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Re: dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

Jacob Kruger
 

Yes.


Like said, it's a standard install package, and doesn't install automatically from that site, so, yes, you can.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-08-22 9:27 PM, Arlene wrote:

That’s what I want to do is download it to the external. Then when I get a windows ten computer then I’ll instal it then. Can I do that?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: August-22-16 12:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Well, you can copy the install package onto your external, but, think you'd need to install it on both systems separately...<smile>

 

Stay well

 

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-22 9:16 PM, Arlene wrote:

Okay! Well done. Then I can put it onto my external?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: August-22-16 12:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Yes - you download a standard install package from that site.

 

Stay well

 

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-22 8:47 PM, Arlene wrote:

Thanks. Can I go download it to my 7 computer and put it to the external hard drive should I end up with ten?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: August-21-16 10:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

http://www.classicshell.net/

 

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-22 7:21 AM, Arlene wrote:

Hi, Where do you get classic shell? I’m asking this shell I end up getting windows ten.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christo Vorster
Sent: August-21-16 10:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hi

 

There is method in the madness of teaching Windows+M and Windows+d.

 

Windows+D maximize the desktop while Windows+M minimize it.

 

I have found that installing Classic Shell is a great help. This make Win10 look like win7.

 

By the way, Classic Shell is free.

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (Worcester South Africa)

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Sunday, 21 August 2016 11:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

I think I figured it out.

The top row is folders and under that is a grid of everything in those folders. The problem is that grid is really strangely shaped and if you press an arrow key you may jump to another folder. Nice thing is it will announce the new folder, but that is also what makes it so confusing.

 

*Note* windows + d also takes you to the desktop like windows + m does, you only need to use one hand though. I've never understood why they teach windows + m when windows + d is easier to do and remember.

Thanks,


 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Jeremy <icu8it2@...> wrote:

Haha, a fun one! First, and apologies to those who may disagree, but it seems to me that currently, the Start menu on 10 with NVDA is slightly less than pleasant to use. :)
I've changed mine up now, I got tired of how crappy it was working for me so I took all the stuff out of the pinned apps area so it no longer shows up, but this is what I was able to figure out.

When you first press the start button and it lands you in the search box, you can press tab, either once or twice and it should take you to a vertical list containing a fairly large number of apps and some of their associated folders. As you arrow up and down here, NVDA will first read the section you come to, so A, B, etc and then under those, read you apps that fall under those sections. As you probably already know, it's here that you can press the applications key and pin said apps to the start menu.

As for the area where Apps actually get pinned, it looks like shift tab is what you want, so doing it from the search box should land you there. It's here that you should be able to use the arrow keys to move up, down, left and right in the grid, but unfortunately, NVDA seems to read things here all weird. As something that looks similar to how IOS likes to create named directories based on the names of the stuff you put in them, as you're moving around here, you'll come to these named sections and can press enter to rename them. As you're moving around here, you'll land on these sections, lets say, Audio and Music just as an example and can sometimes press down or wright and it will start reading you the pinned apps under that section. If you happen to only have one or two things here though, It's sometimes hard to get it to land where you want on the icon or whatever.

I've wondered if it's possible to turn off the structuring of the apps you pin here and just have them in a huge grid, but if so, I've not figured it out.
I'm also not sure if this is something that NVDA just hasn't caught up with and if there are things in the pipe down the road that will make it more friendly, but so far, it is kind of a pain to use. haha

If you play with it though and figure out anything else, I'd certainly be interested.
Take care.

On 8/20/2016 10:17 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:

Hello,

The reason why one uses the start menu is so you don't need to open apps to do things like your calendar, whether, news and stocks. you just arrow over those items and you hear what they are.

Thanks,

 

 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 5:40 AM, Louis Maher <ljmaher@...> wrote:

Hello Brandon,

 

I find it easier to place application shortcuts on the desktop.  This is a two-step process.  Hit the windows key, type in the application name, hit the context menu, find file location and enter on it, hit the context menu and go to the send-to menu.  Hit the desktop option.  Hit windows m to bring you to the desktop, type the first letter of the application, and you will land on it.  Note that on the desktop, once you find a and select  application, you can hit f2 and change the shortcut’s name.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 7:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

Does anyone understand how pins work in Windows 10?

I removed all the junk in hopes that fewer items would make things clearer, but it didn't I pinned a couple things to the start and in order to get to them I need to hit right arrow once and down arrow all the way to the bottom when they should be just down.

Apparently there are folders but I can't understand how they work.

Any help would be great because I would like to start using the start menu.

Thanks,

 

 

 

 

 

 



Re: dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

Arlene
 

That’s what I want to do is download it to the external. Then when I get a windows ten computer then I’ll instal it then. Can I do that?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: August-22-16 12:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Well, you can copy the install package onto your external, but, think you'd need to install it on both systems separately...<smile>

 

Stay well

 

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-22 9:16 PM, Arlene wrote:

Okay! Well done. Then I can put it onto my external?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: August-22-16 12:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Yes - you download a standard install package from that site.

 

Stay well

 

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-22 8:47 PM, Arlene wrote:

Thanks. Can I go download it to my 7 computer and put it to the external hard drive should I end up with ten?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: August-21-16 10:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

http://www.classicshell.net/

 

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-22 7:21 AM, Arlene wrote:

Hi, Where do you get classic shell? I’m asking this shell I end up getting windows ten.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christo Vorster
Sent: August-21-16 10:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hi

 

There is method in the madness of teaching Windows+M and Windows+d.

 

Windows+D maximize the desktop while Windows+M minimize it.

 

I have found that installing Classic Shell is a great help. This make Win10 look like win7.

 

By the way, Classic Shell is free.

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (Worcester South Africa)

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Sunday, 21 August 2016 11:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

I think I figured it out.

The top row is folders and under that is a grid of everything in those folders. The problem is that grid is really strangely shaped and if you press an arrow key you may jump to another folder. Nice thing is it will announce the new folder, but that is also what makes it so confusing.

 

*Note* windows + d also takes you to the desktop like windows + m does, you only need to use one hand though. I've never understood why they teach windows + m when windows + d is easier to do and remember.

Thanks,


 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Jeremy <icu8it2@...> wrote:

Haha, a fun one! First, and apologies to those who may disagree, but it seems to me that currently, the Start menu on 10 with NVDA is slightly less than pleasant to use. :)
I've changed mine up now, I got tired of how crappy it was working for me so I took all the stuff out of the pinned apps area so it no longer shows up, but this is what I was able to figure out.

When you first press the start button and it lands you in the search box, you can press tab, either once or twice and it should take you to a vertical list containing a fairly large number of apps and some of their associated folders. As you arrow up and down here, NVDA will first read the section you come to, so A, B, etc and then under those, read you apps that fall under those sections. As you probably already know, it's here that you can press the applications key and pin said apps to the start menu.

As for the area where Apps actually get pinned, it looks like shift tab is what you want, so doing it from the search box should land you there. It's here that you should be able to use the arrow keys to move up, down, left and right in the grid, but unfortunately, NVDA seems to read things here all weird. As something that looks similar to how IOS likes to create named directories based on the names of the stuff you put in them, as you're moving around here, you'll come to these named sections and can press enter to rename them. As you're moving around here, you'll land on these sections, lets say, Audio and Music just as an example and can sometimes press down or wright and it will start reading you the pinned apps under that section. If you happen to only have one or two things here though, It's sometimes hard to get it to land where you want on the icon or whatever.

I've wondered if it's possible to turn off the structuring of the apps you pin here and just have them in a huge grid, but if so, I've not figured it out.
I'm also not sure if this is something that NVDA just hasn't caught up with and if there are things in the pipe down the road that will make it more friendly, but so far, it is kind of a pain to use. haha

If you play with it though and figure out anything else, I'd certainly be interested.
Take care.

On 8/20/2016 10:17 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:

Hello,

The reason why one uses the start menu is so you don't need to open apps to do things like your calendar, whether, news and stocks. you just arrow over those items and you hear what they are.

Thanks,

 

 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 5:40 AM, Louis Maher <ljmaher@...> wrote:

Hello Brandon,

 

I find it easier to place application shortcuts on the desktop.  This is a two-step process.  Hit the windows key, type in the application name, hit the context menu, find file location and enter on it, hit the context menu and go to the send-to menu.  Hit the desktop option.  Hit windows m to bring you to the desktop, type the first letter of the application, and you will land on it.  Note that on the desktop, once you find a and select  application, you can hit f2 and change the shortcut’s name.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 7:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

Does anyone understand how pins work in Windows 10?

I removed all the junk in hopes that fewer items would make things clearer, but it didn't I pinned a couple things to the start and in order to get to them I need to hit right arrow once and down arrow all the way to the bottom when they should be just down.

Apparently there are folders but I can't understand how they work.

Any help would be great because I would like to start using the start menu.

Thanks,

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

Jacob Kruger
 

Well, you can copy the install package onto your external, but, think you'd need to install it on both systems separately...<smile>


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-08-22 9:16 PM, Arlene wrote:

Okay! Well done. Then I can put it onto my external?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: August-22-16 12:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Yes - you download a standard install package from that site.

 

Stay well

 

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-22 8:47 PM, Arlene wrote:

Thanks. Can I go download it to my 7 computer and put it to the external hard drive should I end up with ten?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: August-21-16 10:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

http://www.classicshell.net/

 

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-22 7:21 AM, Arlene wrote:

Hi, Where do you get classic shell? I’m asking this shell I end up getting windows ten.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christo Vorster
Sent: August-21-16 10:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hi

 

There is method in the madness of teaching Windows+M and Windows+d.

 

Windows+D maximize the desktop while Windows+M minimize it.

 

I have found that installing Classic Shell is a great help. This make Win10 look like win7.

 

By the way, Classic Shell is free.

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (Worcester South Africa)

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Sunday, 21 August 2016 11:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

I think I figured it out.

The top row is folders and under that is a grid of everything in those folders. The problem is that grid is really strangely shaped and if you press an arrow key you may jump to another folder. Nice thing is it will announce the new folder, but that is also what makes it so confusing.

 

*Note* windows + d also takes you to the desktop like windows + m does, you only need to use one hand though. I've never understood why they teach windows + m when windows + d is easier to do and remember.

Thanks,


 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Jeremy <icu8it2@...> wrote:

Haha, a fun one! First, and apologies to those who may disagree, but it seems to me that currently, the Start menu on 10 with NVDA is slightly less than pleasant to use. :)
I've changed mine up now, I got tired of how crappy it was working for me so I took all the stuff out of the pinned apps area so it no longer shows up, but this is what I was able to figure out.

When you first press the start button and it lands you in the search box, you can press tab, either once or twice and it should take you to a vertical list containing a fairly large number of apps and some of their associated folders. As you arrow up and down here, NVDA will first read the section you come to, so A, B, etc and then under those, read you apps that fall under those sections. As you probably already know, it's here that you can press the applications key and pin said apps to the start menu.

As for the area where Apps actually get pinned, it looks like shift tab is what you want, so doing it from the search box should land you there. It's here that you should be able to use the arrow keys to move up, down, left and right in the grid, but unfortunately, NVDA seems to read things here all weird. As something that looks similar to how IOS likes to create named directories based on the names of the stuff you put in them, as you're moving around here, you'll come to these named sections and can press enter to rename them. As you're moving around here, you'll land on these sections, lets say, Audio and Music just as an example and can sometimes press down or wright and it will start reading you the pinned apps under that section. If you happen to only have one or two things here though, It's sometimes hard to get it to land where you want on the icon or whatever.

I've wondered if it's possible to turn off the structuring of the apps you pin here and just have them in a huge grid, but if so, I've not figured it out.
I'm also not sure if this is something that NVDA just hasn't caught up with and if there are things in the pipe down the road that will make it more friendly, but so far, it is kind of a pain to use. haha

If you play with it though and figure out anything else, I'd certainly be interested.
Take care.

On 8/20/2016 10:17 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:

Hello,

The reason why one uses the start menu is so you don't need to open apps to do things like your calendar, whether, news and stocks. you just arrow over those items and you hear what they are.

Thanks,

 

 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 5:40 AM, Louis Maher <ljmaher@...> wrote:

Hello Brandon,

 

I find it easier to place application shortcuts on the desktop.  This is a two-step process.  Hit the windows key, type in the application name, hit the context menu, find file location and enter on it, hit the context menu and go to the send-to menu.  Hit the desktop option.  Hit windows m to bring you to the desktop, type the first letter of the application, and you will land on it.  Note that on the desktop, once you find a and select  application, you can hit f2 and change the shortcut’s name.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 7:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

Does anyone understand how pins work in Windows 10?

I removed all the junk in hopes that fewer items would make things clearer, but it didn't I pinned a couple things to the start and in order to get to them I need to hit right arrow once and down arrow all the way to the bottom when they should be just down.

Apparently there are folders but I can't understand how they work.

Any help would be great because I would like to start using the start menu.

Thanks,

 

 

 

 

 



Re: dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

Arlene
 

Okay! Well done. Then I can put it onto my external?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: August-22-16 12:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Yes - you download a standard install package from that site.

 

Stay well

 

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-22 8:47 PM, Arlene wrote:

Thanks. Can I go download it to my 7 computer and put it to the external hard drive should I end up with ten?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: August-21-16 10:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

http://www.classicshell.net/

 

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-22 7:21 AM, Arlene wrote:

Hi, Where do you get classic shell? I’m asking this shell I end up getting windows ten.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christo Vorster
Sent: August-21-16 10:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hi

 

There is method in the madness of teaching Windows+M and Windows+d.

 

Windows+D maximize the desktop while Windows+M minimize it.

 

I have found that installing Classic Shell is a great help. This make Win10 look like win7.

 

By the way, Classic Shell is free.

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (Worcester South Africa)

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Sunday, 21 August 2016 11:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

I think I figured it out.

The top row is folders and under that is a grid of everything in those folders. The problem is that grid is really strangely shaped and if you press an arrow key you may jump to another folder. Nice thing is it will announce the new folder, but that is also what makes it so confusing.

 

*Note* windows + d also takes you to the desktop like windows + m does, you only need to use one hand though. I've never understood why they teach windows + m when windows + d is easier to do and remember.

Thanks,


 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Jeremy <icu8it2@...> wrote:

Haha, a fun one! First, and apologies to those who may disagree, but it seems to me that currently, the Start menu on 10 with NVDA is slightly less than pleasant to use. :)
I've changed mine up now, I got tired of how crappy it was working for me so I took all the stuff out of the pinned apps area so it no longer shows up, but this is what I was able to figure out.

When you first press the start button and it lands you in the search box, you can press tab, either once or twice and it should take you to a vertical list containing a fairly large number of apps and some of their associated folders. As you arrow up and down here, NVDA will first read the section you come to, so A, B, etc and then under those, read you apps that fall under those sections. As you probably already know, it's here that you can press the applications key and pin said apps to the start menu.

As for the area where Apps actually get pinned, it looks like shift tab is what you want, so doing it from the search box should land you there. It's here that you should be able to use the arrow keys to move up, down, left and right in the grid, but unfortunately, NVDA seems to read things here all weird. As something that looks similar to how IOS likes to create named directories based on the names of the stuff you put in them, as you're moving around here, you'll come to these named sections and can press enter to rename them. As you're moving around here, you'll land on these sections, lets say, Audio and Music just as an example and can sometimes press down or wright and it will start reading you the pinned apps under that section. If you happen to only have one or two things here though, It's sometimes hard to get it to land where you want on the icon or whatever.

I've wondered if it's possible to turn off the structuring of the apps you pin here and just have them in a huge grid, but if so, I've not figured it out.
I'm also not sure if this is something that NVDA just hasn't caught up with and if there are things in the pipe down the road that will make it more friendly, but so far, it is kind of a pain to use. haha

If you play with it though and figure out anything else, I'd certainly be interested.
Take care.

On 8/20/2016 10:17 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:

Hello,

The reason why one uses the start menu is so you don't need to open apps to do things like your calendar, whether, news and stocks. you just arrow over those items and you hear what they are.

Thanks,

 

 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 5:40 AM, Louis Maher <ljmaher@...> wrote:

Hello Brandon,

 

I find it easier to place application shortcuts on the desktop.  This is a two-step process.  Hit the windows key, type in the application name, hit the context menu, find file location and enter on it, hit the context menu and go to the send-to menu.  Hit the desktop option.  Hit windows m to bring you to the desktop, type the first letter of the application, and you will land on it.  Note that on the desktop, once you find a and select  application, you can hit f2 and change the shortcut’s name.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 7:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

Does anyone understand how pins work in Windows 10?

I removed all the junk in hopes that fewer items would make things clearer, but it didn't I pinned a couple things to the start and in order to get to them I need to hit right arrow once and down arrow all the way to the bottom when they should be just down.

Apparently there are folders but I can't understand how they work.

Any help would be great because I would like to start using the start menu.

Thanks,

 

 

 

 

 


Re: dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

Jacob Kruger
 

Yes - you download a standard install package from that site.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-08-22 8:47 PM, Arlene wrote:

Thanks. Can I go download it to my 7 computer and put it to the external hard drive should I end up with ten?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: August-21-16 10:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

http://www.classicshell.net/

 

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-22 7:21 AM, Arlene wrote:

Hi, Where do you get classic shell? I’m asking this shell I end up getting windows ten.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christo Vorster
Sent: August-21-16 10:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hi

 

There is method in the madness of teaching Windows+M and Windows+d.

 

Windows+D maximize the desktop while Windows+M minimize it.

 

I have found that installing Classic Shell is a great help. This make Win10 look like win7.

 

By the way, Classic Shell is free.

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (Worcester South Africa)

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Sunday, 21 August 2016 11:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

I think I figured it out.

The top row is folders and under that is a grid of everything in those folders. The problem is that grid is really strangely shaped and if you press an arrow key you may jump to another folder. Nice thing is it will announce the new folder, but that is also what makes it so confusing.

 

*Note* windows + d also takes you to the desktop like windows + m does, you only need to use one hand though. I've never understood why they teach windows + m when windows + d is easier to do and remember.

Thanks,


 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Jeremy <icu8it2@...> wrote:

Haha, a fun one! First, and apologies to those who may disagree, but it seems to me that currently, the Start menu on 10 with NVDA is slightly less than pleasant to use. :)
I've changed mine up now, I got tired of how crappy it was working for me so I took all the stuff out of the pinned apps area so it no longer shows up, but this is what I was able to figure out.

When you first press the start button and it lands you in the search box, you can press tab, either once or twice and it should take you to a vertical list containing a fairly large number of apps and some of their associated folders. As you arrow up and down here, NVDA will first read the section you come to, so A, B, etc and then under those, read you apps that fall under those sections. As you probably already know, it's here that you can press the applications key and pin said apps to the start menu.

As for the area where Apps actually get pinned, it looks like shift tab is what you want, so doing it from the search box should land you there. It's here that you should be able to use the arrow keys to move up, down, left and right in the grid, but unfortunately, NVDA seems to read things here all weird. As something that looks similar to how IOS likes to create named directories based on the names of the stuff you put in them, as you're moving around here, you'll come to these named sections and can press enter to rename them. As you're moving around here, you'll land on these sections, lets say, Audio and Music just as an example and can sometimes press down or wright and it will start reading you the pinned apps under that section. If you happen to only have one or two things here though, It's sometimes hard to get it to land where you want on the icon or whatever.

I've wondered if it's possible to turn off the structuring of the apps you pin here and just have them in a huge grid, but if so, I've not figured it out.
I'm also not sure if this is something that NVDA just hasn't caught up with and if there are things in the pipe down the road that will make it more friendly, but so far, it is kind of a pain to use. haha

If you play with it though and figure out anything else, I'd certainly be interested.
Take care.

On 8/20/2016 10:17 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:

Hello,

The reason why one uses the start menu is so you don't need to open apps to do things like your calendar, whether, news and stocks. you just arrow over those items and you hear what they are.

Thanks,

 

 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 5:40 AM, Louis Maher <ljmaher@...> wrote:

Hello Brandon,

 

I find it easier to place application shortcuts on the desktop.  This is a two-step process.  Hit the windows key, type in the application name, hit the context menu, find file location and enter on it, hit the context menu and go to the send-to menu.  Hit the desktop option.  Hit windows m to bring you to the desktop, type the first letter of the application, and you will land on it.  Note that on the desktop, once you find a and select  application, you can hit f2 and change the shortcut’s name.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 7:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

Does anyone understand how pins work in Windows 10?

I removed all the junk in hopes that fewer items would make things clearer, but it didn't I pinned a couple things to the start and in order to get to them I need to hit right arrow once and down arrow all the way to the bottom when they should be just down.

Apparently there are folders but I can't understand how they work.

Any help would be great because I would like to start using the start menu.

Thanks,

 

 

 

 



Re: dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

Arlene
 

Thanks. Can I go download it to my 7 computer and put it to the external hard drive should I end up with ten?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: August-21-16 10:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

http://www.classicshell.net/

 

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-22 7:21 AM, Arlene wrote:

Hi, Where do you get classic shell? I’m asking this shell I end up getting windows ten.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christo Vorster
Sent: August-21-16 10:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hi

 

There is method in the madness of teaching Windows+M and Windows+d.

 

Windows+D maximize the desktop while Windows+M minimize it.

 

I have found that installing Classic Shell is a great help. This make Win10 look like win7.

 

By the way, Classic Shell is free.

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (Worcester South Africa)

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Sunday, 21 August 2016 11:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

I think I figured it out.

The top row is folders and under that is a grid of everything in those folders. The problem is that grid is really strangely shaped and if you press an arrow key you may jump to another folder. Nice thing is it will announce the new folder, but that is also what makes it so confusing.

 

*Note* windows + d also takes you to the desktop like windows + m does, you only need to use one hand though. I've never understood why they teach windows + m when windows + d is easier to do and remember.

Thanks,


 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Jeremy <icu8it2@...> wrote:

Haha, a fun one! First, and apologies to those who may disagree, but it seems to me that currently, the Start menu on 10 with NVDA is slightly less than pleasant to use. :)
I've changed mine up now, I got tired of how crappy it was working for me so I took all the stuff out of the pinned apps area so it no longer shows up, but this is what I was able to figure out.

When you first press the start button and it lands you in the search box, you can press tab, either once or twice and it should take you to a vertical list containing a fairly large number of apps and some of their associated folders. As you arrow up and down here, NVDA will first read the section you come to, so A, B, etc and then under those, read you apps that fall under those sections. As you probably already know, it's here that you can press the applications key and pin said apps to the start menu.

As for the area where Apps actually get pinned, it looks like shift tab is what you want, so doing it from the search box should land you there. It's here that you should be able to use the arrow keys to move up, down, left and right in the grid, but unfortunately, NVDA seems to read things here all weird. As something that looks similar to how IOS likes to create named directories based on the names of the stuff you put in them, as you're moving around here, you'll come to these named sections and can press enter to rename them. As you're moving around here, you'll land on these sections, lets say, Audio and Music just as an example and can sometimes press down or wright and it will start reading you the pinned apps under that section. If you happen to only have one or two things here though, It's sometimes hard to get it to land where you want on the icon or whatever.

I've wondered if it's possible to turn off the structuring of the apps you pin here and just have them in a huge grid, but if so, I've not figured it out.
I'm also not sure if this is something that NVDA just hasn't caught up with and if there are things in the pipe down the road that will make it more friendly, but so far, it is kind of a pain to use. haha

If you play with it though and figure out anything else, I'd certainly be interested.
Take care.

On 8/20/2016 10:17 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:

Hello,

The reason why one uses the start menu is so you don't need to open apps to do things like your calendar, whether, news and stocks. you just arrow over those items and you hear what they are.

Thanks,

 

 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 5:40 AM, Louis Maher <ljmaher@...> wrote:

Hello Brandon,

 

I find it easier to place application shortcuts on the desktop.  This is a two-step process.  Hit the windows key, type in the application name, hit the context menu, find file location and enter on it, hit the context menu and go to the send-to menu.  Hit the desktop option.  Hit windows m to bring you to the desktop, type the first letter of the application, and you will land on it.  Note that on the desktop, once you find a and select  application, you can hit f2 and change the shortcut’s name.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 7:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

Does anyone understand how pins work in Windows 10?

I removed all the junk in hopes that fewer items would make things clearer, but it didn't I pinned a couple things to the start and in order to get to them I need to hit right arrow once and down arrow all the way to the bottom when they should be just down.

Apparently there are folders but I can't understand how they work.

Any help would be great because I would like to start using the start menu.

Thanks,

 

 

 

 


Re: How to do post-production work in audacity class exercises are now available.

 

Thanks Jim! Chalk it up as a lapse of thinking for me. :)





On 8/22/2016 7:15 AM, The Gamages wrote:
you need to type http:\\ before the address if it’s not already there in your browser.
 
Best Regards, Jim.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to do post-production work in audacity class exercises are now available.
 
It works here. I don't know why you are having a problem.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to do post-production work in audacity class exercises are now available.

I looked character by character. I deleted the period from the end and any trailing spaces at the end as well. I get an error 404 not found. This is the link to the self extracting executable. I haven't tried the other link yet.


On 8/21/2016 3:31 AM, Gene wrote:
If a link doesn't work, look at it character by character.  If you copied the link to the address bar in your browser, you probably copied the period that ended the sentence immediately after the link.  Copy the link to the address bar, move to the end with the end command, back space once to remove the period, then follow the link. 
 
Gene
 
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 1:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to do post-production work in audacity class exercises are now available.
 

What error do you get?


On 8/20/2016 11:14 PM, Governor staten wrote:
I'd like to get these files. It appears that the link doesn't work.





On 8/21/2016 12:51 AM, derek riemer wrote:
yesterday I mentioned the course to 
teach potential NVDACon editors
how to edit audio, in hopes of getting people interested in helping
with post-production of the NVDACon sessions. If you are interested in
challenge problems and exercises that are encouraged for those
learning audio editing, you can download them at
files.derekriemer.com/audacity_editing_class.exe.

Note that this is simply a 7zip self-extracting archive. If you are
weary of running executables, you can install 7zip, and unpack the
archive from this link (It's the exact same files, just not
self-extracting). files.derekriemer.com/audacity_editing_class.7z

Also, under this folder is challenge.wav. This is the audio of the
class I ran on teamtalk today. It is unedited, so that you can
practice making a post-production ready audio file. In order to
compress to mp3 in audacity, you need to install the laime library for
MP3 encoding. This is clearly documented on the audacity website
http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Lame_Installation


--

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  • Department of computer science, third year undergraduate student.
  • Proud user of the NVDA screen reader.
  • Open source enthusiast.
  • Member of Bridge Cu
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Websites:
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Silent Installation of NVDA

 

I want to install NVDA silent, quiet, with no sounds or pop-up screens because I want to use it to deploy with SCCM.

 

Use following command: nvda_2016.2.1.exe --install-silent --minimal --log-level=20 --log-file=C:\NVDA.log

 

Tested the command om a Windows 10 computer:

Does not work properly: NVDA is installed, and the log-file is made. But there is a sound, and I see a pop-up.

 

 

Met vriendelijke groet,


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Re: How to do post-production work in audacity class exercises are now available.

The Gamages
 

you need to type http:\\ before the address if it’s not already there in your browser.
 
Best Regards, Jim.
 

From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to do post-production work in audacity class exercises are now available.
 
It works here. I don't know why you are having a problem.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to do post-production work in audacity class exercises are now available.

I looked character by character. I deleted the period from the end and any trailing spaces at the end as well. I get an error 404 not found. This is the link to the self extracting executable. I haven't tried the other link yet.


On 8/21/2016 3:31 AM, Gene wrote:
If a link doesn't work, look at it character by character.  If you copied the link to the address bar in your browser, you probably copied the period that ended the sentence immediately after the link.  Copy the link to the address bar, move to the end with the end command, back space once to remove the period, then follow the link. 
 
Gene
 
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 1:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to do post-production work in audacity class exercises are now available.
 

What error do you get?


On 8/20/2016 11:14 PM, Governor staten wrote:
I'd like to get these files. It appears that the link doesn't work.





On 8/21/2016 12:51 AM, derek riemer wrote:
yesterday I mentioned the course to 
teach potential NVDACon editors
how to edit audio, in hopes of getting people interested in helping
with post-production of the NVDACon sessions. If you are interested in
challenge problems and exercises that are encouraged for those
learning audio editing, you can download them at
files.derekriemer.com/audacity_editing_class.exe.

Note that this is simply a 7zip self-extracting archive. If you are
weary of running executables, you can install 7zip, and unpack the
archive from this link (It's the exact same files, just not
self-extracting). files.derekriemer.com/audacity_editing_class.7z

Also, under this folder is challenge.wav. This is the audio of the
class I ran on teamtalk today. It is unedited, so that you can
practice making a post-production ready audio file. In order to
compress to mp3 in audacity, you need to install the laime library for
MP3 encoding. This is clearly documented on the audacity website
http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Lame_Installation


--

Derek Riemer

  • Department of computer science, third year undergraduate student.
  • Proud user of the NVDA screen reader.
  • Open source enthusiast.
  • Member of Bridge Cu
  • Avid skiier.

Websites:
Honors portfolio
Awesome little hand built weather app!

mailto:derek.riemer@...
Phone: (303) 906-2194



Re: hotkey to change rate of speech?

Gene
 

You are already on rate.  All you have to do is NVDA key control key an up and down arrow while holding the command.  Whenever working with this kind of command, always check to see what you are on when you apply it without changing your place first.
 
Gene 
----- Orriginal Message -----

Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 3:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] hotkey to change rate of speech?

Hi


I know for the desktop I use CTRL +NVDA +either the left or right arrow
key to get to the rate part. When you cycle through this way you will
hear NVDA say other stuff like varient, voice, enable back quote tab,
volume, etc to you get to where you can change the rate. When you have
got to where the rate section is still hold down the CTRL key + NVDA key
then use the up or down arrow key to either speed up the voice or slow
it down. It is the same if you want to ajust any of the other sections
after you found them.


hope this helps.


Gene nz

,


On 22/08/2016 7:31 PM, Michael Capelle wrote:
> hello all.
> is there a command i can use to change the rate of speech on the fly?
> thanks.
>
>
>

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Re: hotkey to change rate of speech?

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


I know for the desktop I use CTRL +NVDA +either the left or right arrow
key to get to the rate part. When you cycle through this way you will
hear NVDA say other stuff like varient, voice, enable back quote tab,
volume, etc to you get to where you can change the rate. When you have
got to where the rate section is still hold down the CTRL key + NVDA key
then use the up or down arrow key to either speed up the voice or slow
it down. It is the same if you want to ajust any of the other sections
after you found them.


hope this helps.


Gene nz

,

On 22/08/2016 7:31 PM, Michael Capelle wrote:
hello all.
is there a command i can use to change the rate of speech on the fly?
thanks.


--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net


Re: hotkey to change rate of speech?

Jacob Kruger
 

NVDA key + ctrl key, in combination with arrow keys - left and right to cycle through speech settings, and then arrow up and down to change them - so, generally, rate will have focus, so NVDA key + ctrl + up will increase rate, and same combo with down arrow will decrease it.


HTH


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-22 9:31 AM, Michael Capelle wrote:
hello all.
is there a command i can use to change the rate of speech on the fly?
thanks.




hotkey to change rate of speech?

Michael Capelle <mcapelle@...>
 

hello all.
is there a command i can use to change the rate of speech on the fly?
thanks.


Re: SSH with the new windows Bash Client?

Simone Dal Maso
 

I don't agree.
Putty and Cygwin are usable, and on cygwin you have no problem with arrow keys.
And for bash, nano is working ok, NVDA read what you want, at least on my pc!

Il 21/08/2016 23:15, Jeremy ha scritto:
Oops, my bad. I hadn't read all the way through the link before I'd
written the message, my mistake. Thanks for the instructions. :)
Tc.
On 8/21/2016 4:50 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:
Hello,
As I remember, PUTTY is really hard to use with NVDA. I never liked it
and always avoided using SSH if I could.
But this is a windows thing, so if we all push for it to be made
really accessible it may really happen. You can vote for it:
https://microsoftaccessibility.uservoice.com/forums/307429-microsoft-accessibility-feedback/suggestions/15734662-make-the-command-lines-work-better-with-screen-rea


The link I gave talked about how to install the bash client.
Thanks,


Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 8:46 PM, Jeremy <icu8it2@gmail.com
<mailto:icu8it2@gmail.com>> wrote:

I've only been on 10 for a week or so, so I'll have to play with
the command line more to get an idea how it's working with NVDA,
but at least on 7, NVDA seemed to read a bit more than it seems to
be reading for you. At least with reading the command history,
moving back and forth through the edit area to review character by
character, this all worked pretty well. I've also never really ran
into any lag on 7, but that wasn't using any type of a network
connection either.

I can't recall who it was or even when exactly the message was
posted, but I don't remember he/she saying there was issues with
lag, reading command history, etc, just mostly that it was similar
to the problems we seem to have in programs like putty, moving
through applications like nano and vim, or trying to move up and
down in ncurses type menus.

Perhaps it was here, a long while ago that somewhat of a
discussion had been brought up to give some explanations on why
NVDA and other Windows screenreaders seem to crap out in programs
like the command prompt, why they don't track correctly in menus
there, keep track of a cursor, etc, but I don't remember
everything that was said. I do know though that the size of the
window, shape of the cursor, number of lines in that window and
number of allowed characters per line used to be really important
in getting JFW set up for TeraTerm and then it worked considerably
better.

All the same, thanks for the link to an introduction to bash, as
I'm sure that it will be of help for sure, but I was more asking
how one goes about enabling the bash terminal on 10 or if it came
automatically. hehe :)
It's my luck that it's right in front of my face and I'm just
missing it, but there's still quite a lot that I haven't explored
on 10. haha
Here's hoping our wonderful devs may just put a little sweet sweet
love towards the terminal and get it working as well as NVDA does
on lots of other applications, as having a terminal that's easy to
enable and we can use to ssh into those types of systems, that
would be totally sweet.
Take care.

On 8/20/2016 10:39 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:
Hello,
So I was able to get the bash client working on my computer.
Pros:
The client works great, it is just like powershell or command prompt.
2. SSH works OK. You can read what happened with the review
cursor, but there is a huge lag when typing (nvda will say the
letter like half a second after you type and it is not 100%).
There is no feedback for up arrow to retype commands and no
feedback when letters are deleted.
Other than that things are really good! Vim could use some
tweaking to be a little easier to use, but it is the best. Nano
doesn't like opening existing files. NVDA doesn't read anything
when you open an already existing file with nano.

Because this is pretty much a commandline, is NVDA able to modify
any of these behaviors?
It would be beyond amazing if there was a text editor that had
the usability of EdSharp on the bash line. Vim could be that, but
I have not seen anything to show me it is faster than editing
with EdSharp. Apparently it is not normal for most people to
never leave their keyboard when they are typing and that is what
Vim allows. But EdSharp has even faster key commands and it is a
lot more user friendly.

Here is a guide on how to get started with the bash prompt:
http://www.howtogeek.com/249966/how-to-install-and-use-the-linux-bash-shell-on-windows-10/
<http://www.howtogeek.com/249966/how-to-install-and-use-the-linux-bash-shell-on-windows-10/>

Thanks,


Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Jeremy
<<mailto:icu8it2@gmail.com>icu8it2@gmail.com> wrote:

If it's the same thing that was mentioned a while ago here on
list, it does work, but seems to have some of the same issues
in navigating things like ncurses menus and areas such as
files within nano. As with Teraterm and I assume, putty, NVDA
doesn't always track the cursor correctly, so you have to use
review commands to get an idea of your position sometimes.
I'm not sure if this is mostly specific to recent versions of
NVDA, as I know older versions worked really well with
Teraterm, but I do know the latest one can be really
frustrating to use with it.

How does one go about getting and using this bash console in
10, btw, as I'd certainly be willing to give it a shot. Is it
something that comes in the latest anniversary update?
Take care.

On 8/19/2016 3:18 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:
Hello,
Has anyone managed to give the new windows bash client a try
yet? I am waiting for my update to install. It is a very
functional Ubuntu type system and that means that SSH should
work.
If that is the case, no more needing to deal with partly
accessible SSH clients, we will be able to use the default
windows client!
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>


Re: dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

Christo Vorster
 

Hi Arlene

 

You can probably find the exact link through a Google Search. I am not quite sure, but if you don’t find it, contact me of list and I can mail it, the setup file i mean, to you.

 

My personal address is Christo.vorster@....

 

Have a nice day.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Monday, 22 August 2016 7:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hi, Where do you get classic shell? I’m asking this shell I end up getting windows ten.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christo Vorster
Sent: August-21-16 10:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hi

 

There is method in the madness of teaching Windows+M and Windows+d.

 

Windows+D maximize the desktop while Windows+M minimize it.

 

I have found that installing Classic Shell is a great help. This make Win10 look like win7.

 

By the way, Classic Shell is free.

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (Worcester South Africa)

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Sunday, 21 August 2016 11:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

I think I figured it out.

The top row is folders and under that is a grid of everything in those folders. The problem is that grid is really strangely shaped and if you press an arrow key you may jump to another folder. Nice thing is it will announce the new folder, but that is also what makes it so confusing.

 

*Note* windows + d also takes you to the desktop like windows + m does, you only need to use one hand though. I've never understood why they teach windows + m when windows + d is easier to do and remember.

Thanks,


 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Jeremy <icu8it2@...> wrote:

Haha, a fun one! First, and apologies to those who may disagree, but it seems to me that currently, the Start menu on 10 with NVDA is slightly less than pleasant to use. :)
I've changed mine up now, I got tired of how crappy it was working for me so I took all the stuff out of the pinned apps area so it no longer shows up, but this is what I was able to figure out.

When you first press the start button and it lands you in the search box, you can press tab, either once or twice and it should take you to a vertical list containing a fairly large number of apps and some of their associated folders. As you arrow up and down here, NVDA will first read the section you come to, so A, B, etc and then under those, read you apps that fall under those sections. As you probably already know, it's here that you can press the applications key and pin said apps to the start menu.

As for the area where Apps actually get pinned, it looks like shift tab is what you want, so doing it from the search box should land you there. It's here that you should be able to use the arrow keys to move up, down, left and right in the grid, but unfortunately, NVDA seems to read things here all weird. As something that looks similar to how IOS likes to create named directories based on the names of the stuff you put in them, as you're moving around here, you'll come to these named sections and can press enter to rename them. As you're moving around here, you'll land on these sections, lets say, Audio and Music just as an example and can sometimes press down or wright and it will start reading you the pinned apps under that section. If you happen to only have one or two things here though, It's sometimes hard to get it to land where you want on the icon or whatever.

I've wondered if it's possible to turn off the structuring of the apps you pin here and just have them in a huge grid, but if so, I've not figured it out.
I'm also not sure if this is something that NVDA just hasn't caught up with and if there are things in the pipe down the road that will make it more friendly, but so far, it is kind of a pain to use. haha

If you play with it though and figure out anything else, I'd certainly be interested.
Take care.

On 8/20/2016 10:17 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:

Hello,

The reason why one uses the start menu is so you don't need to open apps to do things like your calendar, whether, news and stocks. you just arrow over those items and you hear what they are.

Thanks,

 

 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 5:40 AM, Louis Maher <ljmaher@...> wrote:

Hello Brandon,

 

I find it easier to place application shortcuts on the desktop.  This is a two-step process.  Hit the windows key, type in the application name, hit the context menu, find file location and enter on it, hit the context menu and go to the send-to menu.  Hit the desktop option.  Hit windows m to bring you to the desktop, type the first letter of the application, and you will land on it.  Note that on the desktop, once you find a and select  application, you can hit f2 and change the shortcut’s name.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 7:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

Does anyone understand how pins work in Windows 10?

I removed all the junk in hopes that fewer items would make things clearer, but it didn't I pinned a couple things to the start and in order to get to them I need to hit right arrow once and down arrow all the way to the bottom when they should be just down.

Apparently there are folders but I can't understand how they work.

Any help would be great because I would like to start using the start menu.

Thanks,

 

 

 


Re: Accessible Youtube video downloader?

 

Thanks for the suggestions; but is there any accessible Youtube downloader that supports downloading of playlists?


Re: dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

Jacob Kruger
 

http://www.classicshell.net/


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-08-22 7:21 AM, Arlene wrote:

Hi, Where do you get classic shell? I’m asking this shell I end up getting windows ten.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christo Vorster
Sent: August-21-16 10:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hi

 

There is method in the madness of teaching Windows+M and Windows+d.

 

Windows+D maximize the desktop while Windows+M minimize it.

 

I have found that installing Classic Shell is a great help. This make Win10 look like win7.

 

By the way, Classic Shell is free.

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (Worcester South Africa)

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Sunday, 21 August 2016 11:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

I think I figured it out.

The top row is folders and under that is a grid of everything in those folders. The problem is that grid is really strangely shaped and if you press an arrow key you may jump to another folder. Nice thing is it will announce the new folder, but that is also what makes it so confusing.

 

*Note* windows + d also takes you to the desktop like windows + m does, you only need to use one hand though. I've never understood why they teach windows + m when windows + d is easier to do and remember.

Thanks,


 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Jeremy <icu8it2@...> wrote:

Haha, a fun one! First, and apologies to those who may disagree, but it seems to me that currently, the Start menu on 10 with NVDA is slightly less than pleasant to use. :)
I've changed mine up now, I got tired of how crappy it was working for me so I took all the stuff out of the pinned apps area so it no longer shows up, but this is what I was able to figure out.

When you first press the start button and it lands you in the search box, you can press tab, either once or twice and it should take you to a vertical list containing a fairly large number of apps and some of their associated folders. As you arrow up and down here, NVDA will first read the section you come to, so A, B, etc and then under those, read you apps that fall under those sections. As you probably already know, it's here that you can press the applications key and pin said apps to the start menu.

As for the area where Apps actually get pinned, it looks like shift tab is what you want, so doing it from the search box should land you there. It's here that you should be able to use the arrow keys to move up, down, left and right in the grid, but unfortunately, NVDA seems to read things here all weird. As something that looks similar to how IOS likes to create named directories based on the names of the stuff you put in them, as you're moving around here, you'll come to these named sections and can press enter to rename them. As you're moving around here, you'll land on these sections, lets say, Audio and Music just as an example and can sometimes press down or wright and it will start reading you the pinned apps under that section. If you happen to only have one or two things here though, It's sometimes hard to get it to land where you want on the icon or whatever.

I've wondered if it's possible to turn off the structuring of the apps you pin here and just have them in a huge grid, but if so, I've not figured it out.
I'm also not sure if this is something that NVDA just hasn't caught up with and if there are things in the pipe down the road that will make it more friendly, but so far, it is kind of a pain to use. haha

If you play with it though and figure out anything else, I'd certainly be interested.
Take care.

On 8/20/2016 10:17 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:

Hello,

The reason why one uses the start menu is so you don't need to open apps to do things like your calendar, whether, news and stocks. you just arrow over those items and you hear what they are.

Thanks,

 

 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 5:40 AM, Louis Maher <ljmaher@...> wrote:

Hello Brandon,

 

I find it easier to place application shortcuts on the desktop.  This is a two-step process.  Hit the windows key, type in the application name, hit the context menu, find file location and enter on it, hit the context menu and go to the send-to menu.  Hit the desktop option.  Hit windows m to bring you to the desktop, type the first letter of the application, and you will land on it.  Note that on the desktop, once you find a and select  application, you can hit f2 and change the shortcut’s name.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 7:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

Does anyone understand how pins work in Windows 10?

I removed all the junk in hopes that fewer items would make things clearer, but it didn't I pinned a couple things to the start and in order to get to them I need to hit right arrow once and down arrow all the way to the bottom when they should be just down.

Apparently there are folders but I can't understand how they work.

Any help would be great because I would like to start using the start menu.

Thanks,

 

 

 



Re: dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

Arlene
 

Hi, Where do you get classic shell? I’m asking this shell I end up getting windows ten.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christo Vorster
Sent: August-21-16 10:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hi

 

There is method in the madness of teaching Windows+M and Windows+d.

 

Windows+D maximize the desktop while Windows+M minimize it.

 

I have found that installing Classic Shell is a great help. This make Win10 look like win7.

 

By the way, Classic Shell is free.

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (Worcester South Africa)

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Sunday, 21 August 2016 11:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

I think I figured it out.

The top row is folders and under that is a grid of everything in those folders. The problem is that grid is really strangely shaped and if you press an arrow key you may jump to another folder. Nice thing is it will announce the new folder, but that is also what makes it so confusing.

 

*Note* windows + d also takes you to the desktop like windows + m does, you only need to use one hand though. I've never understood why they teach windows + m when windows + d is easier to do and remember.

Thanks,


 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Jeremy <icu8it2@...> wrote:

Haha, a fun one! First, and apologies to those who may disagree, but it seems to me that currently, the Start menu on 10 with NVDA is slightly less than pleasant to use. :)
I've changed mine up now, I got tired of how crappy it was working for me so I took all the stuff out of the pinned apps area so it no longer shows up, but this is what I was able to figure out.

When you first press the start button and it lands you in the search box, you can press tab, either once or twice and it should take you to a vertical list containing a fairly large number of apps and some of their associated folders. As you arrow up and down here, NVDA will first read the section you come to, so A, B, etc and then under those, read you apps that fall under those sections. As you probably already know, it's here that you can press the applications key and pin said apps to the start menu.

As for the area where Apps actually get pinned, it looks like shift tab is what you want, so doing it from the search box should land you there. It's here that you should be able to use the arrow keys to move up, down, left and right in the grid, but unfortunately, NVDA seems to read things here all weird. As something that looks similar to how IOS likes to create named directories based on the names of the stuff you put in them, as you're moving around here, you'll come to these named sections and can press enter to rename them. As you're moving around here, you'll land on these sections, lets say, Audio and Music just as an example and can sometimes press down or wright and it will start reading you the pinned apps under that section. If you happen to only have one or two things here though, It's sometimes hard to get it to land where you want on the icon or whatever.

I've wondered if it's possible to turn off the structuring of the apps you pin here and just have them in a huge grid, but if so, I've not figured it out.
I'm also not sure if this is something that NVDA just hasn't caught up with and if there are things in the pipe down the road that will make it more friendly, but so far, it is kind of a pain to use. haha

If you play with it though and figure out anything else, I'd certainly be interested.
Take care.

On 8/20/2016 10:17 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:

Hello,

The reason why one uses the start menu is so you don't need to open apps to do things like your calendar, whether, news and stocks. you just arrow over those items and you hear what they are.

Thanks,

 

 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 5:40 AM, Louis Maher <ljmaher@...> wrote:

Hello Brandon,

 

I find it easier to place application shortcuts on the desktop.  This is a two-step process.  Hit the windows key, type in the application name, hit the context menu, find file location and enter on it, hit the context menu and go to the send-to menu.  Hit the desktop option.  Hit windows m to bring you to the desktop, type the first letter of the application, and you will land on it.  Note that on the desktop, once you find a and select  application, you can hit f2 and change the shortcut’s name.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 7:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

Does anyone understand how pins work in Windows 10?

I removed all the junk in hopes that fewer items would make things clearer, but it didn't I pinned a couple things to the start and in order to get to them I need to hit right arrow once and down arrow all the way to the bottom when they should be just down.

Apparently there are folders but I can't understand how they work.

Any help would be great because I would like to start using the start menu.

Thanks,

 

 

 


Re: dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

Christo Vorster
 

Hi

 

There is method in the madness of teaching Windows+M and Windows+d.

 

Windows+D maximize the desktop while Windows+M minimize it.

 

I have found that installing Classic Shell is a great help. This make Win10 look like win7.

 

By the way, Classic Shell is free.

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (Worcester South Africa)

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Sunday, 21 August 2016 11:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

I think I figured it out.

The top row is folders and under that is a grid of everything in those folders. The problem is that grid is really strangely shaped and if you press an arrow key you may jump to another folder. Nice thing is it will announce the new folder, but that is also what makes it so confusing.

 

*Note* windows + d also takes you to the desktop like windows + m does, you only need to use one hand though. I've never understood why they teach windows + m when windows + d is easier to do and remember.

Thanks,


 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Jeremy <icu8it2@...> wrote:

Haha, a fun one! First, and apologies to those who may disagree, but it seems to me that currently, the Start menu on 10 with NVDA is slightly less than pleasant to use. :)
I've changed mine up now, I got tired of how crappy it was working for me so I took all the stuff out of the pinned apps area so it no longer shows up, but this is what I was able to figure out.

When you first press the start button and it lands you in the search box, you can press tab, either once or twice and it should take you to a vertical list containing a fairly large number of apps and some of their associated folders. As you arrow up and down here, NVDA will first read the section you come to, so A, B, etc and then under those, read you apps that fall under those sections. As you probably already know, it's here that you can press the applications key and pin said apps to the start menu.

As for the area where Apps actually get pinned, it looks like shift tab is what you want, so doing it from the search box should land you there. It's here that you should be able to use the arrow keys to move up, down, left and right in the grid, but unfortunately, NVDA seems to read things here all weird. As something that looks similar to how IOS likes to create named directories based on the names of the stuff you put in them, as you're moving around here, you'll come to these named sections and can press enter to rename them. As you're moving around here, you'll land on these sections, lets say, Audio and Music just as an example and can sometimes press down or wright and it will start reading you the pinned apps under that section. If you happen to only have one or two things here though, It's sometimes hard to get it to land where you want on the icon or whatever.

I've wondered if it's possible to turn off the structuring of the apps you pin here and just have them in a huge grid, but if so, I've not figured it out.
I'm also not sure if this is something that NVDA just hasn't caught up with and if there are things in the pipe down the road that will make it more friendly, but so far, it is kind of a pain to use. haha

If you play with it though and figure out anything else, I'd certainly be interested.
Take care.

On 8/20/2016 10:17 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:

Hello,

The reason why one uses the start menu is so you don't need to open apps to do things like your calendar, whether, news and stocks. you just arrow over those items and you hear what they are.

Thanks,

 

 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 5:40 AM, Louis Maher <ljmaher@...> wrote:

Hello Brandon,

 

I find it easier to place application shortcuts on the desktop.  This is a two-step process.  Hit the windows key, type in the application name, hit the context menu, find file location and enter on it, hit the context menu and go to the send-to menu.  Hit the desktop option.  Hit windows m to bring you to the desktop, type the first letter of the application, and you will land on it.  Note that on the desktop, once you find a and select  application, you can hit f2 and change the shortcut’s name.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 7:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

Does anyone understand how pins work in Windows 10?

I removed all the junk in hopes that fewer items would make things clearer, but it didn't I pinned a couple things to the start and in order to get to them I need to hit right arrow once and down arrow all the way to the bottom when they should be just down.

Apparently there are folders but I can't understand how they work.

Any help would be great because I would like to start using the start menu.

Thanks,

 

 

 


Re: Accessible Youtube video downloader?

Arlene
 

Hi, try songr it’s pretty good.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Heaven Botma
Sent: August-21-16 9:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Youtube video downloader?

 

Hi

 

Try Video Download Helper for single videos.  It is very accessible and I haven't had any problems yet. 

 

Regards

 

 

 

Heaven Botma

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Supanut Leepaisomboon
Sent: Sunday, 21 August 2016 1:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Youtube video downloader?

 

Hi,

I just gave 4K Video Downloader a try, and...some parts are not that accessible. For instance, NVDA does not announce the video download progress, nor what video that is being downloaded in a playlist. I'm using the latest version of 4K Video Downloader.