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Re: chromebooks and accessibility?

mattias
 

quick question

tech zone? wich list are it?


Den 2016-10-20 kl. 09:16, skrev Brian's Mail list account:

Its not windows, so no Nvda will not run on it, but Google may well have an accessible interface built in as the Android operating system has, but then, I'm not really a fan of cloud based apps never mind operating systems since by definition they need constant contact with the internet to work.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "ken lawrence via Groups.io" <kenlawrence124=aol.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 3:59 PM
Subject: [nvda] chromebooks and accessibility?


Hi list, ken here with a question. posted this on the tech zone but got no reply. saw an item in associated press yesterday about a new chromebook being released. I know some things about chromebooks namely that they are a bare bones computer. all they have on them is the browser and the media player. the operating system is in the cloud this chromebook I saw released new only costs $199. that seems like a good option for those on a budget. the question is can NVDA or any screen reader run on a chromebook and are they generally accessibile for blind/visually impaired? not sure if anyone on this list knows the answer to that. it seems like for someone without a laptop this could be a good option for me.



Re: getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Thanks. I didn't think of that.

On 10/20/2016 4:02 PM, Tyler Spivey wrote:
1. Press enter on a message.
2. From here, go to the View menu, Message Body As.
Either Simple HTML or Plain Text will stop that message.
If you select Plain Text, you'll lose some things such as links. They either won't show up at all in the case of some of this list's messages (unsubscribe, mute, etc at the bottom), or turn into URLs.

On 10/20/2016 3:30 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
How do I convert thunderbird to read in plain text?




On 10/20/2016 2:17 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.io wrote:
CORRECT, sorry caps was on anyway correct just read in plain text and
it will stop saying this.

On 20/10/2016 20:20, Gene wrote:
First, I'll say that I'm not a tech and those with more technical
knowledge may disagree with the following but this is what I understand
to be the case from reading and thinking about this question in the
past.

it is a bad idea to allow remote content. I'm sure there is another
much safer solution. there is a reason that remote content is not
allowed by default. it may be malicious.

If a solution involves lowering security, another solution should be
sought before deciding whether you want to use the program enough to
take a chance of lowering an important security setting.

As one example, if you allow remote content and inadvertently open a
spam message, that spam message may be able to tell the spam sender that
you are a live address and you may get more spam as a result. I don't
know technically enough about this to discuss it more fully except to
say that somehow, allowing remote content allows this to be done.

Malware can be sent to a computer if remote content is allowed just by
opening a message.

If you don't want these warnings, it is my understanding that if you get
a version of thunderbird before a certain number, this message will not
be spoken. I also expect that changing how mail is read from html to
text would stop this message. Whatever the case, there is a reason why
not only thunderb ird, but other widely used Windows e-mail programs
don't allow remote content by default.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene New Zealand <mailto:hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>
*Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:54 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] getting the "to protect your privacy" message even
before opening a message

Hi


Have a look under the tools then options then privacy settings in
thunderbird.

You will be looking for a setting called Allow remote content in
messages


mined is checked so it allows it.


On some pages when they are sent they say do not send the content but it
can be found on the website.


So depending if you have this box checked or not is weather you get
tthat message or not.


hope this helps.


Gene nz




On 21/10/2016 5:49 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


I don't know if any of you have seen this before in thunderbird but
now in some of my messages I'm getting the "to protect your privacy"
message before even opening them. I never saw this before. I would get
that mesage when opening an email but now I'm getting it before
opening a message. Is there a way to change this? Just wondering.


Thanks.


Rosemarie



--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net









Re: getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message

Tyler Spivey
 

1. Press enter on a message.
2. From here, go to the View menu, Message Body As.
Either Simple HTML or Plain Text will stop that message.
If you select Plain Text, you'll lose some things such as links. They either won't show up at all in the case of some of this list's messages (unsubscribe, mute, etc at the bottom), or turn into URLs.

On 10/20/2016 3:30 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
How do I convert thunderbird to read in plain text?




On 10/20/2016 2:17 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.io wrote:
CORRECT, sorry caps was on anyway correct just read in plain text and
it will stop saying this.

On 20/10/2016 20:20, Gene wrote:
First, I'll say that I'm not a tech and those with more technical
knowledge may disagree with the following but this is what I understand
to be the case from reading and thinking about this question in the
past.

it is a bad idea to allow remote content. I'm sure there is another
much safer solution. there is a reason that remote content is not
allowed by default. it may be malicious.

If a solution involves lowering security, another solution should be
sought before deciding whether you want to use the program enough to
take a chance of lowering an important security setting.

As one example, if you allow remote content and inadvertently open a
spam message, that spam message may be able to tell the spam sender that
you are a live address and you may get more spam as a result. I don't
know technically enough about this to discuss it more fully except to
say that somehow, allowing remote content allows this to be done.

Malware can be sent to a computer if remote content is allowed just by
opening a message.

If you don't want these warnings, it is my understanding that if you get
a version of thunderbird before a certain number, this message will not
be spoken. I also expect that changing how mail is read from html to
text would stop this message. Whatever the case, there is a reason why
not only thunderb ird, but other widely used Windows e-mail programs
don't allow remote content by default.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene New Zealand <mailto:hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>
*Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:54 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] getting the "to protect your privacy" message even
before opening a message

Hi


Have a look under the tools then options then privacy settings in
thunderbird.

You will be looking for a setting called Allow remote content in
messages


mined is checked so it allows it.


On some pages when they are sent they say do not send the content but it
can be found on the website.


So depending if you have this box checked or not is weather you get
tthat message or not.


hope this helps.


Gene nz




On 21/10/2016 5:49 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


I don't know if any of you have seen this before in thunderbird but
now in some of my messages I'm getting the "to protect your privacy"
message before even opening them. I never saw this before. I would get
that mesage when opening an email but now I'm getting it before
opening a message. Is there a way to change this? Just wondering.


Thanks.


Rosemarie



--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net







Re: getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

How do I convert thunderbird to read in plain text?

On 10/20/2016 2:17 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.io wrote:
CORRECT, sorry caps was on anyway correct just read in plain text and it will stop saying this.

On 20/10/2016 20:20, Gene wrote:
First, I'll say that I'm not a tech and those with more technical
knowledge may disagree with the following but this is what I understand
to be the case from reading and thinking about this question in the past.

it is a bad idea to allow remote content. I'm sure there is another
much safer solution. there is a reason that remote content is not
allowed by default. it may be malicious.

If a solution involves lowering security, another solution should be
sought before deciding whether you want to use the program enough to
take a chance of lowering an important security setting.

As one example, if you allow remote content and inadvertently open a
spam message, that spam message may be able to tell the spam sender that
you are a live address and you may get more spam as a result. I don't
know technically enough about this to discuss it more fully except to
say that somehow, allowing remote content allows this to be done.

Malware can be sent to a computer if remote content is allowed just by
opening a message.

If you don't want these warnings, it is my understanding that if you get
a version of thunderbird before a certain number, this message will not
be spoken. I also expect that changing how mail is read from html to
text would stop this message. Whatever the case, there is a reason why
not only thunderb ird, but other widely used Windows e-mail programs
don't allow remote content by default.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene New Zealand <mailto:hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>
*Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:54 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] getting the "to protect your privacy" message even
before opening a message

Hi


Have a look under the tools then options then privacy settings in
thunderbird.

You will be looking for a setting called Allow remote content in messages


mined is checked so it allows it.


On some pages when they are sent they say do not send the content but it
can be found on the website.


So depending if you have this box checked or not is weather you get
tthat message or not.


hope this helps.


Gene nz




On 21/10/2016 5:49 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


I don't know if any of you have seen this before in thunderbird but
now in some of my messages I'm getting the "to protect your privacy"
message before even opening them. I never saw this before. I would get
that mesage when opening an email but now I'm getting it before
opening a message. Is there a way to change this? Just wondering.


Thanks.


Rosemarie



--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net





Re: Outlook 2016 and Unread Messages

Gene
 

There may be something I don't understand but if unread messages are announced as unread, why does it matter if read messages are announced as read?  If you don't hear unread announced, the messages must be read. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 and Unread Messages

Dear Gene,

 

I appreciate your help. Let me explain again:

 

1. My problem is that NVDA is not announcing unread messages.

 

2. My unread messages have been set so that they do not open automatically.

 

3. When I open a folder, Nvda announces that I am in table  view. I then have the list of messages. I can read them only after keying “Enter “and so opening a message. What I find is that before opening a specific message, I can arrow up and down through the list of messages, they are announced in turn, but the ones I have not opened (and that are visually marked as unread) are not announced as unread, as they used to be in Outlook 2007.

 

Warmly,

Ralph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 2:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 and Unread Messages

 

I suspect you can't do anything about this.  There is an icon that NVDA isn't announcing, I suspect because it isn't programmed to do so.  But why is that a problem?  If unread messages are announced as unread, then the only other thing they can be is read.  If you want more control of whether the status of an announcement changes from unread to read, you may be able to control this completely by turning off the view pane.  In e-mail programs with the view pane on, as I understand it, showing a message in the view pane is actually opening the message and they will be shown as read.  If the view pane is off, then you can arrow to a message in the list and not open it and it will be announced as unread until you open it. 

Also, you may be able to change the time a message is opened before its status changes.  If you can make the time long enough, you may be able to leave the viewpane opened and still have a message shown as unread if you arrow through the message list and stop on a message briefly.

 

Also, you may have some reason we don't know why you want to have announced what is both read and unread.  If you tell us if you use the different flags for certain purposes, for example, organizing mail in certain ways, you may get suggestions you can use to do whatever you want to do.  People often don't get good help because they only ask how to do something and don't explain what they are actually trying to accomplish.  That means that the only discussion is specifically about how to do the exact thing that is asked for even when other solutions may be available and may be better.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:33 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 and Unread Messages

 

That’s taken care of. My wife can see that the unread messages are marked both with a blue font and a closed envelope.

 

Ralph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 11:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 and Unread Messages

 

One thing you need to remember is that the default configuration for Outlook is to mark a message read immediately upon opening, which means that by landing on a message it is automatically and instantly read, which is why you never hear unread.  I'm in a rush at the moment so cannot look up where in the Outlook options the "mark messages as read" delay can be set.  I know I have mine at about 5 seconds.
--
Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

    ~ Lauren Bacall

    

 


Re: getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message

Gene
 

I seem to recall, a number of months ago, this problem discussed here or on another list I follow.  The only solution, in my recollection, was to use an earlier version of Thunderbird and not allow it to update.  Aside from that solution, I would expect that reading mail as plain text, as I said, would also solve the problem. 
 
It may be that this issue should be raised with NVDA developers to see if it can be solved from the NVDA standpoint.  But it appears that something changed in Thunderbird wich causes this to be read. 
 
There may be other solutions which people who use Thunderbird have come up with but I don't recall seeing any in the past.
 
While I doubt this will help, turning off reading of dynamic content could be attempted.  But I'm doubtful that this will solve the problem.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message

Yes, even good old Outlook Express will block attempts for an emails html
from getting remote content. I'd be a bit wary of whoever is sending mail
with remote content in the first place.
 One issue with reading in plain text is that links ewill probably need to
be cut and pasted into address bars which can be an issue on some of the
gibberish links one sees on newsletters from systems like mail chimp etc, so
really you need to decide which is the most convenient way.
 The chances are that you will be able to silently block  this content as
happens on Microsoft mail clients. Seems odd to me that Thunderbird does not
offer this choice.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting the "to protect your privacy" message even
before opening a message


First, I'll say that I'm not a tech and those with more technical knowledge
may disagree with the following but this is what I understand to be the case
from reading and thinking about this question in the past.

it is a bad idea to allow remote content.  I'm sure there is another much
safer solution.  there is a reason that remote content is not allowed by
default.  it may be malicious.

If a solution involves lowering security, another solution should be sought
before deciding whether you want to use the program enough to take a chance
of lowering an important security setting.

As one example, if you allow remote content and inadvertently open a spam
message, that spam message may be able to tell the spam sender that you are
a live address and you may get more spam as a result.  I don't know
technically enough about this to discuss it more fully except to say that
somehow, allowing remote content allows this to be done.

Malware can be sent to a computer if remote content is allowed just by
opening a message.

If you don't want these warnings, it is my understanding that if you get a
version of thunderbird before a certain number, this message will not be
spoken.  I also expect that changing how mail is read from html to text
would stop this message.  Whatever the case, there is a reason why not only
thunderb ird, but other widely used Windows e-mail programs don't allow
remote content by default.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting the "to protect your privacy" message even
before opening a message


Hi


Have a look under the tools then options then privacy settings in
thunderbird.

You will be looking for a setting called Allow remote content in messages


mined is checked so it allows it.


On some pages when they are sent they say do not send the content but it
can be found on the website.


So depending if you have this box checked or not is weather you get
tthat message or not.


hope this helps.


Gene nz




On 21/10/2016 5:49 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> Hi, everyone,
>
>
> I don't know if any of you have seen this before in thunderbird but
> now in some of my messages I'm getting the "to protect your privacy"
> message before even opening them. I never saw this before. I would get
> that mesage when opening an email but now I'm getting it before
> opening a message. Is there a way to change this? Just wondering.
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Rosemarie
>
>
>
>

--
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at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net








Re: getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message

Kevin Cussick
 

CORRECT, sorry caps was on anyway correct just read in plain text and it will stop saying this.

On 20/10/2016 20:20, Gene wrote:
First, I'll say that I'm not a tech and those with more technical
knowledge may disagree with the following but this is what I understand
to be the case from reading and thinking about this question in the past.

it is a bad idea to allow remote content. I'm sure there is another
much safer solution. there is a reason that remote content is not
allowed by default. it may be malicious.

If a solution involves lowering security, another solution should be
sought before deciding whether you want to use the program enough to
take a chance of lowering an important security setting.

As one example, if you allow remote content and inadvertently open a
spam message, that spam message may be able to tell the spam sender that
you are a live address and you may get more spam as a result. I don't
know technically enough about this to discuss it more fully except to
say that somehow, allowing remote content allows this to be done.

Malware can be sent to a computer if remote content is allowed just by
opening a message.

If you don't want these warnings, it is my understanding that if you get
a version of thunderbird before a certain number, this message will not
be spoken. I also expect that changing how mail is read from html to
text would stop this message. Whatever the case, there is a reason why
not only thunderb ird, but other widely used Windows e-mail programs
don't allow remote content by default.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene New Zealand <mailto:hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>
*Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:54 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] getting the "to protect your privacy" message even
before opening a message

Hi


Have a look under the tools then options then privacy settings in
thunderbird.

You will be looking for a setting called Allow remote content in messages


mined is checked so it allows it.


On some pages when they are sent they say do not send the content but it
can be found on the website.


So depending if you have this box checked or not is weather you get
tthat message or not.


hope this helps.


Gene nz




On 21/10/2016 5:49 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


I don't know if any of you have seen this before in thunderbird but
now in some of my messages I'm getting the "to protect your privacy"
message before even opening them. I never saw this before. I would get
that mesage when opening an email but now I'm getting it before
opening a message. Is there a way to change this? Just wondering.


Thanks.


Rosemarie



--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net





Re: getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

I get that too, and have done so since opening thunderbird for the first time. It's configurable in the security settings, but I haven't bothered to change it yet as it hasn't irritated me enough just yet. :)

On 10/20/2016 12:49 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


I don't know if any of you have seen this before in thunderbird but now in some of my messages I'm getting the "to protect your privacy" message before even opening them. I never saw this before. I would get that mesage when opening an email but now I'm getting it before opening a message. Is there a way to change this? Just wondering.


Thanks.


Rosemarie



Re: getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Yes, even good old Outlook Express will block attempts for an emails html from getting remote content. I'd be a bit wary of whoever is sending mail with remote content in the first place.
One issue with reading in plain text is that links ewill probably need to be cut and pasted into address bars which can be an issue on some of the gibberish links one sees on newsletters from systems like mail chimp etc, so really you need to decide which is the most convenient way.
The chances are that you will be able to silently block this content as happens on Microsoft mail clients. Seems odd to me that Thunderbird does not offer this choice.
Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message


First, I'll say that I'm not a tech and those with more technical knowledge may disagree with the following but this is what I understand to be the case from reading and thinking about this question in the past.

it is a bad idea to allow remote content. I'm sure there is another much safer solution. there is a reason that remote content is not allowed by default. it may be malicious.

If a solution involves lowering security, another solution should be sought before deciding whether you want to use the program enough to take a chance of lowering an important security setting.

As one example, if you allow remote content and inadvertently open a spam message, that spam message may be able to tell the spam sender that you are a live address and you may get more spam as a result. I don't know technically enough about this to discuss it more fully except to say that somehow, allowing remote content allows this to be done.

Malware can be sent to a computer if remote content is allowed just by opening a message.

If you don't want these warnings, it is my understanding that if you get a version of thunderbird before a certain number, this message will not be spoken. I also expect that changing how mail is read from html to text would stop this message. Whatever the case, there is a reason why not only thunderb ird, but other widely used Windows e-mail programs don't allow remote content by default.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message


Hi


Have a look under the tools then options then privacy settings in
thunderbird.

You will be looking for a setting called Allow remote content in messages


mined is checked so it allows it.


On some pages when they are sent they say do not send the content but it
can be found on the website.


So depending if you have this box checked or not is weather you get
tthat message or not.


hope this helps.


Gene nz




On 21/10/2016 5:49 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


I don't know if any of you have seen this before in thunderbird but
now in some of my messages I'm getting the "to protect your privacy"
message before even opening them. I never saw this before. I would get
that mesage when opening an email but now I'm getting it before
opening a message. Is there a way to change this? Just wondering.


Thanks.


Rosemarie



--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net


Re: Outlook 2016 and Unread Messages

Ralph Boersema
 

Dear Gene,

 

I appreciate your help. Let me explain again:

 

1. My problem is that NVDA is not announcing unread messages.

 

2. My unread messages have been set so that they do not open automatically.

 

3. When I open a folder, Nvda announces that I am in table  view. I then have the list of messages. I can read them only after keying “Enter “and so opening a message. What I find is that before opening a specific message, I can arrow up and down through the list of messages, they are announced in turn, but the ones I have not opened (and that are visually marked as unread) are not announced as unread, as they used to be in Outlook 2007.

 

Warmly,

Ralph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 2:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 and Unread Messages

 

I suspect you can't do anything about this.  There is an icon that NVDA isn't announcing, I suspect because it isn't programmed to do so.  But why is that a problem?  If unread messages are announced as unread, then the only other thing they can be is read.  If you want more control of whether the status of an announcement changes from unread to read, you may be able to control this completely by turning off the view pane.  In e-mail programs with the view pane on, as I understand it, showing a message in the view pane is actually opening the message and they will be shown as read.  If the view pane is off, then you can arrow to a message in the list and not open it and it will be announced as unread until you open it. 

Also, you may be able to change the time a message is opened before its status changes.  If you can make the time long enough, you may be able to leave the viewpane opened and still have a message shown as unread if you arrow through the message list and stop on a message briefly.

 

Also, you may have some reason we don't know why you want to have announced what is both read and unread.  If you tell us if you use the different flags for certain purposes, for example, organizing mail in certain ways, you may get suggestions you can use to do whatever you want to do.  People often don't get good help because they only ask how to do something and don't explain what they are actually trying to accomplish.  That means that the only discussion is specifically about how to do the exact thing that is asked for even when other solutions may be available and may be better.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:33 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 and Unread Messages

 

That’s taken care of. My wife can see that the unread messages are marked both with a blue font and a closed envelope.

 

Ralph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 11:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 and Unread Messages

 

One thing you need to remember is that the default configuration for Outlook is to mark a message read immediately upon opening, which means that by landing on a message it is automatically and instantly read, which is why you never hear unread.  I'm in a rush at the moment so cannot look up where in the Outlook options the "mark messages as read" delay can be set.  I know I have mine at about 5 seconds.
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Re: getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message

Gene
 

First, I'll say that I'm not a tech and those with more technical knowledge may disagree with the following but this is what I understand to be the case from reading and thinking about this question in the past.
 
it is a bad idea to allow remote content.  I'm sure there is another much safer solution.  there is a reason that remote content is not allowed by default.  it may be malicious. 
 
If a solution involves lowering security, another solution should be sought before deciding whether you want to use the program enough to take a chance of lowering an important security setting. 
 
As one example, if you allow remote content and inadvertently open a spam message, that spam message may be able to tell the spam sender that you are a live address and you may get more spam as a result.  I don't know technically enough about this to discuss it more fully except to say that somehow, allowing remote content allows this to be done. 
 
Malware can be sent to a computer if remote content is allowed just by opening a message. 
 
If you don't want these warnings, it is my understanding that if you get a version of thunderbird before a certain number, this message will not be spoken.  I also expect that changing how mail is read from html to text would stop this message.  Whatever the case, there is a reason why not only thunderb ird, but other widely used Windows e-mail programs don't allow remote content by default. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message

Hi


Have a look under the tools then options then privacy settings in
thunderbird.

You will be looking for a setting called Allow remote content in messages


mined is checked so it allows it.


On some pages when they are sent they say do not send the content but it
can be found on the website.


So depending if you have this box checked or not is weather you get
tthat message or not.


hope this helps.


Gene nz




On 21/10/2016 5:49 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> Hi, everyone,
>
>
> I don't know if any of you have seen this before in thunderbird but
> now in some of my messages I'm getting the "to protect your privacy"
> message before even opening them. I never saw this before. I would get
> that mesage when opening an email but now I'm getting it before
> opening a message. Is there a way to change this? Just wondering.
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Rosemarie
>
>
>
>

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Re: getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


Have a look under the tools then options then privacy settings in
thunderbird.

You will be looking for a setting called Allow remote content in messages


mined is checked so it allows it.


On some pages when they are sent they say do not send the content but it
can be found on the website.


So depending if you have this box checked or not is weather you get
tthat message or not.


hope this helps.


Gene nz

On 21/10/2016 5:49 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


I don't know if any of you have seen this before in thunderbird but
now in some of my messages I'm getting the "to protect your privacy"
message before even opening them. I never saw this before. I would get
that mesage when opening an email but now I'm getting it before
opening a message. Is there a way to change this? Just wondering.


Thanks.


Rosemarie



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Re: Outlook 2016 and Unread Messages

Gene
 

I suspect you can't do anything about this.  There is an icon that NVDA isn't announcing, I suspect because it isn't programmed to do so.  But why is that a problem?  If unread messages are announced as unread, then the only other thing they can be is read.  If you want more control of whether the status of an announcement changes from unread to read, you may be able to control this completely by turning off the view pane.  In e-mail programs with the view pane on, as I understand it, showing a message in the view pane is actually opening the message and they will be shown as read.  If the view pane is off, then you can arrow to a message in the list and not open it and it will be announced as unread until you open it. 
Also, you may be able to change the time a message is opened before its status changes.  If you can make the time long enough, you may be able to leave the viewpane opened and still have a message shown as unread if you arrow through the message list and stop on a message briefly.
 
Also, you may have some reason we don't know why you want to have announced what is both read and unread.  If you tell us if you use the different flags for certain purposes, for example, organizing mail in certain ways, you may get suggestions you can use to do whatever you want to do.  People often don't get good help because they only ask how to do something and don't explain what they are actually trying to accomplish.  That means that the only discussion is specifically about how to do the exact thing that is asked for even when other solutions may be available and may be better.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 and Unread Messages

That’s taken care of. My wife can see that the unread messages are marked both with a blue font and a closed envelope.

 

Ralph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 11:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 and Unread Messages

 

One thing you need to remember is that the default configuration for Outlook is to mark a message read immediately upon opening, which means that by landing on a message it is automatically and instantly read, which is why you never hear unread.  I'm in a rush at the moment so cannot look up where in the Outlook options the "mark messages as read" delay can be set.  I know I have mine at about 5 seconds.
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Re: Outlook 2016 and Unread Messages

Ralph Boersema
 

That’s taken care of. My wife can see that the unread messages are marked both with a blue font and a closed envelope.

 

Ralph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 11:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 and Unread Messages

 

One thing you need to remember is that the default configuration for Outlook is to mark a message read immediately upon opening, which means that by landing on a message it is automatically and instantly read, which is why you never hear unread.  I'm in a rush at the moment so cannot look up where in the Outlook options the "mark messages as read" delay can be set.  I know I have mine at about 5 seconds.
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getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, everyone,


I don't know if any of you have seen this before in thunderbird but now in some of my messages I'm getting the "to protect your privacy" message before even opening them. I never saw this before. I would get that mesage when opening an email but now I'm getting it before opening a message. Is there a way to change this? Just wondering.


Thanks.


Rosemarie


Re: Outlook 2016 and Unread Messages

 

One thing you need to remember is that the default configuration for Outlook is to mark a message read immediately upon opening, which means that by landing on a message it is automatically and instantly read, which is why you never hear unread.  I'm in a rush at the moment so cannot look up where in the Outlook options the "mark messages as read" delay can be set.  I know I have mine at about 5 seconds.
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Re: Outlook 2016 and Unread Messages

Ralph Boersema
 

I needed the help of a sighted person to show the “Read” (envelope icon), so now the status column is visible. However, NVDA still does not announce when a message is unread, nor when it is flagged.

 

Warmly,

Ralph

 

From: Ralph Boersema [mailto:ralph@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 11:32 PM
To: 'nvda@nvda.groups.io' <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: RE: [nvda] Outlook 2016 and Unread Messages

 

Gene’s orientation about the use of ribbons was very helpful.

 

However, I still have not found the solution to how to get NVDA to announce to me that a message in Outlook 2016 is unread. I learned that unread messages  are visually indicated by a blue color, but I don’t want my program to regularly announce font colors. I’m still looking for a way to simply have Nvda announce to me that a message is unread, the way it used to do in Outlook 2007.

 

Warmly,

Ralph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 8:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 and Ribbon

 

Ribbons are not menus.  They are ribbons.  In a program with ribbons, open the ribbons with alt.  Use the left and right arrow to move from ribbon to ribbon, as you would move from menu to menu.  Let's say you want to look through the view ribbon.  When you get to view, start to tab.  You will move through all the items in the view menu.  If you get to a menu, available in the ribbon in this way, press enter or space bar to open the menu.  Activate buttons in the usual way, with the space bar.  If you have problems working with structures, let us know.  There are often a lot more items in a ribbon than in one menu.  Something you intend to use regularly would be a good idea to memorize the command for.  As you move through the ribbon, such as the view ribbon, you will hear, if you let your screen-reader read to the end every time you tab, a command.  For example, this is fictitious, and if there is such a command it is coincidental, enlarge, v e.  If you press alt and then v and then e, you will activate the command or open the item, such as a menu. 

 

There are other commands to move faster between sections of a ribbon, but I'll let others discuss them.  I don't use ribbons enough to remember.  In other words, ribbons are generally divided into sections and you can move from section to section.  For example, an e-mail program may have a section in a ribbon named respond, where you will find commands such as reply and forward. 

Ribbon programs do have one menu you will find by left and right arrowing through the ribbons.  As you left and right arrow, you will come across something that says file, as I recall,  and it is a menu.  you may hear something else announced, I don't remember just what.  Perhaps something about a grid if you let your screen-reader read everything about the menu.  Don't worry about it.  Some common commands are in the menu such as save as.  You will see commands such as f,a, for save as in that menu.  Some of these commands will be the same as you are used to. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:56 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 and Ribbon

 

I am having trouble using the ribbon menu. I don't know how to find whether
status flags are visible. I was doing fine with the classic menus in
Outlook, but I am quite confused with ribbon menus in Office.

Ralph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pranav
Lal
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 8:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016

Ralf,

I am using Outlook 2016. I am told when a message is unread. However, I am
not told when it is read. One shot in the dark,  Check your view settings;
Are status flags visible?

Pranav

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ralph
Boersema
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 6:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Outlook 2016

Dear Folks,

I admit that I don't regularly read these list messages and, therefore,
probably missed reading an earlier exchange about this topic. I have just
updated to Office 2016 and find that in Outlook NVDA does not read to me
whether a message is marked as read or unread. Is there some setting I need
to change in Outlook?

Warmly,
Ralph








Re: chromebooks and accessibility?

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Its not windows, so no Nvda will not run on it, but Google may well have an accessible interface built in as the Android operating system has, but then, I'm not really a fan of cloud based apps never mind operating systems since by definition they need constant contact with the internet to work.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "ken lawrence via Groups.io" <kenlawrence124=aol.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 3:59 PM
Subject: [nvda] chromebooks and accessibility?


Hi list, ken here with a question. posted this on the tech zone but got no reply. saw an item in associated press yesterday about a new chromebook being released. I know some things about chromebooks namely that they are a bare bones computer. all they have on them is the browser and the media player. the operating system is in the cloud this chromebook I saw released new only costs $199. that seems like a good option for those on a budget. the question is can NVDA or any screen reader run on a chromebook and are they generally accessibile for blind/visually impaired? not sure if anyone on this list knows the answer to that. it seems like for someone without a laptop this could be a good option for me.


Re: can't find team viewer

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Normally if only a casual user there used to be a simple to run for that session version which is not as full featured but allows access.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't find team viewer


hi.
you can dont install it and run it only you need it!
i installed it before, uninstall it and i run it whenever i need it.
or maybe you installed it in a different drive of your hard.
go to all program and certainly you should find it there!

On 10/19/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
Maybe its under a different name. One assumes the shortcut has for some
reason been deleted or renamed.
Of course if it was installed by a different account and not made available

to all accounts it would not appar to be there at all.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 6:24 AM
Subject: [nvda] can't find team viewer


Hi, everyone,


I know for a fact that team view is on this computer but I can't find it.

I typed it in the start search box and it didn't work. Couldn't find it
except in the programs and features. I don't know whaqt to do! This
computer is brand-new and I'm having problems with it.


Rosemarie









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Re: speechPlayerInEspeak add-on

Lino Morales
 

YOu'd have to ask either Michael Curren or James Teh. Michael is the one responsible for that add-on.

On 10/19/2016 7:18 PM, Laughingthunder wrote:
Hi,

I am referring to the add-on, which can be found at the following link.

http://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/speechPlayerInEspeak.fa.html

I am wondering whether or not it will be updated.


On 10/19/2016 4:38 PM, Marco Oros wrote:
I don't know, what did You think.
Have You thought on NV speech player, which uses same phonemes, as Espeak, or what?
Marco Oros