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Re: TWBlue stopped working, please help?

Lisa P Geibel
 

Hi Kevin,
Just tried this and nothing happened again. It's like the icon is there, but the computer has no clue what it's supposed to do when you hit enter on it or try to run it as administrator.

Lisa
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On 4/18/16 6:34 AM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.io wrote:
No, just make a fresh short cut to the exe file and it should run. I
have had this as well on windows10 and this for some reason seems to fix
it.

On 18/04/2016 04:34, Arlene wrote:
Hi there: If that was me. I'd just uninstall that program. It's up to
you what you want to do with it. Someone else on the list can better
tell you. I'm saying if that's me I'd get rid of the program.

-----Original Message-----
From: Lisa P Geibel [mailto:lisapgeibel429@...]
Sent: April-17-16 8:23 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] TWBlue stopped working, please help?

Hi,
I know I've heard about people with this program and it not working. I
even went through the time when extra characters were added to the
twblue.exe file, but this is not the case now. We've uninstalled and
reinstalled the latest version, but still nothing. Restarted the
computer and still nothing. Tried hitting enter on the desktop icon for
the program, tried running it as administrator with the context key,
tried loading it from the twblue.exe icon in the program files folder
and still nothing. Does anyone have any ideas or should we really say a
final farewell to this great program? We're running Windows 10 with the
latest build of NVDA and also have the latest version of JAWS, but it
won't work that way either. Any ideas or help would be greatly
appreciated? Thanks.


Re: Where does NVDA save its setting about running in login screens?

Chris Mullins
 

I've just amended my user profile, then opened the general settings menu and
pressed the "use current profile on log-on and other secure screens",
button. This gives a warning about copying to system config and when I Ok
the dialog, copies my profile to:

C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\systemConfig\NVDA.ini.

I'm using Windows 7 64-bit with NVDA 2016.01.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: Eigeldinger Simon [mailto:simon.eigeldinger@...]
Sent: 18 April 2016 06:56
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: AW: [nvda] Where does NVDA save its setting about running in login
screens?

Hi Chris,

There isn't anything more as far as i can see there where it gets saved.
Seems it doesn't get saved in an ini file.

Greetings,
simon


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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Chris Mullins [mailto:cjmullins29@...]
Gesendet: Freitag, 15. April 2016 14:53
An: nvda@groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Where does NVDA save its setting about running in login
screens?

Hi Simon
Perhaps you missed the response from Joseph Lee yesterday where he indicated
an INI file is used and it is stored in the program folder. On my system I
believe it to be the nvda.ini file in

C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\systemConfig

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: Eigeldinger Simon [mailto:simon.eigeldinger@...]
Sent: 15 April 2016 06:09
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: AW: [nvda] Where does NVDA save its setting about running in login
screens?

Hi Brian,

Well basically i just want to know where this is saved. In a file or
registry.
We have a bunch of computers.
At the moment i am doing this by hand.
To get it unchecked so nvda doesn't speak at the login screen so people
don't get confused.
But ist ok if i have to do it by hand as well.


Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Simon Eigeldinger
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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Brian's Mail list account [mailto:bglists@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 14. April 2016 17:05
An: nvda@groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Where does NVDA save its setting about running in login
screens?

Are you looking for the location itself or how to make it save it. I'd
imagine as its a system setting on the current user, it is in that users
settings which are not always available for the user to fiddle with
depending on if they are an admin or not.
There is a button in the general settings and this will warn you if it
thinks there is a possible issue, such as uncertified add ons etc.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Eigeldinger Simon" <simon.eigeldinger@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 10:15 AM
Subject: [nvda] Where does NVDA save its setting about running in login
screens?


Hi all,

Where does NVDA save its setting about using NVDA in secure destkops and
windows login screen?

Thanks and greetings,
simon


Re: TWBlue stopped working, please help?

Lisa P Geibel
 

Hi We had this issue once and was able to fix it by deleting the extra characters, but that's not the problem this time. Everything looks right. It just won't load so unfortunately, as much as we loved TWBlue, if we want Twitter, we're going to be forced to use Chicken Nugget. We did purchase and install that, but have some questions if anyone would be willing to help here or off list as not to clutter things? Please and thanks.

Lisa
E-Mail: lisapgeibel429@...
Facebook: http://facebook.com/ldporter1
Twitter: http://twitter.com/LisaLisa429
Philmore box shared with hubby:
773-572-7897
God bless everyone!!!

On 4/18/16 5:20 AM, Lenron wrote:
I had this same issue sort of not sure what's going on. I refuse to
use any other twitter client I really like tw blue.

On 4/18/16, Rémy Ruiz <remyruiz@...> wrote:
Hi,
Go to the TWBlue shortcut that is on the desktop, and do properties;
with Alt+Enter
Example:
"C:\Program Files\twblue\TWBlue.exe" -i
I have deleted:
-i
now is:
"C:\Program Files\twblue\TWBlue.exe"
Apply and OK or only OK
Note:
Ignore the warning of Windows and click continue and ready!
Now if you can click the shortcut TWBlue.
Well this so what I did with an installable version.
Cheers.
Rémy
Le 18/04/2016 05:23, Lisa P Geibel a écrit :
Hi,
I know I've heard about people with this program and it not working. I
even went through the time when extra characters were added to the
twblue.exe file, but this is not the case now. We've uninstalled and
reinstalled the latest version, but still nothing. Restarted the
computer and still nothing. Tried hitting enter on the desktop icon
for the program, tried running it as administrator with the context
key, tried loading it from the twblue.exe icon in the program files
folder and still nothing. Does anyone have any ideas or should we
really say a final farewell to this great program? We're running
Windows 10 with the latest build of NVDA and also have the latest
version of JAWS, but it won't work that way either. Any ideas or help
would be greatly appreciated? Thanks.


locked Re: This is the moderator speaking: Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory

afrim maja <afrim.maja@...>
 

Hello Joseph,
Since I was one of the most active participants in the thread being moderated, I would like to apologise for bringing up an unwanted topic. I am extremely sorry for the inconvenience caused by my posts to the list and the moderators.
Yours sincerely,
Afrim

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 18, 2016, at 12:17 PM, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:

Ladies and gentlemen,

Until a few months ago, discussion of Eloquence wasn't allowed on this list. This was relaxed last summer when Code Factory released Eloquence add-on. Back then, Nimer and I (Nimer being the actual list owner) said discussion of illegal version isn't still permitted.
At this point, it would be advisable to suspend Eloquence discussions for a while. We cannot risk giving NVDA a slightly muddy reputation at this important occasion: NVDA's tenth anniversary and NVDACon. Please don't forget this: the reputation of a product, particularly a product that many of you depends on, depends on what users say about the product and the discussions surrounding it.
For those new to this list: I'm known for being generous. However, I'm also known for being a volcano, especially if the integrity of the list or the reputation of a product or a community is questioned. I'll not activate moderation flag for anyone out of respect for everyone and for newbies to get accustomed to this environment.
For our old friends: Yes, I am indeed serious, more serious now that we're about to help NV Access celebrate NVDA's tenth birthday. Not only I'm speaking on behalf of moderators, but as one of the planners of NVDACon 2016 (I am indeed the chair of the planning committee), I'd like to kindly request that we care about reputation of NVDA, NV Access and this community. These days, what gives me more stress isn't the question of who will succeed me or success of NVDACon, but the reputation and future of this community for months and years to come. What gives me more joy is to see you all become folks who can think about what's going on and make informed decisions (yes, that's the reason why I've proposed certain proposals in the past).
In conclusion, I do know I will not be able to sleep tonight, but believe I need to say this: NVDA community, specifically this forum, is facing a crisis: misinformation abounds and passion trumps reason at times. We're suffering from a disease called "misinformation" - what is illegal being seen as legal, people not being informed as to what's available to them when they need it, name calling at times and so forth (as I mentioned in my blog, I will not accept name calling). Being passionate about something is good, but it is better to think about what's going on before defending one's arguments. In other words, contrary to what we've said about this forum to the outside world, we're at times known for doing the opposite.
Lastly, in regards to free material: there is no such thing as free lunch. I do need to say this in public: NVDA isn't technically free. For the benefit of many, NVDA is made available as a free, open-source and community-driven screen reader. But there are costs associated with this project. Please stop now and imagine for a second: imagine a group of developers who have decided to promote equal access to technology at no additional costs, using their talents to give opportunities for someone who lives in poverty somewhere. NVDA is more than a screen reader now: it's a movement, and workers deserve their wages - support, encouragement, opportunities and so on.
Thank you.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Afrim [mailto:afrim.maja@...]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 2:43 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory

Why do people talk about it? They can, and I don't consider it against the rules of the list since the add-on, the alternative if you like to call it is available and accessible from within the add-on list of NVDA.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 17, 2016, at 9:33 PM, mk360 <mk.seventhson@...> wrote:

Hi,

I can pay, but the first condition is that the paid versions works as fine or better that the alternative, and as reviews as been said, that is not the case.
However, I know that in the list we can't speak about that alternative, so I don't understand why the people speak about it.

Regards,
mk.

El 17-04-2016 a las 8:04, Greg Wocher escribió:
Hello,
I want to give those of you who use the illegal eloquence add on some food for thought. When you do it and proudly proclaim that you do, you give NVDA and its users a bad reputation. I think I may purchase the Code Factory add on later this afternoon from AT Guys and I will let you all know if it gets rid of the choppiness.

Regards,
Greg Wocher

On 4/17/2016 5:32 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:
My sentiments exactly.

-----Original Message----- From: Afrim
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 6:40 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code
Factory

I have been using the old add-on of eloquonce someone made, and I am not going to pay for a program that does essentially the same thing. The add-on I am talking about works so fast and reliably.
cheers.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 17, 2016, at 6:22 AM, Kelly Sapergia <ksapergia@...> wrote:

Hi,

Recently, there was a discussion about alternative voices for NVDA, such as Code Factory's add-on with Eloquence and Vocalizer. I mentioned that when I tried this particular product, I noticed that Eloquence sounded quite choppy compared to other screen readers and other synths I have for NVDA on my machine running Windows 7.
I also never experienced this with Code Factory's SAPI 5 implementation.
Anyway, I got thinking about it this evening, and decided to do some searching to see if anyone else was experiencing similar issues. I found a thread about the add-on in the old NVDA list's archive, and saw a message stating that the choppiness would go away once the product was paid for. I was just wondering if this is indeed the case? If yes, it's not what I'd consider the best way to limit a trial version, but I might buy it after all.

Thanks.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelly John Sapergia
Show Host and Production Director
The Global Voice Internet Radio
http://www.theglobalvoice.info

Personal Website: http://www.ksapergia.net Business Website (KJS
Productions): http://www.kjsproductions.com Follow me on Twitter
at: kjsapergia





locked Re: This is the moderator speaking: Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory

 

Well if people don't want the legal version of eloquence.
emailing enablerehab@... and asking for their dectalk synth may be the better option.
They don't exactly sell it anymore because there is no interest however they will sell it to you for basically what its worth.
Their licence with fonix means you need to pay but there is no fixed price so pay what you want.
I put in 20 bucks for the thing but you could pay anything from 1-2 dollars up.
For those not liking eloquence this may be the better solution.
My only complaint is that some of the voices are a bit quiet volume wise.
However for about a couple mb you get every dectalk voice and language, sadly no singing but even so.

On 18/04/2016 10:33 p.m., Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi Chris,
1. CF version is legal.
2. Sometimes we do see illegal Eloquence pop up, and this version is the one we don't allow (legal versions are allowed).
Hope this helps (and please have a long rest).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher-Mark Gilland [mailto:@AHeart4God316]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 3:25 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: This is the moderator speaking: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory

This is the only Eloquence related post I'm going to send to this list, but it has 100% everything to do with what Joseph has just said. I'm neither promoting nor asking about how to get this working with Eloquence, so know that up front.

So, my question is, first, Joseph, you say that Code Factory released an addon. I guess my question is, is that addon considered to be illegal?
Second off, I'm a little bit confused. Are you saying that Eloquence is allowed, or are you saying it isn't allowed at this time on list. Further, if not allowed, please then be more specific. Are you saying it's not allowed period, or are you saying it's allowed, but only if talking about the CF version.

Sorry, your message was just a little bit vague. I've had an extremely emotionally rough night, I won't go into it more than to say, I've been crying my eyes out all night, so therefore as you can imagine, I'm incredibly tired, so perhaps my mind is a bit oblivious right now to the meaning of your message. If so, please forgive me.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

@AHeart4God316
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <@joslee>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: This is the moderator speaking: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory


Ladies and gentlemen,

Until a few months ago, discussion of Eloquence wasn't allowed on this list.
This was relaxed last summer when Code Factory released Eloquence add-on.
Back then, Nimer and I (Nimer being the actual list owner) said discussion of illegal version isn't still permitted.
At this point, it would be advisable to suspend Eloquence discussions for a while. We cannot risk giving NVDA a slightly muddy reputation at this important occasion: NVDA's tenth anniversary and NVDACon. Please don't forget this: the reputation of a product, particularly a product that many of you depends on, depends on what users say about the product and the discussions surrounding it.
For those new to this list: I'm known for being generous. However, I'm also known for being a volcano, especially if the integrity of the list or the reputation of a product or a community is questioned. I'll not activate moderation flag for anyone out of respect for everyone and for newbies to get accustomed to this environment.
For our old friends: Yes, I am indeed serious, more serious now that we're about to help NV Access celebrate NVDA's tenth birthday. Not only I'm speaking on behalf of moderators, but as one of the planners of NVDACon 2016 (I am indeed the chair of the planning committee), I'd like to kindly request that we care about reputation of NVDA, NV Access and this community.
These days, what gives me more stress isn't the question of who will succeed me or success of NVDACon, but the reputation and future of this community for months and years to come. What gives me more joy is to see you all become folks who can think about what's going on and make informed decisions (yes, that's the reason why I've proposed certain proposals in the past).
In conclusion, I do know I will not be able to sleep tonight, but believe I need to say this: NVDA community, specifically this forum, is facing a
crisis: misinformation abounds and passion trumps reason at times. We're suffering from a disease called "misinformation" - what is illegal being seen as legal, people not being informed as to what's available to them when they need it, name calling at times and so forth (as I mentioned in my blog, I will not accept name calling). Being passionate about something is good, but it is better to think about what's going on before defending one's arguments. In other words, contrary to what we've said about this forum to the outside world, we're at times known for doing the opposite.
Lastly, in regards to free material: there is no such thing as free lunch. I do need to say this in public: NVDA isn't technically free. For the benefit of many, NVDA is made available as a free, open-source and community-driven screen reader. But there are costs associated with this project. Please stop now and imagine for a second: imagine a group of developers who have decided to promote equal access to technology at no additional costs, using their talents to give opportunities for someone who lives in poverty somewhere.
NVDA is more than a screen reader now: it's a movement, and workers deserve their wages - support, encouragement, opportunities and so on.
Thank you.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Afrim [mailto:afrim.maja@...]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 2:43 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory

Why do people talk about it? They can, and I don't consider it against the rules of the list since the add-on, the alternative if you like to call it is available and accessible from within the add-on list of NVDA.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 17, 2016, at 9:33 PM, mk360 <mk.seventhson@...> wrote:

Hi,

I can pay, but the first condition is that the paid versions works as
fine or better that the alternative, and as reviews as been said, that
is not the case.
However, I know that in the list we can't speak about that
alternative, so I don't understand why the people speak about it.

Regards,
mk.

El 17-04-2016 a las 8:04, Greg Wocher escribió:
Hello,
I want to give those of you who use the illegal eloquence add on some
food for thought. When you do it and proudly proclaim that you do,
you give NVDA and its users a bad reputation. I think I may purchase
the Code Factory add on later this afternoon from AT Guys and I will
let you all know if it gets rid of the choppiness.

Regards,
Greg Wocher

On 4/17/2016 5:32 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:
My sentiments exactly.

-----Original Message----- From: Afrim
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 6:40 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code
Factory

I have been using the old add-on of eloquonce someone made, and I am
not going to pay for a program that does essentially the same
thing. The add-on I am talking about works so fast and reliably.
cheers.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 17, 2016, at 6:22 AM, Kelly Sapergia <ksapergia@...>
wrote:

Hi,

Recently, there was a discussion about alternative voices for NVDA,
such as Code Factory's add-on with Eloquence and Vocalizer. I
mentioned that when I tried this particular product, I noticed that
Eloquence sounded quite choppy compared to other screen readers and
other synths I have for NVDA on my machine running Windows 7.
I also never experienced this with Code Factory's SAPI 5
implementation.
Anyway, I got thinking about it this evening, and decided to do
some searching to see if anyone else was experiencing similar
issues. I found a thread about the add-on in the old NVDA list's
archive, and saw a message stating that the choppiness would go
away once the product was paid for. I was just wondering if this is
indeed the case? If yes, it's not what I'd consider the best way to
limit a trial version, but I might buy it after all.

Thanks.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelly John Sapergia
Show Host and Production Director
The Global Voice Internet Radio
http://www.theglobalvoice.info

Personal Website: http://www.ksapergia.net Business Website (KJS
Productions): http://www.kjsproductions.com Follow me on Twitter
at: kjsapergia













.


Re: Code Factory Eloquence and Vocalizer add on

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

You say crackling sound.

Do you have a way you could some how record it, and let me hear? I'd like to hear it before making a purchase.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

@AHeart4God316
Phone: (704) 256-8010.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Wocher" <gwocher@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 6:49 AM
Subject: [nvda] Code Factory Eloquence and Vocalizer add on


Hello all,
I did purchase this add on today. Even once it is activated the crackling and popping is still evident when using eloquence. I did notice that they have
a few different voices for the vocalizer synth. I downloaded Oliver, a UK voice, and it is not bad. I also downloaded a new female US english voice called
Susan and she is not bad either.

Regards,
Greg Wocher


Code Factory Eloquence and Vocalizer add on

Greg Wocher
 

Hello all,
I did purchase this add on today. Even once it is activated the crackling and popping is still evident when using eloquence. I did notice that they have
a few different voices for the vocalizer synth. I downloaded Oliver, a UK voice, and it is not bad. I also downloaded a new female US english voice called
Susan and she is not bad either.

Regards,
Greg Wocher


locked Re: This is the moderator speaking: Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Thanks for the clarification.

I'm gonna try to get some sleep, yeah, hopefully, I'll be successful, as like I said, last night was really rough.

Anyway, take care.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

@AHeart4God316
Phone: (704) 256-8010.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <@joslee>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: This is the moderator speaking: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory


Hi Chris,
1. CF version is legal.
2. Sometimes we do see illegal Eloquence pop up, and this version is the one we don't allow (legal versions are allowed).
Hope this helps (and please have a long rest).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher-Mark Gilland [mailto:@AHeart4God316]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 3:25 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: This is the moderator speaking: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory

This is the only Eloquence related post I'm going to send to this list, but it has 100% everything to do with what Joseph has just said. I'm neither promoting nor asking about how to get this working with Eloquence, so know that up front.

So, my question is, first, Joseph, you say that Code Factory released an addon. I guess my question is, is that addon considered to be illegal?
Second off, I'm a little bit confused. Are you saying that Eloquence is allowed, or are you saying it isn't allowed at this time on list. Further, if not allowed, please then be more specific. Are you saying it's not allowed period, or are you saying it's allowed, but only if talking about the CF version.

Sorry, your message was just a little bit vague. I've had an extremely emotionally rough night, I won't go into it more than to say, I've been crying my eyes out all night, so therefore as you can imagine, I'm incredibly tired, so perhaps my mind is a bit oblivious right now to the meaning of your message. If so, please forgive me.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

@AHeart4God316
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <@joslee>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: This is the moderator speaking: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory


Ladies and gentlemen,

Until a few months ago, discussion of Eloquence wasn't allowed on this list.
This was relaxed last summer when Code Factory released Eloquence add-on.
Back then, Nimer and I (Nimer being the actual list owner) said discussion of illegal version isn't still permitted.
At this point, it would be advisable to suspend Eloquence discussions for a while. We cannot risk giving NVDA a slightly muddy reputation at this important occasion: NVDA's tenth anniversary and NVDACon. Please don't forget this: the reputation of a product, particularly a product that many of you depends on, depends on what users say about the product and the discussions surrounding it.
For those new to this list: I'm known for being generous. However, I'm also known for being a volcano, especially if the integrity of the list or the reputation of a product or a community is questioned. I'll not activate moderation flag for anyone out of respect for everyone and for newbies to get accustomed to this environment.
For our old friends: Yes, I am indeed serious, more serious now that we're about to help NV Access celebrate NVDA's tenth birthday. Not only I'm speaking on behalf of moderators, but as one of the planners of NVDACon 2016 (I am indeed the chair of the planning committee), I'd like to kindly request that we care about reputation of NVDA, NV Access and this community.
These days, what gives me more stress isn't the question of who will succeed me or success of NVDACon, but the reputation and future of this community for months and years to come. What gives me more joy is to see you all become folks who can think about what's going on and make informed decisions (yes, that's the reason why I've proposed certain proposals in the past).
In conclusion, I do know I will not be able to sleep tonight, but believe I need to say this: NVDA community, specifically this forum, is facing a
crisis: misinformation abounds and passion trumps reason at times. We're suffering from a disease called "misinformation" - what is illegal being seen as legal, people not being informed as to what's available to them when they need it, name calling at times and so forth (as I mentioned in my blog, I will not accept name calling). Being passionate about something is good, but it is better to think about what's going on before defending one's arguments. In other words, contrary to what we've said about this forum to the outside world, we're at times known for doing the opposite.
Lastly, in regards to free material: there is no such thing as free lunch. I do need to say this in public: NVDA isn't technically free. For the benefit of many, NVDA is made available as a free, open-source and community-driven screen reader. But there are costs associated with this project. Please stop now and imagine for a second: imagine a group of developers who have decided to promote equal access to technology at no additional costs, using their talents to give opportunities for someone who lives in poverty somewhere.
NVDA is more than a screen reader now: it's a movement, and workers deserve their wages - support, encouragement, opportunities and so on.
Thank you.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Afrim [mailto:afrim.maja@...]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 2:43 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory

Why do people talk about it? They can, and I don't consider it against the rules of the list since the add-on, the alternative if you like to call it is available and accessible from within the add-on list of NVDA.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 17, 2016, at 9:33 PM, mk360 <mk.seventhson@...> wrote:

Hi,

I can pay, but the first condition is that the paid versions works as
fine or better that the alternative, and as reviews as been said, that
is not the case.
However, I know that in the list we can't speak about that
alternative, so I don't understand why the people speak about it.

Regards,
mk.

El 17-04-2016 a las 8:04, Greg Wocher escribió:
Hello,
I want to give those of you who use the illegal eloquence add on some
food for thought. When you do it and proudly proclaim that you do,
you give NVDA and its users a bad reputation. I think I may purchase
the Code Factory add on later this afternoon from AT Guys and I will
let you all know if it gets rid of the choppiness.

Regards,
Greg Wocher

On 4/17/2016 5:32 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:
My sentiments exactly.

-----Original Message----- From: Afrim
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 6:40 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code
Factory

I have been using the old add-on of eloquonce someone made, and I am
not going to pay for a program that does essentially the same
thing. The add-on I am talking about works so fast and reliably.
cheers.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 17, 2016, at 6:22 AM, Kelly Sapergia <ksapergia@...>
wrote:

Hi,

Recently, there was a discussion about alternative voices for NVDA,
such as Code Factory's add-on with Eloquence and Vocalizer. I
mentioned that when I tried this particular product, I noticed that
Eloquence sounded quite choppy compared to other screen readers and
other synths I have for NVDA on my machine running Windows 7.
I also never experienced this with Code Factory's SAPI 5
implementation.
Anyway, I got thinking about it this evening, and decided to do
some searching to see if anyone else was experiencing similar
issues. I found a thread about the add-on in the old NVDA list's
archive, and saw a message stating that the choppiness would go
away once the product was paid for. I was just wondering if this is
indeed the case? If yes, it's not what I'd consider the best way to
limit a trial version, but I might buy it after all.

Thanks.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelly John Sapergia
Show Host and Production Director
The Global Voice Internet Radio
http://www.theglobalvoice.info

Personal Website: http://www.ksapergia.net Business Website (KJS
Productions): http://www.kjsproductions.com Follow me on Twitter
at: kjsapergia



locked Re: This is the moderator speaking: Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

Yes indeed. Whis was why I tried to choose my words very carefully on the reply to the thread, but I think it went over the heads of many.

I always donate when a new stable version comes out, and if anyone wants to say, the project needs x to do then I also donate according to what I think I can afford.

The thing about Eloquence is, at least from my very limited experience with other people this.
Most older users who migrated from Jaws, seem to like eloquence, most new users of computers prefer something that sounds more human, or of course they can now mix and match as they like. What you should not do is install hacked versions of anything, as it does take away money form somebody who is trying to make a living. If its too much then just don't get it. we are spoiled for choice with voices these days, and its up to the individual to decide if they need a non free one to aid their comprehension.

Though I do still have an old version of Via Voice here on some computers, I just don't like the eloquence type of sound, so I hardly ever use it, and have not bought a copy. However, some of the other voices like Daniel and Serena I have purchased over the years and find them very got for reading documents, with the one proviso of them using expanded US abbreviations like St for saint and NY for new York, which are rather silly when encountered in normal text!

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <@joslee>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: This is the moderator speaking: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory


Ladies and gentlemen,

Until a few months ago, discussion of Eloquence wasn't allowed on this list. This was relaxed last summer when Code Factory released Eloquence add-on. Back then, Nimer and I (Nimer being the actual list owner) said discussion of illegal version isn't still permitted.
At this point, it would be advisable to suspend Eloquence discussions for a while. We cannot risk giving NVDA a slightly muddy reputation at this important occasion: NVDA's tenth anniversary and NVDACon. Please don't forget this: the reputation of a product, particularly a product that many of you depends on, depends on what users say about the product and the discussions surrounding it.
For those new to this list: I'm known for being generous. However, I'm also known for being a volcano, especially if the integrity of the list or the reputation of a product or a community is questioned. I'll not activate moderation flag for anyone out of respect for everyone and for newbies to get accustomed to this environment.
For our old friends: Yes, I am indeed serious, more serious now that we're about to help NV Access celebrate NVDA's tenth birthday. Not only I'm speaking on behalf of moderators, but as one of the planners of NVDACon 2016 (I am indeed the chair of the planning committee), I'd like to kindly request that we care about reputation of NVDA, NV Access and this community. These days, what gives me more stress isn't the question of who will succeed me or success of NVDACon, but the reputation and future of this community for months and years to come. What gives me more joy is to see you all become folks who can think about what's going on and make informed decisions (yes, that's the reason why I've proposed certain proposals in the past).
In conclusion, I do know I will not be able to sleep tonight, but believe I need to say this: NVDA community, specifically this forum, is facing a crisis: misinformation abounds and passion trumps reason at times. We're suffering from a disease called "misinformation" - what is illegal being seen as legal, people not being informed as to what's available to them when they need it, name calling at times and so forth (as I mentioned in my blog, I will not accept name calling). Being passionate about something is good, but it is better to think about what's going on before defending one's arguments. In other words, contrary to what we've said about this forum to the outside world, we're at times known for doing the opposite.
Lastly, in regards to free material: there is no such thing as free lunch. I do need to say this in public: NVDA isn't technically free. For the benefit of many, NVDA is made available as a free, open-source and community-driven screen reader. But there are costs associated with this project. Please stop now and imagine for a second: imagine a group of developers who have decided to promote equal access to technology at no additional costs, using their talents to give opportunities for someone who lives in poverty somewhere. NVDA is more than a screen reader now: it's a movement, and workers deserve their wages - support, encouragement, opportunities and so on.
Thank you.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Afrim [mailto:afrim.maja@...]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 2:43 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory

Why do people talk about it? They can, and I don't consider it against the rules of the list since the add-on, the alternative if you like to call it is available and accessible from within the add-on list of NVDA.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 17, 2016, at 9:33 PM, mk360 <mk.seventhson@...> wrote:

Hi,

I can pay, but the first condition is that the paid versions works as fine or better that the alternative, and as reviews as been said, that is not the case.
However, I know that in the list we can't speak about that alternative, so I don't understand why the people speak about it.

Regards,
mk.

El 17-04-2016 a las 8:04, Greg Wocher escribió:
Hello,
I want to give those of you who use the illegal eloquence add on some food for thought. When you do it and proudly proclaim that you do, you give NVDA and its users a bad reputation. I think I may purchase the Code Factory add on later this afternoon from AT Guys and I will let you all know if it gets rid of the choppiness.

Regards,
Greg Wocher

On 4/17/2016 5:32 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:
My sentiments exactly.

-----Original Message----- From: Afrim
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 6:40 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code
Factory

I have been using the old add-on of eloquonce someone made, and I am not going to pay for a program that does essentially the same thing. The add-on I am talking about works so fast and reliably.
cheers.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 17, 2016, at 6:22 AM, Kelly Sapergia <ksapergia@...> wrote:

Hi,

Recently, there was a discussion about alternative voices for NVDA, such as Code Factory's add-on with Eloquence and Vocalizer. I mentioned that when I tried this particular product, I noticed that Eloquence sounded quite choppy compared to other screen readers and other synths I have for NVDA on my machine running Windows 7.
I also never experienced this with Code Factory's SAPI 5 implementation.
Anyway, I got thinking about it this evening, and decided to do some searching to see if anyone else was experiencing similar issues. I found a thread about the add-on in the old NVDA list's archive, and saw a message stating that the choppiness would go away once the product was paid for. I was just wondering if this is indeed the case? If yes, it's not what I'd consider the best way to limit a trial version, but I might buy it after all.

Thanks.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelly John Sapergia
Show Host and Production Director
The Global Voice Internet Radio
http://www.theglobalvoice.info

Personal Website: http://www.ksapergia.net Business Website (KJS
Productions): http://www.kjsproductions.com Follow me on Twitter
at: kjsapergia



Re: TWBlue stopped working, please help?

Kevin Cussick
 

No, just make a fresh short cut to the exe file and it should run. I have had this as well on windows10 and this for some reason seems to fix it.

On 18/04/2016 04:34, Arlene wrote:
Hi there: If that was me. I'd just uninstall that program. It's up to you what you want to do with it. Someone else on the list can better tell you. I'm saying if that's me I'd get rid of the program.

-----Original Message-----
From: Lisa P Geibel [mailto:lisapgeibel429@...]
Sent: April-17-16 8:23 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] TWBlue stopped working, please help?

Hi,
I know I've heard about people with this program and it not working. I
even went through the time when extra characters were added to the
twblue.exe file, but this is not the case now. We've uninstalled and
reinstalled the latest version, but still nothing. Restarted the
computer and still nothing. Tried hitting enter on the desktop icon for
the program, tried running it as administrator with the context key,
tried loading it from the twblue.exe icon in the program files folder
and still nothing. Does anyone have any ideas or should we really say a
final farewell to this great program? We're running Windows 10 with the
latest build of NVDA and also have the latest version of JAWS, but it
won't work that way either. Any ideas or help would be greatly
appreciated? Thanks.


locked Re: This is the moderator speaking: Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory

 

Hi Chris,
1. CF version is legal.
2. Sometimes we do see illegal Eloquence pop up, and this version is the one we don't allow (legal versions are allowed).
Hope this helps (and please have a long rest).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher-Mark Gilland [mailto:@AHeart4God316]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 3:25 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: This is the moderator speaking: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory

This is the only Eloquence related post I'm going to send to this list, but it has 100% everything to do with what Joseph has just said. I'm neither promoting nor asking about how to get this working with Eloquence, so know that up front.

So, my question is, first, Joseph, you say that Code Factory released an addon. I guess my question is, is that addon considered to be illegal?
Second off, I'm a little bit confused. Are you saying that Eloquence is allowed, or are you saying it isn't allowed at this time on list. Further, if not allowed, please then be more specific. Are you saying it's not allowed period, or are you saying it's allowed, but only if talking about the CF version.

Sorry, your message was just a little bit vague. I've had an extremely emotionally rough night, I won't go into it more than to say, I've been crying my eyes out all night, so therefore as you can imagine, I'm incredibly tired, so perhaps my mind is a bit oblivious right now to the meaning of your message. If so, please forgive me.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

@AHeart4God316
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <@joslee>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: This is the moderator speaking: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory


Ladies and gentlemen,

Until a few months ago, discussion of Eloquence wasn't allowed on this list.
This was relaxed last summer when Code Factory released Eloquence add-on.
Back then, Nimer and I (Nimer being the actual list owner) said discussion of illegal version isn't still permitted.
At this point, it would be advisable to suspend Eloquence discussions for a while. We cannot risk giving NVDA a slightly muddy reputation at this important occasion: NVDA's tenth anniversary and NVDACon. Please don't forget this: the reputation of a product, particularly a product that many of you depends on, depends on what users say about the product and the discussions surrounding it.
For those new to this list: I'm known for being generous. However, I'm also known for being a volcano, especially if the integrity of the list or the reputation of a product or a community is questioned. I'll not activate moderation flag for anyone out of respect for everyone and for newbies to get accustomed to this environment.
For our old friends: Yes, I am indeed serious, more serious now that we're about to help NV Access celebrate NVDA's tenth birthday. Not only I'm speaking on behalf of moderators, but as one of the planners of NVDACon 2016 (I am indeed the chair of the planning committee), I'd like to kindly request that we care about reputation of NVDA, NV Access and this community.
These days, what gives me more stress isn't the question of who will succeed me or success of NVDACon, but the reputation and future of this community for months and years to come. What gives me more joy is to see you all become folks who can think about what's going on and make informed decisions (yes, that's the reason why I've proposed certain proposals in the past).
In conclusion, I do know I will not be able to sleep tonight, but believe I need to say this: NVDA community, specifically this forum, is facing a
crisis: misinformation abounds and passion trumps reason at times. We're suffering from a disease called "misinformation" - what is illegal being seen as legal, people not being informed as to what's available to them when they need it, name calling at times and so forth (as I mentioned in my blog, I will not accept name calling). Being passionate about something is good, but it is better to think about what's going on before defending one's arguments. In other words, contrary to what we've said about this forum to the outside world, we're at times known for doing the opposite.
Lastly, in regards to free material: there is no such thing as free lunch. I do need to say this in public: NVDA isn't technically free. For the benefit of many, NVDA is made available as a free, open-source and community-driven screen reader. But there are costs associated with this project. Please stop now and imagine for a second: imagine a group of developers who have decided to promote equal access to technology at no additional costs, using their talents to give opportunities for someone who lives in poverty somewhere.
NVDA is more than a screen reader now: it's a movement, and workers deserve their wages - support, encouragement, opportunities and so on.
Thank you.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Afrim [mailto:afrim.maja@...]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 2:43 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory

Why do people talk about it? They can, and I don't consider it against the rules of the list since the add-on, the alternative if you like to call it is available and accessible from within the add-on list of NVDA.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 17, 2016, at 9:33 PM, mk360 <mk.seventhson@...> wrote:

Hi,

I can pay, but the first condition is that the paid versions works as
fine or better that the alternative, and as reviews as been said, that
is not the case.
However, I know that in the list we can't speak about that
alternative, so I don't understand why the people speak about it.

Regards,
mk.

El 17-04-2016 a las 8:04, Greg Wocher escribió:
Hello,
I want to give those of you who use the illegal eloquence add on some
food for thought. When you do it and proudly proclaim that you do,
you give NVDA and its users a bad reputation. I think I may purchase
the Code Factory add on later this afternoon from AT Guys and I will
let you all know if it gets rid of the choppiness.

Regards,
Greg Wocher

On 4/17/2016 5:32 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:
My sentiments exactly.

-----Original Message----- From: Afrim
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 6:40 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code
Factory

I have been using the old add-on of eloquonce someone made, and I am
not going to pay for a program that does essentially the same
thing. The add-on I am talking about works so fast and reliably.
cheers.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 17, 2016, at 6:22 AM, Kelly Sapergia <ksapergia@...>
wrote:

Hi,

Recently, there was a discussion about alternative voices for NVDA,
such as Code Factory's add-on with Eloquence and Vocalizer. I
mentioned that when I tried this particular product, I noticed that
Eloquence sounded quite choppy compared to other screen readers and
other synths I have for NVDA on my machine running Windows 7.
I also never experienced this with Code Factory's SAPI 5
implementation.
Anyway, I got thinking about it this evening, and decided to do
some searching to see if anyone else was experiencing similar
issues. I found a thread about the add-on in the old NVDA list's
archive, and saw a message stating that the choppiness would go
away once the product was paid for. I was just wondering if this is
indeed the case? If yes, it's not what I'd consider the best way to
limit a trial version, but I might buy it after all.

Thanks.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelly John Sapergia
Show Host and Production Director
The Global Voice Internet Radio
http://www.theglobalvoice.info

Personal Website: http://www.ksapergia.net Business Website (KJS
Productions): http://www.kjsproductions.com Follow me on Twitter
at: kjsapergia



Re: NVDA reads Unknown with Windows 10 issue

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

Is this not an update to a office version you no longer have? Its not just windows 10, as Microsoft seem to have made patches to fix this issue for all sorts of versions of Office when either updated to a later one or downdated to a previous one.
I think it deregisters a vital file needed for access software support for some reason as yet unknown.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA reads Unknown with Windows 10 issue


hello.
did you try libreoffice?
i use only libreoffice and i believe that no need to continue using
microsoft office with this great and accessible open source office
program.

On 4/16/16, Mohit Singla <bookscoffeeme@...> wrote:
Hi All,

I used system restore to go back to a pre office 2013 installation setting
and NVDA started reading again. Basically it had stopped reading all buttons
and would announce unknown and for links and context menus it stopped
reading all together.

In case any of you have faced this problem or know aanything about it please
let me know.

Regards
Mohit

On 16-Apr-2016, at 11:24 AM, Mohit Singla <bookscoffeeme@...>
wrote:

Hi All,

I am using NVDA 2016.1 with Windows 10 and it was working perfectly till
last Wednesday.

On Wednesday I installed MS Office 2013 Professional+, since then NVDA has
encountered the following issues and basically become unusable:
1. It has stopped reading the taskbar items and just announces Unknown
2. It has stopped reading the context menu on the Start button
3. It has stopped reading every thing in Skype ie contacts, recents, chats
and everything except for announcing Skype when I alt + tab to it
4 In outlook if I hit the application key it reads the context menu
quickly but if I arrow down to any item it does not read it

I am not sure why this is happenning and if it is due to the office
installation or a windows update.

I will really appreciate any help. Thanks a lot in advance.

Regards
Mohit






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locked Re: This is the moderator speaking: Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

This is the only Eloquence related post I'm going to send to this list, but it has 100% everything to do with what Joseph has just said. I'm neither promoting nor asking about how to get this working with Eloquence, so know that up front.

So, my question is, first, Joseph, you say that Code Factory released an addon. I guess my question is, is that addon considered to be illegal? Second off, I'm a little bit confused. Are you saying that Eloquence is allowed, or are you saying it isn't allowed at this time on list. Further, if not allowed, please then be more specific. Are you saying it's not allowed period, or are you saying it's allowed, but only if talking about the CF version.

Sorry, your message was just a little bit vague. I've had an extremely emotionally rough night, I won't go into it more than to say, I've been crying my eyes out all night, so therefore as you can imagine, I'm incredibly tired, so perhaps my mind is a bit oblivious right now to the meaning of your message. If so, please forgive me.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

@AHeart4God316
Phone: (704) 256-8010.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <@joslee>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: This is the moderator speaking: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory


Ladies and gentlemen,

Until a few months ago, discussion of Eloquence wasn't allowed on this list. This was relaxed last summer when Code Factory released Eloquence add-on. Back then, Nimer and I (Nimer being the actual list owner) said discussion of illegal version isn't still permitted.
At this point, it would be advisable to suspend Eloquence discussions for a while. We cannot risk giving NVDA a slightly muddy reputation at this important occasion: NVDA's tenth anniversary and NVDACon. Please don't forget this: the reputation of a product, particularly a product that many of you depends on, depends on what users say about the product and the discussions surrounding it.
For those new to this list: I'm known for being generous. However, I'm also known for being a volcano, especially if the integrity of the list or the reputation of a product or a community is questioned. I'll not activate moderation flag for anyone out of respect for everyone and for newbies to get accustomed to this environment.
For our old friends: Yes, I am indeed serious, more serious now that we're about to help NV Access celebrate NVDA's tenth birthday. Not only I'm speaking on behalf of moderators, but as one of the planners of NVDACon 2016 (I am indeed the chair of the planning committee), I'd like to kindly request that we care about reputation of NVDA, NV Access and this community. These days, what gives me more stress isn't the question of who will succeed me or success of NVDACon, but the reputation and future of this community for months and years to come. What gives me more joy is to see you all become folks who can think about what's going on and make informed decisions (yes, that's the reason why I've proposed certain proposals in the past).
In conclusion, I do know I will not be able to sleep tonight, but believe I need to say this: NVDA community, specifically this forum, is facing a crisis: misinformation abounds and passion trumps reason at times. We're suffering from a disease called "misinformation" - what is illegal being seen as legal, people not being informed as to what's available to them when they need it, name calling at times and so forth (as I mentioned in my blog, I will not accept name calling). Being passionate about something is good, but it is better to think about what's going on before defending one's arguments. In other words, contrary to what we've said about this forum to the outside world, we're at times known for doing the opposite.
Lastly, in regards to free material: there is no such thing as free lunch. I do need to say this in public: NVDA isn't technically free. For the benefit of many, NVDA is made available as a free, open-source and community-driven screen reader. But there are costs associated with this project. Please stop now and imagine for a second: imagine a group of developers who have decided to promote equal access to technology at no additional costs, using their talents to give opportunities for someone who lives in poverty somewhere. NVDA is more than a screen reader now: it's a movement, and workers deserve their wages - support, encouragement, opportunities and so on.
Thank you.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Afrim [mailto:afrim.maja@...]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 2:43 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory

Why do people talk about it? They can, and I don't consider it against the rules of the list since the add-on, the alternative if you like to call it is available and accessible from within the add-on list of NVDA.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 17, 2016, at 9:33 PM, mk360 <mk.seventhson@...> wrote:

Hi,

I can pay, but the first condition is that the paid versions works as fine or better that the alternative, and as reviews as been said, that is not the case.
However, I know that in the list we can't speak about that alternative, so I don't understand why the people speak about it.

Regards,
mk.

El 17-04-2016 a las 8:04, Greg Wocher escribió:
Hello,
I want to give those of you who use the illegal eloquence add on some food for thought. When you do it and proudly proclaim that you do, you give NVDA and its users a bad reputation. I think I may purchase the Code Factory add on later this afternoon from AT Guys and I will let you all know if it gets rid of the choppiness.

Regards,
Greg Wocher

On 4/17/2016 5:32 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:
My sentiments exactly.

-----Original Message----- From: Afrim
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 6:40 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code
Factory

I have been using the old add-on of eloquonce someone made, and I am not going to pay for a program that does essentially the same thing. The add-on I am talking about works so fast and reliably.
cheers.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 17, 2016, at 6:22 AM, Kelly Sapergia <ksapergia@...> wrote:

Hi,

Recently, there was a discussion about alternative voices for NVDA, such as Code Factory's add-on with Eloquence and Vocalizer. I mentioned that when I tried this particular product, I noticed that Eloquence sounded quite choppy compared to other screen readers and other synths I have for NVDA on my machine running Windows 7.
I also never experienced this with Code Factory's SAPI 5 implementation.
Anyway, I got thinking about it this evening, and decided to do some searching to see if anyone else was experiencing similar issues. I found a thread about the add-on in the old NVDA list's archive, and saw a message stating that the choppiness would go away once the product was paid for. I was just wondering if this is indeed the case? If yes, it's not what I'd consider the best way to limit a trial version, but I might buy it after all.

Thanks.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelly John Sapergia
Show Host and Production Director
The Global Voice Internet Radio
http://www.theglobalvoice.info

Personal Website: http://www.ksapergia.net Business Website (KJS
Productions): http://www.kjsproductions.com Follow me on Twitter
at: kjsapergia



locked Re: This is the moderator speaking: Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory

 

Ladies and gentlemen,

Until a few months ago, discussion of Eloquence wasn't allowed on this list. This was relaxed last summer when Code Factory released Eloquence add-on. Back then, Nimer and I (Nimer being the actual list owner) said discussion of illegal version isn't still permitted.
At this point, it would be advisable to suspend Eloquence discussions for a while. We cannot risk giving NVDA a slightly muddy reputation at this important occasion: NVDA's tenth anniversary and NVDACon. Please don't forget this: the reputation of a product, particularly a product that many of you depends on, depends on what users say about the product and the discussions surrounding it.
For those new to this list: I'm known for being generous. However, I'm also known for being a volcano, especially if the integrity of the list or the reputation of a product or a community is questioned. I'll not activate moderation flag for anyone out of respect for everyone and for newbies to get accustomed to this environment.
For our old friends: Yes, I am indeed serious, more serious now that we're about to help NV Access celebrate NVDA's tenth birthday. Not only I'm speaking on behalf of moderators, but as one of the planners of NVDACon 2016 (I am indeed the chair of the planning committee), I'd like to kindly request that we care about reputation of NVDA, NV Access and this community. These days, what gives me more stress isn't the question of who will succeed me or success of NVDACon, but the reputation and future of this community for months and years to come. What gives me more joy is to see you all become folks who can think about what's going on and make informed decisions (yes, that's the reason why I've proposed certain proposals in the past).
In conclusion, I do know I will not be able to sleep tonight, but believe I need to say this: NVDA community, specifically this forum, is facing a crisis: misinformation abounds and passion trumps reason at times. We're suffering from a disease called "misinformation" - what is illegal being seen as legal, people not being informed as to what's available to them when they need it, name calling at times and so forth (as I mentioned in my blog, I will not accept name calling). Being passionate about something is good, but it is better to think about what's going on before defending one's arguments. In other words, contrary to what we've said about this forum to the outside world, we're at times known for doing the opposite.
Lastly, in regards to free material: there is no such thing as free lunch. I do need to say this in public: NVDA isn't technically free. For the benefit of many, NVDA is made available as a free, open-source and community-driven screen reader. But there are costs associated with this project. Please stop now and imagine for a second: imagine a group of developers who have decided to promote equal access to technology at no additional costs, using their talents to give opportunities for someone who lives in poverty somewhere. NVDA is more than a screen reader now: it's a movement, and workers deserve their wages - support, encouragement, opportunities and so on.
Thank you.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Afrim [mailto:afrim.maja@...]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 2:43 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory

Why do people talk about it? They can, and I don't consider it against the rules of the list since the add-on, the alternative if you like to call it is available and accessible from within the add-on list of NVDA.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 17, 2016, at 9:33 PM, mk360 <mk.seventhson@...> wrote:

Hi,

I can pay, but the first condition is that the paid versions works as fine or better that the alternative, and as reviews as been said, that is not the case.
However, I know that in the list we can't speak about that alternative, so I don't understand why the people speak about it.

Regards,
mk.

El 17-04-2016 a las 8:04, Greg Wocher escribió:
Hello,
I want to give those of you who use the illegal eloquence add on some food for thought. When you do it and proudly proclaim that you do, you give NVDA and its users a bad reputation. I think I may purchase the Code Factory add on later this afternoon from AT Guys and I will let you all know if it gets rid of the choppiness.

Regards,
Greg Wocher

On 4/17/2016 5:32 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:
My sentiments exactly.

-----Original Message----- From: Afrim
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 6:40 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code
Factory

I have been using the old add-on of eloquonce someone made, and I am not going to pay for a program that does essentially the same thing. The add-on I am talking about works so fast and reliably.
cheers.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 17, 2016, at 6:22 AM, Kelly Sapergia <ksapergia@...> wrote:

Hi,

Recently, there was a discussion about alternative voices for NVDA, such as Code Factory's add-on with Eloquence and Vocalizer. I mentioned that when I tried this particular product, I noticed that Eloquence sounded quite choppy compared to other screen readers and other synths I have for NVDA on my machine running Windows 7.
I also never experienced this with Code Factory's SAPI 5 implementation.
Anyway, I got thinking about it this evening, and decided to do some searching to see if anyone else was experiencing similar issues. I found a thread about the add-on in the old NVDA list's archive, and saw a message stating that the choppiness would go away once the product was paid for. I was just wondering if this is indeed the case? If yes, it's not what I'd consider the best way to limit a trial version, but I might buy it after all.

Thanks.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelly John Sapergia
Show Host and Production Director
The Global Voice Internet Radio
http://www.theglobalvoice.info

Personal Website: http://www.ksapergia.net Business Website (KJS
Productions): http://www.kjsproductions.com Follow me on Twitter
at: kjsapergia



Re: Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory

Gene
 

The code Factory add on is allowed to be discussed.  There is an illegal add on which is not allowed to be discussed as illegal software in general isn't. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Afrim
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 4:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory

Why do people talk about it? They can, and I don't consider it against the rules of the list since the add-on, the alternative if you like to call it is available and accessible from within the add-on list of NVDA.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 17, 2016, at 9:33 PM, mk360 <mk.seventhson@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I can pay, but the first condition is that the paid versions works as fine or better that the alternative, and as reviews as been said, that is not the case.
> However, I know that in the list we can't speak about that alternative, so I don't understand why the people speak about it.
>
> Regards,
> mk.
>
>> El 17-04-2016 a las 8:04, Greg Wocher escribió:
>> Hello,
>> I want to give those of you who use the illegal eloquence add on some food for thought. When you do it and proudly proclaim that you do, you give NVDA and its users a bad reputation. I think I may purchase the Code Factory add on later this afternoon from AT Guys and I will let you all know if it gets rid of the choppiness.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Greg Wocher
>>
>>> On 4/17/2016 5:32 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:
>>> My sentiments exactly.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Afrim
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 6:40 AM
>>> To: nvda@groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory
>>>
>>> I have been using the old add-on of eloquonce someone made, and I am not going to pay for a program  that does essentially the same thing. The add-on I am talking about works so fast and reliably.
>>> cheers.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Apr 17, 2016, at 6:22 AM, Kelly Sapergia <ksapergia@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Recently, there was a discussion about alternative voices for NVDA, such as Code Factory's add-on with Eloquence and Vocalizer. I mentioned that when I tried this particular product, I noticed that Eloquence sounded quite choppy compared to other screen readers and other synths I have for NVDA on my machine running Windows 7.
>>>> I also never experienced this with Code Factory's SAPI 5 implementation.
>>>> Anyway, I got thinking about it this evening, and decided to do some searching to see if anyone else was experiencing similar issues. I found a thread about the add-on in the old NVDA list's archive, and saw a message stating that the choppiness would go away once the product was paid for. I was just wondering if this is indeed the case? If yes, it's not what I'd consider the best way to limit a trial version, but I might buy it after all.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Yours Sincerely,
>>>> Kelly John Sapergia
>>>> Show Host and Production Director
>>>> The Global Voice Internet Radio
>>>> http://www.theglobalvoice.info
>>>>
>>>> Personal Website: http://www.ksapergia.net
>>>> Business Website (KJS Productions): http://www.kjsproductions.com
>>>> Follow me on Twitter at: kjsapergia
>
>
>
>




Re: Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory

afrim maja <afrim.maja@...>
 

Why do people talk about it? They can, and I don't consider it against the rules of the list since the add-on, the alternative if you like to call it is available and accessible from within the add-on list of NVDA.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 17, 2016, at 9:33 PM, mk360 <mk.seventhson@...> wrote:

Hi,

I can pay, but the first condition is that the paid versions works as fine or better that the alternative, and as reviews as been said, that is not the case.
However, I know that in the list we can't speak about that alternative, so I don't understand why the people speak about it.

Regards,
mk.

El 17-04-2016 a las 8:04, Greg Wocher escribió:
Hello,
I want to give those of you who use the illegal eloquence add on some food for thought. When you do it and proudly proclaim that you do, you give NVDA and its users a bad reputation. I think I may purchase the Code Factory add on later this afternoon from AT Guys and I will let you all know if it gets rid of the choppiness.

Regards,
Greg Wocher

On 4/17/2016 5:32 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:
My sentiments exactly.

-----Original Message----- From: Afrim
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 6:40 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory

I have been using the old add-on of eloquonce someone made, and I am not going to pay for a program that does essentially the same thing. The add-on I am talking about works so fast and reliably.
cheers.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 17, 2016, at 6:22 AM, Kelly Sapergia <ksapergia@...> wrote:

Hi,

Recently, there was a discussion about alternative voices for NVDA, such as Code Factory's add-on with Eloquence and Vocalizer. I mentioned that when I tried this particular product, I noticed that Eloquence sounded quite choppy compared to other screen readers and other synths I have for NVDA on my machine running Windows 7.
I also never experienced this with Code Factory's SAPI 5 implementation.
Anyway, I got thinking about it this evening, and decided to do some searching to see if anyone else was experiencing similar issues. I found a thread about the add-on in the old NVDA list's archive, and saw a message stating that the choppiness would go away once the product was paid for. I was just wondering if this is indeed the case? If yes, it's not what I'd consider the best way to limit a trial version, but I might buy it after all.

Thanks.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelly John Sapergia
Show Host and Production Director
The Global Voice Internet Radio
http://www.theglobalvoice.info

Personal Website: http://www.ksapergia.net
Business Website (KJS Productions): http://www.kjsproductions.com
Follow me on Twitter at: kjsapergia



Re: TWBlue stopped working, please help?

Lenron
 

I had this same issue sort of not sure what's going on. I refuse to
use any other twitter client I really like tw blue.

On 4/18/16, Rémy Ruiz <remyruiz@...> wrote:
Hi,
Go to the TWBlue shortcut that is on the desktop, and do properties;
with Alt+Enter
Example:
"C:\Program Files\twblue\TWBlue.exe" -i
I have deleted:
-i
now is:
"C:\Program Files\twblue\TWBlue.exe"
Apply and OK or only OK
Note:
Ignore the warning of Windows and click continue and ready!
Now if you can click the shortcut TWBlue.
Well this so what I did with an installable version.
Cheers.
Rémy
Le 18/04/2016 05:23, Lisa P Geibel a écrit :
Hi,
I know I've heard about people with this program and it not working. I
even went through the time when extra characters were added to the
twblue.exe file, but this is not the case now. We've uninstalled and
reinstalled the latest version, but still nothing. Restarted the
computer and still nothing. Tried hitting enter on the desktop icon
for the program, tried running it as administrator with the context
key, tried loading it from the twblue.exe icon in the program files
folder and still nothing. Does anyone have any ideas or should we
really say a final farewell to this great program? We're running
Windows 10 with the latest build of NVDA and also have the latest
version of JAWS, but it won't work that way either. Any ideas or help
would be greatly appreciated? Thanks.
--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762


Re: TWBlue stopped working, please help?

Rémy Ruiz
 

Hi,
Go to the TWBlue shortcut that is on the desktop, and do properties; with Alt+Enter
Example:
"C:\Program Files\twblue\TWBlue.exe" -i
I have deleted:
 
-i
now is:
"C:\Program Files\twblue\TWBlue.exe"
Apply and OK or only OK
Note:
Ignore the warning of Windows and click continue and ready!
Now if you can click the shortcut TWBlue.
Well this so what I did with an installable version.
Cheers.
Rémy
Le 18/04/2016 05:23, Lisa P Geibel a écrit :

Hi,
I know I've heard about people with this program and it not working. I even went through the time when extra characters were added to the twblue.exe file, but this is not the case now. We've uninstalled and reinstalled the latest version, but still nothing. Restarted the computer and still nothing. Tried hitting enter on the desktop icon for the program, tried running it as administrator with the context key, tried loading it from the twblue.exe icon in the program files folder and still nothing. Does anyone have any ideas or should we really say a final farewell to this great program? We're running Windows 10 with the latest build of NVDA and also have the latest version of JAWS, but it won't work that way either. Any ideas or help would be greatly appreciated? Thanks.


NVDACon 2016/Tenth Anniversary Edition, Thursday, 21 April 2016 #cal-reminder

Nvda Calendar <noreply@...>
 

"NVDACon 2016/Tenth Anniversary Edition" Reminder

When: Thursday, 21 April 2016
Where: NVDA Korea TeamTalk Server
Description:

You are cordially invited to attend NVDA Users and Developers Conference (NVDACon) 2016/Tenth Anniversary Edition. This is a great opportunity to celebrate NVDA's tenth anniversary, reflect upon NVDA's accomplishments, and look forward to the future of this free, open-source, community-driven screen reader. Learn more about NVDA's history and vision from lead developers, find out how companies such as Mozilla have assisted NVDA development, get a chance to talk to authors of your favorite add-ons and more.

For more information on NVDACon, visit www.nvda-kr.org/en/nvdacon.php. We the conference organizers, NV Access and the NVDA community look forward to meeting you at NVDACon 2016.

Sincerely, NVDA Tenth Anniversary Planning Committee


AW: Where does NVDA save its setting about running in login screens?

Eigeldinger Simon <simon.eigeldinger@...>
 

Hi Chris,

There isn't anything more as far as i can see there where it gets saved.
Seems it doesn't get saved in an ini file.

Greetings,
simon


Mit freundlichen Grüßen

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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Chris Mullins [mailto:cjmullins29@...]
Gesendet: Freitag, 15. April 2016 14:53
An: nvda@groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Where does NVDA save its setting about running in login screens?

Hi Simon
Perhaps you missed the response from Joseph Lee yesterday where he indicated
an INI file is used and it is stored in the program folder. On my system I
believe it to be the nvda.ini file in

C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\systemConfig

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: Eigeldinger Simon [mailto:simon.eigeldinger@...]
Sent: 15 April 2016 06:09
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: AW: [nvda] Where does NVDA save its setting about running in login
screens?

Hi Brian,

Well basically i just want to know where this is saved. In a file or
registry.
We have a bunch of computers.
At the moment i am doing this by hand.
To get it unchecked so nvda doesn't speak at the login screen so people
don't get confused.
But ist ok if i have to do it by hand as well.


Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Simon Eigeldinger
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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Brian's Mail list account [mailto:bglists@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 14. April 2016 17:05
An: nvda@groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Where does NVDA save its setting about running in login
screens?

Are you looking for the location itself or how to make it save it. I'd
imagine as its a system setting on the current user, it is in that users
settings which are not always available for the user to fiddle with
depending on if they are an admin or not.
There is a button in the general settings and this will warn you if it
thinks there is a possible issue, such as uncertified add ons etc.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Eigeldinger Simon" <simon.eigeldinger@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 10:15 AM
Subject: [nvda] Where does NVDA save its setting about running in login
screens?


Hi all,

Where does NVDA save its setting about using NVDA in secure destkops and
windows login screen?

Thanks and greetings,
simon