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Web Browsers' Security And Compatibility With NVDA

Jolene Cardenas
 

Hello everyone,

Since I'm a Hadley School For The Blind student, taking online courses
for my Adult Continuing Education degree, I totally depend on NVDA to
work with my Web browser in order to complete schoolwork successfully.
However, on several occasions in late 2015, I ran in to technical
difficulties with assignment submission for one of my online classes
because of Firefox incompatibility issues on the school's assignment
submission webpage.
I contacted Tech Support and, to my horror, they recommended that I go
back to using Internet Explorer in order to do my schoolwork.
Although I had used IE for as long as I can remember, I had stopped
using it because of this article (among many others):

Millions of Windows users to face MAJOR security issues within weeks
http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/science-technology/624760/Windows-Microsoft-Internet-Explorer-End-Support-Web-Browser

Then when I got my new Asus laptop in February which runs Windows 10,
I read an article that said that NVDA wasn't compatible with Microsoft
Edge (See below for the link).

NVDA and Windows 10
http://www.nvaccess.org/win10/

Unsure which browser I should use then, I immediately returned to
using Firefox and attempted to submit a homework assignment to Hadley
through its usage, only to run in to the same technical difficulties
with assignment submission again!

Undoubtedly, the school's Tech Support will urge me to switch back to
using IE again, but I admit I'm afraid to because of what I had read
in the above article about this browser.
I'm also fully aware that if I was to chat with somebody at
Microsoft's Disability Answer Desk at:

https://login.live.com/login.srf?wa=wsignin1.0&;rpsnv=12&ct=1436994582&rver=6.5.6509.0&wp=mbi_ssl&wreply=https%3a%2f%2fpartner.support.services.microsoft.com%2fen-us%2fpartners%2fdad&lc=1033&id=293453&pcexp=false

they would try to push me to use Edge as my browser in spite of its
incompatibility with NVDA.

This situation's so frustrating for me, because I so badly want to
submit my coursework ASAP!

Can anyone using Windows 10 and NVDA please recommend a browser to me?
Thank you so much, for you have no idea how much I would appreciate
your recommendation!

aloha,

Jolene.


Re: Virtual Recorder

Gene
 

it isn't clear what you did.  Did you only record using a microphone?  Many laptops have monaural microphone recording jacks.  If you recorded something like an Internet Stream you hear in stereo, you should get a stereo recording. 
 
Your sound card may only record a microphone monaurally and purchasing microphones alone may not solve the problem because there is a good chance the jack you plug the microphone into now is a monaural jack.
You may well have to purchase an external USB sound card and make sure it has a stereo microphone jack. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Virtual Recorder

Hello there,

Brian, when I had my Dell laptop (which was a Windows 7-based system),
it recorded everything in stereo, but when I got this Asus laptop, it
records everything in mono in Virtual Recorder.
I'm beginning to think that perhaps some brands of laptop are built
for stereo recording, while others aren't.
I could be wrong, though.
Perhaps I should try Berhinger out to see if it would do for me what
Virtual Recorder won't do.

And Gene, I tried recording sound with Virtual Recorder in both stereo
and mono formats, and both recordings came out in mono.
Sounds to me like I may have to invest in a pair of microphones in
order to record sound in stereo!
Thanks so much for your feedback, though.

aloha,

Jolene.



Re: Virtual Recorder

Jolene Cardenas
 

Hello there,

Brian, when I had my Dell laptop (which was a Windows 7-based system),
it recorded everything in stereo, but when I got this Asus laptop, it
records everything in mono in Virtual Recorder.
I'm beginning to think that perhaps some brands of laptop are built
for stereo recording, while others aren't.
I could be wrong, though.
Perhaps I should try Berhinger out to see if it would do for me what
Virtual Recorder won't do.

And Gene, I tried recording sound with Virtual Recorder in both stereo
and mono formats, and both recordings came out in mono.
Sounds to me like I may have to invest in a pair of microphones in
order to record sound in stereo!
Thanks so much for your feedback, though.

aloha,

Jolene.


Re: NVDA and Amazon

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Laurie,
I downloaded firefox and tried it. It works. I can click on the links just fine in firefox. I just can't click on the links in internet explorer.
Thanks for the help.
Chris


Re: [NVDA] NVDA 2016.2 RC1 crashes

Quentin Christensen
 

No problem, glad it's working now!

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Chris Shook <chris0309@...> wrote:
Hi,
Thanks I've reinstalled it. It's working fine now.
I guess it was just a fluke.
Thanks
Chris






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Re: NVDA and Amazon

Gene
 

As I recall, you said in your first message that you can't follow links and it sounded as though you are saying you can't follow any links on the page.  Try turning off browse mode when you are on the results page.  The only way you may be able to move through links may be to tab.  Tab a lot of times until you have tabbed into the results.  Then see if you can follow links while browse mode is off. 
 
Try this test and let us know the results.
On the results page, when you get to a link you want to follow, use the command shift enter and not just enter.
If that works, it will open the page in a new browser window. 
 
It may be that your browsers, for some reason, are not allowing the links to be followed because it is misinterpreting them as popups.
 
I have one or two other tests we can try but if it appears as though they may be helpful, I'll write about them later.
I'm not saying that this is the case, but your symptoms may be the result of what is known as a potentially unwanted program being installed in your browsers without your knowledge.  What antimalware programs do you run?
 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Amazon

Yes, I do hit enter.
NVDA reads the heading and the item.



Re: NVDA and Amazon

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Yes, I do hit enter.
NVDA reads the heading and the item.


Re: [NVDA] NVDA 2016.2 RC1 crashes

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Hi,
Thanks I've reinstalled it. It's working fine now.
I guess it was just a fluke.
Thanks
Chris


Re: Can anyone actually get into this web site?

 

Hmmm I have noscript and ublock pluss better privacy.
I don't use google talk or updaters and have turned this off.

On 30/05/2016 11:33 p.m., Pete wrote:

Here are my firefox plugins

Google Talk Plugin Version 5.41.3.0 More Release Notes: Loading… Always
Activate

Google Update Google Update More Release Notes: Loading… Always Activate

Java(TM) Platform SE 8 U91 Next Generation Java Plug-in 11.91.2 for
Mozilla browsers More Release Notes: Loading… Always Activate

OpenH264 Video Codec provided by Cisco Systems, Inc. This plugin is
automatically installed by Mozilla to comply with the WebRTC
specification and to enable WebRTC calls with devices that require …
More Release Notes: Loading… Options Always Activate

VLC Web Plugin VLC media player Web Plugin More Release Notes: Loading…
Always Activate

Google Talk Plugin Video Renderer Version 5.41.3.0 More Release Notes:
Loading… Ask to Activate

Java Deployment Toolkit 8.0.910.14 is known to be vulnerable. Use with
caution. More Information Java Deployment Toolkit 8.0.910.14 NPRuntime
Script Plug-in Library for Java(TM) Deploy More Release Notes: Loading…
Ask to Activate

Adobe Acrobat (disabled) Adobe PDF Plug-In For Firefox and Netscape
11.0.16 More Release Notes: Loading… Never Activate

Primetime Content Decryption Module provided by Adobe Systems,
Incorporated (disabled) Play back protected web video. More Release
Notes: Loading… Options Never Activate

Shockwave Flash (disabled) Shockwave Flash 21.0 r0 More Release Notes:
Loading… Options Never Activate

and extentions

DownThemAll! The mass downloader for Firefox. More Release Notes: Loading…

Greasemonkey A User Script Manager for Firefox More Release Notes: Loading…

and User Scripts

Kill Windowless Flash Makes windowless (transparent or opaque) Adobe
Flash objects windowed so they have a chance of being accessible. More
Release Notes: Loading…


I can't say the kill windowless script made a difference, may be it does.

I am not sure what is actually playing the audio.

Pete

On 5/27/2016 6:42 AM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

I did installed the said addons but it does not play either.Maybe
something is broken or missing from this sites though I heard that
nvda says embedded object unavailablebut the sites loads successfully
except with the embeded object does not play on the background. Also,
I don't have any addons installed from my nvda.

Robert mendoza

On 5/27/2016 5:50 PM, John from Woodside Apps wrote:
Hello
It then sounds like a content issue that is stopping your NVDA.

Install the firefox addon you block origin
and then try it.

John from Woodside Apps.
Accessible Apps and games for mobile devices.
Android Apps
https://play.google.com/store/apps/dev?id=6590954580289174510
IOS Apps
https://itunes.apple.com/us/developer/john-sturt/id1089097833

On 27/05/2016 10:32, Robert Mendoza wrote:
I tested below mentioned link by Brian but no luck nor to play it from
here. on the Firefox version 46.0.1 and currently using the 2016.2
RC of
nvda as well. I used either the work around by playing embedded object
of nvda plus slash and slash alone but does not load. I'm using Windows
10 Pro 64-bit

Robert mendoza

On 5/27/2016 5:11 PM, John from Woodside Apps wrote:
I am using
Firefox 46.0.1
on a good old win 7 pro 64bit machine
with NVDA last release not the current RC.

John from Woodside Apps.
Accessible Apps and games for mobile devices.
Android Apps
https://play.google.com/store/apps/dev?id=6590954580289174510
IOS Apps
https://itunes.apple.com/us/developer/john-sturt/id1089097833

On 27/05/2016 09:10, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
What browser are you using?
On Firefox it is just as I suggest.

Maybe they have not tested it properly.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "John from Woodside Apps"
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can anyone actually get into this web site?


Seems fine to me
Apparently the centre is closed on bank holiday monday


John from Woodside Apps.
Accessible Apps and games for mobile devices.
Android Apps
https://play.google.com/store/apps/dev?id=6590954580289174510
IOS Apps
https://itunes.apple.com/us/developer/john-sturt/id1089097833

On 27/05/2016 08:33, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
http://www.chessingtonsportscentre.co.uk/#navigation

When I try, I get a link to go to somewhere and an embedded object
unavailable, and that is it. the link does nothing at all. This
is in
firefox 46 on windows 7 with any version of nvda.
Brian
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Re: NVDA and Amazon

Gene
 

After you type in the search field, do you press enter?  You didn't say you do.  I am assuming you press enter after typing the search. 
You say you press h to move to what you want.  That means you are moving by headings.  But what does NVDA tell you when you move to the item?  Is it just a heading or is it also a link? 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 3:52 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Amazon

Hi,
I was wondering if anyone else has been having trouble using NVDA with
Amazon. I've had this issue ever since I've gotten NVDA and was
wondering if anyone else had it.
Here is the issue step by step.
1. I log on to Amazon.
2. I type something into the search field.
3. I then press the lettter H to navigate by heading.
4. When I get to what I'm lookink for, I hit enter.
5. Nothing happens.
The only way I can click on links is to use the tab key.
Is anyone else having this issue?
Thanks
Chris



Re: NVDA keeps announcing "Pane"!

Quentin Christensen
 

Does it announce the names of the windows as you alt+tab or just read "pane"?  Have you noticed it anywhere else?

On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:48 AM, Mailing Lists <pauls_lists@...> wrote:
Hi All,

I have been trying to find out the cause of why NVDA on two of my computers
keeps announcing "Pane" whenever I alt + tab between windows. Is this a
normal thing for NVDA to do or can it be somehow stopped. It becomes
annoying after some time of moving between windows.
I am using two computers with Windows 7 on both.
Any suggestions would be welcome.

Many thanks,

Paul.
































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Re: [NVDA] NVDA 2016.2 RC1 crashes

Quentin Christensen
 

Here's the download page for 2016.2rc1: http://www.nvaccess.org/download/?nvdaVersion=2016.2rc1


Just looking on github I can't see any logged issues for rc1 so if you have crashes again we'd definitely love to hear about them, particularly if they are reproducible.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 3:51 AM, Chris Shook <chris0309@...> wrote:
Yeah, I think that may be what messed it up. I uninstalled NVDA 2016.2 RCA and rinstalled 2016.1 for the moment.  I was going to download NVDA 2016.2 RC1 again, but I can't find the link.
Chris






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Re: NVDA and Amazon

Laurie Mehta
 

Hi,

I have not had the problem you've described, but just now I went to
amazon.com
and used the search box as you described.
Then I used the h command to read the titles of the first page of results from my search.

I hit enter on some of the titles that the h command brought me to and this brought me to their product pages.

By the way, using h brought me to a line of text marked heading and NVDA also announced link on that same line of text (so I expected that these were not just headings but links as well.)

In case it's helpful to know, I am using NVDA 16.1 and Windows 7, and the browser I'm using is the most recent version of Mozilla Firefox.

But, for me, the Amazon site works fine.

HTH,
LM

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On Mon, 5/30/16, Chris Shook <chris0309@samobile.net> wrote:

Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Amazon
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Monday, May 30, 2016, 4:52 PM

Hi,
I was wondering if anyone else has been having trouble using
NVDA with
Amazon. I've had this issue ever since I've gotten NVDA and
was
wondering if anyone else had it.
Here is the issue step by step.
1. I log on to Amazon.
2. I type something into the search field.
3. I then press the lettter H to navigate by heading.
4. When I get to what I'm lookink for, I hit enter.
5. Nothing happens.
The only way I can click on links is to use the tab key.
Is anyone else having this issue?
Thanks
Chris


NVDA and Amazon

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Hi,
I was wondering if anyone else has been having trouble using NVDA with Amazon. I've had this issue ever since I've gotten NVDA and was wondering if anyone else had it.
Here is the issue step by step.
1. I log on to Amazon.
2. I type something into the search field.
3. I then press the lettter H to navigate by heading.
4. When I get to what I'm lookink for, I hit enter.
5. Nothing happens.
The only way I can click on links is to use the tab key.
Is anyone else having this issue?
Thanks
Chris


Re: [NVDA] NVDA 2016.2 RC1 crashes

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Yeah, I think that may be what messed it up. I uninstalled NVDA 2016.2 RCA and rinstalled 2016.1 for the moment. I was going to download NVDA 2016.2 RC1 again, but I can't find the link.
Chris


Re: [NVDA] NVDA 2016.2 RC1 crashes

Lino Morales
 

That's odd. I'm running WIN 10 64 bit. Did you do a recent upgrade to WIN 10?

On 5/30/2016 1:20 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
Windows 10. After I updated from windows 8.1 to windows 10, it started crashing sometimes.


Re: [NVDA] NVDA 2016.2 RC1 crashes

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Windows 10. After I updated from windows 8.1 to windows 10, it started crashing sometimes.


Re: [NVDA] NVDA 2016.2 RC1 crashes

Lino Morales
 

Nerp. What are you running? How long are you using NVDA befor she blows captain?

On 5/30/2016 12:31 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
Hi,
Has anyone else had NVDA 20.16.2 crash periodically?
Thanks
Chris


[NVDA] NVDA 2016.2 RC1 crashes

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Hi,
Has anyone else had NVDA 20.16.2 crash periodically?
Thanks
Chris


Re: NeedEasiestWayToDiscoverMyError

Bob J
 

Edit boxes? All attempts to do so were completely ignored.

Already tried reset to factory settings: Didn't help!

Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tyler Spivey" <tspivey@pcdesk.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NeedEasiestWayToDiscoverMyError


What happens when you try to activate edit boxes?
Try the obvious thing. NVDA menu, Reset configuration to factory defaults.
You'll keep your addons, but will have to reset a few of your speech
settings.
On 5/30/2016 8:06 AM, Bob J wrote:
It seems I must have mistakenly pressed a key combination which has
altered the behavior of my installed version of NVDA!

I was using NVDA version 2015.4 on my Win7, 64-bit machine to access

www.amazon.com/access

very successfully up to sometime last week.

Then, the next time I went to that access point, I could read the
display but I could not access edit boxes or activate buttons and
links. All attempts to do so were completely ignored.

Guessing that the Amazon web-site programmers had been tinkering again,
I thought that perhaps, if I updated to NVDA version 2016.1, it would
overcome some new condition on the web site. So, I updated, however,
the problem persists!

This morning, I used my XPPro machine, which is still running NVDA
version 2015.4, to access the above mentioned access point. Everything
there worked as it should! I suppose I could continue to use that
machine to access the Amazon site, however, that machine is much slower
than the Win7 machine.

Incidently, the WinXP machine is running InternetExplorer Version:
8.0.6001.18702. The Win7 machine is running InternetExplorer version 11
and FireFox's latest version, whatever that is. I experience the same
conditions described above on the Win7 machine with both of its browsers
even though it both of those browsers had been working fine previously.

So, I am convinced that the problem with NVDA's inability to properly
behave on the Win7 machine when accessing the Amazon access point is
unrelated to the version of NVDA or the version of the browsers.

The question is, therefore, what is the easiest way to identify which
key combination could I have pressed to cause the problem and what do I
need to do to undo the damage?

All helpful suggestions appreciated!

Bob


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