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AW: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Eigeldinger Simon <simon.eigeldinger@...>
 

Good idea.
Let's put that topic to rest.

Greetings,
simon


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Von: Bhavya shah [mailto:bhavya.shah125@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 13:14
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Hi all,
Please let us pause this discussion a bit - let us reflect and
appreciate the long way NVDA has steadily traversed through for the
past ten years to become what it is today, and to be capable of making
the impact that it is making.
Once, we only had Sapi support, progressively ESpeak pre-integrated,
and now availability of several commercial high-quality speech
synthesizers as well. Let us cherish this diversity and variety that
we have now access to for usage with NVDA, and respect the continued
contributions that keep coming into NVDA.
Currently, NVDA must use ESpeak, as perhaps, it is the only free and
open source text to speech engine viable. In case anyone is aware of
others, please do bring it up during the Opener Forum User General
Chat session of NVDACon International 2016, and maybe even during the
Keynote Q & A section, so Mick and Jamie are enlightened of the same
and they can make informed choices and synthesizer changes in NVDA for
the future.
For the time being, I would like to sincerely request, as a fellow
list member, that we focus on specifics and factual suggestions rather
than somewhat abstract requests, implicitly this synth chat.
Thanks.

On 4/21/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
You can use almost any synth if there isa driver which is for nvda, and
many have these days. Sapi 5 seems to be catered for as does the microsoft
speech platform, an Sapi 4 as well though not so many good voices there.
Brian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eigeldinger Simon" <simon.eigeldinger@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 11:54 AM
Subject: AW: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH
ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK


Or it's the speaker.
That could also be a possibility.


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Von: Mallard [mailto:mallard@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 12:14
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH
ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

I think Espeak sounds much much better in Android. Why could that be?
Just curious... In fact, it's my superfavourite in Android. I tried
other voices, including Acapela Vittorio (which I have for Voice Dream
Reader), but I don't really like them.


I suppose it's a matter of variant, but I haven't been able to detect
which variant is used in Android, to select it for NvDA also.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 21/04/2016 11:53, Eigeldinger Simon ha scritto:
I guess in nvda 2016.1 they use espeak 1.48.15.
Just the next and i guex the master daily builds have espeak ng.

You find those here:
http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/


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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Christo Vorster [mailto:christo.vorster@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 11:50
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH
ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Hi

What version of ESpeak is currently used with NVDA 2016.1?

How do I get ESpeajk-NG?

Regards

Christo

-----Original Message-----
From: ChrisLeo [mailto:llajta@...]
Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2016 11:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH
ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Yes, I agree, ...and then what?

As far as i know, NVDA just switched from eSpeak to eSpeak-ng on
developed branchs.
Espeak-ng contains improvements for several languages and more languages

than eSpeak.
From gitHub you can watch and send issues on:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng

The R sounds mentioned in another messages for some language is a knoun
issue, from here we are studing for spanish and italian trill R.
Ciao,


Chris.

Mallard, 20/04/2016 22:41:
Doing away with Espeak, and then what?

Compelling people to buy commercial voices?


I think espeak is still the best non-human synth freely available.

I have Vocalizer Expressive, but I only use the Russian and Hebrew
voices.

the Italian voices are awful to say the least. Not the sound, but the
intonation. They all sound foreign, get lots of accents wrong, and
after
a while I just can't stand them anymore.


If there's a viable, free, open source alternative, then ok. If not,
long live Espeak!















--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09


Re: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Bhavya shah
 

Hi all,
Please let us pause this discussion a bit - let us reflect and
appreciate the long way NVDA has steadily traversed through for the
past ten years to become what it is today, and to be capable of making
the impact that it is making.
Once, we only had Sapi support, progressively ESpeak pre-integrated,
and now availability of several commercial high-quality speech
synthesizers as well. Let us cherish this diversity and variety that
we have now access to for usage with NVDA, and respect the continued
contributions that keep coming into NVDA.
Currently, NVDA must use ESpeak, as perhaps, it is the only free and
open source text to speech engine viable. In case anyone is aware of
others, please do bring it up during the Opener Forum User General
Chat session of NVDACon International 2016, and maybe even during the
Keynote Q & A section, so Mick and Jamie are enlightened of the same
and they can make informed choices and synthesizer changes in NVDA for
the future.
For the time being, I would like to sincerely request, as a fellow
list member, that we focus on specifics and factual suggestions rather
than somewhat abstract requests, implicitly this synth chat.
Thanks.

On 4/21/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
You can use almost any synth if there isa driver which is for nvda, and
many have these days. Sapi 5 seems to be catered for as does the microsoft
speech platform, an Sapi 4 as well though not so many good voices there.
Brian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eigeldinger Simon" <simon.eigeldinger@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 11:54 AM
Subject: AW: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH
ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK


Or it's the speaker.
That could also be a possibility.


Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Simon Eigeldinger
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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Mallard [mailto:mallard@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 12:14
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH
ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

I think Espeak sounds much much better in Android. Why could that be?
Just curious... In fact, it's my superfavourite in Android. I tried
other voices, including Acapela Vittorio (which I have for Voice Dream
Reader), but I don't really like them.


I suppose it's a matter of variant, but I haven't been able to detect
which variant is used in Android, to select it for NvDA also.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 21/04/2016 11:53, Eigeldinger Simon ha scritto:
I guess in nvda 2016.1 they use espeak 1.48.15.
Just the next and i guex the master daily builds have espeak ng.

You find those here:
http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/


Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Simon Eigeldinger
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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Christo Vorster [mailto:christo.vorster@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 11:50
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH
ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Hi

What version of ESpeak is currently used with NVDA 2016.1?

How do I get ESpeajk-NG?

Regards

Christo

-----Original Message-----
From: ChrisLeo [mailto:llajta@...]
Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2016 11:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH
ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Yes, I agree, ...and then what?

As far as i know, NVDA just switched from eSpeak to eSpeak-ng on
developed branchs.
Espeak-ng contains improvements for several languages and more languages

than eSpeak.
From gitHub you can watch and send issues on:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng

The R sounds mentioned in another messages for some language is a knoun
issue, from here we are studing for spanish and italian trill R.
Ciao,


Chris.

Mallard, 20/04/2016 22:41:
Doing away with Espeak, and then what?

Compelling people to buy commercial voices?


I think espeak is still the best non-human synth freely available.

I have Vocalizer Expressive, but I only use the Russian and Hebrew
voices.

the Italian voices are awful to say the least. Not the sound, but the
intonation. They all sound foreign, get lots of accents wrong, and
after
a while I just can't stand them anymore.


If there's a viable, free, open source alternative, then ok. If not,
long live Espeak!















--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09


AW: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Eigeldinger Simon <simon.eigeldinger@...>
 

I was talking about the speaker oft he phone.
The hardware pice.
Sorry for the missclarification.


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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Brian's Mail list account [mailto:bglists@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 13:05
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

You can use almost any synth if there isa driver which is for nvda, and many have these days. Sapi 5 seems to be catered for as does the microsoft speech platform, an Sapi 4 as well though not so many good voices there.
Brian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eigeldinger Simon" <simon.eigeldinger@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 11:54 AM
Subject: AW: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK


Or it's the speaker.
That could also be a possibility.


Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Simon Eigeldinger
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-------------------------
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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Mallard [mailto:mallard@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 12:14
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH
ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

I think Espeak sounds much much better in Android. Why could that be?
Just curious... In fact, it's my superfavourite in Android. I tried
other voices, including Acapela Vittorio (which I have for Voice Dream
Reader), but I don't really like them.


I suppose it's a matter of variant, but I haven't been able to detect
which variant is used in Android, to select it for NvDA also.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 21/04/2016 11:53, Eigeldinger Simon ha scritto:
I guess in nvda 2016.1 they use espeak 1.48.15.
Just the next and i guex the master daily builds have espeak ng.

You find those here:
http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/


Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Simon Eigeldinger
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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Christo Vorster [mailto:christo.vorster@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 11:50
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH
ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Hi

What version of ESpeak is currently used with NVDA 2016.1?

How do I get ESpeajk-NG?

Regards

Christo

-----Original Message-----
From: ChrisLeo [mailto:llajta@...]
Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2016 11:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH
ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Yes, I agree, ...and then what?

As far as i know, NVDA just switched from eSpeak to eSpeak-ng on
developed branchs.
Espeak-ng contains improvements for several languages and more
languages than eSpeak.
From gitHub you can watch and send issues on:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng

The R sounds mentioned in another messages for some language is a
knoun issue, from here we are studing for spanish and italian trill R.
Ciao,


Chris.

Mallard, 20/04/2016 22:41:
Doing away with Espeak, and then what?

Compelling people to buy commercial voices?


I think espeak is still the best non-human synth freely available.

I have Vocalizer Expressive, but I only use the Russian and Hebrew
voices.

the Italian voices are awful to say the least. Not the sound, but
the intonation. They all sound foreign, get lots of accents wrong,
and after a while I just can't stand them anymore.


If there's a viable, free, open source alternative, then ok. If not,
long live Espeak!













Re: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

List account Brians <bglists@...>
 

You can use almost any synth if there isa driver which is for nvda, and many have these days. Sapi 5 seems to be catered for as does the microsoft speech platform, an Sapi 4 as well though not so many good voices there.
Brian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eigeldinger Simon" <simon.eigeldinger@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 11:54 AM
Subject: AW: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK


Or it's the speaker.
That could also be a possibility.


Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Simon Eigeldinger
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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Mallard [mailto:mallard@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 12:14
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

I think Espeak sounds much much better in Android. Why could that be?
Just curious... In fact, it's my superfavourite in Android. I tried
other voices, including Acapela Vittorio (which I have for Voice Dream
Reader), but I don't really like them.


I suppose it's a matter of variant, but I haven't been able to detect
which variant is used in Android, to select it for NvDA also.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 21/04/2016 11:53, Eigeldinger Simon ha scritto:
I guess in nvda 2016.1 they use espeak 1.48.15.
Just the next and i guex the master daily builds have espeak ng.

You find those here:
http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/


Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Simon Eigeldinger
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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Christo Vorster [mailto:christo.vorster@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 11:50
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Hi

What version of ESpeak is currently used with NVDA 2016.1?

How do I get ESpeajk-NG?

Regards

Christo

-----Original Message-----
From: ChrisLeo [mailto:llajta@...]
Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2016 11:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Yes, I agree, ...and then what?

As far as i know, NVDA just switched from eSpeak to eSpeak-ng on developed branchs.
Espeak-ng contains improvements for several languages and more languages than eSpeak.
From gitHub you can watch and send issues on:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng

The R sounds mentioned in another messages for some language is a knoun issue, from here we are studing for spanish and italian trill R.
Ciao,


Chris.

Mallard, 20/04/2016 22:41:
Doing away with Espeak, and then what?

Compelling people to buy commercial voices?


I think espeak is still the best non-human synth freely available.

I have Vocalizer Expressive, but I only use the Russian and Hebrew voices.

the Italian voices are awful to say the least. Not the sound, but the
intonation. They all sound foreign, get lots of accents wrong, and after
a while I just can't stand them anymore.


If there's a viable, free, open source alternative, then ok. If not,
long live Espeak!












AW: AW: AW: remote desktop

Eigeldinger Simon <simon.eigeldinger@...>
 

A linux server is best controlled using ssh.
Windows servers normally have a gui as far as i know.


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Von: Luke Scholey [mailto:lukescholey@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 12:21
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [nvda] remote desktop

Is there no other way of controlling a server with nvda?

On 21 Apr 2016, at 08:47, Eigeldinger Simon <simon.eigeldinger@...> wrote:

First you might look that you have a virtual sound card. If not install one.
Then you might need a sighted person.
Then you install nvda with that person.
Then you can install the remote addon.
Then go to tools/remote and go to options.
Enable the auto connect box and enter nvdaremote.com to use the relay server.
Enter a key. This can be numbers or letters or both.
Then you should be able to connect to your system.

To test you install nvda on your client as well.
And the remote addon.
Then open the nvda menu and go to tools/remote and connect.
Then select that you are a client and that you want to remotely control the machine.
Then enter nvdaremote.com as the host and then your key.
Hit ok.
Then you should be connected.
You hear some high beeps.
Hit f11 to send keys and if you want to stop sending keys hit f11 again.





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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Luke Scholey [mailto:lukescholey@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 09:37
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: AW: [nvda] remote desktop

What is the best way of installing nvda on a vps in the first place?
Thanks
Luke

On 21 Apr 2016, at 06:14, Eigeldinger Simon <simon.eigeldinger@...> wrote:

Hi,

I am now working in the IT department of our town.
We started rolling out NVDA on many computers.
With the NVDA Remote add-on it seems to work pretty well.
There are some bugs with the UAC and other secure desktop screens but if you are logged in as a admin and you can get around those screens it works pretty well.
Though those bugs should be addressed.
Need to write some tickets when i have access to github.
Here i don't have access at the moment.

Greetings,
simon



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Von: Luke Scholey [mailto:lukescholey@...]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. April 2016 19:51
An: nvda@groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] remote desktop

Hi all,
I am thinking of getting a VPS or possibly even a dedicated server for
my small business. one of the main ways of connecting to virtual servers
is through remote desktop connection if the server is windows.
My question is, does Microsoft's remote desktop connection work with
NVDA and how well? I want to be able to basically navigate the server as
if I were sat in front of it like normal, is this possible?
Thanks,
Luke





AW: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Eigeldinger Simon <simon.eigeldinger@...>
 

Or it's the speaker.
That could also be a possibility.


Mit freundlichen Grüßen

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Von: Mallard [mailto:mallard@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 12:14
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

I think Espeak sounds much much better in Android. Why could that be?
Just curious... In fact, it's my superfavourite in Android. I tried
other voices, including Acapela Vittorio (which I have for Voice Dream
Reader), but I don't really like them.


I suppose it's a matter of variant, but I haven't been able to detect
which variant is used in Android, to select it for NvDA also.

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 21/04/2016 11:53, Eigeldinger Simon ha scritto:
I guess in nvda 2016.1 they use espeak 1.48.15.
Just the next and i guex the master daily builds have espeak ng.

You find those here:
http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/


Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Simon Eigeldinger
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Von: Christo Vorster [mailto:christo.vorster@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 11:50
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Hi

What version of ESpeak is currently used with NVDA 2016.1?

How do I get ESpeajk-NG?

Regards

Christo

-----Original Message-----
From: ChrisLeo [mailto:llajta@...]
Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2016 11:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Yes, I agree, ...and then what?

As far as i know, NVDA just switched from eSpeak to eSpeak-ng on developed branchs.
Espeak-ng contains improvements for several languages and more languages than eSpeak.
From gitHub you can watch and send issues on:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng

The R sounds mentioned in another messages for some language is a knoun issue, from here we are studing for spanish and italian trill R.
Ciao,


Chris.

Mallard, 20/04/2016 22:41:
Doing away with Espeak, and then what?

Compelling people to buy commercial voices?


I think espeak is still the best non-human synth freely available.

I have Vocalizer Expressive, but I only use the Russian and Hebrew voices.

the Italian voices are awful to say the least. Not the sound, but the
intonation. They all sound foreign, get lots of accents wrong, and after
a while I just can't stand them anymore.


If there's a viable, free, open source alternative, then ok. If not,
long live Espeak!







Re: AW: AW: remote desktop

luke scholey <lukescholey@...>
 

Is there no other way of controlling a server with nvda?

On 21 Apr 2016, at 08:47, Eigeldinger Simon <simon.eigeldinger@...> wrote:

First you might look that you have a virtual sound card. If not install one.
Then you might need a sighted person.
Then you install nvda with that person.
Then you can install the remote addon.
Then go to tools/remote and go to options.
Enable the auto connect box and enter nvdaremote.com to use the relay server.
Enter a key. This can be numbers or letters or both.
Then you should be able to connect to your system.

To test you install nvda on your client as well.
And the remote addon.
Then open the nvda menu and go to tools/remote and connect.
Then select that you are a client and that you want to remotely control the machine.
Then enter nvdaremote.com as the host and then your key.
Hit ok.
Then you should be connected.
You hear some high beeps.
Hit f11 to send keys and if you want to stop sending keys hit f11 again.





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Von: Luke Scholey [mailto:lukescholey@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 09:37
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: AW: [nvda] remote desktop

What is the best way of installing nvda on a vps in the first place?
Thanks
Luke

On 21 Apr 2016, at 06:14, Eigeldinger Simon <simon.eigeldinger@...> wrote:

Hi,

I am now working in the IT department of our town.
We started rolling out NVDA on many computers.
With the NVDA Remote add-on it seems to work pretty well.
There are some bugs with the UAC and other secure desktop screens but if you are logged in as a admin and you can get around those screens it works pretty well.
Though those bugs should be addressed.
Need to write some tickets when i have access to github.
Here i don't have access at the moment.

Greetings,
simon



Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Simon Eigeldinger
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Von: Luke Scholey [mailto:lukescholey@...]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. April 2016 19:51
An: nvda@groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] remote desktop

Hi all,
I am thinking of getting a VPS or possibly even a dedicated server for
my small business. one of the main ways of connecting to virtual servers
is through remote desktop connection if the server is windows.
My question is, does Microsoft's remote desktop connection work with
NVDA and how well? I want to be able to basically navigate the server as
if I were sat in front of it like normal, is this possible?
Thanks,
Luke





Re: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Mallard
 

I think Espeak sounds much much better in Android. Why could that be? Just curious... In fact, it's my superfavourite in Android. I tried other voices, including Acapela Vittorio (which I have for Voice Dream Reader), but I don't really like them.


I suppose it's a matter of variant, but I haven't been able to detect which variant is used in Android, to select it for NvDA also.

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 21/04/2016 11:53, Eigeldinger Simon ha scritto:
I guess in nvda 2016.1 they use espeak 1.48.15.
Just the next and i guex the master daily builds have espeak ng.

You find those here:
http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/


Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Simon Eigeldinger
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Nebengebäude 2, OG1
-------------------------
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6845 Hohenems
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Von: Christo Vorster [mailto:christo.vorster@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 11:50
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Hi

What version of ESpeak is currently used with NVDA 2016.1?

How do I get ESpeajk-NG?

Regards

Christo

-----Original Message-----
From: ChrisLeo [mailto:llajta@...]
Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2016 11:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Yes, I agree, ...and then what?

As far as i know, NVDA just switched from eSpeak to eSpeak-ng on developed branchs.
Espeak-ng contains improvements for several languages and more languages than eSpeak.
From gitHub you can watch and send issues on:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng

The R sounds mentioned in another messages for some language is a knoun issue, from here we are studing for spanish and italian trill R.
Ciao,


Chris.

Mallard, 20/04/2016 22:41:
Doing away with Espeak, and then what?

Compelling people to buy commercial voices?


I think espeak is still the best non-human synth freely available.

I have Vocalizer Expressive, but I only use the Russian and Hebrew voices.

the Italian voices are awful to say the least. Not the sound, but the
intonation. They all sound foreign, get lots of accents wrong, and after
a while I just can't stand them anymore.


If there's a viable, free, open source alternative, then ok. If not,
long live Espeak!






AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Eigeldinger Simon <simon.eigeldinger@...>
 

At the moment there are no sapi or command line version for windows.
Just linux can be compiled.
There can also be compiled some windows version.
Maybe someone with vs 2015 could do that.

Greetings,
simon


Mit freundlichen Grüßen

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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Shaun Everiss [mailto:@smeveriss]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 11:54
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

I have noticed espeak ng is mentioned where does one get compiled sapi/
dll versions for windows and nvda?

The last version was last year some time aparently.

On 21/04/2016 9:48 p.m., Mallard wrote:
Oh, Chris,

I love Espeak's "r"... It's so "posh"... And it sounds a lot like the
"r" of a few of our politicians... lol-rofl!!!

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 21/04/2016 11:26, ChrisLeo ha scritto:
Yes, I agree, ...and then what?

As far as i know, NVDA just switched from eSpeak to eSpeak-ng on
developed branchs.
Espeak-ng contains improvements for several languages and more
languages than eSpeak.
From gitHub you can watch and send issues on:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng

The R sounds mentioned in another messages for some language is a
knoun issue, from here we are studing for spanish and italian trill R.
Ciao,


Chris.

Mallard, 20/04/2016 22:41:
Doing away with Espeak, and then what?

Compelling people to buy commercial voices?


I think espeak is still the best non-human synth freely available.

I have Vocalizer Expressive, but I only use the Russian and Hebrew
voices.

the Italian voices are awful to say the least. Not the sound, but the
intonation. They all sound foreign, get lots of accents wrong, and after
a while I just can't stand them anymore.


If there's a viable, free, open source alternative, then ok. If not,
long live Espeak!






.


Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

 

I have noticed espeak ng is mentioned where does one get compiled sapi/ dll versions for windows and nvda?

The last version was last year some time aparently.

On 21/04/2016 9:48 p.m., Mallard wrote:
Oh, Chris,

I love Espeak's "r"... It's so "posh"... And it sounds a lot like the
"r" of a few of our politicians... lol-rofl!!!

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 21/04/2016 11:26, ChrisLeo ha scritto:
Yes, I agree, ...and then what?

As far as i know, NVDA just switched from eSpeak to eSpeak-ng on
developed branchs.
Espeak-ng contains improvements for several languages and more
languages than eSpeak.
From gitHub you can watch and send issues on:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng

The R sounds mentioned in another messages for some language is a
knoun issue, from here we are studing for spanish and italian trill R.
Ciao,


Chris.

Mallard, 20/04/2016 22:41:
Doing away with Espeak, and then what?

Compelling people to buy commercial voices?


I think espeak is still the best non-human synth freely available.

I have Vocalizer Expressive, but I only use the Russian and Hebrew
voices.

the Italian voices are awful to say the least. Not the sound, but the
intonation. They all sound foreign, get lots of accents wrong, and after
a while I just can't stand them anymore.


If there's a viable, free, open source alternative, then ok. If not,
long live Espeak!





.


AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Eigeldinger Simon <simon.eigeldinger@...>
 

I guess in nvda 2016.1 they use espeak 1.48.15.
Just the next and i guex the master daily builds have espeak ng.

You find those here:
http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/


Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Simon Eigeldinger
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Nebengebäude 2, OG1
-------------------------
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Kaiser-Franz-Josef-Straße 4
6845 Hohenems
Österreich
Tel.: +43 (0)5576/7101-1211
Fax: +43 (0)5576/7101-1119
E-Mail: simon.eigeldinger@...
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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Christo Vorster [mailto:christo.vorster@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 11:50
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Hi

What version of ESpeak is currently used with NVDA 2016.1?

How do I get ESpeajk-NG?

Regards

Christo

-----Original Message-----
From: ChrisLeo [mailto:llajta@...]
Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2016 11:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Yes, I agree, ...and then what?

As far as i know, NVDA just switched from eSpeak to eSpeak-ng on developed branchs.
Espeak-ng contains improvements for several languages and more languages than eSpeak.
From gitHub you can watch and send issues on:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng

The R sounds mentioned in another messages for some language is a knoun issue, from here we are studing for spanish and italian trill R.
Ciao,


Chris.

Mallard, 20/04/2016 22:41:
Doing away with Espeak, and then what?

Compelling people to buy commercial voices?


I think espeak is still the best non-human synth freely available.

I have Vocalizer Expressive, but I only use the Russian and Hebrew voices.

the Italian voices are awful to say the least. Not the sound, but the
intonation. They all sound foreign, get lots of accents wrong, and after
a while I just can't stand them anymore.


If there's a viable, free, open source alternative, then ok. If not,
long live Espeak!


Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Christo Vorster
 

Hi

What version of ESpeak is currently used with NVDA 2016.1?

How do I get ESpeajk-NG?

Regards

Christo

-----Original Message-----
From: ChrisLeo [mailto:llajta@...]
Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2016 11:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Yes, I agree, ...and then what?

As far as i know, NVDA just switched from eSpeak to eSpeak-ng on developed branchs.
Espeak-ng contains improvements for several languages and more languages than eSpeak.
From gitHub you can watch and send issues on:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng

The R sounds mentioned in another messages for some language is a knoun issue, from here we are studing for spanish and italian trill R.
Ciao,


Chris.

Mallard, 20/04/2016 22:41:
Doing away with Espeak, and then what?

Compelling people to buy commercial voices?


I think espeak is still the best non-human synth freely available.

I have Vocalizer Expressive, but I only use the Russian and Hebrew voices.

the Italian voices are awful to say the least. Not the sound, but the
intonation. They all sound foreign, get lots of accents wrong, and after
a while I just can't stand them anymore.


If there's a viable, free, open source alternative, then ok. If not,
long live Espeak!


Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Mallard
 

Oh, Chris,

I love Espeak's "r"... It's so "posh"... And it sounds a lot like the "r" of a few of our politicians... lol-rofl!!!

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 21/04/2016 11:26, ChrisLeo ha scritto:
Yes, I agree, ...and then what?

As far as i know, NVDA just switched from eSpeak to eSpeak-ng on developed branchs.
Espeak-ng contains improvements for several languages and more languages than eSpeak.
From gitHub you can watch and send issues on:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng

The R sounds mentioned in another messages for some language is a knoun issue, from here we are studing for spanish and italian trill R.
Ciao,


Chris.

Mallard, 20/04/2016 22:41:
Doing away with Espeak, and then what?

Compelling people to buy commercial voices?


I think espeak is still the best non-human synth freely available.

I have Vocalizer Expressive, but I only use the Russian and Hebrew voices.

the Italian voices are awful to say the least. Not the sound, but the
intonation. They all sound foreign, get lots of accents wrong, and after
a while I just can't stand them anymore.


If there's a viable, free, open source alternative, then ok. If not,
long live Espeak!



Re: ESpeak

Christo Vorster
 

I saw this message too late, but am glad that you found the rest. Listen and let me know whether you hear the "loose false teeth" clattering

-----Original Message-----
From: Christo de Klerk [mailto:christodeklerk@...]
Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2016 10:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ESpeak

Hello again Christo

Please ignore my previous message. I have seen now that there are a lot of voices that can be used for Afrikaans. This is something new. I didn't notice it, because I have not been using eSpeak that comes with NVDA, but a version that I installed separately which I can also use from other programs. This is a nice new feature. I tried a number of the voices and I think for Afrikaans I like Rob the best. Thank you for opening my ears to the new voices. I learnt something today.

Regards

Christo


On 2016/04/21 7:14 AM, Christo Vorster wrote:
Hi Angela and List

I understand exactly what you say. In Afrikaans I have the same problem. It is true that many of the Afrikaans speaking people pronounce their "r" like the French, but it is not the norm.

I echo your sentiments concerning the request for someone, with much more knowledge than I on this matter, to try and make a plan.

I have a further problem with ESpeak in Afrikaans. When I use certain voices it sounds like someone speaking with loose false teeth, at the point of losing them. Maybe the developers can try to solve that problem while they work on the "r".

Regards

Christo from South Africa

-----Original Message-----
From: Angela Delicata via Groups.io
[mailto:angeladelicata=libero.it@groups.io]
Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2016 4:03 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ESpeak

What I really do not like about espeak is the sound of r in my
language: the letter is spoken very different in Italian.
It is not like the French r.

Please, if you could try to solve this.
Hope I was clear as I don't know how to better explain that.
Thank you.
Angela from Italy

Il 20/04/2016 15:26, Josh Kennedy ha scritto:
I would love the speech player edward voice to support all of
espeak's phonemes and languages as well as the default voice. I like
klatt voices. but my issue with klatt edward is that it does not have
all the phonemes of original espeak. please fix this because i really
like the edward voice and wish i could just use it in any espeak-supported language!
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Direct Link for NVDA 10th Anniversary Conference and What To Do After TeamTalk is Loaded

James Robinson
 

 
    Helllo There!
 
I have teamtalk installed on my computer; now, what do I do to get to the conference; and can I just listen to all others while they are talking without interacting with the system?
Sincerely,


James Arthur Robinson, Sr., President
Jardata Corporation


Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

ChrisLeo
 

Yes, I agree, ...and then what?

As far as i know, NVDA just switched from eSpeak to eSpeak-ng on developed branchs.
Espeak-ng contains improvements for several languages and more languages than eSpeak.
From gitHub you can watch and send issues on:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng

The R sounds mentioned in another messages for some language is a knoun issue, from here we are studing for spanish and italian trill R.
Ciao,


Chris.

Mallard, 20/04/2016 22:41:

Doing away with Espeak, and then what?

Compelling people to buy commercial voices?


I think espeak is still the best non-human synth freely available.

I have Vocalizer Expressive, but I only use the Russian and Hebrew voices.

the Italian voices are awful to say the least. Not the sound, but the
intonation. They all sound foreign, get lots of accents wrong, and after
a while I just can't stand them anymore.


If there's a viable, free, open source alternative, then ok. If not,
long live Espeak!


Re: IMPORTANT: This list is now under emergency mode #adminnotice

Christo Vorster
 

Hi

 

I think that Twitter, and all the other social media, are useful to a point, that is if you have the time to hang around on it. Personally I only use email because I don’t have time to waste with the social media.

 

As far as ESpeak is concerned, why go into so much trouble to create new voices if it is possible to improve the existing ones? To me that is senseless.

 

From: Lino Morales [mailto:linomorales001@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2016 9:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT: This list is now under emergency mode #AdminNotice #ModNotice

 

Well great that there is a new list for chit chat, but that's what's FB and twitter is for.

 

On 4/20/2016 3:50 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:

Hello, I have thought about this muchly for the past few, well since this list was ported over to groups.io.
I do agree that we need a sublist for offtopic messages and just sillyness and carrying on.
Yet at the same time we'd have to keep some sort of a way to track so that nobody could knowingly send us off to some link somewhere that would contain a virus.
Notice i said knowingly, i know sometimes its bound to happen.

Anyway, that is just my idea.
Have a nice day all.

Scott

On 4/20/2016 4:28 AM, Christo Vorster wrote:

Hello Joseph, and list

 

I am one of the guilty parties and wish to apologise if my posts was out of line as far as this list is concerned. I will refrain from off topic discussions in futere.

 

Having said that, I support the suggestion of a possible sub-list to be used for off topic chats.

 

Cheers

 

Christo

 

From: Joseph Lee [mailto:joseph.lee22590@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2016 8:04 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] IMPORTANT: This list is now under emergency mode #AdminNotice #ModNotice

 

Dear members of the NVDA community and members of this forum:

 

First, thank you for your valuable posts for the past few days.

 

It has been brought to our attention that we’re straying way off topic from the purpose of this forum, stemming from a discussion that the moderator has intervened. A few hours later, someone started discussing a topic that didn’t fit the subject line to a point where we’ve started discussing other topics.

 

For the past few hours, Joseph Lee (the moderator/associate owner) was debating whether to declare an emergency, a first of its kind for this forum. An emergency mode means all off-topic posts are closed immediately. He says that, as the chair of the committee in charge of NVDACon preparations, he felt uneasy regarding this, seeing that this could have an impact on the reputation of NVDA, NVDACon and this forum.

 

Thus, Joseph Lee says:

 

I, Joseph Lee, seeing the current situation on the NVDA list and due to an important event that’ll take place in less than 48 hours from now, hereby declare that an emergency exists in NVDA International Users Forum. Any off-topic subjects discussed for the past few hours, shortly after the moderator’s declaration on April 18, 2016, are hereby nullified (threads closed). This emergency will be lifted once the leadership team (Nimer Jaber and Joseph Lee) determine that the conditions for emergency mode is no more.

 

Joseph speaking:

 

On mailing lists I’m a moderator of, I usually allow some off-topic posts. But what we saw for the past few hours has been something that is beyond words. Perhaps I’m feeling the stress while organizing NVDACon 2016 (which has been in the works for the past six months), perhaps I’m feeling academic stress, perhaps I’m worried too much about the reputation of this forum and what not. For the past few days, I’ve been thinking about current state of this community and what we can do to make it better, as well as to help NV Access and other members of the NVDA community have a joyful year throughout 2016 as we celebrate NVDA’s tenth anniversary. To put it bluntly, I’m very disappointed at the state of NVDA International Users Forum, and to put it nicely, we’re in the danger of alienating potential community members due to our conduct (and some people did leave our list). If this happened at another time, it would have ended with a letter; but we’re living in the eve of NVDA Users and Developers Conference 2016 (tenth Anniversary Edition), an important event that’ll serve as an important occasion for each and every one of us to unite under NVDA, its history, future potential and celebrating its features. To find an international forum conducting ourselves like this at the eve of this important event is, to me, a huge public relations disaster (and I’m not saying this lightly).

 

At this moment I’d like to kindly ask that we ask ourselves the following: how did this happen, why is this happening, and what can we do?

 

Thus, for the sake of NV Access, rest of the NVDA community, NVDACon organizers and for other users around the world, I’d like to sincerely request that we show ourselves as model users and community members throughout NVDACon days and beyond (like many of you, I’d like to see NVDACon become a successful gathering).

 

If you have any questions, commetns or concerns regarding the emergency mode, please let Nimer and I (Joseph Lee) now via email at nvda+owner@groups.io. Thank you.

 

Sincerely,

Joseph S. Lee

Moderator, NVDA International Users Forum

Translator, code contributor and community add-ons reviewer, NVDA screen reader project

Chair, NVDA Tenth Anniversary Planning Committee

 

 

 


AW: ESpeak

Eigeldinger Simon <simon.eigeldinger@...>
 

Hi all,

seems for each language you need to choose a different variant.
For german for example max works best.


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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Jacob Kruger [mailto:jacob@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 10:39
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] ESpeak

Both Christo's, maybe this relates to voice variants?

While the klatt variants sound closer to somewhat natural sounding
voices, I myself, most of the time, use tweaky variant, no matter which
language am setting it to, and this is since it offers me the sort of
cleanest differentiation between various letters that might otherwise
sound somewhat similar, but anyway.

And, that's just my guess relating to what Christo Vorster is referring to.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Roger Wilco wants to welcome you...to the space janitor's closet..."

On 2016-04-21 10:23 AM, Christo de Klerk wrote:
Christo

I am not sure I understand what you say. I quote: "I have a further
problem with ESpeak in Afrikaans. When I use certain voices..." There is
only one Afrikaans voice. It sounds like you have a problem with other
Afrikaans voices. Where did you get those?

Regards

Other Christo

On 2016/04/21 7:14 AM, Christo Vorster wrote:
Hi Angela and List

I understand exactly what you say. In Afrikaans I have the same
problem. It is true that many of the Afrikaans speaking people
pronounce their "r" like the French, but it is not the norm.

I echo your sentiments concerning the request for someone, with much
more knowledge than I on this matter, to try and make a plan.

I have a further problem with ESpeak in Afrikaans. When I use certain
voices it sounds like someone speaking with loose false teeth, at the
point of losing them. Maybe the developers can try to solve that
problem while they work on the "r".

Regards

Christo from South Africa

-----Original Message-----
From: Angela Delicata via Groups.io
[mailto:angeladelicata=libero.it@groups.io]
Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2016 4:03 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ESpeak

What I really do not like about espeak is the sound of r in my
language: the letter is spoken very different in Italian.
It is not like the French r.

Please, if you could try to solve this.
Hope I was clear as I don't know how to better explain that.
Thank you.
Angela from Italy

Il 20/04/2016 15:26, Josh Kennedy ha scritto:
I would love the speech player edward voice to support all of espeak's
phonemes and languages as well as the default voice. I like klatt
voices. but my issue with klatt edward is that it does not have all
the phonemes of original espeak. please fix this because i really like
the edward voice and wish i could just use it in any espeak-supported
language!
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Re: ESpeak

Christo de Klerk
 

Hello again Christo

Please ignore my previous message. I have seen now that there are a lot of voices that can be used for Afrikaans. This is something new. I didn't notice it, because I have not been using eSpeak that comes with NVDA, but a version that I installed separately which I can also use from other programs. This is a nice new feature. I tried a number of the voices and I think for Afrikaans I like Rob the best. Thank you for opening my ears to the new voices. I learnt something today.

Regards

Christo

On 2016/04/21 7:14 AM, Christo Vorster wrote:
Hi Angela and List

I understand exactly what you say. In Afrikaans I have the same problem. It is true that many of the Afrikaans speaking people pronounce their "r" like the French, but it is not the norm.

I echo your sentiments concerning the request for someone, with much more knowledge than I on this matter, to try and make a plan.

I have a further problem with ESpeak in Afrikaans. When I use certain voices it sounds like someone speaking with loose false teeth, at the point of losing them. Maybe the developers can try to solve that problem while they work on the "r".

Regards

Christo from South Africa

-----Original Message-----
From: Angela Delicata via Groups.io [mailto:angeladelicata=libero.it@groups.io]
Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2016 4:03 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ESpeak

What I really do not like about espeak is the sound of r in my
language: the letter is spoken very different in Italian.
It is not like the French r.

Please, if you could try to solve this.
Hope I was clear as I don't know how to better explain that.
Thank you.
Angela from Italy

Il 20/04/2016 15:26, Josh Kennedy ha scritto:
I would love the speech player edward voice to support all of espeak's
phonemes and languages as well as the default voice. I like klatt
voices. but my issue with klatt edward is that it does not have all
the phonemes of original espeak. please fix this because i really like
the edward voice and wish i could just use it in any espeak-supported language!
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Re: ESpeak

Jacob Kruger
 

Both Christo's, maybe this relates to voice variants?

While the klatt variants sound closer to somewhat natural sounding voices, I myself, most of the time, use tweaky variant, no matter which language am setting it to, and this is since it offers me the sort of cleanest differentiation between various letters that might otherwise sound somewhat similar, but anyway.

And, that's just my guess relating to what Christo Vorster is referring to.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Roger Wilco wants to welcome you...to the space janitor's closet..."

On 2016-04-21 10:23 AM, Christo de Klerk wrote:
Christo

I am not sure I understand what you say. I quote: "I have a further
problem with ESpeak in Afrikaans. When I use certain voices..." There is
only one Afrikaans voice. It sounds like you have a problem with other
Afrikaans voices. Where did you get those?

Regards

Other Christo

On 2016/04/21 7:14 AM, Christo Vorster wrote:
Hi Angela and List

I understand exactly what you say. In Afrikaans I have the same
problem. It is true that many of the Afrikaans speaking people
pronounce their "r" like the French, but it is not the norm.

I echo your sentiments concerning the request for someone, with much
more knowledge than I on this matter, to try and make a plan.

I have a further problem with ESpeak in Afrikaans. When I use certain
voices it sounds like someone speaking with loose false teeth, at the
point of losing them. Maybe the developers can try to solve that
problem while they work on the "r".

Regards

Christo from South Africa

-----Original Message-----
From: Angela Delicata via Groups.io
[mailto:angeladelicata=libero.it@groups.io]
Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2016 4:03 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ESpeak

What I really do not like about espeak is the sound of r in my
language: the letter is spoken very different in Italian.
It is not like the French r.

Please, if you could try to solve this.
Hope I was clear as I don't know how to better explain that.
Thank you.
Angela from Italy

Il 20/04/2016 15:26, Josh Kennedy ha scritto:
I would love the speech player edward voice to support all of espeak's
phonemes and languages as well as the default voice. I like klatt
voices. but my issue with klatt edward is that it does not have all
the phonemes of original espeak. please fix this because i really like
the edward voice and wish i could just use it in any espeak-supported
language!
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