments can not just buy this project and pay there wages and flick off all the stuff that is plugged into the government
I mean as in a lot of countries there are certain projects for the blind and visually impaired that get there funding from the government no names mentioned.

These times are changing and hopefully prices will come down for adaptive technologies or the smart phone will do a lot more for us.

For example the new braille orbit reader that is coming out and will it be supported by NVDA?

Gene nz


 like we have here.


On 15/06/2016 7:07 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
I hear you and I'm a proud supporter of NVDA.  Here's my thinking though, and I'm sure it won't be popular but here goes.

Microsoft should buy NVDA for a huge sum of money and hire mic and James to head the project.  Narrater should be scrapped and NVDA should be built into windows.  That really rips up the open source model and that's bad; however, It trades narrater for a high end professional product for windows users across the board.  It could also be that in this sinareo, usb drivers for many supported braille displays would become plug and play supported with windows via the built in NVDA.  That would really be huge for some one like John.  Suddenly a person who is deaf-blind could have access to install or upgrade their own copy of windows, handle their own registration, and not have to have a sighted person drop buy to download packages off the internet and fiddle with wizards.

Apple desktop and mobile solutions already have this and android as it as well.  Windows is way behind and acquiring NVDA could be a great way to catch up to the pack as long as the quality of the product continues to be high.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
Visit the out of work bum for your chance to win one of 10 KNFB Reader or Nearby Explorer for IOS or android!  
Also check out my website for inclusion to the android platform for persons with sensery, physical or cognitive disabilities:

On Jun 14, 2016, at 11:11 AM, multi 85 <multi851@...> wrote:

Now there really is a David versus Goliath and thank goodness for
NVDA, because we'd definitely have very little innovation with this
new move if NVDA didn't exist. Must support.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ai-squared-joins-vfo-home-of-freedom-scientific-and-optelec-300284405.html





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Re: tw blue with nvda:

Lino Morales
 

It sure does Kenny.


On 6/12/2016 6:11 PM, Kenny Peyattt jr. wrote:

Hi Does TWblue still work with nvda?

Kenny Peyatt jr.



Re: Interesting news

multi 85
 

I think the two things we can be worried a bit about is that Microsoft
had a deal with GW Micro for the Office venture. Point being that, now
these two huge companies are rolled into one, Microsoft might start
treating them as some sort of only voice of the blind community or the
major screenreader group they will only work with since businesses buy
their products?
The other episode I think we must not forget, is what happened a few
years ago where Freedom Scientific products stopped supporting older
braille displays and also made manufacturers pay for these so-called
"secure" driver scheme, trying to also channel users to switch to the
focus range.
It will be interesting to see what happens, but I am really hoping
that the other very few remaining screenreader manufacturers or groups
will survive. Since NVDA is free and developed by a universal
community, I think I don't fear as much for it as compared to maybe
the smaller proprietory manufacturers, but that is hopefully assuming
that this new huge company doesn't somehow get preferential treatment.

On 6/14/16, Antony Stone <Antony.Stone@nvda.open.source.it> wrote:
What's in it for Microsoft to bother with such a move?

Do they sell more copies of Windows? Very very marginally, perhaps. They
seem to be giving Windows away for nothing these days anyway.

Will they gain market share over the competiton (ie: Apple)? I don't think
so
- Apple has a very good screen reader built in to iOS, and people who like
Apple will continue to use Apple; those who like Windows will continue to
use
Windows.

No, NV Access doesn't need to be bought by Microsoft - it needs investment
from a company which can get NVDA used by the big corporates and public
sector
who currently pay for JAWS licences, but could do so much better with an
open
source licence-free solution.

As with all open source software, the market is in support, not in supplying

it in the first place (look at Red Hat and their business model). Microsoft

has nothing to gain by acquiring NV Access, but someone with a brand name
behind them (so that they get taken seriously by large employers) and the
facilities to provide support for NVDA could do very well, both for
themselves
and for NV Access.


Well, that's my opinion, anyway.


Antony.

On Tuesday 14 June 2016 at 21:07:44, erik burggraaf wrote:

Microsoft should buy NVDA for a huge sum of money and hire mic and James
to
head the project. Narrater should be scrapped and NVDA should be built
into windows.
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Re: Interesting news

Antony Stone
 

What's in it for Microsoft to bother with such a move?

Do they sell more copies of Windows? Very very marginally, perhaps. They
seem to be giving Windows away for nothing these days anyway.

Will they gain market share over the competiton (ie: Apple)? I don't think so
- Apple has a very good screen reader built in to iOS, and people who like
Apple will continue to use Apple; those who like Windows will continue to use
Windows.

No, NV Access doesn't need to be bought by Microsoft - it needs investment
from a company which can get NVDA used by the big corporates and public sector
who currently pay for JAWS licences, but could do so much better with an open
source licence-free solution.

As with all open source software, the market is in support, not in supplying
it in the first place (look at Red Hat and their business model). Microsoft
has nothing to gain by acquiring NV Access, but someone with a brand name
behind them (so that they get taken seriously by large employers) and the
facilities to provide support for NVDA could do very well, both for themselves
and for NV Access.


Well, that's my opinion, anyway.


Antony.

On Tuesday 14 June 2016 at 21:07:44, erik burggraaf wrote:

Microsoft should buy NVDA for a huge sum of money and hire mic and James to
head the project. Narrater should be scrapped and NVDA should be built
into windows.
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Re: Interesting news

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


I wonder what all those folks who bought MS Office for the free Window-Eyes are going to do? I use Office on a regular basis, so I don't mind the C note or so every year, but in addition, I thought I was getting a free copy of Window-Eyes as a back up to NVDA. I can't see that being continued if JAWS is still going to be sold at 900 Plus dollars and upgrade for A C note a year. It would create an obvious conflict of interest for the now merged giants.

On 6/14/2016 3:58 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
I guess also it would solve a lot of access problems as well around the world. I mean as to go up to any computer any where running Windows and use a screen reader. You can not really say narrator is one or if it is very basic. funny thing is that I did not know how many shortcuts etc it actually had until I looked at a list of shortcuts for it.

That is narrator.

If that was to happen they don't want it locked down you still want them to innovate.


Then again there is no reason why a government or governments can not just buy this project and pay there wages and flick off all the stuff that is plugged into the government
I mean as in a lot of countries there are certain projects for the blind and visually impaired that get there funding from the government no names mentioned.

These times are changing and hopefully prices will come down for adaptive technologies or the smart phone will do a lot more for us.

For example the new braille orbit reader that is coming out and will it be supported by NVDA?

Gene nz


like we have here.


On 15/06/2016 7:07 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
I hear you and I'm a proud supporter of NVDA. Here's my thinking though, and I'm sure it won't be popular but here goes.

Microsoft should buy NVDA for a huge sum of money and hire mic and James to head the project. Narrater should be scrapped and NVDA should be built into windows. That really rips up the open source model and that's bad; however, It trades narrater for a high end professional product for windows users across the board. It could also be that in this sinareo, usb drivers for many supported braille displays would become plug and play supported with windows via the built in NVDA. That would really be huge for some one like John. Suddenly a person who is deaf-blind could have access to install or upgrade their own copy of windows, handle their own registration, and not have to have a sighted person drop buy to download packages off the internet and fiddle with wizards.

Apple desktop and mobile solutions already have this and android as it as well. Windows is way behind and acquiring NVDA could be a great way to catch up to the pack as long as the quality of the product continues to be high.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
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On Jun 14, 2016, at 11:11 AM, multi 85 <<mailto:multi851@gmail.com>multi851@gmail.com<mailto:multi851@gmail.com>> wrote:

Now there really is a David versus Goliath and thank goodness for
NVDA, because we'd definitely have very little innovation with this
new move if NVDA didn't exist. Must support.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ai-squared-joins-vfo-home-of-freedom-scientific-and-optelec-300284405.html







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Re: Interesting news

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

I guess also it would solve a lot of access problems as well around the world. I mean as to go up to any computer any where running Windows and use a screen reader. You can not really say narrator is one or if it is very basic. funny thing is that I did not know how many shortcuts etc it actually had until I looked at a list of shortcuts for it.

That is narrator.

If that was to happen they don't want it locked down you still want them to innovate.



Then again there is no reason why a government or governments can not just buy this project and pay there wages and flick off all the stuff that is plugged into the government
I mean as in a lot of countries there are certain projects for the blind and visually impaired that get there funding from the government no names mentioned.

These times are changing and hopefully prices will come down for adaptive technologies or the smart phone will do a lot more for us.

For example the new braille orbit reader that is coming out and will it be supported by NVDA?

Gene nz


 like we have here.


On 15/06/2016 7:07 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
I hear you and I'm a proud supporter of NVDA.  Here's my thinking though, and I'm sure it won't be popular but here goes.

Microsoft should buy NVDA for a huge sum of money and hire mic and James to head the project.  Narrater should be scrapped and NVDA should be built into windows.  That really rips up the open source model and that's bad; however, It trades narrater for a high end professional product for windows users across the board.  It could also be that in this sinareo, usb drivers for many supported braille displays would become plug and play supported with windows via the built in NVDA.  That would really be huge for some one like John.  Suddenly a person who is deaf-blind could have access to install or upgrade their own copy of windows, handle their own registration, and not have to have a sighted person drop buy to download packages off the internet and fiddle with wizards.

Apple desktop and mobile solutions already have this and android as it as well.  Windows is way behind and acquiring NVDA could be a great way to catch up to the pack as long as the quality of the product continues to be high.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
Visit the out of work bum for your chance to win one of 10 KNFB Reader or Nearby Explorer for IOS or android!  
Also check out my website for inclusion to the android platform for persons with sensery, physical or cognitive disabilities:

On Jun 14, 2016, at 11:11 AM, multi 85 <multi851@...> wrote:

Now there really is a David versus Goliath and thank goodness for
NVDA, because we'd definitely have very little innovation with this
new move if NVDA didn't exist. Must support.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ai-squared-joins-vfo-home-of-freedom-scientific-and-optelec-300284405.html





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Re: Interesting news

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

I hear you and I'm a proud supporter of NVDA.  Here's my thinking though, and I'm sure it won't be popular but here goes.

Microsoft should buy NVDA for a huge sum of money and hire mic and James to head the project.  Narrater should be scrapped and NVDA should be built into windows.  That really rips up the open source model and that's bad; however, It trades narrater for a high end professional product for windows users across the board.  It could also be that in this sinareo, usb drivers for many supported braille displays would become plug and play supported with windows via the built in NVDA.  That would really be huge for some one like John.  Suddenly a person who is deaf-blind could have access to install or upgrade their own copy of windows, handle their own registration, and not have to have a sighted person drop buy to download packages off the internet and fiddle with wizards.

Apple desktop and mobile solutions already have this and android as it as well.  Windows is way behind and acquiring NVDA could be a great way to catch up to the pack as long as the quality of the product continues to be high.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
Visit the out of work bum for your chance to win one of 10 KNFB Reader or Nearby Explorer for IOS or android!  
Also check out my website for inclusion to the android platform for persons with sensery, physical or cognitive disabilities:

On Jun 14, 2016, at 11:11 AM, multi 85 <multi851@...> wrote:

Now there really is a David versus Goliath and thank goodness for
NVDA, because we'd definitely have very little innovation with this
new move if NVDA didn't exist. Must support.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ai-squared-joins-vfo-home-of-freedom-scientific-and-optelec-300284405.html





NVDA Issues.

Life My Way
 

Ok, i have some questions and hopefully something can be done.
My first question is about the find comand nvda control f the regular nvda control f for me does not work weather i use a whireless or USB computer keyboard.
the extended nvda control f works but I am used to the regular way of doing things; Yes i set up a different hot key combo but would perfer to be able to use the regular nvda control f.
on a lap top i also have that key combo works fine.
and no i do not have the laptop layout on in nvda on my desktop.
Now as to the other question every so offten nvda goes into a read only mode.
That you can not save any settings why is this? and how can you fix it.
The only way i can fix it is by taking the half read only away from the folder.
but when i do i can not still save settings when shutting nvda down it will not come back when doing alt control n.
So please help!!!!!!


Interesting news

multi 85
 

Now there really is a David versus Goliath and thank goodness for
NVDA, because we'd definitely have very little innovation with this
new move if NVDA didn't exist. Must support.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ai-squared-joins-vfo-home-of-freedom-scientific-and-optelec-300284405.html


Re: Vocalizer expressive from Tiflotecnia,

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

We normally make available, with some regularity, a demo version valid for a
couple of weeks...

In the new version we will try to, like Code Factory, make all versions a
demo version for some days...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.



-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Laughingthunder
Data: tera-feira, 14 de junho de 2016 00:03
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Vocalizer expressive from Tiflotecnia,



Hi,




I don't believe it's possible to get a free trial of that version of
Vocalizer, but if you know what Vocalizer sounds' like, it shouldn't be
necessary, since Vocalizer is Vocalizer, regardless of where it was
purchased. With regard to your pronunciation question, it's hard to know
what to say for sure. I did test the voice as requested, but didn't hear
anything strange, as far as I could tell. To me, the letter "h" sounded just
fine by itself. Is there anything in particular you were looking for?





Hope that helps.

On 6/13/2016 4:35 PM, Chris Shook via Groups.io wrote:

I have two questions.
1. Is it possible to get a free trial for that version of Vocalizer
expressive?
2. When using the british voice Daniel, what does it say when you type the
letter h. Make sure to type it lower case.
Thanks
Chris



On Monday, June 13, 2016 5:05 PM, Laughingthunder
mailto:laughingthunder26@gmail.com wrote:




Hi,

I have the version of Vocalizer you mention. What is your question?


On 6/13/2016 2:42 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
Hi,
Could someone with Vocalizer expressive for NVDA from Tiflotecnia,
please contact me I have a question.



Re: reading the status line in ms word 2003

mohammad suliman
 

Hellow,
Have you tried nvda + end?





On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 3:41 PM +0300, "Joe Hunter" <joehunter@...> wrote:

Hi all in n v d a how do I read the status line in ms word 2003 like 
line page and perision. I know you can gleam this information via alt t 
and w that gives you all kinds of stuff.  Joe




is Privoxy this tool accessible with NVDA?

Mr. Wong Chi Wai <cwwong.pro@...>
 

Hi, I just learn about a proxy like software that can be installed in windows to do ad blocking.
Did anyone used this with NVDA? is it accessible?

Thanks.


reading the status line in ms word 2003

Joe Hunter <joehunter@...>
 

Hi all in n v d a how do I read the status line in ms word 2003 like line page and perision. I know you can gleam this information via alt t and w that gives you all kinds of stuff. Joe


Re: espeak n g no good it sneezes on some words

Sukil Etxenike <sukiletxe@...>
 

Hi,

I've created the issue. It's at https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/issues/131 .

Regards,

Sukil

El 10/06/2016 a las 12:18, Pete escribió:

Hi Sukil

ok, I hear the anoying sound with rate set to 100%. It goes away set to 99% and below. Again the anoying sound starts with rate boost box checked at 19% and goes away at 18% and below. The anoying sound is there all the way up from it's starting point at 19% with rate boost box checked, well atleast up to 70%. I am not sure abuv 70% with check box checked, I can't process beyond that point. It sounds like it's still there. I am stuck using nvda with espeak set to about 40% with rate boost checked now. I feal like my computer is running on malassis.

The nvda settings are default except for the rate boost and the rate set high.

That would be greatly appriciated your filing this on github!

Thanks Pete

On 6/10/2016 4:43 AM, Sukil Etxenike via Groups.io wrote:
Hi Pete,

I'd suggest the same thing I suggested before. That is, file an issue at <http:///github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/issues>;. If you don't have an account on GitHub, I can do it for you.

Please describe the error in detail, as I use the same version of eSpeak (with occassionally the English voice) with rate set to 30 or 40 with rate boost and I find no problems. Or perhaps I missunderstood you, and you use different parameteres.


RegardsSukil



El 09/06/2016 a las 13:12, Pete escribió:

hi

I all ways used the default nvda max english voice, I am disappointed in the changes made to espeak in nvda I think starting with nvda 2015 or may be as far back as 2014. Were the changes made to espeak by nvda devel or the creator of espeak. I would like a choice in nvda setup to be able to pick witch espeak to install. I feal the need for speed quite freequently and to have that fluttering sound in there when the check box for rate boost is checked so I can get up to a 600 to 800 words per min is disruptive. I am still trying to get used to it.

Pete

On 6/8/2016 1:43 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi.
i use iven3 which is the best voice and also with default rate of nvda
which is 30!
its very perfect for me.

On 6/7/16, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
I have replaced the data from old espeak over and the syntth works a lot
better one person had trouble however, espeak at least the word stuff
works as I expect it so I am not to worried.



On 8/06/2016 3:31 a.m., Pete wrote:
as the s line says espeak n g makes a buzzing or sneezing sound along
with some words.
NOT COOL AT ALL
along with the funny noises the voice flutters
This is default espeakng max voice set to en...
windows 7 x64 pro clean install
nvda installed using default settings except for speed set to 100
percent
Can I replace the espeak n g with the older one by copying the old one
over the new one in the program files x86 \ nvda folder?
Thanks for any help!
Pete




.








Re: Problem with nvda 2016.2.1

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

Funny you should say that, on all versions of windows, including xp, when a new snap or maybe the new release has been booted in, it can seemingly lose any kind of responces in a text field being typed into. Sometimes it returns if you switch tasks, sometimes you have to reboot windows. No apparent logic to it, but I'm sure this is something very recent, ie in the last couple of months.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with nvda 2016.2.1


Ok, just did a restart of Win 10 and all is good again. That was a weird one. I found a few other funny things going on so just tried a restart and it fixed several little things.

Roger









On 6/10/2016 4:08 PM, Roger Stewart wrote:
Ok, here ya go!

INFO - __main__ (16:05:09):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (16:05:09):
Config dir: C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - core.main (16:05:09):
NVDA version 2016.2.1
INFO - core.main (16:05:09):
Using Windows version 10.0.10586 workstation
INFO - core.main (16:05:09):
Using Python version 2.7.11 (v2.7.11:6d1b6a68f775, Dec 5 2015, 20:32:19) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (16:05:09):
Using comtypes version 0.6.2
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (16:05:10):
Loaded synthDriver eloquence
INFO - core.main (16:05:10):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
INFO - braille.initialize (16:05:10):
Using liblouis version 2.6.5
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (16:05:10):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (16:05:10):
Braille input initialized
WARNING - core.main (16:05:10):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - core.main (16:05:10):
NVDA initialized


Roger







On 6/10/2016 3:56 PM, Andre Fisher wrote:
Send a log here.

On 6/10/16, Roger Stewart <paganus2@gmail.com> wrote:
I've just noticed that after installing nvda 2016.2.1 that when I type
in the search field of cortana, nothing is announced at all. I don't
hear my keystrokes, nor is anything announced. Anyone know why this is
happening? Any way to fix? Only thing I can think to do is go back to
2016.2 for now and wait for the next version.


Roger