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Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Lino Morales
 

I really think Michael and James need to look into getting rid of ESpeak in favor of another open source synth either created by them or someone else. I posted my reasons why yesterday and won't bore with that again.

On 4/20/2016 3:47 PM, Laurie Mehta via Groups.io wrote:
I am confused...
I began noticing several e-mails defending E Speak and am wondering what brought the issue up in the first place?

Many great reasons have already been given in favor of E Speak and I agree with all of them. I hope that there is not actually any consideration being given of dropping E Speak from NVDA. (smile)
-LM

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 4/20/16, Christo de Klerk <christodeklerk@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK
To: nvda@groups.io
Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2016, 8:29 AM
Hello from another South
African
eSpeak has some
features not found in other synthesisers which, in my
view, make it an essential synthesiser to have
around. It is the only
one I know which can
pronounce the International Phonetic Alphabet and
the Greek alphabet when using an English voice,
which is extremely
important for anyone
interested in linguistics. It reads diacritic
characters correctly which expensive
synthesisers like Ivona cannot even
do.
Apart from these linguistic features, eSpeak must be just
about the
most responsive synthesiser. It
also probably is the most accurate in
its
pronunciation of any synthesiser I know; in other words, it
mispronounces fewer words than other
synthesisers do. I think the author
of
eSpeak, Jonathan Duddington, did a truly wonderful job with
eSpeak.
Another point: if
you don't particularly care for the default voices
used by eSpeak, you can install and use the
MBrola voices which are also
supported by
eSpeak and which can pronounce everything eSpeak does.
These voices have a very natural sound. I use
the UK English voice.
Installing MBrola is
admittedly a mission, but once installed they
definitely are worth the trouble.
Kind regards
Other Christo (by the way, it
is not true that half the men in South
Africa are called Christo).
On 2016/04/20 1:15 PM, Jacob
Kruger wrote:
> Christo,
>
> Am also based in SA,
and, yes, eSpeak is my choice when using NVDA,
> partly due to it handling multiple
languages, but, also, since while
>
it's not particularly natural sounding, it is definitely
very
> clear-sounding, makes it easy to
be pretty sure what you're hearing it
> say, etc. - which is also pretty important
when working as a
> programmer/software
developer.
>
> In
other words, while understand why some people might prefer
somewhat
> natural sounding voices,
they're definitely not of too much interest
> to some of us, all the
time...<smile>
>
> Stay well
>
> Jacob Kruger
> Blind
Biker
> Skype: BlindZA
> "Roger Wilco wants to welcome
you...to the space janitor's closet..."
>
> On 2016-04-20 10:53
AM, Christo Vorster wrote:
>> Hi
list
>>
>> I do
not necessarily agree with the idea to do away with ESpeak.
I
>> believe that is a case of
"horses for causes."
>>
>> In South Africa, more specifically, at
the Institute for the Blind in
>>
Worcester where I am a lecturer, we extensively use ESpeak
to read
>> Afrikaans. And may I say,
the quality of ESpeak's Afrikaans is actually
>> very good.
>>
>> I won't mind if the developers do
away with ESpeak, but before that
>>
happens I want definite proof that the replacement program
has, at
>> least, the same quality,
preferably, better.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Christo
>>
>>
>
>
>


Problems with a website for the uk

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If anyone out there is on Streetlife, then have you managed to actually write or reply to any messages? When i go in with firefox and nvda. i do not seem to find the edit areas or any way to enter text. There are some letters like i etc, but unless somebody can explain what I'm supposed to do it looks very hard if not impossible to use for us, which would be a shame.
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Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Laurie Mehta
 

I am confused...
I began noticing several e-mails defending E Speak and am wondering what brought the issue up in the first place?

Many great reasons have already been given in favor of E Speak and I agree with all of them. I hope that there is not actually any consideration being given of dropping E Speak from NVDA. (smile)
-LM

--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 4/20/16, Christo de Klerk <christodeklerk@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK
To: nvda@groups.io
Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2016, 8:29 AM

Hello from another South
African

eSpeak has some
features not found in other synthesisers which, in my
view, make it an essential synthesiser to have
around. It is the only
one I know which can
pronounce the International Phonetic Alphabet and
the Greek alphabet when using an English voice,
which is extremely
important for anyone
interested in linguistics. It reads diacritic
characters correctly which expensive
synthesisers like Ivona cannot even
do.
Apart from these linguistic features, eSpeak must be just
about the
most responsive synthesiser. It
also probably is the most accurate in
its
pronunciation of any synthesiser I know; in other words, it

mispronounces fewer words than other
synthesisers do. I think the author
of
eSpeak, Jonathan Duddington, did a truly wonderful job with
eSpeak.

Another point: if
you don't particularly care for the default voices
used by eSpeak, you can install and use the
MBrola voices which are also
supported by
eSpeak and which can pronounce everything eSpeak does.
These voices have a very natural sound. I use
the UK English voice.
Installing MBrola is
admittedly a mission, but once installed they
definitely are worth the trouble.

Kind regards

Other Christo (by the way, it
is not true that half the men in South
Africa are called Christo).





On 2016/04/20 1:15 PM, Jacob
Kruger wrote:
> Christo,
>
> Am also based in SA,
and, yes, eSpeak is my choice when using NVDA,
> partly due to it handling multiple
languages, but, also, since while
>
it's not particularly natural sounding, it is definitely
very
> clear-sounding, makes it easy to
be pretty sure what you're hearing it
> say, etc. - which is also pretty important
when working as a
> programmer/software
developer.
>
> In
other words, while understand why some people might prefer
somewhat
> natural sounding voices,
they're definitely not of too much interest
> to some of us, all the
time...<smile>
>
> Stay well
>
> Jacob Kruger
> Blind
Biker
> Skype: BlindZA
> "Roger Wilco wants to welcome
you...to the space janitor's closet..."
>
> On 2016-04-20 10:53
AM, Christo Vorster wrote:
>> Hi
list
>>
>> I do
not necessarily agree with the idea to do away with ESpeak.
I
>> believe that is a case of
"horses for causes."
>>
>> In South Africa, more specifically, at
the Institute for the Blind in
>>
Worcester where I am a lecturer, we extensively use ESpeak
to read
>> Afrikaans. And may I say,
the quality of ESpeak's Afrikaans is actually
>> very good.
>>
>> I won't mind if the developers do
away with ESpeak, but before that
>>
happens I want definite proof that the replacement program
has, at
>> least, the same quality,
preferably, better.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Christo
>>
>>
>
>
>


Re: IMPORTANT: This list is now under emergency mode #adminnotice

Scott VanDeWalle
 

Hello, I have thought about this muchly for the past few, well since this list was ported over to groups.io.
I do agree that we need a sublist for offtopic messages and just sillyness and carrying on.
Yet at the same time we'd have to keep some sort of a way to track so that nobody could knowingly send us off to some link somewhere that would contain a virus.
Notice i said knowingly, i know sometimes its bound to happen.

Anyway, that is just my idea.
Have a nice day all.

Scott

On 4/20/2016 4:28 AM, Christo Vorster wrote:

Hello Joseph, and list

 

I am one of the guilty parties and wish to apologise if my posts was out of line as far as this list is concerned. I will refrain from off topic discussions in futere.

 

Having said that, I support the suggestion of a possible sub-list to be used for off topic chats.

 

Cheers

 

Christo

 

From: Joseph Lee [mailto:joseph.lee22590@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2016 8:04 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] IMPORTANT: This list is now under emergency mode #AdminNotice #ModNotice

 

Dear members of the NVDA community and members of this forum:

 

First, thank you for your valuable posts for the past few days.

 

It has been brought to our attention that we’re straying way off topic from the purpose of this forum, stemming from a discussion that the moderator has intervened. A few hours later, someone started discussing a topic that didn’t fit the subject line to a point where we’ve started discussing other topics.

 

For the past few hours, Joseph Lee (the moderator/associate owner) was debating whether to declare an emergency, a first of its kind for this forum. An emergency mode means all off-topic posts are closed immediately. He says that, as the chair of the committee in charge of NVDACon preparations, he felt uneasy regarding this, seeing that this could have an impact on the reputation of NVDA, NVDACon and this forum.

 

Thus, Joseph Lee says:

 

I, Joseph Lee, seeing the current situation on the NVDA list and due to an important event that’ll take place in less than 48 hours from now, hereby declare that an emergency exists in NVDA International Users Forum. Any off-topic subjects discussed for the past few hours, shortly after the moderator’s declaration on April 18, 2016, are hereby nullified (threads closed). This emergency will be lifted once the leadership team (Nimer Jaber and Joseph Lee) determine that the conditions for emergency mode is no more.

 

Joseph speaking:

 

On mailing lists I’m a moderator of, I usually allow some off-topic posts. But what we saw for the past few hours has been something that is beyond words. Perhaps I’m feeling the stress while organizing NVDACon 2016 (which has been in the works for the past six months), perhaps I’m feeling academic stress, perhaps I’m worried too much about the reputation of this forum and what not. For the past few days, I’ve been thinking about current state of this community and what we can do to make it better, as well as to help NV Access and other members of the NVDA community have a joyful year throughout 2016 as we celebrate NVDA’s tenth anniversary. To put it bluntly, I’m very disappointed at the state of NVDA International Users Forum, and to put it nicely, we’re in the danger of alienating potential community members due to our conduct (and some people did leave our list). If this happened at another time, it would have ended with a letter; but we’re living in the eve of NVDA Users and Developers Conference 2016 (tenth Anniversary Edition), an important event that’ll serve as an important occasion for each and every one of us to unite under NVDA, its history, future potential and celebrating its features. To find an international forum conducting ourselves like this at the eve of this important event is, to me, a huge public relations disaster (and I’m not saying this lightly).

 

At this moment I’d like to kindly ask that we ask ourselves the following: how did this happen, why is this happening, and what can we do?

 

Thus, for the sake of NV Access, rest of the NVDA community, NVDACon organizers and for other users around the world, I’d like to sincerely request that we show ourselves as model users and community members throughout NVDACon days and beyond (like many of you, I’d like to see NVDACon become a successful gathering).

 

If you have any questions, commetns or concerns regarding the emergency mode, please let Nimer and I (Joseph Lee) now via email at nvda+owner@groups.io. Thank you.

 

Sincerely,

Joseph S. Lee

Moderator, NVDA International Users Forum

Translator, code contributor and community add-ons reviewer, NVDA screen reader project

Chair, NVDA Tenth Anniversary Planning Committee

 



Re: espeak

Lino Morales
 

They all are horrid.

On 4/20/2016 11:52 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I'm using Max and to me he's the clearest of all the voices.



-----Original Message-----
From: Eigeldinger Simon [mailto:simon.eigeldinger@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 6:39 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: AW: [nvda] espeak

I think maxi s the most neutral voice.
I used edward for a while but had to change back to max.
I think this is a user preference and should be changed by the user.
Speechplayer also can be installed by the user.


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Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. April 2016 15:30
An: nvda@groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] espeak

no don't get rid of espeak! keep espeak but 1. improve edward and 2.
make edward the default voice and 3. let the edward ;voice be tweaked to make more klatt variants and 4. let edward voice have all pronunciation abilities of non-klatt espeak.

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Re: NVDA Not Working on Web Sites

Carlos
 

    Hello:
    Whenever a program is uninstalled there is always the risk of unregistering .dll's.
    MS Office has a number of accessibility related .dll's which when uninstalled will cause NVDA a lot of issues.  That's why there should always be a restore point created and a  image backup made of the drive.
    hope this helps?

On 4/20/2016 11:45 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
I have had this happen on a system that after uninstalling office 2010 it did this all web content gone.
On another system it did the same thing but when I loaded office 2013 it fixed the issue so removing office must have done something.
The system is due for a full workout in august and strip down as its full of old programs and so in august I plan to strip it down and this will include a full reformat and refresh of the os.
I have found no way to fix this issue and not even ms knows what to do.



On 21/04/2016 12:26 a.m., Rich De Steno wrote:
Suddenly, this morning, NVDA cannot read web sites.  When I press tab, I
keep hearing "unknown" and I cannot move around on the page. Everything
else seems to work normally, such as Email, Notepad, TW Blue, and my
other usual programs.  I had a sighted person confirm that the web pages
look normal and can be navigated normally with the mouse.  It appears as
if some keyboard change has taken place interfering with NVDA's
functioning, but I cannot figure this one out.  I am using the current
version of NVDA and Windows 10.  This occurs both in Firefox and IE. Any
ideas?





-- 
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Re: IMPORTANT: Emergency mode lifted, two subgroups created, important information for those filtering via email addresses

 

Well its good there is a chat group joseph.
The reason I got off the other one was that to many jokes/ viruses/ audio mp3s etc were sent round.
I was also on a books/ file sharing list and eventually there was to much coming through.
I think if there is to be a rule for the chat we should keep descussions to text, and I guess website links are fine but no attachments though links to folders of things would be ok.
And we should also adopt the same piracy stuff rules from here to.
This will avoid virus related malware things in general.
Thanks for taking my suggestion, I did send it but it was travis idea to be honest.
I just chatted and chatted and waited for it to be closed.
I had forgotten about the subs.
Thanks for that, I am on both now.

On 21/04/2016 7:05 a.m., Joseph Lee wrote:
Dear NVDA community and NVDA users group members:



I hereby declare the termination of emergency mode in place for the last few
hours.



After receiving comments from concerned members, it was decided to create
two subgroups:

* Chat lounge: Used to discuss topics that doesn't really belong to
NVDA forum. Subscription address is nvda+chat+subscribe@groups.io.

* List matters: For discussion of list policies. Subscription
address is nvda+listmatters+subscribe@groups.io
<mailto:nvda+listmatters+subscribe@groups.io> .

* In regards to NVDACon posts: they are in fact on topic.



Also, you may have noticed a different "from:" address. This is the side
effect of using subgroups in Groups.IO. If you were using email addresses as
filter data, please change it to nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> . Posting to the old address (nvda@groups.io
<mailto:nvda@groups.io> ) will still work.



Lastly, although we now have a dedicated chat subgroup, it'll not completely
replace various chat mailing lists out there.



I'd like to take this time to apologize for errors in my own conduct.



Sincerely,

Joseph






Re: NVDA Not Working on Web Sites

 

No thank god I hate wireless batteries are fine but they always run out on you, then again I hate corded devices to.
Thing is this board is a military grade mechanical organic, its designed for rough treatment and its durable.
So if A key physically broke I think I would notice.

On 21/04/2016 7:15 a.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Is it a wireless keyboard and mouse? I hate those with a passion as this
sort of thing seems to occur with them as they get old. No idea why.
I have also found that you definitely need to take the mouse off of some
machines as the light from lighting in a room can wobble the pixels its
pointed at which we can't see of course.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Not Working on Web Sites


My issue is not so much websites on my system but that sometimes for
no reason the nvda key gets stuck and nvda needs to be ended and
restarted.
Sometimes nvda will just suddenly loose focus or keys will execute or
sometimes not work until I press them again.
Ofcause once I test out the keyboard in training mode its recieving
commands just peachy but it can get a bit bad at times.
Its enough that I wander what is going on but not enough to make me
wander.
Ofcause this mechanical board has firmware I may try to update that.



On 21/04/2016 12:26 a.m., Rich De Steno wrote:
Suddenly, this morning, NVDA cannot read web sites. When I press tab, I
keep hearing "unknown" and I cannot move around on the page. Everything
else seems to work normally, such as Email, Notepad, TW Blue, and my
other usual programs. I had a sighted person confirm that the web pages
look normal and can be navigated normally with the mouse. It appears as
if some keyboard change has taken place interfering with NVDA's
functioning, but I cannot figure this one out. I am using the current
version of NVDA and Windows 10. This occurs both in Firefox and IE. Any
ideas?




Re: NVDA Not Working on Web Sites

 

brian can you give me a link to this fixit?
its something I'd like my records.
To be honest if I can avoid reformatting that would be good though its not the only thing.
Due to the 3 licence key being used on 3 units it needs me to ring ms to reset.
If I can fix this then that would be fine.
pass me the link on or off list if you wish.

On 21/04/2016 7:13 a.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I downloaded a fixit patch from Microsoft for one of these occurrences,
so it might be worth a look over there. It seems there is a file which
is unregistred or vectored to the wrong place under certain
circumstances when uninstalling office. this only affects access
software, sighted folk usually notice no difference, which I guess, is
how it got missed.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Not Working on Web Sites


I have had this happen on a system that after uninstalling office 2010
it did this all web content gone.
On another system it did the same thing but when I loaded office 2013
it fixed the issue so removing office must have done something.
The system is due for a full workout in august and strip down as its
full of old programs and so in august I plan to strip it down and this
will include a full reformat and refresh of the os.
I have found no way to fix this issue and not even ms knows what to do.



On 21/04/2016 12:26 a.m., Rich De Steno wrote:
Suddenly, this morning, NVDA cannot read web sites. When I press tab, I
keep hearing "unknown" and I cannot move around on the page. Everything
else seems to work normally, such as Email, Notepad, TW Blue, and my
other usual programs. I had a sighted person confirm that the web pages
look normal and can be navigated normally with the mouse. It appears as
if some keyboard change has taken place interfering with NVDA's
functioning, but I cannot figure this one out. I am using the current
version of NVDA and Windows 10. This occurs both in Firefox and IE. Any
ideas?




Re: NVDA Not Working on Web Sites

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

Is it a wireless keyboard and mouse? I hate those with a passion as this sort of thing seems to occur with them as they get old. No idea why.
I have also found that you definitely need to take the mouse off of some machines as the light from lighting in a room can wobble the pixels its pointed at which we can't see of course.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Not Working on Web Sites


My issue is not so much websites on my system but that sometimes for no reason the nvda key gets stuck and nvda needs to be ended and restarted.
Sometimes nvda will just suddenly loose focus or keys will execute or sometimes not work until I press them again.
Ofcause once I test out the keyboard in training mode its recieving commands just peachy but it can get a bit bad at times.
Its enough that I wander what is going on but not enough to make me wander.
Ofcause this mechanical board has firmware I may try to update that.



On 21/04/2016 12:26 a.m., Rich De Steno wrote:
Suddenly, this morning, NVDA cannot read web sites. When I press tab, I
keep hearing "unknown" and I cannot move around on the page. Everything
else seems to work normally, such as Email, Notepad, TW Blue, and my
other usual programs. I had a sighted person confirm that the web pages
look normal and can be navigated normally with the mouse. It appears as
if some keyboard change has taken place interfering with NVDA's
functioning, but I cannot figure this one out. I am using the current
version of NVDA and Windows 10. This occurs both in Firefox and IE. Any
ideas?


Re: NVDA Not Working on Web Sites

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

I downloaded a fixit patch from Microsoft for one of these occurrences, so it might be worth a look over there. It seems there is a file which is unregistred or vectored to the wrong place under certain circumstances when uninstalling office. this only affects access software, sighted folk usually notice no difference, which I guess, is how it got missed.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Not Working on Web Sites


I have had this happen on a system that after uninstalling office 2010 it did this all web content gone.
On another system it did the same thing but when I loaded office 2013 it fixed the issue so removing office must have done something.
The system is due for a full workout in august and strip down as its full of old programs and so in august I plan to strip it down and this will include a full reformat and refresh of the os.
I have found no way to fix this issue and not even ms knows what to do.



On 21/04/2016 12:26 a.m., Rich De Steno wrote:
Suddenly, this morning, NVDA cannot read web sites. When I press tab, I
keep hearing "unknown" and I cannot move around on the page. Everything
else seems to work normally, such as Email, Notepad, TW Blue, and my
other usual programs. I had a sighted person confirm that the web pages
look normal and can be navigated normally with the mouse. It appears as
if some keyboard change has taken place interfering with NVDA's
functioning, but I cannot figure this one out. I am using the current
version of NVDA and Windows 10. This occurs both in Firefox and IE. Any
ideas?


Re: remote desktop

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Simple answer is no for all screenreaders as far as i'm aware or there would be no need for Jaws tandem or nvda remote add ons.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Luke Scholey" <lukescholey@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 6:51 PM
Subject: [nvda] remote desktop


Hi all,
I am thinking of getting a VPS or possibly even a dedicated server for my small business. one of the main ways of connecting to virtual servers is through remote desktop connection if the server is windows.
My question is, does Microsoft's remote desktop connection work with NVDA and how well? I want to be able to basically navigate the server as if I were sat in front of it like normal, is this possible?
Thanks,
Luke


Re: Duplicate topics?

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

I've not seen this, but in a perfect world of course, but I think its because in the case of Espeak or any other synth for that matter, it may not be obvious to a poster that a thread already exists and they may well be talking about a different aspect. This is why it often pays to be a little bit more verbose on the subject line, so you could have Espeak, issues over german pronounciation and Espeak seems to be very raspy on my HP laptop or whatever.


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Supanut Leepaisomboon" <@supanut2000>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 5:03 PM
Subject: [nvda] Duplicate topics?


Hi all,

For the past few days I started to notice that there are multiple threads with exactly the same or very similar subject line. For example, I see multiple threads with the subject 'espeak' as the subject line.

I wonder...why do people have to create multiple threads with exactly the same subject line? For instance, there should be only a single thread with the 'Espeak' subject line, and all discussion about Espeak should be in that thread.


IMPORTANT: Emergency mode lifted, two subgroups created, important information for those filtering via email addresses

 

Dear NVDA community and NVDA users group members:

 

I hereby declare the termination of emergency mode in place for the last few hours.

 

After receiving comments from concerned members, it was decided to create two subgroups:

·         Chat lounge: Used to discuss topics that doesn’t really belong to NVDA forum. Subscription address is nvda+chat+subscribe@groups.io.

·         List matters: For discussion of list policies. Subscription address is nvda+listmatters+subscribe@groups.io.

·         In regards to NVDACon posts: they are in fact on topic.

 

Also, you may have noticed a different “from:” address. This is the side effect of using subgroups in Groups.IO. If you were using email addresses as filter data, please change it to nvda@nvda.groups.io. Posting to the old address (nvda@groups.io) will still work.

 

Lastly, although we now have a dedicated chat subgroup, it’ll not completely replace various chat mailing lists out there.

 

I’d like to take this time to apologize for errors in my own conduct.

 

Sincerely,

Joseph

 

 


reposting the list of add ons that were updated?

 

nHello some one posted a list of programs that have been updated on nvda add ons it had goldin cursor and a few others can some one please repost the add ons?
Hank


Re: NVDA Not Working on Web Sites

 

My issue is not so much websites on my system but that sometimes for no reason the nvda key gets stuck and nvda needs to be ended and restarted.
Sometimes nvda will just suddenly loose focus or keys will execute or sometimes not work until I press them again.
Ofcause once I test out the keyboard in training mode its recieving commands just peachy but it can get a bit bad at times.
Its enough that I wander what is going on but not enough to make me wander.
Ofcause this mechanical board has firmware I may try to update that.

On 21/04/2016 12:26 a.m., Rich De Steno wrote:
Suddenly, this morning, NVDA cannot read web sites. When I press tab, I
keep hearing "unknown" and I cannot move around on the page. Everything
else seems to work normally, such as Email, Notepad, TW Blue, and my
other usual programs. I had a sighted person confirm that the web pages
look normal and can be navigated normally with the mouse. It appears as
if some keyboard change has taken place interfering with NVDA's
functioning, but I cannot figure this one out. I am using the current
version of NVDA and Windows 10. This occurs both in Firefox and IE. Any
ideas?


Re: NVDA Not Working on Web Sites

 

I have had this happen on a system that after uninstalling office 2010 it did this all web content gone.
On another system it did the same thing but when I loaded office 2013 it fixed the issue so removing office must have done something.
The system is due for a full workout in august and strip down as its full of old programs and so in august I plan to strip it down and this will include a full reformat and refresh of the os.
I have found no way to fix this issue and not even ms knows what to do.

On 21/04/2016 12:26 a.m., Rich De Steno wrote:
Suddenly, this morning, NVDA cannot read web sites. When I press tab, I
keep hearing "unknown" and I cannot move around on the page. Everything
else seems to work normally, such as Email, Notepad, TW Blue, and my
other usual programs. I had a sighted person confirm that the web pages
look normal and can be navigated normally with the mouse. It appears as
if some keyboard change has taken place interfering with NVDA's
functioning, but I cannot figure this one out. I am using the current
version of NVDA and Windows 10. This occurs both in Firefox and IE. Any
ideas?


remote desktop

Luke Scholey <lukescholey@...>
 

Hi all,
I am thinking of getting a VPS or possibly even a dedicated server for my small business. one of the main ways of connecting to virtual servers is through remote desktop connection if the server is windows.
My question is, does Microsoft's remote desktop connection work with NVDA and how well? I want to be able to basically navigate the server as if I were sat in front of it like normal, is this possible?
Thanks,
Luke


Re: NVDA AND APPLE

christopher hallsworth <challsworth2@...>
 

Yeah it’s amazing. Of course there are problems, but all software has problems right? I’m a full time Mac user and can get on with it very happily despite the problems.

On 20 Apr 2016, at 16:57, Supanut Leepaisomboon <@supanut2000> wrote:

If you got a Mac, there's no need for NVDA. Apple's VoiceOver should work just fine; it worked amazingly on an iPhone, so on a Mac it should work good too. Plus by default VoiceOver supports over 20 languages for its synth.


Re: Duplicate topics?

 

I, too, have mentioned this before on multiple occasions.

I can speak definitively, though, to what comes in the digests.

In the Plain digest, at the end of each individual message entry, there is a link that has a text label in front of it that reads, "Reply to this message."  When used it immediately opens the Groups.io page that allows you to reply to a given message, with the message you're replying to shown above the edit box for the subject (which is pre-populated correctly with "Re:" followed by the original thread title) and the edit box below that for your reply.  This is, in my opinion, counterintuitive for someone who wishes to participate by e-mail alone since it throws them into the web interface, but if you know you're there you could use this method.

In the Full-Featured digest there are a group of hyperlinks at the bottom of each message in the digest with the click-through labels:  View this Message, Reply to Group, Reply to Sender, Mute this Thread, and Back to Topics.  The topics for a given full featured digest are all listed at the top.  Full featured digests are in HTML format and need to be viewed in an e-mail client in that manner for all the automatic features related to hyperlinks to work.  What's interesting, though, is that clicking either the "Reply to Group" or "Reply to Sender" options will open up a reply message in the e-mail client of your choice on your computer with the subject appropriately pre-populated so that duplicate threads will be avoided and you can just compose your response there.  This also seems counterintuitive, but really works well for those who prefer to compose in their e-mailer as opposed to the web interface.  The Full-Featured digest is much more functional overall than the plain text digest on many levels and I'd encourage anyone who doesn't insist on having their e-mail converted to plain text before reading to switch over to the full-featured digest if you're a digest user.

I will also add that there exists, in the plain text digests, a click-through link labeled, "Mute this thread," at the bottom of each and every message.  One of the biggest advantages of groups.io, as far as I'm concerned, is the ability to mute any given thread you never wish to see anything from again, and it could not be more simple to do.  I encourage people to avail themselves of this new feature when they encounter any thread that does not interest them and for which they would prefer not to receive any additional messages going forward.

I would have to believe that the "Mute this thread" link is included in individual message e-mails, too, but cannot speak to that definitively since I have only ever had digests sent, and stopped that when I started using the web interface (other than to turn it on occasionally to see if anything might have changed format wise).  The digests I used in making the above statements are less than 2 weeks old, so their respective formats are current.

Brian