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Re: Duplicate topics?

 

I, too, have mentioned this before on multiple occasions.

I can speak definitively, though, to what comes in the digests.

In the Plain digest, at the end of each individual message entry, there is a link that has a text label in front of it that reads, "Reply to this message."  When used it immediately opens the Groups.io page that allows you to reply to a given message, with the message you're replying to shown above the edit box for the subject (which is pre-populated correctly with "Re:" followed by the original thread title) and the edit box below that for your reply.  This is, in my opinion, counterintuitive for someone who wishes to participate by e-mail alone since it throws them into the web interface, but if you know you're there you could use this method.

In the Full-Featured digest there are a group of hyperlinks at the bottom of each message in the digest with the click-through labels:  View this Message, Reply to Group, Reply to Sender, Mute this Thread, and Back to Topics.  The topics for a given full featured digest are all listed at the top.  Full featured digests are in HTML format and need to be viewed in an e-mail client in that manner for all the automatic features related to hyperlinks to work.  What's interesting, though, is that clicking either the "Reply to Group" or "Reply to Sender" options will open up a reply message in the e-mail client of your choice on your computer with the subject appropriately pre-populated so that duplicate threads will be avoided and you can just compose your response there.  This also seems counterintuitive, but really works well for those who prefer to compose in their e-mailer as opposed to the web interface.  The Full-Featured digest is much more functional overall than the plain text digest on many levels and I'd encourage anyone who doesn't insist on having their e-mail converted to plain text before reading to switch over to the full-featured digest if you're a digest user.

I will also add that there exists, in the plain text digests, a click-through link labeled, "Mute this thread," at the bottom of each and every message.  One of the biggest advantages of groups.io, as far as I'm concerned, is the ability to mute any given thread you never wish to see anything from again, and it could not be more simple to do.  I encourage people to avail themselves of this new feature when they encounter any thread that does not interest them and for which they would prefer not to receive any additional messages going forward.

I would have to believe that the "Mute this thread" link is included in individual message e-mails, too, but cannot speak to that definitively since I have only ever had digests sent, and stopped that when I started using the web interface (other than to turn it on occasionally to see if anything might have changed format wise).  The digests I used in making the above statements are less than 2 weeks old, so their respective formats are current.

Brian


Re: IMPORTANT: This list is now under emergency mode #adminnotice

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Joseph and all,

I would like to apologize for my part in off-topic posts. I know I have
strong opinions about certain things but from now on I'll try to keep them
to myself.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: Christo Vorster [mailto:christo.vorster@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 1:29 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] IMPORTANT: This list is now under emergency mode
#AdminNotice #ModNotice

Hello Joseph, and list



I am one of the guilty parties and wish to apologise if my posts was out of
line as far as this list is concerned. I will refrain from off topic
discussions in futere.



Having said that, I support the suggestion of a possible sub-list to be used
for off topic chats.



Cheers



Christo



From: Joseph Lee [mailto:@joslee]
Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2016 8:04 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] IMPORTANT: This list is now under emergency mode
#AdminNotice #ModNotice



Dear members of the NVDA community and members of this forum:



First, thank you for your valuable posts for the past few days.



It has been brought to our attention that we're straying way off topic from
the purpose of this forum, stemming from a discussion that the moderator has
intervened. A few hours later, someone started discussing a topic that
didn't fit the subject line to a point where we've started discussing other
topics.



For the past few hours, Joseph Lee (the moderator/associate owner) was
debating whether to declare an emergency, a first of its kind for this
forum. An emergency mode means all off-topic posts are closed immediately.
He says that, as the chair of the committee in charge of NVDACon
preparations, he felt uneasy regarding this, seeing that this could have an
impact on the reputation of NVDA, NVDACon and this forum.



Thus, Joseph Lee says:



I, Joseph Lee, seeing the current situation on the NVDA list and due to an
important event that'll take place in less than 48 hours from now, hereby
declare that an emergency exists in NVDA International Users Forum. Any
off-topic subjects discussed for the past few hours, shortly after the
moderator's declaration on April 18, 2016, are hereby nullified (threads
closed). This emergency will be lifted once the leadership team (Nimer Jaber
and Joseph Lee) determine that the conditions for emergency mode is no more.



Joseph speaking:



On mailing lists I'm a moderator of, I usually allow some off-topic posts.
But what we saw for the past few hours has been something that is beyond
words. Perhaps I'm feeling the stress while organizing NVDACon 2016 (which
has been in the works for the past six months), perhaps I'm feeling academic
stress, perhaps I'm worried too much about the reputation of this forum and
what not. For the past few days, I've been thinking about current state of
this community and what we can do to make it better, as well as to help NV
Access and other members of the NVDA community have a joyful year throughout
2016 as we celebrate NVDA's tenth anniversary. To put it bluntly, I'm very
disappointed at the state of NVDA International Users Forum, and to put it
nicely, we're in the danger of alienating potential community members due to
our conduct (and some people did leave our list). If this happened at
another time, it would have ended with a letter; but we're living in the eve
of NVDA Users and Developers Conference 2016 (tenth Anniversary Edition), an
important event that'll serve as an important occasion for each and every
one of us to unite under NVDA, its history, future potential and celebrating
its features. To find an international forum conducting ourselves like this
at the eve of this important event is, to me, a huge public relations
disaster (and I'm not saying this lightly).



At this moment I'd like to kindly ask that we ask ourselves the following:
how did this happen, why is this happening, and what can we do?



Thus, for the sake of NV Access, rest of the NVDA community, NVDACon
organizers and for other users around the world, I'd like to sincerely
request that we show ourselves as model users and community members
throughout NVDACon days and beyond (like many of you, I'd like to see
NVDACon become a successful gathering).



If you have any questions, commetns or concerns regarding the emergency
mode, please let Nimer and I (Joseph Lee) now via email at
nvda+owner@groups.io <mailto:nvda+owner@groups.io> . Thank you.



Sincerely,

Joseph S. Lee

Moderator, NVDA International Users Forum

Translator, code contributor and community add-ons reviewer, NVDA screen
reader project

Chair, NVDA Tenth Anniversary Planning Committee


Re: resume reading Word 2016

 

Hi,

To activate the resume reading option, try pressing the f6 keys until NVDA announces the resume reading button, and then activate the button by pressing either space bar or enter.


resume reading Word 2016

slery <slerythema@...>
 

In word 2016, when I open a document that I had previously opened, there is a brief dialog about resuming reading. How do actually activate this option?

 

Cindy


Re: Duplicate topics?

 

I agree. Since moving from Freelists, I quit using email as a way to send messages to the NVDA users list. Instead I used the web interface of Groups.io.

Also, I just browsed and look in the threads with 'espeak' as the subject line, and it seems that those threads are created by new email messages, rather than replies to previous messages as the button to show quoted messages is absent. Though what you said about digest mode might be true, I can't varify it myself as I set my setting to email individual messages, and to only email the first message within a thread.


Re: Duplicate topics?

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Nutt,
I believe that those receiving mails in digest mode have to
compulsorily create a new thread while replying. However, this issue
too can be worked around if one is replying via the reasonably usable
interface of mailing and replying on groups.io itself.
I heartily agree that posting methodologies and ways employed by many
members on the NVDA Users International forum must be enhanced for
optimal smoothness and ease in communication and discussion.
I would also like to sincerely request that we temporarily cease such
subjective discussion about a topic as speech synthesizers and related
comparisons. Although text to speech engines to form an integral
component of a screen reader, this topic has generated more off-topic
contraversial mails than it is worth, and I appeal to all to pause
these discussions temporarily, and allow for the fullest blooming,
participation and cooperate to attain a successful NVDA conference,
which is useful for not only users, but I would like to believe also
developers, and all others interested in NVDA in between.
Sincerely hoping to meet many of you in NVDACon International 2016
Users and Developers Conference 10th Anniversary edition!
Thanks.

On 4/20/16, Supanut Leepaisomboon <@supanut2000> wrote:
Hi all,

For the past few days I started to notice that there are multiple threads
with exactly the same or very similar subject line. For example, I see
multiple threads with the subject 'espeak' as the subject line.

I wonder...why do people have to create multiple threads with exactly the
same subject line? For instance, there should be only a single thread with
the 'Espeak' subject line, and all discussion about Espeak should be in that
thread.
--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09


Re: Requesting "The Qube" DownLoad Link

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I learned about this twitter client on another list even though I don't use
twitter myself.

-----Original Message-----
From: Christo Vorster [mailto:christo.vorster@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 5:03 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Requesting "The Qube" DownLoad Link

Thanks Rosemarie. Strange that I didn't know it, I don't use Twitter

Regards

-----Original Message-----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria [mailto:knitqueen2007@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2016 6:27 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Requesting "The Qube" DownLoad Link

It's a twitter client.



-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Canazzi [mailto:aa2vm@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 9:24 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Requesting "The Qube" DownLoad Link

Hi Group,

Forgive me for being ignorant, but just what kind of program is the Cube?


On 4/19/2016 6:14 PM, David Moore wrote:
You can just install the new version right over the old version LOL!
If
that does not work, then you can uninstall the old version. One thing I
forgot to mansion! You have to go to the short cut on the desktop and press
applications key and up arrow to properties and find the check box that says
run as administrator and check that in order for the Qube to work. That is
very important. Take care all.


From: Jamie Prater
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 6:09 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Requesting "The Qube" DownLoad Link

Do you have to uninstall the current version of the cube or can you
install like other software?



From: David Moore [mailto:jesusloves1966@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 4:50 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Requesting "The Qube" DownLoad Link



Hello James and all,

Here is the link to the Qube web site to get the Qube for free. Works
great all the way through win10. Here is the link.

http://theqube.oire.org/29





From: James Robinson

Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 11:26 AM

To: nvda@groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Requesting "The Qube" DownLoad Link



Hello David Moore!



I would like to have the link to get the Qube. Thanks for your help.


Sincerely,


James Arthur Robinson, Sr., President
Jardata Corporation


--
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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Duplicate topics?

 

Hi all,

For the past few days I started to notice that there are multiple threads with exactly the same or very similar subject line. For example, I see multiple threads with the subject 'espeak' as the subject line.

I wonder...why do people have to create multiple threads with exactly the same subject line? For instance, there should be only a single thread with the 'Espeak' subject line, and all discussion about Espeak should be in that thread.


Re: NVDA AND APPLE

 

If you got a Mac, there's no need for NVDA. Apple's VoiceOver should work just fine; it worked amazingly on an iPhone, so on a Mac it should work good too. Plus by default VoiceOver supports over 20 languages for its synth.


Re: NVDA and google chrome

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I prefer internet explorer or firefox.

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Kennedy [mailto:joshknnd1982@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 6:20 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and google chrome

I noticed with NVDA and google chrome that NVDA does not say when or if objects are clickable like it does in firefox. Is there a way to change this in NVDA's behavior? i do have report if objects are clickable turned on and checked. do any of you use chrome as your default browser or do you still prefer internet explorer or firefox when using NVDA? is chrome good as a default browser with NVDA yet or not?


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Re: espeak

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I second that. Don't get rid of e-speak. It's fast and responsive.

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Kennedy [mailto:joshknnd1982@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 6:30 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] espeak

no don't get rid of espeak! keep espeak but 1. improve edward and 2.
make edward the default voice and 3. let the edward ;voice be tweaked to make more klatt variants and 4. let edward voice have all pronunciation abilities of non-klatt espeak.

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Re: espeak

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I'm using Max and to me he's the clearest of all the voices.

-----Original Message-----
From: Eigeldinger Simon [mailto:simon.eigeldinger@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 6:39 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: AW: [nvda] espeak

I think maxi s the most neutral voice.
I used edward for a while but had to change back to max.
I think this is a user preference and should be changed by the user.
Speechplayer also can be installed by the user.


Mit freundlichen Grüßen

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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Josh Kennedy [mailto:joshknnd1982@...]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. April 2016 15:30
An: nvda@groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] espeak

no don't get rid of espeak! keep espeak but 1. improve edward and 2.
make edward the default voice and 3. let the edward ;voice be tweaked to make more klatt variants and 4. let edward voice have all pronunciation abilities of non-klatt espeak.

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Re: topics straying out of NVDA territory

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

A chat group would be great. I too used to be on one years ago but there was
a lot of traffic on that one so I left.

-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss [mailto:@smeveriss]
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 10:52 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] topics straying out of NVDA territory

Why didn't I think of that.
I do think an offtopic group for debates and other stuff would be a good
idea.
I also think issues should be aired.
If one is created I'll vote for it.
Thanks for that travis I had forgot about that, I used to belong to a chat
group but there was to much traffic on it so quit but I do enjoy this, I am
just waiting for it to close but yeah your idea so you bring it to the mods
and see what they say.
You have a suppoorter at any rate.



On 20/04/2016 4:59 p.m., Kwork wrote:
I'm noticing that we're straying away on many of these discussions from
actually discussing NVDA. With groups.io, sub groups can be created.
Moderators, just a suggestion: what about creating an NVDA chat subgroup for
those who are members of this list, and who want to keep things off topic
for the main list? I personally don't mind using my delete key, but would
rather use it for topics I'm just not interested in rather than trying to
figure out which topics of departed from actual NVDA discussion. Just a
suggestion.
Travis


Re: NVDA AND APPLE

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Hello,

NVDA requires an instalation of windows.  There are several ways to install windows on a mac.  The two most common are to use the bootcamp system which apple supplies free for this very purpose, or to purchase and install VMware fusion.  I want to run linux on my mac as well as windows and I enjoy the high level of integration offered by fusion.  Thus, the expense has been worth it for me.

In order to make the most of NVDA on a mac, you will want to disable the expos`e keys and the launchpad keys.  You will also wish to install karabiner keyboard manager on your mac so that you can add the number pad functionality to the mac keyboard for use with NVDA as well  as pass through the caps lock key to windows so that NVDA can use it as a modifier.

I have abandoned all commercial windows screen reading products in favour of NVDA for the limitted times when I need to use windows.  It works very well.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf


On Apr 20, 2016, at 9:41 AM, Christo Vorster <christo.vorster@...> wrote:

Hi list
 
While talking to someone regarding the use of NVDA, the question cam up whether NVDA would function with Apple Macintosh. I have my doubts, but no reason for it, probably just very little outside the Apple family works with Macintosh.
 
Please inform me?
 
Regards
 
Christo Vorster (also from South Africa)


Re: NVDA Not Working on Web Sites

P. Otter
 

some times i have the same, but restart nvda is the solution for that kind of problems in most cases after a restart nvda works fine again.
cheers
paul otter

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich De Steno" <ironrock@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 2:26 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Not Working on Web Sites


Suddenly, this morning, NVDA cannot read web sites. When I press tab, I keep hearing "unknown" and I cannot move around on the page. Everything else seems to work normally, such as Email, Notepad, TW Blue, and my other usual programs. I had a sighted person confirm that the web pages look normal and can be navigated normally with the mouse. It appears as if some keyboard change has taken place interfering with NVDA's functioning, but I cannot figure this one out. I am using the current version of NVDA and Windows 10. This occurs both in Firefox and IE. Any ideas?

--
Rich De Steno



Re: NVDA AND APPLE

 

Christo,

          That depends on how, exactly, you define "would function with an Apple Macintosh."  I do not know of a version of NVDA that is designed to run under OS X proper (much like JAWS, ZoomText [if you want the Reader-Magnifier version], and Window Eyes).  However, if one installs a virtual Windows environment on a Mac you can run Windows-based software on the machine and be able to "flip-flop" easily between the virtual Windows environment and native OS X environment via Mission Control.

          Wine is one of the most commonly used virtual Windows environments, there are many others, and there's even WineBottler which allows you to tuck Windows applications into the OS X environment.

Brian


Re: ESpeak

Angela Delicata
 

What I really do not like about espeak is the sound of r in my
language: the letter is spoken very different in Italian.
It is not like the French r.

Please, if you could try to solve this.
Hope I was clear as I don't know how to better explain that.
Thank you.
Angela from Italy

Il 20/04/2016 15:26, Josh Kennedy ha scritto:
I would love the speech player edward voice to support all of espeak's
phonemes and languages as well as the default voice. I like klatt
voices. but my issue with klatt edward is that it does not have all the
phonemes of original espeak. please fix this because i really like the
edward voice and wish i could just use it in any espeak-supported language!
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NVDA AND APPLE

Christo Vorster
 

Hi list

 

While talking to someone regarding the use of NVDA, the question cam up whether NVDA would function with Apple Macintosh. I have my doubts, but no reason for it, probably just very little outside the Apple family works with Macintosh.

 

Please inform me?

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (also from South Africa)


AW: espeak

Eigeldinger Simon <simon.eigeldinger@...>
 

I think maxi s the most neutral voice.
I used edward for a while but had to change back to max.
I think this is a user preference and should be changed by the user.
Speechplayer also can be installed by the user.


Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Simon Eigeldinger
Sekretariat Nebengebäude 2
Nebengebäude 2, OG1
-------------------------
Stadt Hohenems
Kaiser-Franz-Josef-Straße 4
6845 Hohenems
Österreich
Tel.: +43 (0)5576/7101-1211
Fax: +43 (0)5576/7101-1119
E-Mail: simon.eigeldinger@...
Web: www.hohenems.at

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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Josh Kennedy [mailto:joshknnd1982@...]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. April 2016 15:30
An: nvda@groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] espeak

no don't get rid of espeak! keep espeak but 1. improve edward and 2.
make edward the default voice and 3. let the edward ;voice be tweaked to
make more klatt variants and 4. let edward voice have all pronunciation
abilities of non-klatt espeak.

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espeak

Josh Kennedy
 

no don't get rid of espeak! keep espeak but 1. improve edward and 2. make edward the default voice and 3. let the edward ;voice be tweaked to make more klatt variants and 4. let edward voice have all pronunciation abilities of non-klatt espeak.

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