This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out
issues with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris

What problem are you referring to. To the best of my knoledge,
everything is working fine for me.
Chris

Yess indeed. I see so many web sites, for examplewhich claim to be
accessible to this r that standard as tested by ( insert program her).
All this means from my experience is that things can be read, not how
overfull and muddled with its links it is, or the issues of stupid music
playing at the slightest provocation or the actual try to do a task test.
Its purely based on does this read, in my experience.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] [nvda\] NVDA Devils advocate


Hear, hear!!

Software development is not all that different in that regard than any
other pursuit where repair is involved. Just like a mechanic cannot fix
a car if they're unaware of a problem, or if a reported problem cannot
be replicated by them, neither can a programmer do the same for a bug.

This is one of the reasons I download and install the release
candidates. NVDA is not a major corporation with the resources to hire a
dedicated testing department that can flog the software to death. Having
been a programmer, and one in an entity that can and did do that, you
still will not find all potential bugs. Even with very thorough test
"scripts" the general user public will always find a way to do something
that no one could ever have predicted they'd do, and with results that
are sometimes as unpredictable.

Being a late beta tester on NVDA with the release candidates is a good
idea for all users of the software. And those of you who actually use
NVDA as your primary method of access can be a lot more thorough in
testing just by doing what you always do than anyone creating testing
scenarios could hope to be.

Well for serious concerns raise a ticket and for queries about techy stuff
use the development mail list.
One of the things I have been doing is running both next and master
branches to see if there were any issues. Very few occour these days though

there are typos that can cause problems. With these more odd effects tat
others cannot duplicate its always harder to fix it until they can.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Meet NVDA 2016.2, bringing spelling error beep, grammar

error detection and more to your work, home and everything in between
#NVAccess #Release

Well I'd take this up with with either James Teh or Michael Kerrun. They
put out the updates/releases.


On 6/2/2016 5:55 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

I disagree that there's no point in announcing it because it would
save quite a few people from doing unnecessary downloads and installs.

However, if it's not announced, is there somewhere that one can look
to determine that for oneself? This was the second option and one I'd
exercise if I knew where I could look on a consistent basis.


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No because sometimes I can hear colors or options and sometimes I can't! which tells me something is going on I just don't know what!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andre Fisher" <andrefisher729@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird issue

Maybe the site's layout was changed, don't you think?

On 6/3/16, Danni <luv2ride67@gmail.com> wrote:

No I can't see it! things are not in the usual place normally on the page it

shows or reads item number then title of item pics and such then price size

color description and so on with of course buttons for adding to cart and
such but it's moving colors before sizing it's too early my brain can't
think of all changes but it's moved around though sometimes it will read the

page the way it normally is!

I don't know how to explain it but will check firefox thanks anyway
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird issue

When you say moved around, can you see the screen? Often those who can and

also use speech complain that the order is different for the screenreader

to the sighted user. In my mind this implies muddled accessability bolted

on as an afterthought.
If other sites behave as you would expect, its probably the site. Might be

worth trying it in another browser.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Danni" <luv2ride67@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 6:54 AM
Subject: [nvda] Weird issue


I'm not sure if it's NVDA or I?E that is causing the issue but when I go
to qvc.com and read through the page the colors are not being read and I
noticed too that the page is mixed around am not sure how to explain it
exactly but things are out of place and i can't figure out what to check
in order to fix it?

I'm having no problems with the newest nvda and I use Firefox and
Thunderbird--no issues at all.

Roger








On 6/3/2016 1:01 PM, Chris Shook wrote:

This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out
issues with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris

Well I'd take this up with with either James Teh or Michael Kerrun. They
put out the updates/releases.


On 6/2/2016 5:55 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

I disagree that there's no point in announcing it because it would
save quite a few people from doing unnecessary downloads and installs.

However, if it's not announced, is there somewhere that one can look
to determine that for oneself? This was the second option and one I'd
exercise if I knew where I could look on a consistent basis.


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*/Brian/*

/*I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you **become
it's never enough to keep up.*/

* ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's **"Search for Signs of Intelligent
Life in the Universe"*

On 4 Jun 2016, at 06:00, Chris Shook <chris0309@samobile.net> wrote:

Arlene,
Windows 10 doesn't have a start up sound.
Chris

I'm not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2. It's working great here on my
end.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
n8mnx@att.net
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 2:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Curiosity

I am not having any issues with nvda 2016.2 every version I have not
yet encountered any issues.
Brian Sackrider

On 6/3/2016 2:01 PM, Chris Shook wrote:

This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out
issues with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris

This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out
issues with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris

Hello:

The newer the PC/machine; the less problems are encountered with
new software!

At some point some NVDA users will be hit with the reality that
Windows XP has lived a very very long life and wants to retire/be left
alone!

There are a number of charitable organizations/groups that sell
rebuilt PC's at economical prices that at least run Windows 7.

There are a number of software developers that warn customers that
their software no longer will support vintage PC's!

So, if users insist on continued usage of old PC's/machines. Then
don't complain/whine when operating systems/software does not run
correctly on your machines!

Yes! I do sound like an old curmudgeon! And, I'm very proud to
represent my age group! (55 Years and above)



On 6/3/2016 11:29 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:

I'm having no problems with the newest nvda and I use Firefox and
Thunderbird--no issues at all.

Roger








On 6/3/2016 1:01 PM, Chris Shook wrote:

This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out
issues with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris

No, You can't put the start sound that xp used at start up. I like the
sound start up for windows 7. Does ten have that same sound at start up

you would in 7?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron
Canazzi
Sent: June-03-16 12:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Curiosity

Hi Carlos,


Yes, you are right. For sentimental reason, I kept an old XP SP3
system--mostly for storage and because I finagled a way to play some DOS
games on it through the command line structure. But just this past
week, the old faithful gave up the ghost: some sort of motherboard issue
as well as a shaky hard drive. So I decided to replace it with a
reconditioned Windows 7 Home Premium system for about $125 plus tax. I
am used to having tons of back-ups in the event of a calamity so I am
comfortable with 3 computers: my 2 Windows 8 systems (one to be upgraded
shortly to ten or when I get the nerve) and the old XP system, now to be
replaced with the Windows 7 reconditioned box. Oh for the tragedy of
not hearing that old XP boot sound! I know you can configure the new
system with the old sounds--but just like dating a blonde you really
liked and then when she dumps you dating another blonde; it's really not
quite the same <laugh>!


...And so it goes.



On 6/3/2016 2:49 PM, Carlos wrote:

Hello:

The newer the PC/machine; the less problems are encountered with
new software!

At some point some NVDA users will be hit with the reality that
Windows XP has lived a very very long life and wants to retire/be left
alone!

There are a number of charitable organizations/groups that sell
rebuilt PC's at economical prices that at least run Windows 7.

There are a number of software developers that warn customers that
their software no longer will support vintage PC's!

So, if users insist on continued usage of old PC's/machines. Then
don't complain/whine when operating systems/software does not run
correctly on your machines!

Yes! I do sound like an old curmudgeon! And, I'm very proud to
represent my age group! (55 Years and above)



On 6/3/2016 11:29 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:

I'm having no problems with the newest nvda and I use Firefox and
Thunderbird--no issues at all.

Roger








On 6/3/2016 1:01 PM, Chris Shook wrote:

This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out
issues with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris

No, You can't put the start sound that xp used at start up. I like the
sound start up for windows 7. Does ten have that same sound at start up like
you would in 7?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron
Canazzi
Sent: June-03-16 12:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Curiosity

Hi Carlos,


Yes, you are right. For sentimental reason, I kept an old XP SP3
system--mostly for storage and because I finagled a way to play some DOS
games on it through the command line structure. But just this past
week, the old faithful gave up the ghost: some sort of motherboard issue
as well as a shaky hard drive. So I decided to replace it with a
reconditioned Windows 7 Home Premium system for about $125 plus tax. I
am used to having tons of back-ups in the event of a calamity so I am
comfortable with 3 computers: my 2 Windows 8 systems (one to be upgraded
shortly to ten or when I get the nerve) and the old XP system, now to be
replaced with the Windows 7 reconditioned box. Oh for the tragedy of
not hearing that old XP boot sound! I know you can configure the new
system with the old sounds--but just like dating a blonde you really
liked and then when she dumps you dating another blonde; it's really not
quite the same <laugh>!


...And so it goes.



On 6/3/2016 2:49 PM, Carlos wrote:

Hello:

The newer the PC/machine; the less problems are encountered with
new software!

At some point some NVDA users will be hit with the reality that
Windows XP has lived a very very long life and wants to retire/be left
alone!

There are a number of charitable organizations/groups that sell
rebuilt PC's at economical prices that at least run Windows 7.

There are a number of software developers that warn customers that
their software no longer will support vintage PC's!

So, if users insist on continued usage of old PC's/machines. Then
don't complain/whine when operating systems/software does not run
correctly on your machines!

Yes! I do sound like an old curmudgeon! And, I'm very proud to
represent my age group! (55 Years and above)



On 6/3/2016 11:29 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:

I'm having no problems with the newest nvda and I use Firefox and
Thunderbird--no issues at all.

Roger








On 6/3/2016 1:01 PM, Chris Shook wrote:

This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out
issues with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris

Yep, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. It's great to see some
praise and positivity around here amidst that "things don't work for me"
posts. That's why I was happy to answer and say that things are working so
far from my perspective. Now, if it happened all the time, it would get a
bit much, but let's not rain on the parade of those wanting to report
something good for a change.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Shook" <chris0309@samobile.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Curiosity


Just to clarify, I only asked how many people were not having problems
with the new NVDA because people that are having problems with the new
NVDA usually report them. I wanted to see if problems were just with a
few people or the majority.
Chris