-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary
Bowers
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 6:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important (please read): Moderator's farewell letter:
ask not what this mailing list can do for you, ask the other way around

Hi Joseph,

Thank you for your continuing contributions to NVDA, and for your eloquent
farewell message.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 1:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Important (please read): Moderator's farewell letter: ask
not what this mailing list can do for you, ask the other way around

Dear members of the NVDA international users list, NVDA community, NVDA
users, developers, supporters and others:



For the past three years, from the moment Nimer Jaber, our head moderator
welcomed me into the ranks of list moderators until now, I always thought
about what we can do to make this place a welcoming lounge for many people
from all walks of life. Through these years, I wrote many add-ons, produced
tutorials, arbitrated in various cases, organized first NVDACon series,
learned a great deal from you all and made many mistakes. As I step down
from the moderator's podium and welcome another to this podium, I do not
regret my moderator days. I hope that Gene Asner, the one chosen to take my
place, will be an understanding moderator as he assists nimer in running
this community.



As I step down from this position, I'd like to request that you please
listen to a plea from a fellow member of this list:



You all are diplomats of NonVisual Desktop Access. As a representative of a
movement, your words, actions and posts will decide the reputation of NVDA
screen reader. Do not say to yourselves, "this is a mailing list for users
only". This mailing list is just one part of an archive of public
information available on NVDA. As such, please be careful in word choice,
how you respond and so on, as list archive is visible to everyone around the
world.



Understand those who disagrees with you. We live in a world where cultures
clash, ideas battle each other, and conflicts abound. What would be use of a
mailing list if we form cliques due to disagreements? This is more so on a
product support forum where we have people from diverse backgrounds,
different needs, different settings, varying levels of NVDA know-how and so
on. Please be understanding when someone disagrees with you, as it is better
to see people working together than groups being destroyed due to flame wars
and so forth.



Lastly, if there is one advice I'd like to pass on, it would be a quote from
a former president of the United States: ask not what your country can do
for you, ask what you can do for your country. I would change that quote to
something like this: as a member of the NVDA community, ask not what NVDA,
NV Access, other members and supporters can do for you; rather, ask what you
can do for this community, to promote NVDA, make NVDA mailing list a
welcoming place for all and to serve this community. For moderators, to ask
what we can do to serve members, including those who disagree with us.



As of this moment, I hereby declare that all moderation privileges I had
will pass onto Gene Asner. As a member of this list, I'll do my best to
follow our new moderator's wishes and obey the rules of this list. Stepping
away from moderator's podium does not mean I'll leave this community -
whatever new role I'm assigned to, I'll do my best to carry out my duties as
a member of this community.



Thank you. To Gene, good luck, and to Nimer, it was a wonderful experience
serving as a moderator under your leadership for the past three years.



Audio version of this letter (entitled "Farewell Address to NVDA mailing
list") can be found at:

http://www.nvda-kr.org/files/nvdamsgs/Moderator%20Farewell%20Address%20(Jose
ph%20Lee).mp3





Sincerely,

Joseph S. Lee

Student (Communication Studies), Los Angeles City College

Former student (computer science), University of California, Riverside

Translator, code contributor and community add-ons reviewer, NVDA screen
reader project

Former moderator, NVDA International Users List

Immediate past chair and organizing advisor, NVDA Users and Developers
Conference International

Chair, NVDA Tenth Anniversary Planning Committee

Chair, NVDACon Korea

Head list representative, Win10 Forum for Screen Reader Users

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@blindza.co.za>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Shaun, primary issue is NVDA locking up/going silent.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 31 May, 2016 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Yes, sometimes firefox just takes ages to load and sometimes if you load things up in quick succession it will crash and die.
Other times it will just run.
In between all this instability, it is actually still a stable product.
Now if it goes really bad, I am not sure what I will do, its got a good extention security and other things in its favor and I really don't want to scrap it.



On 31/05/2016 11:55 p.m., Jacob Kruger wrote:

Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.

Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.

Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but, thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?

And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.

Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1 right after NVDA starts speaking again?

Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?

TIA

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Yes, sometimes firefox just takes ages to load and sometimes if you load things up in quick succession it will crash and die.
Other times it will just run.
In between all this instability, it is actually still a stable product.
Now if it goes really bad, I am not sure what I will do, its got a good extention security and other things in its favor and I really don't want to scrap it.



On 31/05/2016 11:55 p.m., Jacob Kruger wrote:

Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.

Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.

Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but, thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?

And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.

Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1 right after NVDA starts speaking again?

Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?

TIA

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] audacity


Yes but that is such a broad question that there is no way to give more than a general answer. I seldom use Audacity but, as with so many other programs, a lot of Audacity commands are program commands, not NVDA commands. If you know them, you can use Audacity. If you have specific questions about how to do specific things, asking them may yield answers. for example, if you want to kno how to read specific information on the screen, someone may be able to answer. It may involve using NVDA screen review commands.

Gene


From: Rayette Rucker
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] audacity


Does Audacity work with NVDA?

On 6/1/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

I think many people who are in need of tech support probably do not yet use

twitter either.
Just a thought. I certainly don't.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 7:50 PM
Subject: [nvda] Announcement: Free live tech support via Skype users group
between June 13th and August 12th

Ladies and gentlemen,



For years, this list and other forums have served as a great tech support
venue for many. I'm sure many of us wanted to match the person and their
voice at times, or wished you could have a tech support experience
similar
to other screen reader companies.



That's why I'm delighted to announce that, starting from June 13th and
running for the next two months, I'll be holding free, live tech support
on
NVDA and related topics via Skype users group (established about a month
ago). Not only you'll get a chance to talk to one or more NVDA developers
(one of them actually living in America), you'll also get a chance to
receive hands-on training, participate in live feature demos, join the
developer in his lab as he cooks up interesting features, and get a
backstage tour of internals of various NVDA features. And the best thing
is,
it's all free.



Important notes:

* This will be done via NVDA users Skype group.

* The developer will be in his office during weekdays (two or
three
times a week).

* Tech support office hours will vary (aiming at between 11 AM to

3
PM Pacific (2 to 6 PM Eastern and elsewhere)), likely between 12 to 3 PM
Pacific.

* Tech support services will include answering questions, live
demos, programming feature suggestions on the fly (if it is doable), and
remote diagnostics and assistance via NVDA Remote Support add-on (user
consent required).

* Tech support hours will be posted on Twitter (for the most
part).

* If you don't have Skype, the developer is willing to meet you
via
TeamTalk.



Thank you.

Cheers,

joseph

----- Original Message -----
From: "George McCoy" <slr1bpz@charter.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox


I have the same issue on two machines running windows 7 home premium 64 bit and firefox 46.1. It makes firefox virtually unusable most of the time. I have had this since January but can’t determine a pattern that would help developers address the issue.

George

From: Jacob Kruger
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 6:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.

Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.

Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but, thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?

And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.

Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1 right after NVDA starts speaking again?

Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?

TIA

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 7:50 PM
Subject: [nvda] Announcement: Free live tech support via Skype users group between June 13th and August 12th

Ladies and gentlemen,



For years, this list and other forums have served as a great tech support
venue for many. I'm sure many of us wanted to match the person and their
voice at times, or wished you could have a tech support experience similar
to other screen reader companies.



That's why I'm delighted to announce that, starting from June 13th and
running for the next two months, I'll be holding free, live tech support on
NVDA and related topics via Skype users group (established about a month
ago). Not only you'll get a chance to talk to one or more NVDA developers
(one of them actually living in America), you'll also get a chance to
receive hands-on training, participate in live feature demos, join the
developer in his lab as he cooks up interesting features, and get a
backstage tour of internals of various NVDA features. And the best thing is,
it's all free.



Important notes:

* This will be done via NVDA users Skype group.

* The developer will be in his office during weekdays (two or three
times a week).

* Tech support office hours will vary (aiming at between 11 AM to 3
PM Pacific (2 to 6 PM Eastern and elsewhere)), likely between 12 to 3 PM
Pacific.

* Tech support services will include answering questions, live
demos, programming feature suggestions on the fly (if it is doable), and
remote diagnostics and assistance via NVDA Remote Support add-on (user
consent required).

* Tech support hours will be posted on Twitter (for the most part).

* If you don't have Skype, the developer is willing to meet you via
TeamTalk.



Thank you.

Cheers,

joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 1:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Important (please read): Moderator's farewell letter: ask
not what this mailing list can do for you, ask the other way around

Dear members of the NVDA international users list, NVDA community, NVDA
users, developers, supporters and others:



For the past three years, from the moment Nimer Jaber, our head moderator
welcomed me into the ranks of list moderators until now, I always thought
about what we can do to make this place a welcoming lounge for many people
from all walks of life. Through these years, I wrote many add-ons, produced
tutorials, arbitrated in various cases, organized first NVDACon series,
learned a great deal from you all and made many mistakes. As I step down
from the moderator's podium and welcome another to this podium, I do not
regret my moderator days. I hope that Gene Asner, the one chosen to take my
place, will be an understanding moderator as he assists nimer in running
this community.



As I step down from this position, I'd like to request that you please
listen to a plea from a fellow member of this list:



You all are diplomats of NonVisual Desktop Access. As a representative of a
movement, your words, actions and posts will decide the reputation of NVDA
screen reader. Do not say to yourselves, "this is a mailing list for users
only". This mailing list is just one part of an archive of public
information available on NVDA. As such, please be careful in word choice,
how you respond and so on, as list archive is visible to everyone around the
world.



Understand those who disagrees with you. We live in a world where cultures
clash, ideas battle each other, and conflicts abound. What would be use of a
mailing list if we form cliques due to disagreements? This is more so on a
product support forum where we have people from diverse backgrounds,
different needs, different settings, varying levels of NVDA know-how and so
on. Please be understanding when someone disagrees with you, as it is better
to see people working together than groups being destroyed due to flame wars
and so forth.



Lastly, if there is one advice I'd like to pass on, it would be a quote from
a former president of the United States: ask not what your country can do
for you, ask what you can do for your country. I would change that quote to
something like this: as a member of the NVDA community, ask not what NVDA,
NV Access, other members and supporters can do for you; rather, ask what you
can do for this community, to promote NVDA, make NVDA mailing list a
welcoming place for all and to serve this community. For moderators, to ask
what we can do to serve members, including those who disagree with us.



As of this moment, I hereby declare that all moderation privileges I had
will pass onto Gene Asner. As a member of this list, I'll do my best to
follow our new moderator's wishes and obey the rules of this list. Stepping
away from moderator's podium does not mean I'll leave this community -
whatever new role I'm assigned to, I'll do my best to carry out my duties as
a member of this community.



Thank you. To Gene, good luck, and to Nimer, it was a wonderful experience
serving as a moderator under your leadership for the past three years.



Audio version of this letter (entitled "Farewell Address to NVDA mailing
list") can be found at:

http://www.nvda-kr.org/files/nvdamsgs/Moderator%20Farewell%20Address%20(Jose
ph%20Lee).mp3





Sincerely,

Joseph S. Lee

Student (Communication Studies), Los Angeles City College

Former student (computer science), University of California, Riverside

Translator, code contributor and community add-ons reviewer, NVDA screen
reader project

Former moderator, NVDA International Users List

Immediate past chair and organizing advisor, NVDA Users and Developers
Conference International

Chair, NVDA Tenth Anniversary Planning Committee

Chair, NVDACon Korea

Head list representative, Win10 Forum for Screen Reader Users

On 5/31/16, Jacob Kruger <jacob@blindza.co.za> wrote:

Yes.

I use audacity quite often - even if not in necessarily too advanced a way,

and NVDA works fine for me.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rayette Rucker" <rayette.rucker23@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 31 May, 2016 9:01 PM
Subject: [nvda] audacity

Does Audacity work with NVDA?

On 1 June 2016 at 04:05, Arlene <nedster66@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi list. How does one find a certain message on the gmail site? When I go
there. I just delete all the ones on the server. I have gmail connected to
my outlook. Disregard the last message I sent.

On 6/1/2016 1:54 AM, Chris Shook wrote:

Hi,
Wasn't NVDA 2016.2 going to be released this week? Were any major bugs reported in the release candidate? I haven't heard of any and was curious?
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: May-31-16 10:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and real mornitor showing

Speech viewer is your friend. I think this might help you out. Turn it
on in NVDA's preferences.


On 6/1/2016 12:01 AM, aikeo koomanivong wrote:

Dear all again I’m keo from LAO
Sometime I’m using computer and NVDA has spoken but when sighted
person looking my monitor it’s not match it very hard to tell sighted
person when sometime might to teaching some software for sighted
person
When the sighted person teaching a computer they using mouse for
pointing somewhere
So if we are the blind people can we do like this with nvda such as I
want to tell them go to save as menu and I want to point the mouse on
this could we do like this?
I can teaching them on another ways if I teach them in the class
So I’m working at the national university of LAO and I’ll make
handbook to create braille book maker by using DBT wind for my team.
All of them are sighted person and I’ll make handbook and
Take a screen by using print screen keyboard
Thank you in advance

On 6/1/2016 12:01 AM, aikeo koomanivong wrote:

Dear all again I’m keo from LAO
Sometime I’m using computer and NVDA has spoken but when sighted
person looking my monitor it’s not match it very hard to tell sighted
person when sometime might to teaching some software for sighted
person
When the sighted person teaching a computer they using mouse for
pointing somewhere
So if we are the blind people can we do like this with nvda such as I
want to tell them go to save as menu and I want to point the mouse on
this could we do like this?
I can teaching them on another ways if I teach them in the class
So I’m working at the national university of LAO and I’ll make
handbook to create braille book maker by using DBT wind for my team.
All of them are sighted person and I’ll make handbook and
Take a screen by using print screen keyboard
Thank you in advance

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: May-31-16 2:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

I have noticed this do it when working on something and opening a program.
Wait and it will go.
Its most like a background program thats using the engine or something
bt sync tends to use a lot of resources eventhough its only the old v1.
If dropbox chooses that time to synk then nvda will lock and other
programs to but wait a minute or so and up it come.
The system is not going to be bad for me if I only have firefox open,
but some websites have bad scripts and or misbehaved code.
Firefox will try its darndest to load the pithy thing but it may not and
either crash or warn the user.
Not much we can do about this shite.
Its just the net.



On 1/06/2016 7:23 a.m., Jacob Kruger wrote:

Shaun, primary issue is NVDA locking up/going silent.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 31 May, 2016 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with

firefox

Yes, sometimes firefox just takes ages to load and sometimes if you
load things up in quick succession it will crash and die.
Other times it will just run.
In between all this instability, it is actually still a stable product.
Now if it goes really bad, I am not sure what I will do, its got a
good extention security and other things in its favor and I really
don't want to scrap it.



On 31/05/2016 11:55 p.m., Jacob Kruger wrote:

Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you
couldn't install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded
firefox to 46, and this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both
seemed to be locking up at times, while working in firefox, with
various sites' content.

Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA
wre interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.

Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in
case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but,
thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?

And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away
from firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny
enough what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using
windows key + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.

Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA +
F1 right after NVDA starts speaking again?

Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid
of this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job
is as a web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time
testing/trying out various bits of my own code output in a browser,
and firefox is my favourite for that part of it thus far, although I
do, at times use both google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on
it's own way too often to be any form of feasible alternative, but,
that's probably due to it not really being meant to be used under
windows 10 as such?

TIA

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

.