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Re: Firefox Browse & Focus Mode

 

Gene,

         The longer I work with screen readers the more I adopt your opinion, but we are, from what I've been able to tell, in the minority.  I actually think it's easier to know that "I'm always in state X unless I choose state Y," than having to think about what the software did in response to something I may not have actually intended to do (and we all know that happens).

         So long as users know that they can turn the automatic mode-switching feature off, each "side" can have the best of both worlds, so to speak.
--
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    ~ Lauren Bacall

    



Re: Acapela for NVDA v1.4 released: TTS voice update, new scottish voice and more

Paolo Leva
 

Hi Christopher, for all license and support questions, just drop me an email at contact@...


Re: Acapela for NVDA v1.4 released: TTS voice update, new scottish voice and more

Paolo Leva
 

Thanks Don for your question,

pricing is here: http://www.acapela-nvda.com/buy/

download is here: http://www.acapela-nvda.com/download/

After first usage you have 15 days free license before you need to buy a license.


Re: test mail

 

It made it to the web interface, so the message was successfully processed on the NVDA group of Groups.io.
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Re: Firefox and NVDA can't read some links on this page

Stephen
 

a sighted person told me the links were there and he had to click them with the mouse to activate them.

At 08:57 PM 11/30/2016, you wrote:
If you cannot read them how do you know they are there? I've looked at this page in both ff an ie and apart from some order of text changes they seem the same to me. No graphics are mentioned, with or without links.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen" <whocrazy@internode.on.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:26 AM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox and NVDA can't read some links on this page


Hi there.
if I go to:
https://betrayalseries.com/gold-package?inf_contact_key=289607e2621efa077205a1d5ccc7d3842dc71e7c9d91205cd287f246ffd6dde7
There are some graphical links I need to click on to get to the order form, however, NVDA doesn't see them.
Can this problem be fixed? is it a firefox issue or a prlbme with NVDA?
Thanks.



Re: Acapela for NVDA v1.4 released: TTS voice update, new scottish voice and more

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


I wrote you privately, but I lost my license in a computer crash, and need to know how to get the code back.
 
Can you please write me off list with more information?
 
 
If you can't find my license with that e-mail address, let me know. I have another one I may have put it under. I'd rather not disclose that address publicly though as I don't use it very often.
 
Again, please write me off list.
 
 
Thanks, and god bless.
 
Chris.


Re: Acapela for NVDA v1.4 released: TTS voice update, new scottish voice and more

Don H
 

Don't see pricing or where to buy info for these voices.

On 11/30/2016 8:23 AM, Paolo Leva wrote:
Just a brief message to say that we have released a new version of the
Acapela TTS for NVDA add-ons, including update for all voices, a new
female Scottish voice (Rhona) and more. For more information about this
update, check here:
http://www.acapela-nvda.com/blog/2016/11/30/acapela-for-nvda-v1-4-is-here/<http://www.acapela-nvda.com/blog/2016/11/30/acapela-for-nvda-v1-4-is-here/>

Thanks,

Paolo


Acapela for NVDA v1.4 released: TTS voice update, new scottish voice and more

Paolo Leva
 

Just a brief message to say that we have released a new version of the Acapela TTS for NVDA add-ons, including update for all voices, a new female Scottish voice (Rhona) and more. For more information about this update, check here: http://www.acapela-nvda.com/blog/2016/11/30/acapela-for-nvda-v1-4-is-here/

Thanks,

Paolo


test mail

sazid
 

dear list, as this isa test mail please tell me that my mail is
reaching this group or not.

thanks and regards,


Re: Firefox and NVDA can't read some links on this page

sazid
 

On 11/30/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
Maybe not but its a bit of a bodged up bit of html in any case. I would not

trust them with any of my personal data, in case their back office abilities

are as bad as their page design!

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox and NVDA can't read some links on this page


It's not a scam site I can assure you.
At 04:18 PM 11/30/2016, you wrote:

Hi Gene,


On this site, as I suspected, you must move into forms mode to access some

of the clickable items. This is true of the Tune In radio site and is on

this site as well. Even though there is no reference to a link or even on

this site, the word clickable, if you go into forms mode (insert + space
bar) and use the tab key, some of those links become operable. I didn't
want to chance going very far on this site--because as you have mentioned,

I get all sorts of warning from Firefox that the site may not be secure.


My personal opinion is that this is a scam site and people should avoid
it.



On 11/29/2016 11:37 PM, Gene wrote:
I'm not sure what links you are referring to. I saw some items with
question marks before them which looked as though they should be links
but they aren't shown as links. Also clicking on such links as the
American residents click here link produced no results. Neither did
activating the link using object navigation commands. Neither did
routing the mouse to the link and left clicking. You said they are
graphical links. I see nothing that reads like image code nor anyting
indicating that any links aren't graphical. there is no inherent reason

that graphical links can't be clicked on. Unlabeled graphic links may
read as code with may not be decipherable but they can usually be
followed. I don't know what the problem is but my speculation is that
the links may not be clickable from the keyboard. Some links by design
can't be clicked on from the keyboard. But whether that means that using

the NVDA click mouse command also should fail is something I don't know.

Also, this may not be anything to worry about but I'd think twice about
giving information to this site. I was able to load it with firefox but

Google presents the following message:
The client and server don't support a common SSL protocol version or
cipher suite. This is likely to be caused when the server needs RC4,
which is no longer considered secure.

Chrome wouldn't load the page.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:whocrazy@internode.on.net>Stephen
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 9:26 PM
To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Firefox and NVDA can't read some links on this page

Hi there.
if I go to:
<https://betrayalseries.com/gold-package?inf_contact_key=289607e2621efa077205a1d5ccc7d3842dc71e7c9d91205cd287f246ffd6dde7>https://betrayalseries.com/gold-package?inf_contact_key=289607e2621efa077205a1d5ccc7d3842dc71e7c9d91205cd287f246ffd6dde7
There are some graphical links I need to click on to get to the order
form, however, NVDA doesn't see them.
Can this problem be fixed? is it a firefox issue or a prlbme with NVDA?
Thanks.


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Re: Firefox and NVDA can't read some links on this page

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Maybe not but its a bit of a bodged up bit of html in any case. I would not trust them with any of my personal data, in case their back office abilities are as bad as their page design!

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Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox and NVDA can't read some links on this page


It's not a scam site I can assure you.
At 04:18 PM 11/30/2016, you wrote:

Hi Gene,


On this site, as I suspected, you must move into forms mode to access some of the clickable items. This is true of the Tune In radio site and is on this site as well. Even though there is no reference to a link or even on this site, the word clickable, if you go into forms mode (insert + space bar) and use the tab key, some of those links become operable. I didn't want to chance going very far on this site--because as you have mentioned, I get all sorts of warning from Firefox that the site may not be secure.


My personal opinion is that this is a scam site and people should avoid it.



On 11/29/2016 11:37 PM, Gene wrote:
I'm not sure what links you are referring to. I saw some items with question marks before them which looked as though they should be links but they aren't shown as links. Also clicking on such links as the American residents click here link produced no results. Neither did activating the link using object navigation commands. Neither did routing the mouse to the link and left clicking. You said they are graphical links. I see nothing that reads like image code nor anyting indicating that any links aren't graphical. there is no inherent reason that graphical links can't be clicked on. Unlabeled graphic links may read as code with may not be decipherable but they can usually be followed. I don't know what the problem is but my speculation is that the links may not be clickable from the keyboard. Some links by design can't be clicked on from the keyboard. But whether that means that using the NVDA click mouse command also should fail is something I don't know.

Also, this may not be anything to worry about but I'd think twice about giving information to this site. I was able to load it with firefox but Google presents the following message:
The client and server don't support a common SSL protocol version or cipher suite. This is likely to be caused when the server needs RC4, which is no longer considered secure.

Chrome wouldn't load the page.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:whocrazy@internode.on.net>Stephen
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 9:26 PM
To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Firefox and NVDA can't read some links on this page

Hi there.
if I go to:
<https://betrayalseries.com/gold-package?inf_contact_key=289607e2621efa077205a1d5ccc7d3842dc71e7c9d91205cd287f246ffd6dde7>https://betrayalseries.com/gold-package?inf_contact_key=289607e2621efa077205a1d5ccc7d3842dc71e7c9d91205cd287f246ffd6dde7
There are some graphical links I need to click on to get to the order
form, however, NVDA doesn't see them.
Can this problem be fixed? is it a firefox issue or a prlbme with NVDA?
Thanks.


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Re: Firefox and NVDA can't read some links on this page

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Not only that, but the page has no header navigation or any other useful shortcuts, so may have been hand coded a long time ago by somebody who is not very well versed in accessability.
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----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 4:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox and NVDA can't read some links on this page


I'm not sure what links you are referring to. I saw some items with question marks before them which looked as though they should be links but they aren't shown as links. Also clicking on such links as the American residents click here link produced no results. Neither did activating the link using object navigation commands. Neither did routing the mouse to the link and left clicking. You said they are graphical links. I see nothing that reads like image code nor anyting indicating that any links aren't graphical. there is no inherent reason that graphical links can't be clicked on. Unlabeled graphic links may read as code with may not be decipherable but they can usually be followed. I don't know what the problem is but my speculation is that the links may not be clickable from the keyboard. Some links by design can't be clicked on from the keyboard. But whether that means that using the NVDA click mouse command also should fail is something I don't know.

Also, this may not be anything to worry about but I'd think twice about giving information to this site. I was able to load it with firefox but Google presents the following message:
The client and server don't support a common SSL protocol version or cipher suite. This is likely to be caused when the server needs RC4, which is no longer considered secure.

Chrome wouldn't load the page.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Stephen
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 9:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Firefox and NVDA can't read some links on this page


Hi there.
if I go to:
https://betrayalseries.com/gold-package?inf_contact_key=289607e2621efa077205a1d5ccc7d3842dc71e7c9d91205cd287f246ffd6dde7
There are some graphical links I need to click on to get to the order
form, however, NVDA doesn't see them.
Can this problem be fixed? is it a firefox issue or a prlbme with NVDA?
Thanks.


Re: Firefox and NVDA can't read some links on this page

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If you cannot read them how do you know they are there? I've looked at this page in both ff an ie and apart from some order of text changes they seem the same to me. No graphics are mentioned, with or without links.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen" <whocrazy@internode.on.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:26 AM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox and NVDA can't read some links on this page


Hi there.
if I go to:
https://betrayalseries.com/gold-package?inf_contact_key=289607e2621efa077205a1d5ccc7d3842dc71e7c9d91205cd287f246ffd6dde7
There are some graphical links I need to click on to get to the order form, however, NVDA doesn't see them.
Can this problem be fixed? is it a firefox issue or a prlbme with NVDA?
Thanks.



Re: Firefox Browse & Focus Mode

Gene
 

The solution is to turn automation off.  Thank you for presenting another argument to make my case.  I don't use automation and I'm an experienced user.  I don't want to remember when a change should occur and when not.  It really isn't a burden to change these settings manually. 
 
Gene

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Browse & Focus Mode

Yes and I don't like the way it works. Its maybe just me but I find so many
forms where the title is not read, that I need to get out into browse mode a
lot and with the differing rules in the way the mode switched it can get
very confusing actually which one you are in, often resulting in a tendency
to type in browse mode making the screen position go berserk. To me I'd
rather that  focus mode was always a noise or voice, even if coming from a
similar field. There seems no way to get this to happen in the settings.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Browse & Focus Mode


Just to add a bit more info on changing between focus and browse modes:

- If you press TAB to move onto a form field (like an edit box), NVDA will
automatically switch from Browse to Focus mode.
- If you use the arrows or single letter navigation (eg E for edit box) to
get there, NVDA does NOT automatically switch to focus mode (you may not
want that edit box but need to get past it to the next one).

If you find yourself on a form field in Browse mode, you can press ENTER to
go into Focus mode.  Similarly, when in a form field, if you want to go
back to Browse mode, press ESCAPE.

If you press NVDA+spacebar, then it forces NVDA to change modes (from
Browse to Focus or Focus to Browse), and from that point, will stay in
whatever mode it has just changed to, until you press NVDA+spacebar to
change again or a new web page loads.  This feature is particularly useful
when completing a long web form which has many form fields interspersed
with text and you don't want it to keep jumping between focus and browse
modes.

(And yes, there are several topics on this in the Basic Training module for
anyone wanting a bit more practice or info).

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 5:29 AM, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...>
wrote:

> Hi Brian
>
> In the ‘Browse  Mode’ dialog, if you uncheck the box ‘Audio indication of
> focus and browse modes’, NVDA says ‘Browse’ or ‘Focus Mode’ instead of
> using the sounds you described.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
> *Brian
> Vogel
> *Sent:* 29 November 2016 17:32
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Firefox Browse & Focus Mode
>
>
>
> I have never had NVDA announce browse versus focus mode verbally, though I
> imagine it could be a setting.
>
> If I land in a field where the mode automatically changes from browse to
> focus NVDA plays a sound that is a high-pitched, quick electronic beep
> paired with a sound somewhat like keyboard key being struck.  If I switch
> back to browse mode by hitting NVDA+Spacebar the sound is a single alert
> that sounds a bit like a bell being struck.
>
> I just tested in a couple of Firefox pages and things are behaving as
> expected with NVDA's default settings.  I don't get those transition
> sounds
> from NVDA when I land in an edit box, though, it announces what I've
> landed
> in and says "editable" (I think).
> --
> *Brian*
>
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> you’re alive, it isn’t.*
>
>     ~ Lauren Bacall
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: Firefox Browse & Focus Mode

Gene
 

That would result in annoyance for many users, hearing the same sound over and over again, telling you what you should know.  If you aren't notified that you have changed modes, then you haven't.  and if you are using verbal notification, you would hear browse mode or forms mode spoken every time you moved to another field.  Real oververbosity.  My strong opinion is that any automatic switching should be off by default.  When new or inexperienced Internet users are learning, I believe they understand more easily what is occurring and learn when to be in which mode better and with less confusion if they have to manually make these changes.  A new or inexperienced user should hear these items spoken when switched, not sounds that tell the person nothing if the person doesn't know what they mean.  Also, the person may be confused by the tab key responding one way when moving to a field and the arrow keys acting another. 
 
I don't like any screen-reader automating such changes by default. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Browse & Focus Mode

Not really. It works for me. The only thing I find a bit confusing is the
way that it does not actually make the sound if you tab  or somehow move to
another edit field from an existing one. I'd kind of prefer to be told each
time.
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Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 1:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Browse & Focus Mode


I am really struggling to toggle between the browse and focus mode when
using Firefox. The shortcut "insert + spacebar" doesn't work. Has anyone
else experienced this and found a solution,

Thanks,




Re: Firefox Browse & Focus Mode

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Yes and I don't like the way it works. Its maybe just me but I find so many forms where the title is not read, that I need to get out into browse mode a lot and with the differing rules in the way the mode switched it can get very confusing actually which one you are in, often resulting in a tendency to type in browse mode making the screen position go berserk. To me I'd rather that focus mode was always a noise or voice, even if coming from a similar field. There seems no way to get this to happen in the settings.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Browse & Focus Mode


Just to add a bit more info on changing between focus and browse modes:

- If you press TAB to move onto a form field (like an edit box), NVDA will
automatically switch from Browse to Focus mode.
- If you use the arrows or single letter navigation (eg E for edit box) to
get there, NVDA does NOT automatically switch to focus mode (you may not
want that edit box but need to get past it to the next one).

If you find yourself on a form field in Browse mode, you can press ENTER to
go into Focus mode. Similarly, when in a form field, if you want to go
back to Browse mode, press ESCAPE.

If you press NVDA+spacebar, then it forces NVDA to change modes (from
Browse to Focus or Focus to Browse), and from that point, will stay in
whatever mode it has just changed to, until you press NVDA+spacebar to
change again or a new web page loads. This feature is particularly useful
when completing a long web form which has many form fields interspersed
with text and you don't want it to keep jumping between focus and browse
modes.

(And yes, there are several topics on this in the Basic Training module for
anyone wanting a bit more practice or info).

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 5:29 AM, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi Brian

In the ‘Browse Mode’ dialog, if you uncheck the box ‘Audio indication of
focus and browse modes’, NVDA says ‘Browse’ or ‘Focus Mode’ instead of
using the sounds you described.



Cheers

Chris



*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Brian
Vogel
*Sent:* 29 November 2016 17:32
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Firefox Browse & Focus Mode



I have never had NVDA announce browse versus focus mode verbally, though I
imagine it could be a setting.

If I land in a field where the mode automatically changes from browse to
focus NVDA plays a sound that is a high-pitched, quick electronic beep
paired with a sound somewhat like keyboard key being struck. If I switch
back to browse mode by hitting NVDA+Spacebar the sound is a single alert
that sounds a bit like a bell being struck.

I just tested in a couple of Firefox pages and things are behaving as
expected with NVDA's default settings. I don't get those transition sounds
from NVDA when I land in an edit box, though, it announces what I've landed
in and says "editable" (I think).
--
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you’re alive, it isn’t.*

~ Lauren Bacall








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Re: Firefox Browse & Focus Mode

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Yes as I say, I find this behaviour annoying. It is basically saying I'm not going to tell you in noises as I'm still in the focus mode. after all as Jamie says, you would not expect every non editable text line to have the little bong noise of browse mode, would you?
Tis not that simple though, is it as you may or may not want to edit that field, but you don't need to know about continuesd browse mode. I also find that it remembers the mode from one firefox session to another so that it does not always announce it then when you come back in either. Hit and miss.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Browse & Focus Mode


I have never had NVDA announce browse versus focus mode verbally, though I imagine it could be a setting.

If I land in a field where the mode automatically changes from browse to focus NVDA plays a sound that is a high-pitched, quick electronic beep paired with a sound somewhat like keyboard key being struck. If I switch back to browse mode by hitting NVDA+Spacebar the sound is a single alert that sounds a bit like a bell being struck.

I just tested in a couple of Firefox pages and things are behaving as expected with NVDA's default settings. I don't get those transition sounds from NVDA when I land in an edit box, though, it announces what I've landed in and says "editable" (I think).
--
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Re: Firefox Browse & Focus Mode

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That depends very much on settings and where you are and what type of field it is.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Browse & Focus Mode


hi.
you can press tab to navigate between focus and brows mode.
God bless you.

On 11/29/16, Babcock LDPVI <babcockldpvi@gmail.com> wrote:
I am really struggling to toggle between the browse and focus mode when
using Firefox. The shortcut "insert + spacebar" doesn't work. Has anyone
else experienced this and found a solution,

Thanks,

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Re: Firefox Browse & Focus Mode

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Not really. It works for me. The only thing I find a bit confusing is the way that it does not actually make the sound if you tab or somehow move to another edit field from an existing one. I'd kind of prefer to be told each time.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Babcock LDPVI" <babcockldpvi@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 1:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Browse & Focus Mode


I am really struggling to toggle between the browse and focus mode when using Firefox. The shortcut "insert + spacebar" doesn't work. Has anyone else experienced this and found a solution,

Thanks,


Re: Firefox and NVDA can't read some links on this page

Gene
 

I tried some links that didn't work in browse mode and they didn't work in forms mode either.  It may be that some links can be made to work as you suggest but the ones I tried didn't. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox and NVDA can't read some links on this page

Hi Gene,


On this site, as I suspected, you must move into forms mode to access some of the clickable items.  This is true of the Tune In radio site and is on this site as well.  Even though there is no reference to a link or even on this site, the word clickable, if you go into forms mode (insert + space bar) and use the tab key, some of those links become operable.  I didn't want to chance going very far on this site--because as you have mentioned, I get all sorts of warning from Firefox that the site may not be secure.


My personal opinion is that this is a scam site and people should avoid it.



On 11/29/2016 11:37 PM, Gene wrote:
I'm not sure what links you are referring to.  I saw some items with question marks before them which looked as though they should be links but they aren't shown as links.  Also clicking on such links as the American residents click here link produced no results.  Neither did activating the link using object navigation commands.  Neither did routing the mouse to the link and left clicking.  You said they are graphical links.  I see nothing that reads like image code nor anyting indicating that any links aren't graphical.  there is no inherent reason that graphical links can't be clicked on.  Unlabeled graphic links may read as code with may not be decipherable but they can usually be followed.  I don't know what the problem is but my speculation is that the links may not be clickable from the keyboard.  Some links by design can't be clicked on from the keyboard.  But whether that means that using the NVDA click mouse command also should fail is something I don't know.
 
Also, this may not be anything to worry about but I'd think twice about giving information to this site.  I was able to load it with firefox but Google presents the following message:
The client and server don't support a common SSL protocol version or cipher suite. This is likely to be caused when the server needs RC4, which is no longer considered secure.
 
Chrome wouldn't load the page.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 9:26 PM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox and NVDA can't read some links on this page

Hi there.
if I go to:
https://betrayalseries.com/gold-package?inf_contact_key=289607e2621efa077205a1d5ccc7d3842dc71e7c9d91205cd287f246ffd6dde7
There are some graphical links I need to click on to get to the order
form, however, NVDA doesn't see them.
Can this problem be fixed? is it a firefox issue or a prlbme with NVDA?
Thanks.




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