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Re: NVDA AND APPLE

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Hello,

NVDA requires an instalation of windows.  There are several ways to install windows on a mac.  The two most common are to use the bootcamp system which apple supplies free for this very purpose, or to purchase and install VMware fusion.  I want to run linux on my mac as well as windows and I enjoy the high level of integration offered by fusion.  Thus, the expense has been worth it for me.

In order to make the most of NVDA on a mac, you will want to disable the expos`e keys and the launchpad keys.  You will also wish to install karabiner keyboard manager on your mac so that you can add the number pad functionality to the mac keyboard for use with NVDA as well  as pass through the caps lock key to windows so that NVDA can use it as a modifier.

I have abandoned all commercial windows screen reading products in favour of NVDA for the limitted times when I need to use windows.  It works very well.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf


On Apr 20, 2016, at 9:41 AM, Christo Vorster <christo.vorster@...> wrote:

Hi list
 
While talking to someone regarding the use of NVDA, the question cam up whether NVDA would function with Apple Macintosh. I have my doubts, but no reason for it, probably just very little outside the Apple family works with Macintosh.
 
Please inform me?
 
Regards
 
Christo Vorster (also from South Africa)


Re: NVDA Not Working on Web Sites

P. Otter
 

some times i have the same, but restart nvda is the solution for that kind of problems in most cases after a restart nvda works fine again.
cheers
paul otter

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Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 2:26 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Not Working on Web Sites


Suddenly, this morning, NVDA cannot read web sites. When I press tab, I keep hearing "unknown" and I cannot move around on the page. Everything else seems to work normally, such as Email, Notepad, TW Blue, and my other usual programs. I had a sighted person confirm that the web pages look normal and can be navigated normally with the mouse. It appears as if some keyboard change has taken place interfering with NVDA's functioning, but I cannot figure this one out. I am using the current version of NVDA and Windows 10. This occurs both in Firefox and IE. Any ideas?

--
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Re: NVDA AND APPLE

 

Christo,

          That depends on how, exactly, you define "would function with an Apple Macintosh."  I do not know of a version of NVDA that is designed to run under OS X proper (much like JAWS, ZoomText [if you want the Reader-Magnifier version], and Window Eyes).  However, if one installs a virtual Windows environment on a Mac you can run Windows-based software on the machine and be able to "flip-flop" easily between the virtual Windows environment and native OS X environment via Mission Control.

          Wine is one of the most commonly used virtual Windows environments, there are many others, and there's even WineBottler which allows you to tuck Windows applications into the OS X environment.

Brian


Re: ESpeak

Angela Delicata
 

What I really do not like about espeak is the sound of r in my
language: the letter is spoken very different in Italian.
It is not like the French r.

Please, if you could try to solve this.
Hope I was clear as I don't know how to better explain that.
Thank you.
Angela from Italy

Il 20/04/2016 15:26, Josh Kennedy ha scritto:
I would love the speech player edward voice to support all of espeak's
phonemes and languages as well as the default voice. I like klatt
voices. but my issue with klatt edward is that it does not have all the
phonemes of original espeak. please fix this because i really like the
edward voice and wish i could just use it in any espeak-supported language!
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NVDA AND APPLE

Christo Vorster
 

Hi list

 

While talking to someone regarding the use of NVDA, the question cam up whether NVDA would function with Apple Macintosh. I have my doubts, but no reason for it, probably just very little outside the Apple family works with Macintosh.

 

Please inform me?

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (also from South Africa)


AW: espeak

Eigeldinger Simon <simon.eigeldinger@...>
 

I think maxi s the most neutral voice.
I used edward for a while but had to change back to max.
I think this is a user preference and should be changed by the user.
Speechplayer also can be installed by the user.


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Von: Josh Kennedy [mailto:joshknnd1982@...]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. April 2016 15:30
An: nvda@groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] espeak

no don't get rid of espeak! keep espeak but 1. improve edward and 2.
make edward the default voice and 3. let the edward ;voice be tweaked to
make more klatt variants and 4. let edward voice have all pronunciation
abilities of non-klatt espeak.

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espeak

Josh Kennedy
 

no don't get rid of espeak! keep espeak but 1. improve edward and 2. make edward the default voice and 3. let the edward ;voice be tweaked to make more klatt variants and 4. let edward voice have all pronunciation abilities of non-klatt espeak.

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ESpeak edward

Josh Kennedy
 

improve the edward voice. give it the ability to pronounce all languages and phonetics the way normal non--klatt harsh espeak does, and I'll be very very very very happy! edward is great at english but not so good with ESpeak's multilingual abilities i think.

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ESpeak

Josh Kennedy
 

I would love the speech player edward voice to support all of espeak's phonemes and languages as well as the default voice. I like klatt voices. but my issue with klatt edward is that it does not have all the phonemes of original espeak. please fix this because i really like the edward voice and wish i could just use it in any espeak-supported language!

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NVDA and google chrome

Josh Kennedy
 

I noticed with NVDA and google chrome that NVDA does not say when or if objects are clickable like it does in firefox. Is there a way to change this in NVDA's behavior? i do have report if objects are clickable turned on and checked. do any of you use chrome as your default browser or do you still prefer internet explorer or firefox when using NVDA? is chrome good as a default browser with NVDA yet or not?


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Re: AW: AW: Question/Do You Hear a Difference with ESpeak with the new Master and Next Versions?

Enida Skaljo
 

My apology for sent an empty email.

Warm regards,
Enida

Dana 20. 4. 2016. 11:52 osoba "Eigeldinger Simon" <simon.eigeldinger@...> napisala je:

Agreed on this.


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Betreff: Re: [nvda] AW: Question/Do You Hear a Difference with ESpeak with the new Master and Next Versions?

I've not heard much change in the English side of it. I use Quincy. It
depends very much on language though as we know many from the US find Espeak
us does not sound american enough.

Its a very hard thing to pin down
Brian

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From: "Eigeldinger Simon" <simon.eigeldinger@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 9:56 AM
Subject: AW: [nvda] AW: Question/Do You Hear a Difference with ESpeak with
the new Master and Next Versions?


Hi,

Realy?
Seems i got used to espeak so much that i even not notice that.
I use the german language and max as the voice variant.

Greetings,
Simon


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Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. April 2016 10:40
An: nvda@groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] AW: Question/Do You Hear a Difference with ESpeak with
the new Master and Next Versions?

hi,
yes, it does sound very different.

On 4/20/2016 8:28 AM, Eigeldinger Simon wrote:
> Hi David,
>
> I have the feeling it sounds the same as before.
> Using espeak ng now on 3 computers and they seem not to have changed.
>
>
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
>
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> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. April 2016 01:32
> An: nvda@groups.io
> Betreff: [nvda] Question/Do You Hear a Difference with ESpeak with the new
> Master and Next Versions?
>
> Hello.
> I noticed that ESpeak has a more harsher sound to it with the latest
> next and master versions, compared to 2016.1 and earlier releases. I
> have filed a ticket about this and it seems like some people are
> noticing it on some machines while others are not. I suppose I can get
> used to it but I find it just so much harsher and am wondering what
> others who are running these versions perceive?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>














dropbox and windows xp

William Brandes <williambrandes@...>
 

um. just a heads up ... william

We noticed that you're running the Dropbox desktop application
(client) on Windows XP. We're writing to let you know that as of
August 29th, 2016, Dropbox will no longer support this version of
Windows. You can find which devices connected to your account are
running Windows XP by visiting your account page.

Don't worry — your files and photos aren't going anywhere! But you'll
need to update your computer to Windows Vista or later to access them
through the Dropbox desktop application. You can find instructions on
how to update your operating system on Microsoft’s website.

If you don't want to update your operating system, your files will
still be available through the Dropbox website. However, on August
29th, you'll be signed out of your Dropbox account on your computer
and the Dropbox desktop application will no longer be accessible.

We apologize for the inconvenience this may cause. For more
information, please see our Help Center.

Sincerely,
- The Dropbox Team


AW: DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Eigeldinger Simon <simon.eigeldinger@...>
 

Agreed.
Also converting books is very good when doing this with the command line version.
Very fast.
And espeak is very small and lightweight.


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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
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Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. April 2016 14:30
An: nvda@groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Hello from another South African

eSpeak has some features not found in other synthesisers which, in my
view, make it an essential synthesiser to have around. It is the only
one I know which can pronounce the International Phonetic Alphabet and
the Greek alphabet when using an English voice, which is extremely
important for anyone interested in linguistics. It reads diacritic
characters correctly which expensive synthesisers like Ivona cannot even
do. Apart from these linguistic features, eSpeak must be just about the
most responsive synthesiser. It also probably is the most accurate in
its pronunciation of any synthesiser I know; in other words, it
mispronounces fewer words than other synthesisers do. I think the author
of eSpeak, Jonathan Duddington, did a truly wonderful job with eSpeak.

Another point: if you don't particularly care for the default voices
used by eSpeak, you can install and use the MBrola voices which are also
supported by eSpeak and which can pronounce everything eSpeak does.
These voices have a very natural sound. I use the UK English voice.
Installing MBrola is admittedly a mission, but once installed they
definitely are worth the trouble.

Kind regards

Other Christo (by the way, it is not true that half the men in South
Africa are called Christo).

On 2016/04/20 1:15 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:
Christo,

Am also based in SA, and, yes, eSpeak is my choice when using NVDA,
partly due to it handling multiple languages, but, also, since while
it's not particularly natural sounding, it is definitely very
clear-sounding, makes it easy to be pretty sure what you're hearing it
say, etc. - which is also pretty important when working as a
programmer/software developer.

In other words, while understand why some people might prefer somewhat
natural sounding voices, they're definitely not of too much interest
to some of us, all the time...<smile>

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Roger Wilco wants to welcome you...to the space janitor's closet..."

On 2016-04-20 10:53 AM, Christo Vorster wrote:
Hi list

I do not necessarily agree with the idea to do away with ESpeak. I
believe that is a case of "horses for causes."

In South Africa, more specifically, at the Institute for the Blind in
Worcester where I am a lecturer, we extensively use ESpeak to read
Afrikaans. And may I say, the quality of ESpeak's Afrikaans is actually
very good.

I won't mind if the developers do away with ESpeak, but before that
happens I want definite proof that the replacement program has, at
least, the same quality, preferably, better.

Cheers

Christo



Re: DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Rob
 

Christo de Klerk <christodeklerk@...> wrote:

I think the author of eSpeak, Jonathan Duddington, did a truly wonderful job with eSpeak.
Now if we could make it sound less metallic. It isn't clear sound at all--at least to me. It sounds, tonally, like an 80s flashback synth. Nobody is deying its responsiveness or accuracy. However, those qualities were put in place at the expense of clarity.


Re: installation failure, still

Chris Mullins
 

Could you also state if/what anti-virus application you are using?

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: erik burggraaf [mailto:erik@...]
Sent: 20 April 2016 12:43
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] installation failure, still

 

ANy chance you could post us the message from the log?  It may not help, but it would be a start.

 

Thanks,

 

Erik Burggraaf

 

On Apr 20, 2016, at 3:45 AM, marvin kotler <m.kotler53@...> wrote:

 

    Good evening/morning list.  This is Marv here.  First, I am running a laptop with the latest nvda file and vista home premium.  I cannot get nvda to install.  I keep getting a failure message in the log file.  I really does not tell me very much.  Any ideas on what I might try would be appreciated; thanks in advance.

 

 


Re: ESPEAK

Angela Delicata
 

Hi,
I think choosing a synth instead of another is only a personal matter...
So, no one should consider doing away with Espeak because so many people
like it!
Both Espeak and Eloquence should exist.


Il 20/04/2016 12:06, Aravind R ha scritto:
in india, eSpeak only reads most of the indian languages like tamil,
marati, telugu etc and we will struggle to read languages written in
indian languages.
so eSpeak is necessary for us.

On 4/20/16, Christo Vorster <christo.vorster@...> wrote:
Hi list



I do not necessarily agree with the idea to do away with ESpeak. I believe
that is a case of "horses for causes."



In South Africa, more specifically, at the Institute for the Blind in
Worcester where I am a lecturer, we extensively use ESpeak to read
Afrikaans. And may I say, the quality of ESpeak's Afrikaans is actually
very
good.



I won't mind if the developers do away with ESpeak, but before that happens
I want definite proof that the replacement program has, at least, the same
quality, preferably, better.



Cheers



Christo

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Re: NVDA Not Working on Web Sites

Jacob Kruger
 

Have you tried switching between review modes, just to make sure that none of them are working at all?

AFAIK, default mode for webpages should be document review, but anyway.

That's also just to make sure/confirm that NVDA has not mistaken the webpage contents for another type of content, just in case.

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Roger Wilco wants to welcome you...to the space janitor's closet..."

On 2016-04-20 2:26 PM, Rich De Steno wrote:
Suddenly, this morning, NVDA cannot read web sites. When I press tab, I
keep hearing "unknown" and I cannot move around on the page. Everything
else seems to work normally, such as Email, Notepad, TW Blue, and my
other usual programs. I had a sighted person confirm that the web pages
look normal and can be navigated normally with the mouse. It appears as
if some keyboard change has taken place interfering with NVDA's
functioning, but I cannot figure this one out. I am using the current
version of NVDA and Windows 10. This occurs both in Firefox and IE. Any
ideas?


Re: DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Christo de Klerk
 

Hello from another South African

eSpeak has some features not found in other synthesisers which, in my view, make it an essential synthesiser to have around. It is the only one I know which can pronounce the International Phonetic Alphabet and the Greek alphabet when using an English voice, which is extremely important for anyone interested in linguistics. It reads diacritic characters correctly which expensive synthesisers like Ivona cannot even do. Apart from these linguistic features, eSpeak must be just about the most responsive synthesiser. It also probably is the most accurate in its pronunciation of any synthesiser I know; in other words, it mispronounces fewer words than other synthesisers do. I think the author of eSpeak, Jonathan Duddington, did a truly wonderful job with eSpeak.

Another point: if you don't particularly care for the default voices used by eSpeak, you can install and use the MBrola voices which are also supported by eSpeak and which can pronounce everything eSpeak does. These voices have a very natural sound. I use the UK English voice. Installing MBrola is admittedly a mission, but once installed they definitely are worth the trouble.

Kind regards

Other Christo (by the way, it is not true that half the men in South Africa are called Christo).

On 2016/04/20 1:15 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:
Christo,

Am also based in SA, and, yes, eSpeak is my choice when using NVDA, partly due to it handling multiple languages, but, also, since while it's not particularly natural sounding, it is definitely very clear-sounding, makes it easy to be pretty sure what you're hearing it say, etc. - which is also pretty important when working as a programmer/software developer.

In other words, while understand why some people might prefer somewhat natural sounding voices, they're definitely not of too much interest to some of us, all the time...<smile>

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Roger Wilco wants to welcome you...to the space janitor's closet..."

On 2016-04-20 10:53 AM, Christo Vorster wrote:
Hi list

I do not necessarily agree with the idea to do away with ESpeak. I
believe that is a case of "horses for causes."

In South Africa, more specifically, at the Institute for the Blind in
Worcester where I am a lecturer, we extensively use ESpeak to read
Afrikaans. And may I say, the quality of ESpeak's Afrikaans is actually
very good.

I won't mind if the developers do away with ESpeak, but before that
happens I want definite proof that the replacement program has, at
least, the same quality, preferably, better.

Cheers

Christo


NVDA Not Working on Web Sites

Rich De Steno <ironrock@...>
 

Suddenly, this morning, NVDA cannot read web sites. When I press tab, I keep hearing "unknown" and I cannot move around on the page. Everything else seems to work normally, such as Email, Notepad, TW Blue, and my other usual programs. I had a sighted person confirm that the web pages look normal and can be navigated normally with the mouse. It appears as if some keyboard change has taken place interfering with NVDA's functioning, but I cannot figure this one out. I am using the current version of NVDA and Windows 10. This occurs both in Firefox and IE. Any ideas?

--
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Re: Requesting "The Qube" DownLoad Link

Christo Vorster
 

Thanks Rosemarie. Strange that I didn't know it, I don't use Twitter

Regards

-----Original Message-----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria [mailto:knitqueen2007@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2016 6:27 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Requesting "The Qube" DownLoad Link

It's a twitter client.



-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Canazzi [mailto:aa2vm@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 9:24 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Requesting "The Qube" DownLoad Link

Hi Group,

Forgive me for being ignorant, but just what kind of program is the Cube?


On 4/19/2016 6:14 PM, David Moore wrote:
You can just install the new version right over the old version LOL!
If
that does not work, then you can uninstall the old version. One thing I
forgot to mansion! You have to go to the short cut on the desktop and press
applications key and up arrow to properties and find the check box that says
run as administrator and check that in order for the Qube to work. That is
very important. Take care all.


From: Jamie Prater
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 6:09 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Requesting "The Qube" DownLoad Link

Do you have to uninstall the current version of the cube or can you
install like other software?



From: David Moore [mailto:jesusloves1966@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 4:50 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Requesting "The Qube" DownLoad Link



Hello James and all,

Here is the link to the Qube web site to get the Qube for free. Works
great all the way through win10. Here is the link.

http://theqube.oire.org/29





From: James Robinson

Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 11:26 AM

To: nvda@groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Requesting "The Qube" DownLoad Link



Hello David Moore!



I would like to have the link to get the Qube. Thanks for your help.


Sincerely,


James Arthur Robinson, Sr., President
Jardata Corporation


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