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Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory

Kelly Sapergia
 

Hi,

Recently, there was a discussion about alternative voices for NVDA, such as Code Factory's add-on with Eloquence and Vocalizer. I mentioned that when I tried this particular product, I noticed that Eloquence sounded quite choppy compared to other screen readers and other synths I have for NVDA on my machine running Windows 7.
I also never experienced this with Code Factory's SAPI 5 implementation.
Anyway, I got thinking about it this evening, and decided to do some searching to see if anyone else was experiencing similar issues. I found a thread about the add-on in the old NVDA list's archive, and saw a message stating that the choppiness would go away once the product was paid for. I was just wondering if this is indeed the case? If yes, it's not what I'd consider the best way to limit a trial version, but I might buy it after all.

Thanks.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelly John Sapergia
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Re: Windows live mail question

Pauline Smith
 

I thought I read from this list that Windows Live Mail had accessibility issues.  Am I remembering right?  I have not been successful in using it with Win7 on the one or two attempts I tried.

Pauline


On 4/16/2016 7:47 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I wasn’t trying to accuse you of not understanding. I was just explaining the situation but I think I found a solution. I’ll hit the alt key twice when I compose or reply to a message. It’s working.
 
 
 
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows live mail question
 

Rosemarie,

          I have no idea why you feel the need to get into dudgeon when I say that, in my experience, you're the only person I know or have known with a specific problem.  That simply is what it is.  It's not an accusation and you need to stop behaving as though it were one.

          I cannot explain why you are having the issue you're having and have said so.  I used Windows Keyboard Shortcuts while NVDA was running to open messages for reading, replying, and composition.  The behavior I describe is for that circumstance, since I know that adding the mouse to the mix can, at times, cause things to behave differently.

Brian



Re: NVDA con

 

Hi,
00:00 UTC (5 PM Pacific on the 21st, 8 PM Eastern and elsewhere).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Kenny Peyattt jr. [mailto:p.wildcat1234@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 8:04 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA con

What time does the nvda confference start on the 22?
Kenny Peyatt jr.


NVDA con

Kenny Peyattt jr.
 

What time does the nvda confference start on the 22?
Kenny Peyatt jr.


Re: SEIKA transbraille 40 connection problem

 

Hi,

Try with 2016.1 (be sure to select Seika from list of braille displays while it is connected to your computer).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: Khom Raj Sharma [mailto:khomrajsharma@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 11:51 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] SEIKA transbraille 40 connection problem

 

Hi list,

greetings from Nepal.

I am currently using NVDA 15.4 and have SEIKA Transbraille 40 Braille display trying to connect it, but it is not working at all.

Therefore, I would appreciate if anyone of the list could explain me step by step procedure to figure it out.

 

Thanks in advance,

Khom raj Sharma

Nepal

 


SEIKA transbraille 40 connection problem

Khom Raj Sharma
 


Hi list,
greetings from Nepal.
I am currently using NVDA 15.4 and have SEIKA Transbraille 40 Braille display trying to connect it, but it is not working at all.
Therefore, I would appreciate if anyone of the list could explain me step by step procedure to figure it out.
 
Thanks in advance,
Khom raj Sharma
Nepal
 


Re: Basic Training for NVDA - Official NVDA training material now available!

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi,
 
I’m sure eventually the new training material for NVDA will be translated into other languages. Yes, I think it will make things easier for people to switch from Jaws to NVDA.
 
Rosemarie
 
 
 

Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 3:25 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Basic Training for NVDA - Official NVDA training material now available!
 

Hi,

thanks for the fast reply. With this training material, I think trying to promote NVDA in a country like Thailand where most visually-impaired users still use Jaws should be easier as they would at least know there is a reliable training material to refer to, albeit in English, which may pose a problem for visually-impaired Thais who can't understand English well, but hopefully one day this material will be translated into other languages including Thai.

Having used NVDA for a while, and having actually used it in real-world situation in the classroom, I'm now feeling confident to actually start promoting NVDA on a large-scale in Thailand, with the goal of it eventually replacing Jaws as the main screen reader for blind people in Thailand.


Re: Windows live mail question

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I wasn’t trying to accuse you of not understanding. I was just explaining the situation but I think I found a solution. I’ll hit the alt key twice when I compose or reply to a message. It’s working.
 
 
 

Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows live mail question
 

Rosemarie,

          I have no idea why you feel the need to get into dudgeon when I say that, in my experience, you're the only person I know or have known with a specific problem.  That simply is what it is.  It's not an accusation and you need to stop behaving as though it were one.

          I cannot explain why you are having the issue you're having and have said so.  I used Windows Keyboard Shortcuts while NVDA was running to open messages for reading, replying, and composition.  The behavior I describe is for that circumstance, since I know that adding the mouse to the mix can, at times, cause things to behave differently.

Brian


Re: Windows live mail question

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I was just explaining what happens but now I think I found a solution thanks to Gene. I’ll hit the alt key twice. That’s what I’m doing now and it’s working. I won’t say anything more.
 
 
 

Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows live mail question
 

Rosemarie,

          I have no idea why you feel the need to get into dudgeon when I say that, in my experience, you're the only person I know or have known with a specific problem.  That simply is what it is.  It's not an accusation and you need to stop behaving as though it were one.

          I cannot explain why you are having the issue you're having and have said so.  I used Windows Keyboard Shortcuts while NVDA was running to open messages for reading, replying, and composition.  The behavior I describe is for that circumstance, since I know that adding the mouse to the mix can, at times, cause things to behave differently.

Brian


Re: Windows live mail question

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gene,
 
I didn’t know system access doesn’t read messages in plain text. As far as composing or replying to a message, hitting alt twice does accomplish the same thing.
 
Rosemarie
 
 
 

From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows live mail question
 
First, a correction.  I made a mistake in my last message.  You can read mail in plain text using NVDA and Windows Live Mail without using the view pane.  You can just open the message and read it, as expected.  I was thinking of System Access, which doesn't read plain text mail in the ribbon version of the program unless you read it in the view pane. 
 
Now, to the alt enter question.
 
As you said in your current message, you don't have to use alt m to read a message.  You can press enter on the message and read it.  You said you have to use alt m to type a message or reply to one.  I don't think that alt m has anything to do with the problem.  I think that anything you do that leaves the message body and then you return to it when you are either composing a new message or replying to one, allows you to see what you are typing.  Or perhaps you have to do this in order to be able to place text in a message, I don't know.  I don't use Windows 10 and I can't experiment with the problem because it doesn't occur with earlier Windows versions.  Instead of pressing alt m, pressing alt twice should accomplish the same thing because it takes you out of the message you are writing or replying to and returns you to it.  My guess is that anything that moves you out of the message editing area and returns you to it will do the same thing.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows live mail question
 
Excuse me but I’m not the only one who had this problem. I had a sighted nephew work with windows live mail and he even said that NVDA didn’t see the message body. As far as seeing the message in the preview pane, I do have that turned off and I can hit enter to automatically read a message. I’m sure other people on the list had similar problems with NVDA and windows live mail. I’m wondering if you did a mouse click for NVDA to see the message body. I’m not trying to argue with you—just wondering why I have to hit alt M and enter to type a message or reply to one.
 
Rosemarie
 
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows live mail question
 

Rosemarie,

           You were having this problem before and it is inexplicable to me.  When I open Windows Live Mail 2012 on my machine and I'm in my inbox message list all I have to do is either TAB to jump to the preview pane to see the message or hit ENTER while on the message to have it open in its own Window.

           Reading e-mail as plain text is fine if you want to do so, but it is not necessary for security reasons.  Patches to prevent execution of code via HTML e-mail were put into place in contemporary e-mail clients many years ago.  This is one of those practices that, while once valuable, is really not so any more.

           I can't figure out where you'd even use ALT+M, because that's not a command in the reading side of WLM 2012.

           There are commands under ALT+M, the Message Ribbon, when you're replying (or composing a new message), but when I reply I am immediately thrown into the edit box for the message box at the outset and can just type my message.  If I am composing a new message I am thrown into the To: field when the window opens up, after filling that in TAB takes me to Subject, and after filling that in TAB takes me to the message body.  This is the behavior I've always observed on client computers as well.  NVDA just follows right along with where the system cursor has landed each and every time.

Brian


finally have a solution for compulsory signing of addons on firefox webvisum return

Mr. Wong Chi Wai <cwwong.pro@...>
 

Just read this article
go for the addons
http://www.blindbargains.com/bargains.php?m=15142


Re: Windows live mail question

Gene
 

First, a correction.  I made a mistake in my last message.  You can read mail in plain text using NVDA and Windows Live Mail without using the view pane.  You can just open the message and read it, as expected.  I was thinking of System Access, which doesn't read plain text mail in the ribbon version of the program unless you read it in the view pane. 
 
Now, to the alt enter question.
 
As you said in your current message, you don't have to use alt m to read a message.  You can press enter on the message and read it.  You said you have to use alt m to type a message or reply to one.  I don't think that alt m has anything to do with the problem.  I think that anything you do that leaves the message body and then you return to it when you are either composing a new message or replying to one, allows you to see what you are typing.  Or perhaps you have to do this in order to be able to place text in a message, I don't know.  I don't use Windows 10 and I can't experiment with the problem because it doesn't occur with earlier Windows versions.  Instead of pressing alt m, pressing alt twice should accomplish the same thing because it takes you out of the message you are writing or replying to and returns you to it.  My guess is that anything that moves you out of the message editing area and returns you to it will do the same thing.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows live mail question

Excuse me but I’m not the only one who had this problem. I had a sighted nephew work with windows live mail and he even said that NVDA didn’t see the message body. As far as seeing the message in the preview pane, I do have that turned off and I can hit enter to automatically read a message. I’m sure other people on the list had similar problems with NVDA and windows live mail. I’m wondering if you did a mouse click for NVDA to see the message body. I’m not trying to argue with you—just wondering why I have to hit alt M and enter to type a message or reply to one.
 
Rosemarie
 
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows live mail question
 

Rosemarie,

           You were having this problem before and it is inexplicable to me.  When I open Windows Live Mail 2012 on my machine and I'm in my inbox message list all I have to do is either TAB to jump to the preview pane to see the message or hit ENTER while on the message to have it open in its own Window.

           Reading e-mail as plain text is fine if you want to do so, but it is not necessary for security reasons.  Patches to prevent execution of code via HTML e-mail were put into place in contemporary e-mail clients many years ago.  This is one of those practices that, while once valuable, is really not so any more.

           I can't figure out where you'd even use ALT+M, because that's not a command in the reading side of WLM 2012.

           There are commands under ALT+M, the Message Ribbon, when you're replying (or composing a new message), but when I reply I am immediately thrown into the edit box for the message box at the outset and can just type my message.  If I am composing a new message I am thrown into the To: field when the window opens up, after filling that in TAB takes me to Subject, and after filling that in TAB takes me to the message body.  This is the behavior I've always observed on client computers as well.  NVDA just follows right along with where the system cursor has landed each and every time.

Brian


Re: Windows live mail question

 

Rosemarie,

          I have no idea why you feel the need to get into dudgeon when I say that, in my experience, you're the only person I know or have known with a specific problem.  That simply is what it is.  It's not an accusation and you need to stop behaving as though it were one.

          I cannot explain why you are having the issue you're having and have said so.  I used Windows Keyboard Shortcuts while NVDA was running to open messages for reading, replying, and composition.  The behavior I describe is for that circumstance, since I know that adding the mouse to the mix can, at times, cause things to behave differently.

Brian


10 Super Efficient Ways Inbox by Gmail Saves You Time

Kevin Chao
 

10 Super Efficient Ways Inbox by Gmail Saves You Time

Gmail is good as ever, but could Inbox by Gmail be the better choice for you?

Inbox by Gmail is Google’s most recent approach to email organization and management. It takes some getting used to, but if it’s capable of giving you a simpler email workflow, it’s worth adopting. And now you don’t even need an invite to use Inbox!

TIL you can mute in @inboxbygmail by pressing M.

— Josh Todd (@JoshTodd) April 6, 2016

To help you decide whether you should switch over to Inbox completely, we’ll show you some of the ways in which it’ll make email better for you. But first, let’s show you where everything is in Inbox’s interface.

Where Inbox Options Are

You’ll find all of Inbox’s options and settings in one of five locations:

  • The toolbar that appears when you hover over a message – This is where you’ll find the options to pin an email, snooze it, mark it as done (or move it to the inbox)

inbox-message-toolbar

  • The pop-up menu that appears when you click on the Move to… icon (three dots arranged vertically) in the toolbar shown above
  • The icon-driven menu hidden behind the Compose button – You’ll be able to see the menu when you hover over the big red plus (+) icon at the bottom right in Inbox
  • Inbox’s Settings dialog – To bring this up, click on the hamburger icon at the top left in the Inbox interface, and in the fly-out sidebar that appears, click on Settings

inbox-settings

  • Individual bundle settings – To bring up the Settings dialog for any bundle, hover on its link in the sidebar and click on the gear icon that appears next to it.

inbox-bundle-settings

Now let’s see how Inbox saves you, the user, both time and effort.

1. Turns Your Emails into To-dos

With Gmail, you can send emails as tasks to your to-do list app, but with Inbox, your email is your to-do list. Inbox treats it as such because it understands that most emails need you to take some kind of action.

Inbox allows you to mark emails as “done” instead of “read” or “archived”. That may be a simple change of wording, but it does put a different spin on email management.

I'm loving Inbox by Gmail. Making emails "actionable" made the experience amazing for a To-Do List junkie like me – Mark "Done"#InboxbyGmail

— Ashley Mitchell (@amitchellidea) October 29, 2014

Emails that you mark as done get shunted out of your way. It’s like checking tasks off your to-do list and is the equivalent of archiving in Gmail. You can also pin important emails to the top of your inbox for quick access to them.

2. Sorts Email Right for You

Inbox takes the onus of sorting your email and does a pretty good job of it. It places similar emails in groups called Bundles.

When you’re setting up Inbox for the first time, you’ll get a prompt to choose which type of emails you’d like to see grouped into a separate bundle. Trips, Promos, Updates, Forums, and Finance are some of the bundle types that you can choose from.

inbox-settings-dialog

Use the Create new… sidebar link if you’d like to create a custom bundle. You can go back and tweak your bundle preferences anytime via Inbox settings.

3. Highlights Just the Data You Need

From flight times to car rental info to order confirmations, Inbox is familiar with the kind of data that you’re usually looking for in your inbox. That’s why it keeps that important data highlighted at all times in scannable cards for easy identification.

inbox-card

Inbox also makes it easy to tell if an email has attachments, photos, inline images, links to videos, etc., by making their thumbnails visible in your inbox.

inbox-thumbnails

If you mention a link, a phone number, or an email address while creating a reminder in Inbox, its Assist feature brings up extra information that it thinks you might need. We’re sharing this tweet as an example:

Another win for @inboxbygmail. I set this reminder for myself a month ago, and Inbox knows when my pharmacy opens! pic.twitter.com/pUMliylPnc

— Danger Manley (@DangerManley) March 30, 2016

You’ll appreciate that Inbox is smart enough to not display sensitive data like license keys in cards.

4. Speeds up Email Replies

For any email that’s currently open, Inbox lists three text snippets beneath the message. These are replies crafted by Inbox to save you some time. Click on any of the snippets and a new draft appears with that snippet pasted in the body of the reply email. You can review and edit the email before you hit Send.

inbox-smart-reply

Inbox notes the changes you make and learns from them, crafting better response options with each iteration. It also works its way up to more complex sentences as you keep using the Smart Reply feature. Smart replies are available on the web and on mobile.

The @inboxbygmail auto-replies are creepily accurate. AI is making impressive strides. And saving me time. :-)

— Bart Verkoeijen (@bgever) April 8, 2016

5. Speeds up Searches

The problem with email searches is that you still have to look through the results to find key information. Inbox knows that this can be time consuming and does its best to push the right information to the top. Then it shows you other relevant results in two groups: Top results and All results.

When I searched for flight time in Inbox, right at the top it showed me the most relevant card that matched my query — a card highlighting the flight number as well as the departure date and time for the earliest upcoming flight. Handy!

inbox-smart-search

6. Acts as Your Travel Assistant

Tracking travel plans has never been this smooth. Inbox has a dedicated bundle called a trip bundle that gathers all emails related to each of your trips in one place. Click on Trips in the sidebar to view trip bundles for upcoming trips as well as completed ones. Click on any of them and there’s all the right data you need!

I am travelling soon! Who wants to meet? Let me know ??

ps love how @inboxbygmail automatically creates itineraries pic.twitter.com/83NEVqCCUW

— Antal János Monori (@anthonymonori) April 7, 2016

You can even share trip summaries with family and friends quite easily. All you have to do is open a trip bundle, click on the Share trip icon (right-facing curved arrow), fill in the recipient’s email address, and hit Send. Inbox takes care of adding the trip summary to the email when you click on Share trip.

Trip-Info

7. Prompts You to Create Reminders

When you receive an email that Inbox identifies as a to-do, it suggests adding a reminder for it. You can accept its suggestion by clicking on ADD REMINDER. This way you don’t need to follow up on emails that require action. All you have to do is accept Inbox’s reminder suggestions and get on with your work till Inbox prompts you again to take action.

inbox-reminder-suggestion

Reminders that you create in Inbox and tie to a specific time and location show up as cards in Google Now. Also, when you add a reminder in Google Now or in Google Keep, it turns up in Inbox. You’ll find it under Reminders in the sidebar.

inbox-reminder-from-keep

8. Keeps Emails out of Sight Till You Need Them

Emails that you don’t need right now are often a distraction because you have to bypass them to get to the ones you do need. To help tackle this problem, Inbox also allows you to snooze emails for later.

Snoozing an email hides it temporarily and moves it back to your inbox when you’re ready for it. If you still aren’t, feel free to hit Snooze again.

You can pick from snooze times like Next week, Someday, and This weekend or add a custom snooze date, time, and place.

inbox-snooze-email

9. Lets You Control the Frequency of Promo and Update Emails

It’s annoying to have promotional emails or update emails trickle into your inbox throughout the day. But with Inbox, you can opt to display the Promo and Update bundles in your inbox just once a day or even once a week. The catch is that you can’t change the time at which the bundles appear in your inbox. The default is 7 AM and you’ll have to live with that, for now anyway.

To set the frequency for promo emails, open the Settings dialog for the Promos bundle. There, under Show bundle, select the radio button next to Once a day or Once a week and close the dialog. Repeat this process for the Updates bundle.

inbox-promo-settings

In the bundle settings dialog, if you have set the Bundle messages in the inbox option to Off, you won’t get the email frequency option, but you will get one to automatically mark messages as done when they arrive.

Note: Promo emails include deals, offers, etc. and update emails include notification emails like confirmations and alerts.

10. Learns What You Need

Inbox uses intelligent scanning to sort your emails, highlight key information, and to provide suggestions for reminders, replies, and searches. What’s great is that the more you work with Inbox, the better it gets at giving you relevant suggestions. This is sure to save you a lot of typing and correction as you continue to use Inbox.

Also, you don’t need to learn or remember any special syntax to interact with Inbox, because it recognizes natural language just fine.

Inbox by Gmail now uses natural language recognition to suggest reminders to add http://t.co/Aii7xayyUU pic.twitter.com/UACcl7ufng

— Ali Güçlü ? (@aliguclu) June 21, 2015

Inbox Is Great, But…

The quick and easy data access that Inbox provides is made possible by the data-scanning mechanism built into it. This means that Inbox trawls your messages to bring up the information that’s most relevant to you. Creepy? It sure is, unless the lack of privacy doesn’t bother you much. This intrusion into every part of your life is the biggest problem with Inbox, granted that it’s an intrusion that has your blessings if you sign up for Inbox.

Started looking at Inbox by Google. Became concerned about privacy. Remembered I already use Gmail so I don't have privacy anymore.

— Chris of ComicBookDB (@comicbookdb) November 7, 2014

Except for the privacy bit, none of Inbox’s cons seem to be deal breakers. A unified inbox feature would have been a useful addition for managing multiple Google accounts in Inbox though. For now, you’ll have to stick to account switching just like you do in Gmail. A one-click delete option for emails would also have been nice.

Unbox Inbox!

You won’t know if Inbox is worth making your primary email client unless you spend some time with it. Get started on that today. If it’s been more than a year since you tried Inbox and went back to Gmail, give it another shot, because Inbox has evolved quite a bit between then and now.

The takeaway here is that if it’s efficiency that you’re looking for, Inbox gives you an awesome deal. Not so much if privacy is your top concern at all costs.

Have you switched to Inbox by Gmail? Has it changed your email workflow for the better? Did you hate it and go back to regular Gmail? We’d love to hear about your experience with Inbox.

Image Credit: Hourglass clock by Dima Sobko via Shutterstock


Re: Windows live mail question

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Excuse me but I’m not the only one who had this problem. I had a sighted nephew work with windows live mail and he even said that NVDA didn’t see the message body. As far as seeing the message in the preview pane, I do have that turned off and I can hit enter to automatically read a message. I’m sure other people on the list had similar problems with NVDA and windows live mail. I’m wondering if you did a mouse click for NVDA to see the message body. I’m not trying to argue with you—just wondering why I have to hit alt M and enter to type a message or reply to one.
 
Rosemarie
 

Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows live mail question
 

Rosemarie,

           You were having this problem before and it is inexplicable to me.  When I open Windows Live Mail 2012 on my machine and I'm in my inbox message list all I have to do is either TAB to jump to the preview pane to see the message or hit ENTER while on the message to have it open in its own Window.

           Reading e-mail as plain text is fine if you want to do so, but it is not necessary for security reasons.  Patches to prevent execution of code via HTML e-mail were put into place in contemporary e-mail clients many years ago.  This is one of those practices that, while once valuable, is really not so any more.

           I can't figure out where you'd even use ALT+M, because that's not a command in the reading side of WLM 2012.

           There are commands under ALT+M, the Message Ribbon, when you're replying (or composing a new message), but when I reply I am immediately thrown into the edit box for the message box at the outset and can just type my message.  If I am composing a new message I am thrown into the To: field when the window opens up, after filling that in TAB takes me to Subject, and after filling that in TAB takes me to the message body.  This is the behavior I've always observed on client computers as well.  NVDA just follows right along with where the system cursor has landed each and every time.

Brian


Re: Why is installing an addon on firefox such a nightmare!

Ali Colak
 

Thanks to all who've replied. I originally downloaded a portable
coppy of Mozilla on to a thumb drive, than added web visum to that
and it worked. Then I saw the e-mails about the signed version of web
visum onto my actually computer, and that's what I'll be using from
now on.

Thanks again

On 4/16/16, Kevin Chao <kevinchao89@...> wrote:
Webvisum CAPTCHA Solver returns to Firefox
<http://www.blindbargains.com/bargains.php?m=15142>

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 11:19 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Almost every time I see a statement on technology lists I follow
preceedded with the words I heard or something similar, the statement is
either wrong or very misleading. I quoted and linked to the source I got
the information from, a Firefox document that is part of a Wiki by
Mozilla. I see no reason to question its accuracy. It appears to come
from the developers.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
*Sent:* Saturday, April 16, 2016 11:18 AM
*To:* nvda@groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Why is installing an addon on firefox such a
nightmare!

but i heard that it work well not temporary.

On 4/16/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
As a temporary solution, you can do this. As you will see, it is only
temporary.
From https://wiki.mozilla.org/Add-ons/Extension_Signing
•Firefox 43: Firefox has a preference that allows signature enforcement
to
be disabled (xpinstall.signatures.required in about:config). •Firefox
47:
(Pushed from Firefox 46). Release and Beta versions of Firefox for
Desktop
will not allow unsigned extensions to be installed, with no override.

It wouldn't make sense for Mozilla to have a security requirement of
this
type and give a way to disable it.

Gene
----- original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 10:02 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Why is installing an addon on firefox such a
nightmare!


hi.
someone told me that in the address bar type about:config.
in the list, search and find xpinstall.signatures.required press enter
to deactivate it.
i read firefox new versions and release note and this problem happened
in firefox since version 41.
hope that help.
thank for your question and god bless you.

On 4/16/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
I am given to believe that this add on is not approved any more,
either
use

an older version of the Firefox program, or you have to hack about in
the
advanced settings to turn off approval certification.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ali Colak" <alish54@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 11:39 AM
Subject: [nvda] Why is installing an addon on firefox such a
nightmare!


Or am I doing something wrong.
Hello to all. Last night I tried to reinstall webvisum, as I have
just baught a new computer. When ever I press the install link, the
notifaction to allow firefox to install the addon comes. I've tried
pressing alt+a several times, and I've tried pressing the space bar
or
enter when it seems that I'm on the allow button, nothing works.
I don't remember seeing any other complaints about this from anyone,
so is it only me getting something so basic wrong?

Any suggestions?
Ali






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Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
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Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org





Re: Why is installing an addon on firefox such a nightmare!

Kevin Chao
 

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 11:19 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Almost every time I see a statement on technology lists I follow preceedded with the words I heard or something similar, the statement is either wrong or very misleading.  I quoted and linked to the source I got the information from,  a Firefox document that is part of a Wiki by Mozilla.  I see no reason to question its accuracy.  It appears to come from the developers.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Why is installing an addon on firefox such a nightmare!

but i heard that it work well not temporary.

On 4/16/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> As a temporary solution, you can do this.  As you will see, it is only
> temporary.
> From https://wiki.mozilla.org/Add-ons/Extension_Signing
> •Firefox 43: Firefox has a preference that allows signature enforcement to
> be disabled (xpinstall.signatures.required in about:config). •Firefox 47:
> (Pushed from Firefox 46). Release and Beta versions of Firefox for Desktop
> will not allow unsigned extensions to be installed, with no override.
>
> It wouldn't make sense for Mozilla to have a security requirement of this
> type and give a way to disable it.
>
> Gene
> ----- original Message -----
>
> From: nasrin khaksar
> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 10:02 AM
> To: nvda@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Why is installing an addon on firefox such a nightmare!
>
>
> hi.
> someone told me that in the address bar type about:config.
> in the list, search and find xpinstall.signatures.required press enter
> to deactivate it.
> i read firefox new versions and release note and this problem happened
> in firefox since version 41.
> hope that help.
> thank for your question and god bless you.
>
> On 4/16/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
>> I am given to believe that this add on is not approved any more, either
>> use
>>
>> an older version of the Firefox program, or you have to hack about in the
>> advanced settings to turn off approval certification.
>>  Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal email to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ali Colak" <alish54@...>
>> To: <nvda@groups.io>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 11:39 AM
>> Subject: [nvda] Why is installing an addon on firefox such a nightmare!
>>
>>
>>>  Or am I doing something wrong.
>>>  Hello to all. Last night I tried to reinstall webvisum, as I have
>>> just baught a new computer. When ever I press the install link, the
>>> notifaction to allow firefox to install the addon comes. I've tried
>>> pressing alt+a several times, and I've tried pressing the space bar or
>>> enter when it seems that I'm on the allow button, nothing works.
>>>  I don't remember seeing any other complaints about this from anyone,
>>> so is it only me getting something so basic wrong?
>>>
>>>  Any suggestions?
>>>  Ali
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
> written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
> good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
> and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
> burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
> believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
> has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
> holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>
>
>


--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




Re: Windows live mail question

 

Rosemarie,

           You were having this problem before and it is inexplicable to me.  When I open Windows Live Mail 2012 on my machine and I'm in my inbox message list all I have to do is either TAB to jump to the preview pane to see the message or hit ENTER while on the message to have it open in its own Window.

           Reading e-mail as plain text is fine if you want to do so, but it is not necessary for security reasons.  Patches to prevent execution of code via HTML e-mail were put into place in contemporary e-mail clients many years ago.  This is one of those practices that, while once valuable, is really not so any more.

           I can't figure out where you'd even use ALT+M, because that's not a command in the reading side of WLM 2012.

           There are commands under ALT+M, the Message Ribbon, when you're replying (or composing a new message), but when I reply I am immediately thrown into the edit box for the message box at the outset and can just type my message.  If I am composing a new message I am thrown into the To: field when the window opens up, after filling that in TAB takes me to Subject, and after filling that in TAB takes me to the message body.  This is the behavior I've always observed on client computers as well.  NVDA just follows right along with where the system cursor has landed each and every time.

Brian


Re: Windows live mail question

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

   
 

From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows live mail question
 
I never use alt m and I don't know what that command does.  If you are reading mail as plain text using the ribbon version of Windows Live Mail and NVDA, simply opening the message by pressing enter won't allow you to read the message in the usual way.  I don't know what the case is with other screen-readers.  Using the preview pane does allow you to read it in the usual way.  In other words, in the message list, move to a message you want to read.  If the preview pane is on, as it is by default, tab once to be in the preview pane.  Issue the read to end command and the message will be read.  Once finished, either shift tab once or tab twice to get back to the message list.  Then do whatever you want, delete the message or move to another message or anything you want to do in the program. 
 
While I think the preview pane should be off if you read all mail as html, if you read mail as plain text, there is no security risk having the preview pane on.
When reading mail as html, you don't have to use the preview pane.  You can simply press enter to read the message so you can conveniently have it off. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows live mail question
 
Hi, Brian,
 
I just installed windows live mail but I do have a question. How do you get NVDA to see the message body? I have to hit alt M and enter for NVDA to see the message body.
 
Thanks.

Rosemarie
 
 
 
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows live mail question
 

Windows Live Mail, along with Thunderbird, are the two most screen-reader friendly no-cost e-mail clients that I've worked with in recent years.

I have no problem with WLM 2012 with NVDA nor with JAWS, and I never turn the preview pane off for two reasons:  it's on by default and if you do want someone sighted either to help you or just to take a look at something it's very convenient.

If your mother is not already familiar with a specific e-mail client I'd suggest Windows Live Mail 2012.  There is really no purpose in using the older versions of the program for someone who's got to learn from scratch to begin with.  The ribbon system is here to stay and it's putting off the inevitable to try to avoid it.  Do not use Outlook Express, even if you can get a hacked copy.

Brian


Re: Windows live mail question

Gene
 

I never use alt m and I don't know what that command does.  If you are reading mail as plain text using the ribbon version of Windows Live Mail and NVDA, simply opening the message by pressing enter won't allow you to read the message in the usual way.  I don't know what the case is with other screen-readers.  Using the preview pane does allow you to read it in the usual way.  In other words, in the message list, move to a message you want to read.  If the preview pane is on, as it is by default, tab once to be in the preview pane.  Issue the read to end command and the message will be read.  Once finished, either shift tab once or tab twice to get back to the message list.  Then do whatever you want, delete the message or move to another message or anything you want to do in the program. 
 
While I think the preview pane should be off if you read all mail as html, if you read mail as plain text, there is no security risk having the preview pane on.
When reading mail as html, you don't have to use the preview pane.  You can simply press enter to read the message so you can conveniently have it off. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows live mail question

Hi, Brian,
 
I just installed windows live mail but I do have a question. How do you get NVDA to see the message body? I have to hit alt M and enter for NVDA to see the message body.
 
Thanks.

Rosemarie
 
 
 
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows live mail question
 

Windows Live Mail, along with Thunderbird, are the two most screen-reader friendly no-cost e-mail clients that I've worked with in recent years.

I have no problem with WLM 2012 with NVDA nor with JAWS, and I never turn the preview pane off for two reasons:  it's on by default and if you do want someone sighted either to help you or just to take a look at something it's very convenient.

If your mother is not already familiar with a specific e-mail client I'd suggest Windows Live Mail 2012.  There is really no purpose in using the older versions of the program for someone who's got to learn from scratch to begin with.  The ribbon system is here to stay and it's putting off the inevitable to try to avoid it.  Do not use Outlook Express, even if you can get a hacked copy.

Brian