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Re: java vs java script (was regression with adobe flash

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Where ever you read that java and javascript were made by the same company was incorrect. Javascript was invented by netscape, java was built by sun.

Currently, java is owned by oracle, while javascript is still pretty much an opensource effort. For more information about javascript, you can find a short history of it's beginnings here.

https://www.w3.org/community/webed/wiki/A_Short_History_of_JavaScript



The only thing similar between java and javascript is their names. Nothing else relates them.

On 12/3/2016 7:22 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
thanks so much.
and i read that both java and javascript are for the same company and
for example: hackers can use javascript to completely gain access to
there victims computer and control it completely.
i try to always turn off javascript except for gmail and microsoft site.
in these cases, i turn it on temporarily and after that, deactivate it again.
i am sure that both have security issues and dont use them.

On 12/3/16, Travis Siegel <tsiegel@softcon.com> wrote:
Let me clear something up here. The problems folks were having with
security related browser issues were related to javascript, not java.
Java is not javascript, they're simply two things with similar names.
Java is a programming language that is cross platform, and has very good
security, including java applets that can run in the browser.

On the other hand, javascript is simply a scripting language that runs
inside a browser (very similar to php, only php runs on the server, not
in the browser), that allows the web page to do all kinds of things. In
the case of javascript, with some security exploits, folks were able to
get access to things they weren't supposed to have access to on your
machine. That's why for a while, many sites were recommending turning
off java in your browser. What they meant was to turn off javascript,
but some sites didn't make the distinction, and as a result, java got a
bad rap for something it had nothing at all to do with.

Don't confuse java (the programming language) with javascript (the
scripting language).

Turning off javascript in your browser is going to break a *lot* (and I
mean a lot) of sites, so it's not really recommended, especially since
most of the browsers have been updated to patch the security holes found
in javascript.

Just wanted to clarify this point, since it seems lots of folks are
still java shy, when it had nothing to do with the security exploits
that were reaking so much havoc a couple years ago.


On 12/3/2016 3:18 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi.
i recommend you not to use java and flash for there security problems.
i never dont install and use them and i did not see any problem for this.




Re: java vs java script (was regression with adobe flash

 

thanks so much.
and i read that both java and javascript are for the same company and
for example: hackers can use javascript to completely gain access to
there victims computer and control it completely.
i try to always turn off javascript except for gmail and microsoft site.
in these cases, i turn it on temporarily and after that, deactivate it again.
i am sure that both have security issues and dont use them.

On 12/3/16, Travis Siegel <tsiegel@softcon.com> wrote:
Let me clear something up here. The problems folks were having with
security related browser issues were related to javascript, not java.
Java is not javascript, they're simply two things with similar names.
Java is a programming language that is cross platform, and has very good
security, including java applets that can run in the browser.

On the other hand, javascript is simply a scripting language that runs
inside a browser (very similar to php, only php runs on the server, not
in the browser), that allows the web page to do all kinds of things. In
the case of javascript, with some security exploits, folks were able to
get access to things they weren't supposed to have access to on your
machine. That's why for a while, many sites were recommending turning
off java in your browser. What they meant was to turn off javascript,
but some sites didn't make the distinction, and as a result, java got a
bad rap for something it had nothing at all to do with.

Don't confuse java (the programming language) with javascript (the
scripting language).

Turning off javascript in your browser is going to break a *lot* (and I
mean a lot) of sites, so it's not really recommended, especially since
most of the browsers have been updated to patch the security holes found
in javascript.

Just wanted to clarify this point, since it seems lots of folks are
still java shy, when it had nothing to do with the security exploits
that were reaking so much havoc a couple years ago.


On 12/3/2016 3:18 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi.
i recommend you not to use java and flash for there security problems.
i never dont install and use them and i did not see any problem for this.




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java vs java script (was regression with adobe flash

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Let me clear something up here. The problems folks were having with security related browser issues were related to javascript, not java. Java is not javascript, they're simply two things with similar names. Java is a programming language that is cross platform, and has very good security, including java applets that can run in the browser.

On the other hand, javascript is simply a scripting language that runs inside a browser (very similar to php, only php runs on the server, not in the browser), that allows the web page to do all kinds of things. In the case of javascript, with some security exploits, folks were able to get access to things they weren't supposed to have access to on your machine. That's why for a while, many sites were recommending turning off java in your browser. What they meant was to turn off javascript, but some sites didn't make the distinction, and as a result, java got a bad rap for something it had nothing at all to do with.

Don't confuse java (the programming language) with javascript (the scripting language).

Turning off javascript in your browser is going to break a *lot* (and I mean a lot) of sites, so it's not really recommended, especially since most of the browsers have been updated to patch the security holes found in javascript.

Just wanted to clarify this point, since it seems lots of folks are still java shy, when it had nothing to do with the security exploits that were reaking so much havoc a couple years ago.

On 12/3/2016 3:18 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi.
i recommend you not to use java and flash for there security problems.
i never dont install and use them and i did not see any problem for this.


Re: Firefox Browse & Focus Mode

Sakina
 

Hello Quentin,

In the below help email you mention

there are several topics on this in the Basic Training module for anyone wanting a bit more practice or info).

Please can you give me more info or guidance as I am just a beginner and would appreciate any help.

Thank you to  all who help one another.

With many regards to all

Sakina

 

 

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 11:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Browse & Focus Mode

 

Just to add a bit more info on changing between focus and browse modes:

 

- If you press TAB to move onto a form field (like an edit box), NVDA will automatically switch from Browse to Focus mode.

- If you use the arrows or single letter navigation (eg E for edit box) to get there, NVDA does NOT automatically switch to focus mode (you may not want that edit box but need to get past it to the next one).

 

If you find yourself on a form field in Browse mode, you can press ENTER to go into Focus mode.  Similarly, when in a form field, if you want to go back to Browse mode, press ESCAPE.

 

If you press NVDA+spacebar, then it forces NVDA to change modes (from Browse to Focus or Focus to Browse), and from that point, will stay in whatever mode it has just changed to, until you press NVDA+spacebar to change again or a new web page loads.  This feature is particularly useful when completing a long web form which has many form fields interspersed with text and you don't want it to keep jumping between focus and browse modes.

 

(And yes, there are several topics on this in the Basic Training module for anyone wanting a bit more practice or info).

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 5:29 AM, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:

Hi Brian

In the ‘Browse  Mode’ dialog, if you uncheck the box ‘Audio indication of focus and browse modes’, NVDA says ‘Browse’ or ‘Focus Mode’ instead of using the sounds you described.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 29 November 2016 17:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Browse & Focus Mode

 

I have never had NVDA announce browse versus focus mode verbally, though I imagine it could be a setting.

If I land in a field where the mode automatically changes from browse to focus NVDA plays a sound that is a high-pitched, quick electronic beep paired with a sound somewhat like keyboard key being struck.  If I switch back to browse mode by hitting NVDA+Spacebar the sound is a single alert that sounds a bit like a bell being struck.

I just tested in a couple of Firefox pages and things are behaving as expected with NVDA's default settings.  I don't get those transition sounds from NVDA when I land in an edit box, though, it announces what I've landed in and says "editable" (I think).
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Re: regression with adobe flash

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Chrome works fairly well. I generally have no problems navigating web sites, and getting to the content I need. I did discover yesterday that my credit card site isn't as intuitive as I'd like, but even with that, it's still usable just fine. It's just a matter of knowing that sometimes tab works, and sometimes the arrows work to get you to things, but there's always going to be sites where that's true. Chrome is the only browser I use, and I've had very few issues with it.

On 12/2/2016 11:10 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:

hi,

do you have actual proof of this? Since adobe flash, is the same flash used in chrome, I would asume the same problems exist. Also, chrome had accessibility issues last I remember.


On 12/3/2016 7:06 AM, Gene wrote:
I'm not sure but this is a very good example of why you should use more than one browser. If you use Chrome for sites where you want to use Flash, you will probably have no problem. Flash is built into Chrome so you don't have to install or update it. It updates itself automatically within Chrome.
Gene


Re: weather plus help

Adriano Barbieri
 

Hi Michael,

But why don't you read in the documentation the file "Weather Plus first settings.html?
When you have passed the test, and you want to set a default city, click on the "preset", and then click ok or simply press the return key.

Cheers

Adriano

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Capelle" <mcapelle@charter.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] weather plus help


hey all, i do all the steps ron just said to do, but when i press OK, it does not show my new temporary city.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 4:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] weather plus help


Hi Michael,


The dialogue for this program is a bit confusing.


1. Press insert + N for the NVDA menu.

2. Arrow up/down to preferences.

3. arrow up/down to Weather Plus settings.

4. Choose 'set and manage your cities.'

5. This is where it may be a bit tricky. You are placed in an edit combo box. By default, your preferred city is highlighted. Type in either your friend's zip code or the proper Yahoo code for his city or the city/state where he lives.

6. Then tab once to the test button to make sure it works. Press space bar to test. If it is OK, you should hear a beep. If the information you enter isn't valid, NVDA will tell you that the code is not valid.

7. Now this is a bit weird and I really wish that Adriano (the add on developer) would make different tabs for this, but this is how it works. You either have to tab through all the settings for sound, what is displayed and how it is displayed ETC. or you must shift + tab (back tab) twice to get to the OK button. When you do this and press space bar, you are told that this setting is not the default and will be added as a temporary city. If you wish to change this and make it a default city, then you must enter the Weather Plus settings again to set it as such by highlighting the city and tabbing to the set at default item and pressing space bar and then exiting the dialogue by tabbing/back tabbing to the OK button.


Clear as mud: hey!



On 12/2/2016 7:52 PM, Michael Capelle wrote:
hello, how do i add a city to my weather plus?
i wantto use wausau wi as my preset, but then add my friends city, i did enter it, but it is not saving.
thanks.


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Re: Acapela for NVDA v1.4 released: TTS voice update, new scottish voice and more

Bernd Dorer
 

Hi Paolo,
as I noted before, in Germany there are several persons who are interested in Acapela for NVDA, but haven't the money to purchase Infovox 4. Please include more languages such as German.

Thanks
Bernd

Am 01.12.2016 um 09:22 schrieb Paolo Leva:

Hello David,

Currently we propose Acapela TTS for NVDA to regions where we have little or no distribution of our infovox4 product.

infovox4 includes NVDA but also provides access to the TTS voices via SAPI.

http://www.acapela-group.com/infovox/

Cheers,

Paolo



Re: weather plus help

Michael Capelle <mcapelle@...>
 

hey all, i do all the steps ron just said to do, but when i press OK, it does not show my new temporary city.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 4:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] weather plus help


Hi Michael,


The dialogue for this program is a bit confusing.


1. Press insert + N for the NVDA menu.

2. Arrow up/down to preferences.

3. arrow up/down to Weather Plus settings.

4. Choose 'set and manage your cities.'

5. This is where it may be a bit tricky. You are placed in an edit combo box. By default, your preferred city is highlighted. Type in either your friend's zip code or the proper Yahoo code for his city or the city/state where he lives.

6. Then tab once to the test button to make sure it works. Press space bar to test. If it is OK, you should hear a beep. If the information you enter isn't valid, NVDA will tell you that the code is not valid.

7. Now this is a bit weird and I really wish that Adriano (the add on developer) would make different tabs for this, but this is how it works. You either have to tab through all the settings for sound, what is displayed and how it is displayed ETC. or you must shift + tab (back tab) twice to get to the OK button. When you do this and press space bar, you are told that this setting is not the default and will be added as a temporary city. If you wish to change this and make it a default city, then you must enter the Weather Plus settings again to set it as such by highlighting the city and tabbing to the set at default item and pressing space bar and then exiting the dialogue by tabbing/back tabbing to the OK button.


Clear as mud: hey!



On 12/2/2016 7:52 PM, Michael Capelle wrote:
hello, how do i add a city to my weather plus?
i wantto use wausau wi as my preset, but then add my friends city, i did enter it, but it is not saving.
thanks.


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They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"



Re: weather plus help

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Michael,


The dialogue for this program is a bit confusing.


1. Press insert + N for the NVDA menu.

2. Arrow up/down to preferences.

3. arrow up/down to Weather Plus settings.

4. Choose 'set and manage your cities.'

5. This is where it may be a bit tricky. You are placed in an edit combo box. By default, your preferred city is highlighted. Type in either your friend's zip code or the proper Yahoo code for his city or the city/state where he lives.

6. Then tab once to the test button to make sure it works. Press space bar to test. If it is OK, you should hear a beep. If the information you enter isn't valid, NVDA will tell you that the code is not valid.

7. Now this is a bit weird and I really wish that Adriano (the add on developer) would make different tabs for this, but this is how it works. You either have to tab through all the settings for sound, what is displayed and how it is displayed ETC. or you must shift + tab (back tab) twice to get to the OK button. When you do this and press space bar, you are told that this setting is not the default and will be added as a temporary city. If you wish to change this and make it a default city, then you must enter the Weather Plus settings again to set it as such by highlighting the city and tabbing to the set at default item and pressing space bar and then exiting the dialogue by tabbing/back tabbing to the OK button.


Clear as mud: hey!

On 12/2/2016 7:52 PM, Michael Capelle wrote:
hello, how do i add a city to my weather plus?
i wantto use wausau wi as my preset, but then add my friends city, i did enter it, but it is not saving.
thanks.


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They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: downLoader for playLists

David Moore
 

Hi,

Thanks a lot for the link to download the sound cloud app.

I have never heard of sound cloud before. I just checked it out, and it looks cool. I will check into this and report back on what I think. I learn something from you guys everyday.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Георги Ламбов
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 4:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] downLoader for playLists

 

    Hi people!

 

I remember, somebody has looked for such a tool. Here I've found a

webSite, where is possible to be found such a downLoader too.

 

 

www.9soundclouddownloader.com

 

 

best regards

 

Georgi

 

 

 

 


downLoader for playLists

Георги Ламбов <obichamlegiona@...>
 

Hi people!

I remember, somebody has looked for such a tool. Here I've found a webSite, where is possible to be found such a downLoader too.


www.9soundclouddownloader.com


best regards

Georgi


Re: weather plus help

Adriano Barbieri
 

Hi,

I don't understand the problem.
What do you notification Weather Plus?
Describe exactly what you do step by step please.

Cheers
Adriano

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Capelle" <mcapelle@charter.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 1:52 AM
Subject: [nvda] weather plus help


hello, how do i add a city to my weather plus?
i wantto use wausau wi as my preset, but then add my friends city, i did enter it, but it is not saving.
thanks.


Re: regression with adobe flash

enes sarıbaş
 

hi,

this is not an acceptable solution. Many websites still use flash.

On 12/3/2016 11:18 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi.
i recommend you not to use java and flash for there security problems.
i never dont install and use them and i did not see any problem for this.

On 12/3/16, Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com> wrote:
I think OP wants an answer to their problem. I will try this with Chrome
later, and I apologise for hijacking the thread.


OP is having an issue I had previously that was fixed by "Kill Windowless
Flash", which was a useful script but no longer seems to be working with
current Firefox. NVDA doesn't let you into certain embedded objects if you
don't have this script, instead saying "Embedded Object Unavailable." Is
there a fix for this that doesn't involve the apparently defunct "Kill
Windowless Flash" Greasemonkey script?

On 3/12/2016 4:41 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:

hi,

let me clerify a point. Flash isn't crashing. Rather, nvda is failing to
access the object. A situation directly the fault of nvda.

On 12/3/2016 7:42 AM, Gene wrote:
Proof of what? I think it's likely that Flash would run properly in Chrome
on the machine. I won't have proof unless it is tried. We don't know if
Flash is crashing because Flash is crashing or if Flash is crashing because
of some sort of problem when it is run with Firefox. Chrome isn't perfectly
accessible but it is reasonably so and should serve quite well when used on
sites with flash. Chrome has quirks when working with settings and I'm not
sure if it reads all structures on web pages as well as Firefox but when
used on web pages, it is nearly as accessible, if not as accessible, as
Chrome. And for this very limited use, there may be no need to work with
settings.

Of course, working on why flash is crashing with the browser currently being
used could be investigated on a technical list of blind users or on a site
like Bleeping Computer. It would probably be faster and easier to just try
Chrome.

Gene

From: enes sarıbaş<mailto:enes.saribas@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 10:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash


hi,

do you have actual proof of this? Since adobe flash, is the same flash used
in chrome, I would asume the same problems exist. Also, chrome had
accessibility issues last I remember.

On 12/3/2016 7:06 AM, Gene wrote:
I'm not sure but this is a very good example of why you should use more than
one browser. If you use Chrome for sites where you want to use Flash, you
will probably have no problem. Flash is built into Chrome so you don't have
to install or update it. It updates itself automatically within Chrome.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Sharni-Lee Ward<mailto:sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 9:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash

I haven't been able to use the Adobe Flash plugin for years now. It
always crashes

if I load a page in Firefox that happens to have Flash content. I've
long since given up trying and am just happy that YouTube has an
alternate player.

If anyone could tell me why my flash player isn't working I'd also be
very grateful.
On 3/12/2016 1:56 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
hi,

The kill windowless flash script seems to no longer be working.
Whenever I encounter a flash object, nvda anounces it as unavailable.
Is there anything I can do about this?










Re: Submitting a Bug Report to NVDA Developers at NVAccess #NVDARelease #NVAccess

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I'm sure Jamie at some time wrote an idiots guide to this, but I'm blowed if I can find it now. I have an account and to me the interface is not as intuitive as the trak one used to be, but of course its one of those forms designed for many things for many people and contains bits that are not applicable to what we need to do.
Its very sad that nobody could create a front end that was simple and could auto input into the main database without all the clutter.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 2:59 PM
Subject: [nvda] Submitting a Bug Report to NVDA Developers at NVAccess #NVDARelease #NVAccess


Since the latest release candidate is out, this bears repeating.

NVAccess handles its bug reports using GitHub. If you don't have a GitHub ( http://github.com/ ) account (which is free) you'll have to establish one before filing a bug [issue, in GitHub parlance] report. The actual page you will use to file a new issue is: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues ( https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues ) ( https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues )

I am not the best person to answer questions about the specifics of the bug reporting process, but I'm sure if they get asked here they'll be answered.
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Re: regression with adobe flash

 

i studied many articles and also license agreement of flash and i am
sure that its not secure.

On 12/3/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
Actually there is an issue and has been for some time in Firefox where it
seems at least to nvda, that there is no flash embedded object on a page
such as the bbc I player after answering the question that you have a tv
licence. My feeling on this is that there is something ofdd in Firefox, but

after a few refreshes it can be found.
Isthis the sort of thing you mean?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "enes sarıbaş" <enes.saribas@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 5:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash


hi,

let me clerify a point. Flash isn't crashing. Rather, nvda is failing to
access the object. A situation directly the fault of nvda.


On 12/3/2016 7:42 AM, Gene wrote:
Proof of what? I think it's likely that Flash would run properly in
Chrome on the machine. I won't have proof unless it is tried. We
don't know if Flash is crashing because Flash is crashing or if Flash
is crashing because of some sort of problem when it is run with
Firefox. Chrome isn't perfectly accessible but it is reasonably so
and should serve quite well when used on sites with flash. Chrome has
quirks when working with settings and I'm not sure if it reads all
structures on web pages as well as Firefox but when used on web pages,
it is nearly as accessible, if not as accessible, as Chrome. And for
this very limited use, there may be no need to work with settings.
Of course, working on why flash is crashing with the browser currently
being used could be investigated on a technical list of blind users or
on a site like Bleeping Computer. It would probably be faster and
easier to just try Chrome.
Gene

*From:* enes sarıbaş <mailto:enes.saribas@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Friday, December 02, 2016 10:10 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash

hi,

do you have actual proof of this? Since adobe flash, is the same flash
used in chrome, I would asume the same problems exist. Also, chrome
had accessibility issues last I remember.


On 12/3/2016 7:06 AM, Gene wrote:
I'm not sure but this is a very good example of why you should use
more than one browser. If you use Chrome for sites where you want to
use Flash, you will probably have no problem. Flash is built into
Chrome so you don't have to install or update it. It updates itself
automatically within Chrome.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Sharni-Lee Ward <mailto:sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
*Sent:* Friday, December 02, 2016 9:18 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash

I haven't been able to use the Adobe Flash plugin for years now. It
always crashes

if I load a page in Firefox that happens to have Flash content. I've
long since given up trying and am just happy that YouTube has an
alternate player.

If anyone could tell me why my flash player isn't working I'd also be
very grateful.
On 3/12/2016 1:56 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
hi,

The kill windowless flash script seems to no longer be working.
Whenever I encounter a flash object, nvda anounces it as unavailable.
Is there anything I can do about this?








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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
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Re: looking for a good audio splitter that works with nvda

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Almost any audio editor can do this for you, I use Goldwave, but if you mean automatically and you don't care about where the break occurs in the audio then there are some programs that do this in the list already in this thread.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bobby" <bvinton@optonline.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 3:28 AM
Subject: [nvda] looking for a good audio splitter that works with nvda


Hay I was wondering if any one knows of a good audio splitter because I would like to split audio files such as ogg and mp3 files in to tracks


Re: regression with adobe flash

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Actually there is an issue and has been for some time in Firefox where it seems at least to nvda, that there is no flash embedded object on a page such as the bbc I player after answering the question that you have a tv licence. My feeling on this is that there is something ofdd in Firefox, but after a few refreshes it can be found.
Isthis the sort of thing you mean?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "enes sarıbaş" <enes.saribas@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 5:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash


hi,

let me clerify a point. Flash isn't crashing. Rather, nvda is failing to
access the object. A situation directly the fault of nvda.


On 12/3/2016 7:42 AM, Gene wrote:
Proof of what? I think it's likely that Flash would run properly in
Chrome on the machine. I won't have proof unless it is tried. We
don't know if Flash is crashing because Flash is crashing or if Flash
is crashing because of some sort of problem when it is run with
Firefox. Chrome isn't perfectly accessible but it is reasonably so
and should serve quite well when used on sites with flash. Chrome has
quirks when working with settings and I'm not sure if it reads all
structures on web pages as well as Firefox but when used on web pages,
it is nearly as accessible, if not as accessible, as Chrome. And for
this very limited use, there may be no need to work with settings.
Of course, working on why flash is crashing with the browser currently
being used could be investigated on a technical list of blind users or
on a site like Bleeping Computer. It would probably be faster and
easier to just try Chrome.
Gene

*From:* enes sarıbaş <mailto:enes.saribas@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Friday, December 02, 2016 10:10 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash

hi,

do you have actual proof of this? Since adobe flash, is the same flash
used in chrome, I would asume the same problems exist. Also, chrome
had accessibility issues last I remember.


On 12/3/2016 7:06 AM, Gene wrote:
I'm not sure but this is a very good example of why you should use
more than one browser. If you use Chrome for sites where you want to
use Flash, you will probably have no problem. Flash is built into
Chrome so you don't have to install or update it. It updates itself
automatically within Chrome.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Sharni-Lee Ward <mailto:sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
*Sent:* Friday, December 02, 2016 9:18 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash

I haven't been able to use the Adobe Flash plugin for years now. It
always crashes

if I load a page in Firefox that happens to have Flash content. I've
long since given up trying and am just happy that YouTube has an
alternate player.

If anyone could tell me why my flash player isn't working I'd also be
very grateful.
On 3/12/2016 1:56 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
hi,

The kill windowless flash script seems to no longer be working.
Whenever I encounter a flash object, nvda anounces it as unavailable.
Is there anything I can do about this?






Re: regression with adobe flash

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The problem with not using Java seems to be that sites like those which have radio s you can tune on them do seem to rely a lot on Java. I see no reason why they do of course, but one has to use sites as they are.As for flash. I believe that the latest flash plug in is no less safe than other code, given the recent issues in firefox itself. I guess I'm just pragmatic about things. if you are the first one to get something nasty through a piece of code then you are unlucky, but if you go around the web just cliking without thinking, then you deserve to catch some malware, sooner or later.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash


hi.
i recommend you not to use java and flash for there security problems.
i never dont install and use them and i did not see any problem for this.

On 12/3/16, Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com> wrote:
I think OP wants an answer to their problem. I will try this with Chrome
later, and I apologise for hijacking the thread.


OP is having an issue I had previously that was fixed by "Kill Windowless
Flash", which was a useful script but no longer seems to be working with
current Firefox. NVDA doesn't let you into certain embedded objects if you
don't have this script, instead saying "Embedded Object Unavailable." Is
there a fix for this that doesn't involve the apparently defunct "Kill
Windowless Flash" Greasemonkey script?

On 3/12/2016 4:41 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:

hi,

let me clerify a point. Flash isn't crashing. Rather, nvda is failing to
access the object. A situation directly the fault of nvda.

On 12/3/2016 7:42 AM, Gene wrote:
Proof of what? I think it's likely that Flash would run properly in Chrome
on the machine. I won't have proof unless it is tried. We don't know if
Flash is crashing because Flash is crashing or if Flash is crashing because
of some sort of problem when it is run with Firefox. Chrome isn't perfectly
accessible but it is reasonably so and should serve quite well when used on
sites with flash. Chrome has quirks when working with settings and I'm not
sure if it reads all structures on web pages as well as Firefox but when
used on web pages, it is nearly as accessible, if not as accessible, as
Chrome. And for this very limited use, there may be no need to work with
settings.

Of course, working on why flash is crashing with the browser currently being
used could be investigated on a technical list of blind users or on a site
like Bleeping Computer. It would probably be faster and easier to just try
Chrome.

Gene

From: enes sarıbaş<mailto:enes.saribas@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 10:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash


hi,

do you have actual proof of this? Since adobe flash, is the same flash used
in chrome, I would asume the same problems exist. Also, chrome had
accessibility issues last I remember.

On 12/3/2016 7:06 AM, Gene wrote:
I'm not sure but this is a very good example of why you should use more than
one browser. If you use Chrome for sites where you want to use Flash, you
will probably have no problem. Flash is built into Chrome so you don't have
to install or update it. It updates itself automatically within Chrome.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Sharni-Lee Ward<mailto:sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 9:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash

I haven't been able to use the Adobe Flash plugin for years now. It
always crashes

if I load a page in Firefox that happens to have Flash content. I've
long since given up trying and am just happy that YouTube has an
alternate player.

If anyone could tell me why my flash player isn't working I'd also be
very grateful.
On 3/12/2016 1:56 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
hi,

The kill windowless flash script seems to no longer be working.
Whenever I encounter a flash object, nvda anounces it as unavailable.
Is there anything I can do about this?











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in the very authentic narration is:
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Re: regression with adobe flash

 

hi.
i recommend you not to use java and flash for there security problems.
i never dont install and use them and i did not see any problem for this.

On 12/3/16, Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com> wrote:
I think OP wants an answer to their problem. I will try this with Chrome
later, and I apologise for hijacking the thread.


OP is having an issue I had previously that was fixed by "Kill Windowless
Flash", which was a useful script but no longer seems to be working with
current Firefox. NVDA doesn't let you into certain embedded objects if you
don't have this script, instead saying "Embedded Object Unavailable." Is
there a fix for this that doesn't involve the apparently defunct "Kill
Windowless Flash" Greasemonkey script?

On 3/12/2016 4:41 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:

hi,

let me clerify a point. Flash isn't crashing. Rather, nvda is failing to
access the object. A situation directly the fault of nvda.

On 12/3/2016 7:42 AM, Gene wrote:
Proof of what? I think it's likely that Flash would run properly in Chrome
on the machine. I won't have proof unless it is tried. We don't know if
Flash is crashing because Flash is crashing or if Flash is crashing because
of some sort of problem when it is run with Firefox. Chrome isn't perfectly
accessible but it is reasonably so and should serve quite well when used on
sites with flash. Chrome has quirks when working with settings and I'm not
sure if it reads all structures on web pages as well as Firefox but when
used on web pages, it is nearly as accessible, if not as accessible, as
Chrome. And for this very limited use, there may be no need to work with
settings.

Of course, working on why flash is crashing with the browser currently being
used could be investigated on a technical list of blind users or on a site
like Bleeping Computer. It would probably be faster and easier to just try
Chrome.

Gene

From: enes sarıbaş<mailto:enes.saribas@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 10:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash


hi,

do you have actual proof of this? Since adobe flash, is the same flash used
in chrome, I would asume the same problems exist. Also, chrome had
accessibility issues last I remember.

On 12/3/2016 7:06 AM, Gene wrote:
I'm not sure but this is a very good example of why you should use more than
one browser. If you use Chrome for sites where you want to use Flash, you
will probably have no problem. Flash is built into Chrome so you don't have
to install or update it. It updates itself automatically within Chrome.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Sharni-Lee Ward<mailto:sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 9:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash

I haven't been able to use the Adobe Flash plugin for years now. It
always crashes

if I load a page in Firefox that happens to have Flash content. I've
long since given up trying and am just happy that YouTube has an
alternate player.

If anyone could tell me why my flash player isn't working I'd also be
very grateful.
On 3/12/2016 1:56 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
hi,

The kill windowless flash script seems to no longer be working.
Whenever I encounter a flash object, nvda anounces it as unavailable.
Is there anything I can do about this?










--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: NVDA 2016.4rc1 released

Devin Prater
 

I've tried tried it, nvda doesn't work under wine at all.


On Sat, Dec 3, 2016, 12:49 AM Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Which version of Windows 10 are you using?  If you press the windows key to bring up the start menu, type "winver" and press ENTER, it will give you a dialog with the build number.  While Microsoft mostly try and push people onto the latest build, there are various scenarios where that might not be the case - or of course there are two different insider builds - a "fast ring" and a "slow ring".  Particularly for Windows 10 native apps, that version can be important to know when chasing down bugs.

On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Andre Fisher <andrefisher729@...> wrote:
Whoa! Hold on.
It's better you admit that the Mail app is not working well for you,
rather than spread the news that it's no good with NVDA.
For me, it works extremely well. Good job NV Access.

On 12/2/16, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
> Hi, David,
>
>
>
> I just tried the mail ap again and the same thing happened. I tried typing
> what you suggested and no go. I'm afraid the mail ap doesn't work well with
> NVDA. I'll either use outlook or thunderbird. At least I have those two
> programs to choose from.
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> Rosemarie
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> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
> Moore
> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 3:40 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4rc1 released
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Yes, the win10 apps assentials is a must add on to use many apps with NvDA.
> Rosemarie,
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> Press enter on the windows store, and press ctrl+E and type mail, and you
> can re-install your mail app. Maybe it just needs updated. Go NVDA, and I
> will be back for another report.
>
> David Moore
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>  for Windows
> 10
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> From: Andre Fisher <mailto:andrefisher729@...>
> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 6:29 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4rc1 released
>
>
>
> Hi David.
>
> I love using the Weather app with NVDA! Especially with the Win 10
>
> Essentials add-on installed. I recommend it strongly.
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>
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> On 12/2/16, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...
> <mailto:knitqueen2007@...> > wrote:
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>> Hi, David,
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>> I just tried the mail ap but I got this message saying my account was out
>> of
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>> date. I was thinking of using it but I don't think so now.
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>> Rosemarie
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>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
>
>> Moore
>
>> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 3:02 PM
>
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4rc1 released
>
>>
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>>
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>>
>
>> Hi all,
>
>>
>
>> Thank you so much Quenton for posting this great news. I just found out
>> that
>
>> NVDA 2016.4rc1 makes the weather app and the store more accessible. Also,
>
>> the mail app works much better with NvDA. This is so exciting. I will let
>
>> you know how NVDA now works in many apps.
>
>>
>
>> David Moore
>
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>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>  for
>> Windows
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>> 10
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>> From: Quentin Christensen <mailto:quentin@...>
>
>> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 2:52 AM
>
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>
>> Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4rc1 released
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>>
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>> Hi all,
>
>>
>
>> NVDA 2016.4rc1 has just been released for testing. This is a release
>
>> candidate, which means that unless any critical issues are found, this
>
>> will be identical to the final 2016.4 release.
>
>>
>
>> See this blog post for what's new and a download link:
>
>>  <http://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2016-4rc1-released/>
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>> http://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2016-4rc1-released/
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>> Regards
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>> Quentin.
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>> --
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>>
>
>> Quentin Christensen
>
>> Training Material Developer
>
>>
>
>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
>
>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
>>
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>>
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>>
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>> Ph  <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306> +61 7 3149 3306
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>> Direct: +61 413 904 383
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>>  <http://www.nvaccess.org/> www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
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