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Re: thunderbird gmail notice
Gene
I don't know what the problem is but it isn't what you think. I saw a message on another list from someone saying they must manually enter their password everytime they log in. However, I entered it once, closed Windows Live Mail, opened it again and told it to download mail. I was able to download mail without having to log in. the perverse behavior described by different people means that a Google problem is likely occurring and that waiting and manually logging in in the meantime, if necessary, may be the way to deal with the problem. We may see news accounts of the problem later in the day as it may be widespread.
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Gene
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From: Shaun Everiss Sent: Monday, May 04, 2020 7:46 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] thunderbird gmail notice Well that setting seems no more. Its still working in my dad's outlook but I can't seem to find how to switch the security protocols. Google seems to have started getting rid of all less secure access on their accounts and seem to slowly be roling out killing apps that are not secured. Sadly outlook seems to be one of these apps, for what its worth its still working here but who knows what happens if I need to reload the account or it suddenly stops. On 5/05/2020 12:17 am, Luke Davis wrote: For what it's worth, my old alpine text based client in Linux is still accessing gmail just fine with the same old IMAP over SSL I've always used.
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Re: thunderbird gmail notice
Well that setting seems no more.
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Its still working in my dad's outlook but I can't seem to find how to switch the security protocols. Google seems to have started getting rid of all less secure access on their accounts and seem to slowly be roling out killing apps that are not secured. Sadly outlook seems to be one of these apps, for what its worth its still working here but who knows what happens if I need to reload the account or it suddenly stops.
On 5/05/2020 12:17 am, Luke Davis wrote:
For what it's worth, my old alpine text based client in Linux is still accessing gmail just fine with the same old IMAP over SSL I've always used.
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Excess verbosity when tabbing through tables in MS Word
Rick
Hello:
With the latest release candidate (RC1) of NVDA, when I tab through a table in MS Word, it speaks the text in the next table cell followed by the same text saying selected and then speaking the deselected text from the previous cell. Is there a way to disable this behavior? Jaws only speaks the cell content of the new cell selected.
Using One Core voices, latest version of office 365, Windows 10 pro.
Rick
Rick Blair 603 512-1699, cell 603 382-3335, home
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Re: thunderbird gmail notice
Luke Davis
For what it's worth, my old alpine text based client in Linux is still accessing gmail just fine with the same old IMAP over SSL I've always used.
Every once in a while, they make me log in to their site and re-enable the old/less secure apps setting, but they haven't done so in at least six months. Luke
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thunderbird gmail notice
Hi all.
Please forward this out to anyone that uses thunderbird. Note it may effect other clients. Google seems to have quietly changed their security policy reguarding logins. In short google will no longer accept normal passwords. It was fine a little while ago, now it aint. To fix, you need to go to tools, alt t and navigate to accounts and hit enter. Select your account which will be your email address or the name you called it. Next scroll down the tree view to server settings and tab all the way to authentication. Next in the box talking about authentication press end or hit the down arrow till you hear o auth2 or till you can't go any lower. Hit ok. It appears that google no longer allows normal unencripted passwords to be sent to its server. That is a good thing. However unless I have been living in a dungeon they never told us about it. So if you use a normal password you will get a message saying "username and account not accepted." This message is not helpfull at the least. The first thing I did was look at the password and check security events. There were a few I had to confirm but they were not my issue. I then deleted and recreated the account then renamed the account. I then tried all the incription methods to see what it was and then well it worked. On the pluss side the fully incripted logins seem to work much faster than they used to. It appears that outlook is not effected. I really wish google gave me a better error message, ie to the effect I needed to visit their site then when I logged in explain they had changed things but no, to much to ask for during a lockdown. On the google point, how do I remove access to apps, I can see removal buttons but can't click them. Shaun
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Re: Difference between codefactory and Tiflotecnia Vocalizer
The Gamages
Using Code factory and the Serena voice, if I uncheck the box to say cap
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on a capital letter, it does not say cap, but it says capital instead, perhaps this will be corrected n a different build later, I hope so. Best Regards, Jim.
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From: Greg Wocher Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 6:56 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Difference between codefactory and Tiflotecnia Vocalizer Hello, I was just checking to see if the code factory vocalizer did not change pitch for capital letters. It does change pitch for me. I did notice that with certain voices, nathan for example, it worked on some letters but not others. I found that the female voices did do better than the male ones with Karen being the best. I also set the pitch change from 30 to 50. Greg Wocher On May 3, 2020, at 9:37 AM, Don H <lmddh50@adams.net> wrote:
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Re: Are these buttons? or links or links in buttons but not spoken out?
On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 11:26 PM, Gene wrote:
Just because something is there doesn't mean it is necessary.And there are plenty of things that are there explicitly for the sighted, as webpages are a visual medium, that are accessed slightly differently, but where the same things are accessible via screen reader using conventional elements as well. I have seen (and not on this group, I might add) tons of screaming about "discrimination" against blind folks that I, personally, think is simply not there. Web pages will never be primarily designed for screen reader users. Things like hotspots will be used because they are incredibly enticing to the main target demographic: sighted individuals. That same target demographic makes up the vast majority of users. If what I or anyone who sees get to one way, but you can get to just as easily via another, and that other is a conventional element like a link, header, button, etc., it's a difference, period, and one that makes sense. There is no way (or reason) to make a hotspot where I can click anywhere in it to get to the product's own page otherwise accessible when the very link that I go to when I click anywhere in the hotspot is an actual heading in the page itself that reads with the exact product name (in the case of the Kogan website). You can get to anything I can get to, and you will have the screen reader reading the exact thing I see in the image that makes up the hotspot text. The Kogan site, from everything I can determine, is as accessible to a screen reader user, using conventional features of a screen reader, as it is to me via point and click. That's all it needs to be in order to be accessible. And given how visually cluttered it is, and as perverse as it sounds, doing a quick through that list of headings is in certain ways far less distracting and far more direct way of finding something. The visual layout of that page is busy, busy, busy, busy - and that's with an ad blocking browser being used. I can only imagine what is being blocked as far as flashing, scrolling, and other devices meant to draw attention - all of which have always made me insane - hence the reason I've employed ad blockers since the first day I knew they existed. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Re: Cloudflare HCAPTCHA using NVDA problem
On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 11:02 PM, Arno Schuh wrote:
but there is no button etc. I could press to get the code to fit in the box.Yet, explicitly stated, above that box, is the following: "If you are visually impaired or cannot otherwise read this code please contact the Board Administrator." Clicking that mailto link opens a message to the board administrator in your chosen e-mail client. I'd suggest you follow their recommendations for their site. My guess is that once you tell the admin what the situation is they will send you an alternate registration technique or assist specifically in some other way. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Re: Are these buttons? or links or links in buttons but not spoken out?
Gene
If I understand what you are saying, this is an example of something I've noticed enough to be stated as an important thing to apply. Just because something is there doesn't mean it is necessary. On the site you are discussing, You see many buttons and you see other things that appear to be useable. If you can use those other things, you may not be missing anything that matters if you can do what you want. I used to see the following a lot more but the principle still applies. I used to see sites with a lot of unlabeled links in the navigation links at the top of the page. The bottom of the page contained the same oor a lot of the same links that read properly for some reason. If I could use the site to find what I want and do what I want, I simply disregarded the top unlabeled links, especially if experimentally clicking on one or two led me to the same place as clicking on one or two of the bottom links. but that experiment, though interesting, wasn't necessary to use the page. It was just a way to see iff I was right, the the links were redundant or mostly so.
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-----Original Message----- From: Brian Vogel Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 7:04 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Are these buttons? or links or links in buttons but not spoken out? On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 07:04 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote: The first website is is http://www.kogan.com It says button then link. If navigating by links it is spoken out but not buttons. There are some that just say button.Gene, I will stick to this website, and try as best I can to describe what's happening. The site has some (relatively few) true buttons, it has a number of links, but it is overwhelmingly populated by what was, at least when I last dealt with them, hotspots. These are graphics, generally an image of the product or class that when clicked on takes you to its page. They are, for all practical intents and purposes, buttons, but they are not button objects. What's interesting is when I use the NVDA+F7 for the NVDA elements list, if I change the element to Headings virtually all of these hotspots have individually dedicated headings (which are links themselves, contained in the hotspot), and those headings are the product name/description itself, e.g, Kogan 12 L Air Fryer, Kogan Mobile SIM - Prepaid starter pack, Trafalgar Set of 2 Hotel Quality Goose Down Pillows. If you activate the heading, you land on the link for that product and if you activate that, you are taken to its page. If you can see you can click anywhere within the hotspot border and you'll end up on the product description page, just like you would if you navigate to the heading for the product, then activate that heading link. Brian -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Re: Cloudflare HCAPTCHA using NVDA problem
Arno Schuh
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Hi,
as suggested on the side you mentioned below I tried it again,
but it seems, that didn't solve the problem.
I tried to register on
but there is no button etc. I could press to get
the code to fit in the box.
I use Win10 and actual Firefox. Screenreader is
NVDA.
Yours sincerely
Arno
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Re: Can anybody get this website menu to work?
John Isige
Thanks Brian! That works in Firefox too. I think I got to that link once
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but assumed there was surely other stuff, since it was a submenu. Kind of a weird design, but that's people for you. Great instruments, kind of odd website.
On 5/3/2020 8:32 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
In this case, "Looking after your flute," is the one and only option.
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Re: What'sapp on PC?
jazzyjennifer
so once your in side a convorsation, on whats app for pc are there any short cut keys, as far as going through different messages with in that convorsation, weather your using the web or the stand alone desk top client, i'm useing the stand alone desk top client, and i cant seam to figure out how to tell where i am at in the message threads once you have opend up a convorsation and your trying to skim through message in a sertin convorsation,
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Re: Can anybody get this website menu to work?
In this case, "Looking after your flute," is the one and only option.
I have no trouble, using the Brave browser, NVDA's latest beta (2020.1.rc1), using the screen reader search to find the Our Polymer Flutes control. When I land on it, after a second or so, the "looking after your flute" item pops up. I hit tab to land on it, then hit either Enter or Spacebar to activate it, and the page for same loads. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Can anybody get this website menu to work?
John Isige
Usually I can get these to work by hitting space on them and then either arrowing down to the stuff inside or tabbing through them. Other times you need to route with NVDA-numpad slash and then click with numpad slash. Neither of those are working here.
https://www.mandeirishflutes.ie/ The menu in question is "our polymer flutes". If you arrow to it, after a slight pause it will say "looking after your flute". I'm guessing that's the first menu choice, but if you pick the link/button, that's not what you get to. I can't figure a way to get into the menu options to pick individual choices. I suspect it has something to do with the slideshow feature because it's hard to pin navigation down sometimes.
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zoom
Hi.
Just wandered if there is an addon for zoom. Things I can't do easily are things like adding and removing contacts from the keyboard, unless there is a shortcut that is.
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Re: Are these buttons? or links or links in buttons but not spoken out?
It also appears that the TubiTV site is similar, except for what the hotspots do, which include adding a given film/show to one's queue or showing a brief preview clip. Under each is the actual title, which is what's shown in the hotspot as the poster art for the program/film in question.
-- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Re: Are these buttons? or links or links in buttons but not spoken out?
On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 07:04 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
The first website is is http://www.kogan.comGene, I will stick to this website, and try as best I can to describe what's happening. The site has some (relatively few) true buttons, it has a number of links, but it is overwhelmingly populated by what was, at least when I last dealt with them, hotspots. These are graphics, generally an image of the product or class that when clicked on takes you to its page. They are, for all practical intents and purposes, buttons, but they are not button objects. What's interesting is when I use the NVDA+F7 for the NVDA elements list, if I change the element to Headings virtually all of these hotspots have individually dedicated headings (which are links themselves, contained in the hotspot), and those headings are the product name/description itself, e.g, Kogan 12 L Air Fryer, Kogan Mobile SIM - Prepaid starter pack, Trafalgar Set of 2 Hotel Quality Goose Down Pillows. If you activate the heading, you land on the link for that product and if you activate that, you are taken to its page. If you can see you can click anywhere within the hotspot border and you'll end up on the product description page, just like you would if you navigate to the heading for the product, then activate that heading link. Brian -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Are these buttons? or links or links in buttons but not spoken out?
hurrikennyandopo ...
Hi guys
I have been coming across websites with buttons in them. I do not mind if they are labeled correctly but then when you jump down the page with B for buttons you get a lot of unlabled ones but if i remember right will take you to a page. Yet if you jump down by links they are spoken out. So the question is are there links embedded into the button? but because the button is not labled as well it is not spoken out? A couple of websites come to mind so you can see what I mean. Even if i could lable them there are 2 many of them. The first website is is http://www.kogan.com It says button then link. If navigating by links it is spoken out but not buttons. There are some that just say button. The second website is https://tubitv.com/home In this case only buttons are spoken out some are and the rest are not. They can not be activated the usual way with space bar or enter key but only the nvda key + enter key then it comes up with a little information. Could this also be because they are made more for touch screens where the buttons are not spoken out correctly? or just bad website design? I mean not the website just not doing the buttons correctly. Gene nz
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Re: Difference between codefactory and Tiflotecnia Vocalizer
Clement Chou
Anyone notice that language switching on the code factory version of
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vocalizer seems to be unreliable at best? Even with boxes checked both in the vocalizer settings as well as the actual NVDA voice settings?
On 5/3/20, Greg Wocher <gwocher@gwocher.com> wrote:
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Re: Difference between codefactory and Tiflotecnia Vocalizer
Greg Wocher
Hello,
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The Tiflotecnia one sounds a bit more gravelly than the code factory one. At least it does on my computer. Greg Wocher
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