Date   

Re: Vocaliser for NVDA

Life My Way
 

will there be an upgrade cost to the new vocalizer?

On 5/31/2016 6:59 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello!

We hope it will be released this month.

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Isaac
Data: terça-feira, 31 de maio de 2016 17:32
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Vocaliser for NVDA


speaking of vocalizer when is the new version coming out?

----- Original Message -----
From: Rui Fontes
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Vocaliser for NVDA


Hello!



Have you created and activated your account on ourweb page?

Have you activated the license on NVDA/Vocalizer Expressive menu?



Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.



De: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Em nome de
babcockldpvi@gmail.com
Enviada: terça-feira, 31 de maio de 2016 16:20
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: [nvda] Vocaliser for NVDA



Hello:

I have bought a license for the Vocaliser voices but when I try and install
the driver (version 3.0.12) I get an error message when I try to install it
via the Preferences and synthesizer settings. It simply says that it could
not load the Vocaliser synthesizer.

My laptop is running Windows 10 and the version of NVDA that I am running is
2016.1

I have tried uninstalling and re installing the driver and uninstalling and
re installing NVDA itself but with no luck.

Can anyone suggest any solutions.

Teflonica (the company who make the voices) have not been particularly
helpful...

Thanks











Re: Vocaliser for NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

We hope it will be released this month.

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Isaac
Data: tera-feira, 31 de maio de 2016 17:32
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Vocaliser for NVDA


speaking of vocalizer when is the new version coming out?

----- Original Message -----
From: Rui Fontes
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Vocaliser for NVDA


Hello!



Have you created and activated your account on ourweb page?

Have you activated the license on NVDA/Vocalizer Expressive menu?



Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.



De: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Em nome de
babcockldpvi@gmail.com
Enviada: tera-feira, 31 de maio de 2016 16:20
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: [nvda] Vocaliser for NVDA



Hello:

I have bought a license for the Vocaliser voices but when I try and install
the driver (version 3.0.12) I get an error message when I try to install it
via the Preferences and synthesizer settings. It simply says that it could
not load the Vocaliser synthesizer.

My laptop is running Windows 10 and the version of NVDA that I am running is
2016.1

I have tried uninstalling and re installing the driver and uninstalling and
re installing NVDA itself but with no luck.

Can anyone suggest any solutions.

Teflonica (the company who make the voices) have not been particularly
helpful...

Thanks


Text out delay

Igor Kaplan
 

Hi all,

 

  I am using the NVDA to ssh to the remote linux machine.

The remote server connection is little slow, so NVDA speaks faster then I would like to.

  For example, while using arrow keys to move up and down, the line is spoken before actually cursor moves to next or prior line.

  My question, is there any way to make nvda to delay before speaking, like the text out delay in Jaws or window-eyes? Is there any add-on? I don’t think, there is the setting in NVDA itself, I believe, I checked everything.

 

  I am sure, it would be possible to write the script, which will delay the speech while moving cursor keys, before trying to do so I would like to check, if something like this already exists.

 

  Thanks so much for any information.

 

  -Igor.

 


Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Jacob Kruger
 

Problem with IE is that on this windows 10 machine, it has been crashing on/off, all by itself for a little while - most likely some or other service pack, or OS update made it 'unhappy', and that's why have hardly ever been trying to use it for a while now.
 
Don't really remember it having much of the same speech-freezing effect on NVDA, but, last time really used it consistently was a couple of months ago.
 
I do also use google chrome at times, but, just prefer firefox over it most of the time, and part of that issue is if I keep on retyping in address bar, it's inconsistent when it comes to trying to focus on page contents.
 
Also, as a web developer, parts of firefox work better for me when playing around with web content source code, javascript, etc., but, that's primary since haven't really been much of a chrome user at all up until now.
 
Also, the reason I specifically upgraded to firefox 46 was since this was starting to re-occur in firefox 43 recently.
 
Like said, don't think it's an issue with NVDA itself, but, some or other combination of things that's started happening recently.
 
And, since I often enough install, uninstall, reinstall various other bits of software, I generally also reload my operating systems from scratch roundabout every 6 months or so, just because, so might consider that in the not too distant future as well, in case, but, would still like to know what's causing something like this, just in case.
 
Am also trying a couple of other clean-up fixes, but, will only mention them later on if they seem to make a noticeable difference.
 
Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: 31 May, 2016 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

It may be a virtual buffer overload.  If it is, the question is whether that is the fault of NVDA or Firefox?
 
I suspect this kind of obscure problem is one where you won't get meaningful help other than the sort of work arounds I'm suggesting below. 
 
I would suggest testing with Internet Explorer to see if the problem persists.  If the problem doesn't persist, you may have, at least temporarily, to use Internet Explorer or Chrome.  If the problem doesn't persist when using Internet Explorer, that implies that the problem is either Firefox or the combination of NVDA and Firefox.  It would take more experimentation to try to determine that. 
 
It appears that you are saying that this problem didn't occur when you used Firefox 43.  That makes me suspicious that the problem is with Firefox.  But that's just a suspicion.
 
I just realized that you may also be able to work around the problem by using the ESR Extended Release version of Firefox.  That version remains the same for about a year as I recall but receives security patches when the standard version does.  If it is using an older version such as 43 and if the next update is awhile off, that may solve your problem while allowing you to receive security updates for a time.  And when the ESR receives a full upgrade, by that time, Firefox might have solved the probem.
 
Gene
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Gene, again, primary issue is NVDA going silent, and refusing to respond, even if I alt+tab to another window, for a while at least.
 
In other words, almost seems like it's experiencing a form of overload populating it's virtual buffer/document review version, or something.
 
I was not blaming NVDA as such, but, just trying to figure out what could be causing this combination of a form of silence, and was wondering why it seemed almost like firing up windows narrator un-froze everything, but anyway.
 
Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: 31 May, 2016 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

At this point, you haven't done anything to determine whether the problem is with NVDA or Firefox.  Of course, you can try running Firefox with various add ons disabled in NVDA but I would think the best first test would be to use a different screen-reader, such as a JAWS demo with Firefox.  The newer versions of Firefox may have problems and experimenting with disabling add ons may just waist time if they aren't the problem. 
 
I've seen complaints about the new versions of Firefox here for a number of weeks.  I haven't seen a lot, but I've seen them. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
> Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.
>
> Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.
>
> Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but, thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?
>
> And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.
>
> Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1 right after NVDA starts speaking again?
>
> Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?
>
> TIA
>
> Jacob Kruger
> Blind Biker
> Skype: BlindZA
> "Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"
>



Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Gene
 

I wouldn't make any of those assumptions.  First, the context.  The original message either stated or implied that this problem did not occur with version 43.  Second, you don't know what programs are on the other machine nor what the technical specifications of the machine are.  It isn't just the Internet.  Many people either don't have this problems or not much.  There are various work arounds that may solve this problem.  Your message implies that nothing can be done and that is not demonstrated in part because you have made a lot of questionable generalizations from one machine. 
 
I would think another speculation about what might be causing the problem is the way Firefox 46 renders JAVA scripts.  I'm not sayint this is the case, I'm speculating.  If it is not rendering JAVA scripts as previously, that may cause a conflict with NVDA and cause slow performance or perhaps the screen-reader to stp functioning. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

I have noticed this do it when working on something and opening a program.
Wait and it will go.
Its most like a background program thats using the engine or something
bt sync tends to use a lot of resources eventhough its only the old v1.
If dropbox chooses that time to synk then nvda will lock and other
programs to but wait a minute or so and up it come.
The system is not going to be bad for me if I only have firefox open,
but some websites have bad scripts and or misbehaved code.
Firefox will try its darndest to load the pithy thing but it may not and
either crash or warn the user.
Not much we can do about this shite.
Its just the net.



On 1/06/2016 7:23 a.m., Jacob Kruger wrote:
> Shaun, primary issue is NVDA locking up/going silent.
>
> Stay well
>
> Jacob Kruger
> Blind Biker
> Skype: BlindZA
> "Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: 31 May, 2016 9:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox
>
>
>> Yes, sometimes firefox just takes ages to load and sometimes if you
>> load things up in quick succession it will crash and die.
>> Other times it will just run.
>> In between all this instability, it is actually still a stable product.
>> Now if it goes really bad, I am not sure what I will do, its got a
>> good extention security and other things in its favor and I really
>> don't want to scrap it.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 31/05/2016 11:55 p.m., Jacob Kruger wrote:
>>> Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you
>>> couldn't install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded
>>> firefox to 46, and this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both
>>> seemed to be locking up at times, while working in firefox, with
>>> various sites' content.
>>>
>>> Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA
>>> wre interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.
>>>
>>> Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in
>>> case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but,
>>> thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?
>>>
>>> And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away
>>> from firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny
>>> enough what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using
>>> windows key + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.
>>>
>>> Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA +
>>> F1 right after NVDA starts speaking again?
>>>
>>> Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid
>>> of this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job
>>> is as a web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time
>>> testing/trying out various bits of my own code output in a browser,
>>> and firefox is my favourite for that part of it thus far, although I
>>> do, at times use both google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on
>>> it's own way too often to be any form of feasible alternative, but,
>>> that's probably due to it not really being meant to be used under
>>> windows 10 as such?
>>>
>>> TIA
>>>
>>> Jacob Kruger
>>> Blind Biker
>>> Skype: BlindZA
>>> "Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> .
>



Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

 

If its a plugin crash or a script error its the website in question.
Firefox has been a bit unstable not closing right etc but it could be the brouser, the addons and or the site in question as well.
I have had nvda lock while dropbox is synking if I just happen to load notepad while dropbox is starting for those 10 seconds it is.
On firefox it depends on how it wants to play ball but its usually ok.
I have had it where nvda sometimes reacts to fast.
Ie a program is not loading then the program says its not responding and to restart the computer.
I ignore it and it usually comes back.
I have also had issues with some external drives and devices asking to reformat whenever things come up or that they are not ready but if I leave them and try again they are and sometimes if I leave things closed and wait for them to respond rather than hitting keys to fast they are fine.
The same happens on startup.
My theory is that sometimes nvda loads last and sometimes first when everything is still half loaded.
I have had issues with the security of a system where it would say you are not protected, or have a virus and need to reload the os and reformat only to have it go away after a minute or 2 and I can only sermise that nvda tried to read things when in an unready state especially at startup.
Then again if you leave things for a bit it may load just fine.

On 1/06/2016 9:34 a.m., Gene wrote:
It may be a virtual buffer overload. If it is, the question is whether that is the fault of NVDA or Firefox?

I suspect this kind of obscure problem is one where you won't get meaningful help other than the sort of work arounds I'm suggesting below.

I would suggest testing with Internet Explorer to see if the problem persists. If the problem doesn't persist, you may have, at least temporarily, to use Internet Explorer or Chrome. If the problem doesn't persist when using Internet Explorer, that implies that the problem is either Firefox or the combination of NVDA and Firefox. It would take more experimentation to try to determine that.

It appears that you are saying that this problem didn't occur when you used Firefox 43. That makes me suspicious that the problem is with Firefox. But that's just a suspicion.

I just realized that you may also be able to work around the problem by using the ESR Extended Release version of Firefox. That version remains the same for about a year as I recall but receives security patches when the standard version does. If it is using an older version such as 43 and if the next update is awhile off, that may solve your problem while allowing you to receive security updates for a time. And when the ESR receives a full upgrade, by that time, Firefox might have solved the probem.

Gene
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Jacob Kruger
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 3:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox


Gene, again, primary issue is NVDA going silent, and refusing to respond, even if I alt+tab to another window, for a while at least.

In other words, almost seems like it's experiencing a form of overload populating it's virtual buffer/document review version, or something.

I was not blaming NVDA as such, but, just trying to figure out what could be causing this combination of a form of silence, and was wondering why it seemed almost like firing up windows narrator un-froze everything, but anyway.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: 31 May, 2016 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox


At this point, you haven't done anything to determine whether the problem is with NVDA or Firefox. Of course, you can try running Firefox with various add ons disabled in NVDA but I would think the best first test would be to use a different screen-reader, such as a JAWS demo with Firefox. The newer versions of Firefox may have problems and experimenting with disabling add ons may just waist time if they aren't the problem.

I've seen complaints about the new versions of Firefox here for a number of weeks. I haven't seen a lot, but I've seen them.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

> Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.
>
> Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.
>
> Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but, thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?
>
> And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.
>
> Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1 right after NVDA starts speaking again?
>
> Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?
>
> TIA
>
> Jacob Kruger
> Blind Biker
> Skype: BlindZA
> "Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"
>




Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

 

I agree, firefox is not as stable as it once was but the net well and if I have extra stuff running which I try not to but you never know what windows chooses to run.

On 1/06/2016 8:13 a.m., Gene wrote:
How do you know its NVDA? There are conditions where programs may do things that cause speech to stop temporarily and the fault is the program, not NVDA. It may or may not be useful to test with a different screen-reader but we can't assume the problem is an NVDA problem or a Firefox problem. and since crashes are evidently not occurring, there may not be any information available in diagnostic utilities. I don't know what sort of Firefox logs there may be.
But Windows has a reliabillity history utility that may tell you something.

Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Jacob Kruger
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox


Shaun, primary issue is NVDA locking up/going silent.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 31 May, 2016 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox


Yes, sometimes firefox just takes ages to load and sometimes if you load
things up in quick succession it will crash and die.
Other times it will just run.
In between all this instability, it is actually still a stable product.
Now if it goes really bad, I am not sure what I will do, its got a good
extention security and other things in its favor and I really don't want
to scrap it.



On 31/05/2016 11:55 p.m., Jacob Kruger wrote:
Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't
install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and
this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at
times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.

Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre
interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.

Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in
case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but,
thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?

And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from
firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough
what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key
+ enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.

Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1
right after NVDA starts speaking again?

Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of
this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a
web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out
various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my
favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both
google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be
any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not
really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?

TIA

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"





Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

 

I have noticed this do it when working on something and opening a program.
Wait and it will go.
Its most like a background program thats using the engine or something bt sync tends to use a lot of resources eventhough its only the old v1.
If dropbox chooses that time to synk then nvda will lock and other programs to but wait a minute or so and up it come.
The system is not going to be bad for me if I only have firefox open, but some websites have bad scripts and or misbehaved code.
Firefox will try its darndest to load the pithy thing but it may not and either crash or warn the user.
Not much we can do about this shite.
Its just the net.

On 1/06/2016 7:23 a.m., Jacob Kruger wrote:
Shaun, primary issue is NVDA locking up/going silent.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 31 May, 2016 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox


Yes, sometimes firefox just takes ages to load and sometimes if you
load things up in quick succession it will crash and die.
Other times it will just run.
In between all this instability, it is actually still a stable product.
Now if it goes really bad, I am not sure what I will do, its got a
good extention security and other things in its favor and I really
don't want to scrap it.



On 31/05/2016 11:55 p.m., Jacob Kruger wrote:
Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you
couldn't install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded
firefox to 46, and this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both
seemed to be locking up at times, while working in firefox, with
various sites' content.

Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA
wre interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.

Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in
case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but,
thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?

And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away
from firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny
enough what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using
windows key + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.

Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA +
F1 right after NVDA starts speaking again?

Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid
of this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job
is as a web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time
testing/trying out various bits of my own code output in a browser,
and firefox is my favourite for that part of it thus far, although I
do, at times use both google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on
it's own way too often to be any form of feasible alternative, but,
that's probably due to it not really being meant to be used under
windows 10 as such?

TIA

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"




.


Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with Firefox

 

Sometimes flash will crash but only on certain sites.
Some stage down the road, flash is supposed to be not needed anymore as mozilla does what google does and incorperate its own flash engine but thats not happened yet.
Some sites crash or not respond the plugin and those sites can not be used however youtube where I use flash mostly maybe its html5 now works fine enough.

On 1/06/2016 9:27 a.m., Pascal Lambert wrote:
Hi,

In my case it is Flash Player that I am having problems with when using
Firefox. The message is "irresponsive plugin" then I have to restart the
computer because Firefox refuses to close. Anyone with a suggested solution
is greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Blessings

Pascal



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 5:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox



How do you know its NVDA? There are conditions where programs may do things
that cause speech to stop temporarily and the fault is the program, not
NVDA. It may or may not be useful to test with a different screen-reader
but we can't assume the problem is an NVDA problem or a Firefox problem.
and since crashes are evidently not occurring, there may not be any
information available in diagnostic utilities. I don't know what sort of
Firefox logs there may be.

But Windows has a reliabillity history utility that may tell you something.



Gene

----- Original Message -----



From: Jacob Kruger <mailto:jacob@blindza.co.za>

Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:23 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox



Shaun, primary issue is NVDA locking up/going silent.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com <mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com> >
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
Sent: 31 May, 2016 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox


Yes, sometimes firefox just takes ages to load and sometimes if you load
things up in quick succession it will crash and die.
Other times it will just run.
In between all this instability, it is actually still a stable product.
Now if it goes really bad, I am not sure what I will do, its got a good
extention security and other things in its favor and I really don't want
to scrap it.



On 31/05/2016 11:55 p.m., Jacob Kruger wrote:
Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't
install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and
this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at
times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.

Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre
interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.

Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in
case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but,
thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?

And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from
firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough
what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key
+ enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.

Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1
right after NVDA starts speaking again?

Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of
this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a
web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out
various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my
favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both
google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be
any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not
really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?

TIA

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"








Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Gene
 

It may be a virtual buffer overload.  If it is, the question is whether that is the fault of NVDA or Firefox?
 
I suspect this kind of obscure problem is one where you won't get meaningful help other than the sort of work arounds I'm suggesting below. 
 
I would suggest testing with Internet Explorer to see if the problem persists.  If the problem doesn't persist, you may have, at least temporarily, to use Internet Explorer or Chrome.  If the problem doesn't persist when using Internet Explorer, that implies that the problem is either Firefox or the combination of NVDA and Firefox.  It would take more experimentation to try to determine that. 
 
It appears that you are saying that this problem didn't occur when you used Firefox 43.  That makes me suspicious that the problem is with Firefox.  But that's just a suspicion.
 
I just realized that you may also be able to work around the problem by using the ESR Extended Release version of Firefox.  That version remains the same for about a year as I recall but receives security patches when the standard version does.  If it is using an older version such as 43 and if the next update is awhile off, that may solve your problem while allowing you to receive security updates for a time.  And when the ESR receives a full upgrade, by that time, Firefox might have solved the probem.
 
Gene
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Gene, again, primary issue is NVDA going silent, and refusing to respond, even if I alt+tab to another window, for a while at least.
 
In other words, almost seems like it's experiencing a form of overload populating it's virtual buffer/document review version, or something.
 
I was not blaming NVDA as such, but, just trying to figure out what could be causing this combination of a form of silence, and was wondering why it seemed almost like firing up windows narrator un-froze everything, but anyway.
 
Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: 31 May, 2016 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

At this point, you haven't done anything to determine whether the problem is with NVDA or Firefox.  Of course, you can try running Firefox with various add ons disabled in NVDA but I would think the best first test would be to use a different screen-reader, such as a JAWS demo with Firefox.  The newer versions of Firefox may have problems and experimenting with disabling add ons may just waist time if they aren't the problem. 
 
I've seen complaints about the new versions of Firefox here for a number of weeks.  I haven't seen a lot, but I've seen them. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
> Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.
>
> Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.
>
> Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but, thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?
>
> And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.
>
> Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1 right after NVDA starts speaking again?
>
> Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?
>
> TIA
>
> Jacob Kruger
> Blind Biker
> Skype: BlindZA
> "Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"
>



Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with Firefox

Pascal Lambert
 

Hi,

In my case it is Flash Player that I am having problems with when using Firefox.  The message is “irresponsive plugin” then I have to restart the computer because Firefox refuses to close.  Anyone with a suggested solution is greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Blessings

Pascal  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 5:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

 

How do you know its NVDA?  There are conditions where programs may do things that cause speech to stop temporarily and the fault is the program, not NVDA.  It may or may not be useful to test with a different screen-reader but we can't assume the problem is an NVDA problem or a Firefox problem.  and since crashes are evidently not occurring, there may not be any information available in diagnostic utilities.  I don't know what sort of Firefox logs there may be.

But Windows has a reliabillity history utility that may tell you something.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:23 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

 

Shaun, primary issue is NVDA locking up/going silent.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 31 May, 2016 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox


> Yes, sometimes firefox just takes ages to load and sometimes if you load
> things up in quick succession it will crash and die.
> Other times it will just run.
> In between all this instability, it is actually still a stable product.
> Now if it goes really bad, I am not sure what I will do, its got a good
> extention security and other things in its favor and I really don't want
> to scrap it.
>
>
>
> On 31/05/2016 11:55 p.m., Jacob Kruger wrote:
>> Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't
>> install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and
>> this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at
>> times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.
>>
>> Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre
>> interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.
>>
>> Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in
>> case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but,
>> thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?
>>
>> And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from
>> firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough
>> what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key
>> + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.
>>
>> Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1
>> right after NVDA starts speaking again?
>>
>> Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of
>> this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a
>> web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out
>> various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my
>> favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both
>> google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be
>> any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not
>> really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Jacob Kruger
>> Blind Biker
>> Skype: BlindZA
>> "Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"
>>
>
>
>
>



Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Gene
 

You appear  not to be seeing the entire subject line.  You may have to change the amount of space allocated for subject lines.  Or if you are reading it when the message is closed, opening the message and reading it may let you read the entire line, or visa versa.  Whatever the case, the subject line reads:
Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

I’m sorry but I had to comment because the subject line is amusing me somewhat.

NVEDA?

 

Sorry, just had to comment.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Wednesday, 1 June 2016 06:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

 

Hi

 

Out of curosity are you getting script errors with web visum? and when that happens does it seem like it is locking up? If this is the case it will come up with a message and your options are usually to either stop the script or let it continue. I usully stop it if it happens and it seems to go ok after that.

 

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 31/05/2016 11:55 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.

 

Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.

 

Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but, thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?

 

And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.

 

Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1 right after NVDA starts speaking again?

 

Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?

 

TIA


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"



-- 
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net


Re: NVDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Jacob Kruger
 

And, yes, my bad - typo in subject line...<smile> - fixed it in this message.

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----
Sent: 31 May, 2016 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Now that is weird. I’ve seen it happen, but still, it’s odd behaviour to be sure.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: Wednesday, 1 June 2016 06:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

 

Gene, again, primary issue is NVDA going silent, and refusing to respond, even if I alt+tab to another window, for a while at least.

 

In other words, almost seems like it's experiencing a form of overload populating it's virtual buffer/document review version, or something.

 

I was not blaming NVDA as such, but, just trying to figure out what could be causing this combination of a form of silence, and was wondering why it seemed almost like firing up windows narrator un-froze everything, but anyway.

 

Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: 31 May, 2016 10:06 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

 

At this point, you haven't done anything to determine whether the problem is with NVDA or Firefox.  Of course, you can try running Firefox with various add ons disabled in NVDA but I would think the best first test would be to use a different screen-reader, such as a JAWS demo with Firefox.  The newer versions of Firefox may have problems and experimenting with disabling add ons may just waist time if they aren't the problem. 

 

I've seen complaints about the new versions of Firefox here for a number of weeks.  I haven't seen a lot, but I've seen them. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

> Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.
>
> Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.
>
> Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but, thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?
>
> And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.
>
> Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1 right after NVDA starts speaking again?
>
> Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?
>
> TIA
>
> Jacob Kruger
> Blind Biker
> Skype: BlindZA
> "Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"
>


Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Jacob Kruger
 

Nope.
 
No notification of any issue with webvisum.
 
Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----
Sent: 31 May, 2016 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Hi


Out of curosity are you getting script errors with web visum? and when that happens does it seem like it is locking up? If this is the case it will come up with a message and your options are usually to either stop the script or let it continue. I usully stop it if it happens and it seems to go ok after that.



Gene nz



On 31/05/2016 11:55 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:
Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.
 
Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.
 
Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but, thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?
 
And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.
 
Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1 right after NVDA starts speaking again?
 
Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?
 
TIA

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

-- 
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net


Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Shaun Oliver
 

Now that is weird. I’ve seen it happen, but still, it’s odd behaviour to be sure.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: Wednesday, 1 June 2016 06:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

 

Gene, again, primary issue is NVDA going silent, and refusing to respond, even if I alt+tab to another window, for a while at least.

 

In other words, almost seems like it's experiencing a form of overload populating it's virtual buffer/document review version, or something.

 

I was not blaming NVDA as such, but, just trying to figure out what could be causing this combination of a form of silence, and was wondering why it seemed almost like firing up windows narrator un-froze everything, but anyway.

 

Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: 31 May, 2016 10:06 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

 

At this point, you haven't done anything to determine whether the problem is with NVDA or Firefox.  Of course, you can try running Firefox with various add ons disabled in NVDA but I would think the best first test would be to use a different screen-reader, such as a JAWS demo with Firefox.  The newer versions of Firefox may have problems and experimenting with disabling add ons may just waist time if they aren't the problem. 

 

I've seen complaints about the new versions of Firefox here for a number of weeks.  I haven't seen a lot, but I've seen them. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

> Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.
>
> Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.
>
> Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but, thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?
>
> And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.
>
> Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1 right after NVDA starts speaking again?
>
> Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?
>
> TIA
>
> Jacob Kruger
> Blind Biker
> Skype: BlindZA
> "Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"
>


Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Jacob Kruger
 

Gene, again, primary issue is NVDA going silent, and refusing to respond, even if I alt+tab to another window, for a while at least.
 
In other words, almost seems like it's experiencing a form of overload populating it's virtual buffer/document review version, or something.
 
I was not blaming NVDA as such, but, just trying to figure out what could be causing this combination of a form of silence, and was wondering why it seemed almost like firing up windows narrator un-froze everything, but anyway.
 
Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: 31 May, 2016 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

At this point, you haven't done anything to determine whether the problem is with NVDA or Firefox.  Of course, you can try running Firefox with various add ons disabled in NVDA but I would think the best first test would be to use a different screen-reader, such as a JAWS demo with Firefox.  The newer versions of Firefox may have problems and experimenting with disabling add ons may just waist time if they aren't the problem. 
 
I've seen complaints about the new versions of Firefox here for a number of weeks.  I haven't seen a lot, but I've seen them. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
> Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.
>
> Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.
>
> Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but, thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?
>
> And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.
>
> Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1 right after NVDA starts speaking again?
>
> Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?
>
> TIA
>
> Jacob Kruger
> Blind Biker
> Skype: BlindZA
> "Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"
>



Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Shaun Oliver
 

I’m sorry but I had to comment because the subject line is amusing me somewhat.

NVEDA?

 

Sorry, just had to comment.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Wednesday, 1 June 2016 06:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

 

Hi

 

Out of curosity are you getting script errors with web visum? and when that happens does it seem like it is locking up? If this is the case it will come up with a message and your options are usually to either stop the script or let it continue. I usully stop it if it happens and it seems to go ok after that.

 

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 31/05/2016 11:55 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.

 

Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.

 

Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but, thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?

 

And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.

 

Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1 right after NVDA starts speaking again?

 

Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?

 

TIA


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"



-- 
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net


Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


Out of curosity are you getting script errors with web visum? and when that happens does it seem like it is locking up? If this is the case it will come up with a message and your options are usually to either stop the script or let it continue. I usully stop it if it happens and it seems to go ok after that.



Gene nz



On 31/05/2016 11:55 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:
Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.
 
Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.
 
Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but, thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?
 
And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.
 
Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1 right after NVDA starts speaking again?
 
Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?
 
TIA

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

-- 
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net


Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Gene
 

How do you know its NVDA?  There are conditions where programs may do things that cause speech to stop temporarily and the fault is the program, not NVDA.  It may or may not be useful to test with a different screen-reader but we can't assume the problem is an NVDA problem or a Firefox problem.  and since crashes are evidently not occurring, there may not be any information available in diagnostic utilities.  I don't know what sort of Firefox logs there may be.
But Windows has a reliabillity history utility that may tell you something.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Shaun, primary issue is NVDA locking up/going silent.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 31 May, 2016 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox


> Yes, sometimes firefox just takes ages to load and sometimes if you load
> things up in quick succession it will crash and die.
> Other times it will just run.
> In between all this instability, it is actually still a stable product.
> Now if it goes really bad, I am not sure what I will do, its got a good
> extention security and other things in its favor and I really don't want
> to scrap it.
>
>
>
> On 31/05/2016 11:55 p.m., Jacob Kruger wrote:
>> Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't
>> install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and
>> this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at
>> times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.
>>
>> Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre
>> interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.
>>
>> Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in
>> case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but,
>> thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?
>>
>> And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from
>> firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough
>> what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key
>> + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.
>>
>> Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1
>> right after NVDA starts speaking again?
>>
>> Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of
>> this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a
>> web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out
>> various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my
>> favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both
>> google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be
>> any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not
>> really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Jacob Kruger
>> Blind Biker
>> Skype: BlindZA
>> "Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"
>>
>
>
>
>




Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Gene
 

At this point, you haven't done anything to determine whether the problem is with NVDA or Firefox.  Of course, you can try running Firefox with various add ons disabled in NVDA but I would think the best first test would be to use a different screen-reader, such as a JAWS demo with Firefox.  The newer versions of Firefox may have problems and experimenting with disabling add ons may just waist time if they aren't the problem. 
 
I've seen complaints about the new versions of Firefox here for a number of weeks.  I haven't seen a lot, but I've seen them. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
> Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.
>
> Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.
>
> Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but, thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?
>
> And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.
>
> Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1 right after NVDA starts speaking again?
>
> Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?
>
> TIA
>
> Jacob Kruger
> Blind Biker
> Skype: BlindZA
> "Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"
>