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Re: MS EXCEL AND FORMATTING

Heaven Botma <heaven@...>
 

Hi Quentin

 

Thank you for your prompt reply and for attending to these issues.

 

I am glad that you and the developers are working on this. I shall advise my colleagues on this.

 

Kind regards

 

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, 02 November 2016 9:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] MS EXCEL AND FORMATTING

 

Hi Heaven,

 

Thanks for raising these issues.  I have actually recently started looking at Excel as I start to write our Excel training module, so now is a great time to bring up any Excel issues.

 

For the ones you've raised:

 

- If you are navigating around a sheet and press NVDA+F, it will announce some formatting for the current cell, particularly the formatting of the first character.  It doesn't tell you if, for instance, there is a word in bold somewhere in the cell.  Here is our GitHub issue on that: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6478    If you have or create a Github account, you can subscribe to be notified as the status of that issue changes.

 

- If you are editing a cell, because you start typing in it, or you press F2, then NVDA won't announce any formatting.  This is a limitation in Excel and we're talking to Microsoft to hopefully get them to work with us on this.  Here's our Github issue for that: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6479

 

With pressing ENTER not reading the cell that has been moved to, in my testing, I found that:

- If you edit a cell (type something in it etc) and then press ENTER, the new cell location will be read.

- If you do NOT edit a cell (i.e. you press tab to move across a row and then ENTER to move to a new row without actually editing the last cell at least), the new cell location is not read.

 

There is a Next build incorporating a fix, but it hasn't made it to Master yet.  My suggestion for that one in the meantime, is to use the arrow keys to navigate if you are only reading and not editing - or download the latest Next build.

 

Here is the snapshots page if you want to download a Next build.  It looks like it was fixed in the last build on 26 October, so build version 13668,593c63b3 or any of the newer ones should have the fix: http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Heaven Botma <heaven@...> wrote:

Hi Group

 

I have probably mentioned this before, but I would just like to do so again since this is quite a big issue.

 

I would like to report that, although MS Word mentions formatting such as bold, italics and underline when Ctrl+B, Ctrl+I or ctrl+U are pressed respectively, MS Excel does not do this.  When pressing the above-mentioned keys in MS Excel, NVDA stays silent and when one presses Insert+F NVDA either says "no formatting information" or mentiones everything else but what one wants to know.

 

Furthermore, when pressing Enter in Excel, NVDA speeks when it feels like it.  Sometimes it mentions the cell address and sometimes not.  It would help if it always speaks the cell address, since one can easily get lost otherwise.

 

We are using the newest Windows 10 and Office 2010 with NVDA 2016.3 at work.  I am using the newest Master copy of NVDA and I still experience these issues.

 

Thank you for attending to this matter.

 

Kind regards

 

 

 

Heaven Botma

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Re: about vocalizer for nvda 4

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi,


It is available either as a package from CodeFactory with Eloquence as well, or standalone from Tiflotecnia.

Kind regards

Quentin.


On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 4:10 AM, Olcay AŞCI <olcay.ashchi@...> wrote:

Hi

 

How to get vocalizer 4.0, and where on download?

 

Windows 10 için Posta ile gönderildi

 




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Re: Changing the way symbols are spoken

Andre Fisher
 

1. The symbols Pronunciation dialog...Preferences menu
2. The Voice settings dialog...Capital pitch percentage

On 11/2/16, Juan Hernandez <juanhernandez98@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello All,



I have two questions.



1. How can I change the way semicoallens are spoken? When reading
code in my programming softwares, NVDA speaks semi instead of semicoallen.
This isn’t a huge deal, but I would like to change it. I found the place to
change punction how it is spoken, and so when I am up/down arrowing through
the lines of code, it works great, but when I left/right arrow over it it
still speaks semi. Also when I press the semicoallen key, it says semi; how
can I change this? Or can I even change it through the config interface? Or
will I have to change it in the code?

2. How can I change the pitch of the capital letters?

Best,



Juan




Changing the way symbols are spoken

Juan Hernandez
 

Hello All,

 

I have two questions.

 

1.        How can I change the way semicoallens are spoken? When reading code in my programming softwares, NVDA speaks semi instead of semicoallen.  This isn’t a huge deal, but I would like to change it.  I found the place to change punction how it is spoken, and so when I am up/down arrowing through the lines of code, it works great, but when I left/right arrow over it it still speaks semi.  Also when I press the semicoallen key, it says semi; how can I change this? Or can I even change it through the config interface? Or will I have to change it in the code?

2.       How can I change the pitch of the capital letters?

Best,

 

Juan

 


about vocalizer for nvda 4

Olcay AŞCI
 

Hi

 

How to get vocalizer 4.0, and where on download?

 

Windows 10 için Posta ile gönderildi

 


Re: MS EXCEL AND FORMATTING

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Heaven,

Thanks for raising these issues.  I have actually recently started looking at Excel as I start to write our Excel training module, so now is a great time to bring up any Excel issues.

For the ones you've raised:

- If you are navigating around a sheet and press NVDA+F, it will announce some formatting for the current cell, particularly the formatting of the first character.  It doesn't tell you if, for instance, there is a word in bold somewhere in the cell.  Here is our GitHub issue on that: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6478    If you have or create a Github account, you can subscribe to be notified as the status of that issue changes.

- If you are editing a cell, because you start typing in it, or you press F2, then NVDA won't announce any formatting.  This is a limitation in Excel and we're talking to Microsoft to hopefully get them to work with us on this.  Here's our Github issue for that: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6479

With pressing ENTER not reading the cell that has been moved to, in my testing, I found that:
- If you edit a cell (type something in it etc) and then press ENTER, the new cell location will be read.
- If you do NOT edit a cell (i.e. you press tab to move across a row and then ENTER to move to a new row without actually editing the last cell at least), the new cell location is not read.

There is a Next build incorporating a fix, but it hasn't made it to Master yet.  My suggestion for that one in the meantime, is to use the arrow keys to navigate if you are only reading and not editing - or download the latest Next build.

Here is the snapshots page if you want to download a Next build.  It looks like it was fixed in the last build on 26 October, so build version 13668,593c63b3 or any of the newer ones should have the fix: http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Heaven Botma <heaven@...> wrote:

Hi Group

 

I have probably mentioned this before, but I would just like to do so again since this is quite a big issue.

 

I would like to report that, although MS Word mentions formatting such as bold, italics and underline when Ctrl+B, Ctrl+I or ctrl+U are pressed respectively, MS Excel does not do this.  When pressing the above-mentioned keys in MS Excel, NVDA stays silent and when one presses Insert+F NVDA either says "no formatting information" or mentiones everything else but what one wants to know.

 

Furthermore, when pressing Enter in Excel, NVDA speeks when it feels like it.  Sometimes it mentions the cell address and sometimes not.  It would help if it always speaks the cell address, since one can easily get lost otherwise.

 

We are using the newest Windows 10 and Office 2010 with NVDA 2016.3 at work.  I am using the newest Master copy of NVDA and I still experience these issues.

 

Thank you for attending to this matter.

 

Kind regards

 

 

 

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MS EXCEL AND FORMATTING

Heaven Botma <heaven@...>
 

Hi Group

 

I have probably mentioned this before, but I would just like to do so again since this is quite a big issue.

 

I would like to report that, although MS Word mentions formatting such as bold, italics and underline when Ctrl+B, Ctrl+I or ctrl+U are pressed respectively, MS Excel does not do this.  When pressing the above-mentioned keys in MS Excel, NVDA stays silent and when one presses Insert+F NVDA either says "no formatting information" or mentiones everything else but what one wants to know.

 

Furthermore, when pressing Enter in Excel, NVDA speeks when it feels like it.  Sometimes it mentions the cell address and sometimes not.  It would help if it always speaks the cell address, since one can easily get lost otherwise.

 

We are using the newest Windows 10 and Office 2010 with NVDA 2016.3 at work.  I am using the newest Master copy of NVDA and I still experience these issues.

 

Thank you for attending to this matter.

 

Kind regards

 

 

 

Heaven Botma

Dosent: Kaleidoskoop Opleidingskollege

Lecturer: Kaleidoscope Training College

 

T: 023 348 7634

C: 063 692 2573

F: 023 348 7633

E: heaven@...

W: www.kaleidoscopesa.org

Adderleystraat 20 Adderley Street

Posbus 233 P.O. Box, Worcester, 6849

 

 

 

 

 

 


NVDA does not immidiately track focus

mcLeod stinnett
 

nvda sometimes does not track focus immidiately, what does this message mean. how do you change the idle time, thanks. here is message.
Brian's Mail list account
Oct 25 #10068

Well I sometimes used to get it when scrolling up and down lists as well, it was improved a lot by making sure that the processor at idle actually used more of its valuable time, by which I mean I set idle to over 50 percent



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Re: Outlook.com or Outlook Web Access

 

This becomes somewhat messy because of the "who gets to look at the keyboard shortcut" hierarchy and something may be stopping it.

Take a look at the following articles:

http://winsupersite.com/article/windows-live/outlookcom-tip-keyboard-shortcuts-143905

https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-use-outlook-com-e-mail-with-keyboard-shortcuts/ 

https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Keyboard-shortcuts-in-Outlook-on-the-web-63df572e-1078-4562-b45e-b93e07a76ffb?ui=en-US&rs=en-US&ad=US&fromAR=1 

https://www.msoutlook.info/question/keyboard-shortcuts-for-outlookweb-owa-and-outlookcom 

The first and second articles note that you have to turn the keyboard shortcuts feature on, and I know this was true of Gmail's web interface as well.  Turning them on may fix the issue entirely.

Otherwise, I'd try is hitting NVDA Key+F2, which is the pass-through key which tells NVDA to ignore the keyboard shortcut you are about to type and to pass it through directly to the program you're running beneath NVDA.  This gets messy for multi-stroke keyboard shortcuts, though.  Something like ALT+T is a single keystroke, while ALT+T, followed by K, followed by O is a three-keystroke sequence from the computer's view (and, I suspect that NVDA might require a pass through command before each single item in a sequence).  This should work, or at least would determine whether or not there's another setting that might need tweaking.  

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Outlook.com or Outlook Web Access

Babcock LDPVI
 

Hello:

Can someone point me in the right direction?

I am looking for some keyboard shortcuts to use with Outlook.com or Outlook Web Access. To be clear, I am trying to access my emails via my browser.

I have looked online and for some reason, with NVDA running, few of the shortcuts work.

Is there something obvious that I am doing wrong?

I am using Firefox and Microsoft Edge on Windows 10 and NVDA version 2016.3.


Thanks,


Re: backup software

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Richard,
Bearing in mind that a 30 day trial is available, can't I just create
a disk image and store it on an external flashdrive within a period of
30 days? Is it necessary for the same program to be present to recover
contents from that image, or can the backup extraction be performed
via other utilities?
I have an unclear understanding of backup software, therefore am
unaware of the pertinence of a backup utility such as the one
recommended to the extraction of data from that disk image. I would
really appreciate some light to be shed in this regard.
Thanks.

On 11/1/16, Richard Kuzma via Groups.io <rmkuzma=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Good morning,

I use a program called image for windows.

It is not free although,

It works perfectly fine and is nvda friendly.

It is a disk imaging utility and backups your entire drive to a single
image
file,

And it is mountable as a usb drive once it is complete.

The program costs around thirty nine dollars and when I boght it it came
with a three pc licence.

They do offer a thirty day trial.

Let me know if this helps out.

Rich

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backup software

Richard Kuzma
 

Good morning,

I use a program called image for windows.

It is not free although,

It works perfectly fine and is nvda friendly.

It is a disk imaging utility and backups your entire drive to a single image file,

And it is mountable as a usb drive once it is complete.

The program costs around thirty nine dollars and when I boght it it came with a three pc licence.

They do offer a thirty day trial.

Let me know if this helps out.

Rich


Data Backup Program Recommendations Required

Bhavya shah
 

Dear all,
I am required to backup data from my two old Windows 7 laptops, and I
would really appreciate some suggestions on free accessible data
backup utilities available.
I would truly appreciate any assistance!
Thanks.

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Contacting Me
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Re: A serious language problem

Tyler Spivey
 

NVDA+ctrl+g, end, enter, enter.

On 11/1/2016 1:58 AM, Arnþór Helgason wrote:
I wanted NVDA to read for me some Chinese text.
I made the big mistake of changing the language settings but thought
that I hadn't saved the setting.
Now the Icelandic works with Espeak, but I cannot configure NVDA as I do
not understand the Chinese menu.
I tried to uninstall NVDA and reinstall it but the Chinese comes always
through.
What can I do to fix this problem so that NVDA starts speaking my native
language in both commands and text?

Best regards,
Arnthor Helgason


Re: Is this possible

Peter Beasley
 

I use rtf all the time.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is this possible

Actually here in the UK RNIB and others always use Doc. I think there are
many reasons for it, the converters are not that good, the use of older
hardware is still very high, and as far as I'm aware Dolphin guide users
still have problems with Docx files.
Personally I like RTF, but then I'm perverse that way!

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is this possible


Yes, it's possible, and it's not NVDA or other screen reader specific.

ALT+F, T to open the Options Menu

Down arrow to the Save pane then tab over to the first item, "Save files in
this format:" dropdown box then drop it down with Down Arrow and continue
down arrowing through the list until you find the format you prefer then
select it.

Get to the OK button and activate it and you're set.

The above being said, I would not change from .docx back to .doc without
very good reason. There are plugins for older versions of Word (read: prior
to Word 2007) that allow them to open .docx files. The .docx format has been
the standard since Word 2007 and the vast majority of Word users are on Word
2007 or later.
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Re: Is this possible

 

Doc is supported from office 0 right through till office 2003.
However there is no reason you can't get office 2007 and up to save in old doc format all the time, I havn't doodled but you can.
I like rtf, and doc, however not to many things use rtf anymore.
I use text for most things but there is no formats on that one.
Sometimes I use pdfs, at least with the codex program I can write in one format and convert to another for someone else to read.

On 1/11/2016 9:30 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Actually here in the UK RNIB and others always use Doc. I think there
are many reasons for it, the converters are not that good, the use of
older hardware is still very high, and as far as I'm aware Dolphin guide
users still have problems with Docx files.
Personally I like RTF, but then I'm perverse that way!

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is this possible


Yes, it's possible, and it's not NVDA or other screen reader specific.

ALT+F, T to open the Options Menu

Down arrow to the Save pane then tab over to the first item, "Save files
in this format:" dropdown box then drop it down with Down Arrow and
continue down arrowing through the list until you find the format you
prefer then select it.

Get to the OK button and activate it and you're set.

The above being said, I would not change from .docx back to .doc without
very good reason. There are plugins for older versions of Word (read:
prior to Word 2007) that allow them to open .docx files. The .docx
format has been the standard since Word 2007 and the vast majority of
Word users are on Word 2007 or later.
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you’re alive, it isn’t.*

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Re: A serious language problem

Jacob Kruger
 

Alternatively, if you just hit NVDA + ctrl + V, it should bring up voice dialogue, and you could then just try pressing the first letter of a language you can work with, like E for english, I for icelandic, etc., and see if that helps?


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
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On 2016-11-01 10:58 AM, Arnþór Helgason wrote:
I wanted NVDA to read for me some Chinese text.
I made the big mistake of changing the language settings but thought that I hadn't saved the setting.
Now the Icelandic works with Espeak, but I cannot configure NVDA as I do not understand the Chinese menu.
I tried to uninstall NVDA and reinstall it but the Chinese comes always through.
What can I do to fix this problem so that NVDA starts speaking my native language in both commands and text?

Best regards,
Arnthor Helgason


Re: A serious language problem

Jacob Kruger
 

NVDA key + ctrl + R pressed three times in quick succession to revert to factory default settings?


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-11-01 10:58 AM, Arnþór Helgason wrote:
I wanted NVDA to read for me some Chinese text.
I made the big mistake of changing the language settings but thought that I hadn't saved the setting.
Now the Icelandic works with Espeak, but I cannot configure NVDA as I do not understand the Chinese menu.
I tried to uninstall NVDA and reinstall it but the Chinese comes always through.
What can I do to fix this problem so that NVDA starts speaking my native language in both commands and text?

Best regards,
Arnthor Helgason


A serious language problem

Arnþór Helgason
 

I wanted NVDA to read for me some Chinese text.
I made the big mistake of changing the language settings but thought that I hadn't saved the setting.
Now the Icelandic works with Espeak, but I cannot configure NVDA as I do not understand the Chinese menu.
I tried to uninstall NVDA and reinstall it but the Chinese comes always through.
What can I do to fix this problem so that NVDA starts speaking my native language in both commands and text?

Best regards,
Arnthor Helgason


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the codefactory addon

mattias
 

annyone else have issues with the nvda addon from cf?

sometimes the license are lost..