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Re: Drag and Drop with NVDA

mohammad suliman
 

hi Brian,
to get to the column headers while the focus is on a message title in the tree view:
* NVDA + numpad 8, you will hear NVDA announce "tree view"
* then NVDA + numpad2, now "list" will be announced
* again NVDA + numpad2, now navigator object will be the first column header.
* now,  you can use NVDA + numpad4 / numpad6 to move to previous / next column header
from here, I don't know how to drag and drop the columns, I tried, but it didn't work.
hope that helps,
Mohammad

On 5/24/2016 6:13 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

mk,

         When I get to the first message in the Inbox NVDA announces "Table," followed by the subject of the first subject.  If I hit NVDA+NumPad 4 NVDA announces "No Previous."  If I follow that with NVDA+Numpad 2 it says, "No Object Inside."

          I've tried all of the Object Navigation Commands when sitting on that first message in the inbox and none seems to move me to anywhere near to the column headings for the respective fields shown beneath them in the inbox, so I'm still stymied.

Brian
-- 

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Re: NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

We'll do.


Re: NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Awesome! Thank you for doing that. Do let us know what they say.
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Training Instructor.

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Phone: (704) 256-8010.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Shook" <chris0309@samobile.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119


Hey all,
Just to let you know, I did send Apple support an email. I'll let you know if or when I get a response.
Chris


Re: NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Then don't makes assumptions. I'm not saying you are. I'm simply kindly asking please that you don't. As yes, until this latest update which broke a lot of things, it was quite better than back in 2011. I think you would have been quite impressed prior to 12.4. And just as a heads up, I've made Apple aware of the issues in Windows, and trust me. It's not just NVDA having the issue. It seems to be across the board on the Windows side of things. They told me that I wasn't the first to report things, they were definitely aware of the issues, and were working their butts off to push us out an update that'll fix those issues.
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Phone: (704) 256-8010.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119


I've tried it using xp and Jaws 11. I don't know if it was me or if it was I
tunes itself. It didn't work well for me. I uninstalled it. I haven't tried
it since. I'm now on jaws 14 and the latest version of NVDA.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: May-23-16 8:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

I wasn't directing my message specifically at you. I apologize if you took
it that way. there have been a lot of people though it seems tonight who
have stated it was crap, or that it wasn't good, or was terrible, or
whatever.

The point I was trying to convey was, if you don't like it, then let Apple
know you don't. Plain and simple.

No hard feelings intended.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgilland07@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Shook" <chris0309@samobile.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119


I can't speak for everyone, but I have not said in any post that iTunes is
crap. Is it annoying that it's broken again, yes. However, I do think it
will be fixed, eventually.







Re: Asking about any software that can pass audio signal from one software to another and is accessible with NVDA

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

There's a program that'll do exactly this very thing. It's called Virtual Audio Cable. I dont' know much about it, but I did use it back in the days. I remember it being accessible, though kind of a pain in the behaunkis to set up. Once done though, it was then pretty easy to use. And, let me make it clear. I never said that the setup process wasn't accessible. I simply said it was kind of confusing, and a little bit annoying.
---
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Training Instructor.

clgilland07@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William" <cwwong.pro@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 11:44 PM
Subject: [nvda] Asking about any software that can pass audio signal from one software to another and is accessible with NVDA


Hi
I learn that there is something like audiohighjack or soundflower that is Mac software which can act as a middleman to pass audio signal from one application to another. I am not sure if there is any accessible software that can be find on Windows which have the same or similar function.

Any advice are welcome



Re: NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Apology accepted. NO worries. It's all good, bro.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Shook" <chris0309@samobile.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119


None taken. I didn't think you wre. The point I was trying to make is that while a lot of people have said iTunes is crap. There are those of us that still find it useful.
Sorry about the last post. You are right. One of us should have sent Apple an email days ago instead of waiting on someone else to do it.


Re: NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Hey all,
Just to let you know, I did send Apple support an email. I'll let you know if or when I get a response.
Chris


Re: NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Arlene
 

I've tried it using xp and Jaws 11. I don't know if it was me or if it was I
tunes itself. It didn't work well for me. I uninstalled it. I haven't tried
it since. I'm now on jaws 14 and the latest version of NVDA.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: May-23-16 8:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

I wasn't directing my message specifically at you. I apologize if you took
it that way. there have been a lot of people though it seems tonight who
have stated it was crap, or that it wasn't good, or was terrible, or
whatever.

The point I was trying to convey was, if you don't like it, then let Apple
know you don't. Plain and simple.

No hard feelings intended.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgilland07@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Shook" <chris0309@samobile.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119


I can't speak for everyone, but I have not said in any post that iTunes is
crap. Is it annoying that it's broken again, yes. However, I do think it
will be fixed, eventually.



Asking about any software that can pass audio signal from one software to another and is accessible with NVDA

Mr. Wong Chi Wai <cwwong.pro@...>
 

Hi
I learn that there is something like audiohighjack or soundflower that is Mac software which can act as a middleman to pass audio signal from one application to another. I am not sure if there is any accessible software that can be find on Windows which have the same or similar function.

Any advice are welcome


Re: NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

None taken. I didn't think you wre. The point I was trying to make is that while a lot of people have said iTunes is crap. There are those of us that still find it useful.
Sorry about the last post. You are right. One of us should have sent Apple an email days ago instead of waiting on someone else to do it.


Re: Suggestions for sound recording programs: was, New Member (5)

William Brandes <williambrandes@...>
 

hi. i have used audacity for a long time. both recording and editing
including editing on multiple tracks in the same window. you can just
work through the file navigation to do most stuff. but, need to know
what you are hearing. i would suggest, if you are not yet connected,
to the audacity for blind users on freelists; join!

stay well ... william


Re: NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

I wasn't directing my message specifically at you. I apologize if you took it that way. there have been a lot of people though it seems tonight who have stated it was crap, or that it wasn't good, or was terrible, or whatever.

The point I was trying to convey was, if you don't like it, then let Apple know you don't. Plain and simple.

No hard feelings intended.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgilland07@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Shook" <chris0309@samobile.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119


I can't speak for everyone, but I have not said in any post that iTunes is crap. Is it annoying that it's broken again, yes. However, I do think it will be fixed, eventually.


Re: NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Well, you can always remove your music but it will always remain in your purchase history, even if you wind up deleting it out of your ICloud music library. Heck, just the other day, ironically, I actually went into my purchase history, and found some things I forgot I'd bought probably back in gosh, 2011, if I had to guess. I was able to redownload them just fine.
---
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119


Well then, I guess that solves your problems if you think you'll lose your music from itunes. I know in the I pad and phone the music stays there.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: May-23-16 8:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Yes. You definitely can save your music in ICloud. I do it all the
freaking time.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgilland07@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119


Hi, I think you can open an I cloud account and save your music that way.
Yes I tunes can store your music. I'll have to ask my room mate. She has a
Mac, an I phone witch we share and an I pad.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lenron
Sent: May-23-16 6:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Itunes is crap. Total crap one of the things that made me not want an
Iphone for so long. Also apple music should save your stuff some how
that way if you wish to use it again you don't have to re add all that
music. Maybe some kind of thing where it just saves the titles that
you had before and you just have to redownload them.

On 5/23/16, Jolene Cardenas <joe.haiku@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,

I tried this program as well on my Windows 10-based laptop with NVDA,
and it was so inaccessible that I uninstalled it after a few days.

Yet all I wanted to do was use it as a Podcast subscriber, nothing else.

I wish you the best as perhaps others on this list could share how it
worked for them or not.

sincerely,

Jolene.




--
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Cell: 985-271-2832
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Re: NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

I can't speak for everyone, but I have not said in any post that iTunes is crap. Is it annoying that it's broken again, yes. However, I do think it will be fixed, eventually.


Re: NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Arlene
 

Well then, I guess that solves your problems if you think you'll lose your music from itunes. I know in the I pad and phone the music stays there.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: May-23-16 8:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Yes. You definitely can save your music in ICloud. I do it all the
freaking time.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgilland07@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119


Hi, I think you can open an I cloud account and save your music that way.
Yes I tunes can store your music. I'll have to ask my room mate. She has a
Mac, an I phone witch we share and an I pad.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lenron
Sent: May-23-16 6:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Itunes is crap. Total crap one of the things that made me not want an
Iphone for so long. Also apple music should save your stuff some how
that way if you wish to use it again you don't have to re add all that
music. Maybe some kind of thing where it just saves the titles that
you had before and you just have to redownload them.

On 5/23/16, Jolene Cardenas <joe.haiku@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,

I tried this program as well on my Windows 10-based laptop with NVDA,
and it was so inaccessible that I uninstalled it after a few days.

Yet all I wanted to do was use it as a Podcast subscriber, nothing else.

I wish you the best as perhaps others on this list could share how it
worked for them or not.

sincerely,

Jolene.




--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762


Re: Drag and Drop with NVDA

 

mk,

         When I get to the first message in the Inbox NVDA announces "Table," followed by the subject of the first subject.  If I hit NVDA+NumPad 4 NVDA announces "No Previous."  If I follow that with NVDA+Numpad 2 it says, "No Object Inside."

          I've tried all of the Object Navigation Commands when sitting on that first message in the inbox and none seems to move me to anywhere near to the column headings for the respective fields shown beneath them in the inbox, so I'm still stymied.

Brian
-- 

Never underestimate the difficulty of changing false beliefs by facts. 
   ~ Henry Rosovsky

    



Re: NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Yes. You definitely can save your music in ICloud. I do it all the freaking time.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgilland07@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119


Hi, I think you can open an I cloud account and save your music that way. Yes I tunes can store your music. I'll have to ask my room mate. She has a Mac, an I phone witch we share and an I pad.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lenron
Sent: May-23-16 6:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Itunes is crap. Total crap one of the things that made me not want an
Iphone for so long. Also apple music should save your stuff some how
that way if you wish to use it again you don't have to re add all that
music. Maybe some kind of thing where it just saves the titles that
you had before and you just have to redownload them.

On 5/23/16, Jolene Cardenas <joe.haiku@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,

I tried this program as well on my Windows 10-based laptop with NVDA,
and it was so inaccessible that I uninstalled it after a few days.

Yet all I wanted to do was use it as a Podcast subscriber, nothing else.

I wish you the best as perhaps others on this list could share how it
worked for them or not.

sincerely,

Jolene.




--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762


Re: NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

ICloud and Apple Music work just fine. I've had absolutely no issue at all.

Granted, I'm running ITunes on a mac, not Windows, but you didn't ask if people were having trouble with it on Windows. You simply asked if people were having trouble with Apple Music, or with ICloud, and yes, I do download audio books with ITunes, though not very often, I'll admit. I'm more of an Audible guy, but, that said, the bit I have tried putting the material on my iOS device, I've not found issues.

Now, admittedly, Apple did break accessibility in this latest Windows release of 12.4, but you shouldn't say it's pure crap just because of that. If there are more underlying reasons than this recent update, then tellem! They can't fix something they don't know about! Rather than complaining about it, be constructive. And be nice about it when doing so. If you came to me and just said, you're product is crap, I'd probably hung up on your sorry butt! If, however you were constructive, and polite in nature, and jsut said, were you aware that there is a huge problem with the look and feel/design of your product, or, were you aware as a a blind screen reader user, that the latest update has completely broken accessibility. I'd like to work with you to figure out why. Then, I'd be very very much willing to take your thoughts into consideration.

Yelling and screaming/throwing a 2 year old tempor tantrom's not gonna solve anything.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgilland07@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Shook" <chris0309@samobile.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119


I agree. I read audio books a lot, but I will not download them from iTunes anymore. It is too much of a pain to put them back if you take them off your device for some reason.
Has anyone had trouble playing music from iCloud? I don't own apple music, but I've still got access to iCloud. However, for the passed few weeks, if I click on certain songs, it give me the option to buy them again. I don't know whether it charges my account if I click buy or not, but it's still annoying.
Hopefully, NVDA 2016.2 will make it more accessable.
On another subject, is Amazon music any beter?


Re: NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Arlene
 

Hi, I think you can open an I cloud account and save your music that way. Yes I tunes can store your music. I'll have to ask my room mate. She has a Mac, an I phone witch we share and an I pad.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lenron
Sent: May-23-16 6:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Itunes is crap. Total crap one of the things that made me not want an
Iphone for so long. Also apple music should save your stuff some how
that way if you wish to use it again you don't have to re add all that
music. Maybe some kind of thing where it just saves the titles that
you had before and you just have to redownload them.

On 5/23/16, Jolene Cardenas <joe.haiku@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,

I tried this program as well on my Windows 10-based laptop with NVDA,
and it was so inaccessible that I uninstalled it after a few days.

Yet all I wanted to do was use it as a Podcast subscriber, nothing else.

I wish you the best as perhaps others on this list could share how it
worked for them or not.

sincerely,

Jolene.




--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762


Re: NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

My, my! Aren't we helping Apple out by saying their stuff is crap, rather than being productive and writing them about it. Never mind my major sarcasm!

accessibility@apple.com

http://www.apple.com/feedback

http://www.applevis.com

http://support.apple.com

@Applesupport
on Twitter.

1-800-275-2273

Or their Accessibility line which is open 24/7

1-877-204-3930

Saying it's crap, saying it's shit, whatever, isn't going to resolve anything. Frankly, if you're not willing to tell Apple how you feel, then you really don't have much say to be complaining, do ya? Doing so though is totally counterproductive, and frankly, if I was Apple, and you told me my product was crap, I'd laugh in your freaking face! I'd be like, O, Kayyyy? then, tell us how to make it better, and stop whining!
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgilland07@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lenron" <lenron93@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119


Itunes is crap. Total crap one of the things that made me not want an
Iphone for so long. Also apple music should save your stuff some how
that way if you wish to use it again you don't have to re add all that
music. Maybe some kind of thing where it just saves the titles that
you had before and you just have to redownload them.

On 5/23/16, Jolene Cardenas <joe.haiku@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,

I tried this program as well on my Windows 10-based laptop with NVDA,
and it was so inaccessible that I uninstalled it after a few days.

Yet all I wanted to do was use it as a Podcast subscriber, nothing else.

I wish you the best as perhaps others on this list could share how it
worked for them or not.

sincerely,

Jolene.




--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762