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Re: Scrolling in Adobe Reader

Gene
 

I doubt that if this works, that it matters if you switch to focus mode from browse mode.  You can experiment and see but I have not heard of such commands as page down being affected by the mode being used. 

Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scrolling in Adobe Reader

Hi:

What if you go into Focus Mode and press control-page down.

Kevin Huber
On 10/18/16, kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...> wrote:
> While using NVDA to read a large PDF file, I don't want to open all of
> the pages at once. However in reading one page at a time, NVDA doesn't
> scroll down when I get to the bottom of that page; instead it just
> wraps around to the top of the page again. Is there a way to stop
> this?
>
>
>
>



Re: can't find team viewer

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I found it after playing with settings last night.

On 10/19/2016 12:56 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Maybe its under a different name. One assumes the shortcut has for some reason been deleted or renamed.
Of course if it was installed by a different account and not made available to all accounts it would not appar to be there at all.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 6:24 AM
Subject: [nvda] can't find team viewer


Hi, everyone,


I know for a fact that team view is on this computer but I can't find it. I typed it in the start search box and it didn't work. Couldn't find it except in the programs and features. I don't know whaqt to do! This computer is brand-new and I'm having problems with it.


Rosemarie







Re: can't find team viewer

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I did manage to find it after playing with the settings last night.

On 10/19/2016 1:02 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi.
you can dont install it and run it only you need it!
i installed it before, uninstall it and i run it whenever i need it.
or maybe you installed it in a different drive of your hard.
go to all program and certainly you should find it there!

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Maybe its under a different name. One assumes the shortcut has for some
reason been deleted or renamed.
Of course if it was installed by a different account and not made available

to all accounts it would not appar to be there at all.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 6:24 AM
Subject: [nvda] can't find team viewer


Hi, everyone,


I know for a fact that team view is on this computer but I can't find it.

I typed it in the start search box and it didn't work. Couldn't find it
except in the programs and features. I don't know whaqt to do! This
computer is brand-new and I'm having problems with it.


Rosemarie








Re: NVDA And AVGVirus Scan

Chris Mullins
 

How are you doing the update, via the ‘Check for updates’ item in the NVDA help menu or running from the downloaded software installer?  Also ensure your AVG virus definitions are up-to-date.

 

I find it better to use the downloaded software installer and AVG should give you the option of allowing the file it identifies as viral, although the AVG dialogs are not particularly easy to navigate.

 

Cheers

Chris

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Sent: 19 October 2016 16:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA And AVGVirus Scan
Importance: High

 

I am using two computers.  On one the OS is Windows 7.  NVDA  2016.3 works fine although I using AVG As the anti-virus scanner.  On my other computer, my OS Is Windows 10.  On it I am still using NVDA 2013.  When I try to upgrade NVDA to 2016.3, AVG Blocks it.  Can you help me solve this problem?      

Anthony Bernard


Re: facebook question

Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...>
 

Thanks for getting back to me.  This was very helpful.  Thns,
 

From: Jeffrey Shockley
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 10:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] facebook question
 

Hello,

There's really nothing that can be done as far as NVDA goes.

However, what I would suggest is to either use the regular Facebook site which is a lot more accessible now, or contact the Facebook Accessibility team and file a bug so that they can fix it.

I hope this helps,
Jeffrey


On 10/19/2016 9:33 AM, Gary Metzler wrote:
Hi All,
 
I am using the latest win 10 and nvda.  When I am on the mobil facebook web site nvda says a lot of numbers and letters when it gets to list of people I know.  Is there any way I can limit this behavior or, is this normal for nvda?  Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox


Re: chromebooks and accessibility?

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello,

This information, unfortunately, is not accurate. Chrome OS is a derivitive of Linux, however it is *very* accessible. Chrome OS has a screen reader called Chromevox. Chromevox has recently been rewritten to be much more user-friendly. With the use of Google Docs, sheets, slides, checking e-mail, playing music, watching movies and reading books, Chrome OS does a wonderful job. For most people, it works quite well... and as you saw, there are low-cost options. The low-cost options increase a bit of latency, but run just fine. I have a cheap one and a Google Pixel, which is quite expensive, and I like them both.

If you have additional questions about Chrome OS, please find the Google group called chromevox-discuss. This list is for the discussion of NVDA, and NVDA does not run on a Chromeboox.

Thanks.

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 10:14 AM Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...> wrote:

chrome books run (you guessed it, chrome os) Chrome os is not windows, chrome os is not windows, (this bears repeating) chrome os is not windows.  None of your windows programs are going to run on a chrome book.  Chrome os is a linux derivitive, and it runs linux apps specifically written for chrome os.  Sure, you can wipe it, and install a full version of linux if you like, and in that case, all your standard linux apps will work just fine, but out of the box, no, there's nothing you can run on a chrome book to get it to talk and be usable for the visually impaired.  The only thing you can do is (as mentioned above) install a full linux release, which would then give you the capability of running orca, speakup, or some combination thereof.  I suppose if it's got enough muscle, you might be able to get a version of windows installed, but generally speaking, chrome books are lower end machines, that wouldn't handle windows on a good day, though linux will work just fine.  I've seen some converted chrome books running linux, and they do it quite well, even with the minimal resources.  I have not, however, tried running orca/speakup on any of these converted boxes, as they weren't mine, and I had no call to experiment.  I was seriously considering purchasing one though, to see if I could get talkback to work on it, though I've not made the attempt just yet.  Perhaps next year I'll be able to carry out this experiment, and if I do, rest assured, I'll certainly let everyone on this list (and others) know my results.



On 10/19/2016 10:59 AM, ken lawrence via Groups.io wrote:
Hi list, ken here with a question.  posted this on the tech zone but got no reply.  saw an item in associated press yesterday about a new chromebook being released.  I know some things about chromebooks namely that they are a bare bones computer.  all they have on them is the browser and the media player.  the operating system is in the cloud this chromebook I saw released new only costs $199.  that seems like a good option for those on a budget.  the question is can NVDA or any screen reader run on a chromebook and are they generally accessibile for blind/visually impaired?  not sure if anyone on this list knows the answer to that.  it seems like for someone without a laptop this could be a good option for me. 




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NVDA And AVGVirus Scan

Anthony Bernard <par-avion@...>
 

I am using two computers.  On one the OS is Windows 7.  NVDA  2016.3 works fine although I using AVG As the anti-virus scanner.  On my other computer, my OS Is Windows 10.  On it I am still using NVDA 2013.  When I try to upgrade NVDA to 2016.3, AVG Blocks it.  Can you help me solve this problem?      

Anthony Bernard


Re: chromebooks and accessibility?

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

chrome books run (you guessed it, chrome os) Chrome os is not windows, chrome os is not windows, (this bears repeating) chrome os is not windows.  None of your windows programs are going to run on a chrome book.  Chrome os is a linux derivitive, and it runs linux apps specifically written for chrome os.  Sure, you can wipe it, and install a full version of linux if you like, and in that case, all your standard linux apps will work just fine, but out of the box, no, there's nothing you can run on a chrome book to get it to talk and be usable for the visually impaired.  The only thing you can do is (as mentioned above) install a full linux release, which would then give you the capability of running orca, speakup, or some combination thereof.  I suppose if it's got enough muscle, you might be able to get a version of windows installed, but generally speaking, chrome books are lower end machines, that wouldn't handle windows on a good day, though linux will work just fine.  I've seen some converted chrome books running linux, and they do it quite well, even with the minimal resources.  I have not, however, tried running orca/speakup on any of these converted boxes, as they weren't mine, and I had no call to experiment.  I was seriously considering purchasing one though, to see if I could get talkback to work on it, though I've not made the attempt just yet.  Perhaps next year I'll be able to carry out this experiment, and if I do, rest assured, I'll certainly let everyone on this list (and others) know my results.



On 10/19/2016 10:59 AM, ken lawrence via Groups.io wrote:
Hi list, ken here with a question.  posted this on the tech zone but got no reply.  saw an item in associated press yesterday about a new chromebook being released.  I know some things about chromebooks namely that they are a bare bones computer.  all they have on them is the browser and the media player.  the operating system is in the cloud this chromebook I saw released new only costs $199.  that seems like a good option for those on a budget.  the question is can NVDA or any screen reader run on a chromebook and are they generally accessibile for blind/visually impaired?  not sure if anyone on this list knows the answer to that.  it seems like for someone without a laptop this could be a good option for me. 




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Re: NVDA and Fractions

Kevin Huber
 

Hi Travis:

You are exactly right.
You have expressed it better than I ever could

Kevin Huber

On 10/19/16, Travis Siegel <tsiegel@softcon.com> wrote:
heh, this whole the synthesizer knows better than you do has been an
ongoing argument for me with apple since around 2005. I still insist,
and insist most heartily that it's the screen reader's job to read the
screen, and it's the user's job to interpret what the read information
means. But, yet, synthesizer makers insist on putting anchronyms in the
text to speech so it pronounces things, even if they're not actually
there on the screen. I can't tell you how many hours of coding time
I've lost trying to figure why my source code was saying something, only
to find out later that what my synth was reading wasn't in the code at
all, but just some damned text expansion the synth maker put into the
text to speech output to make it more convinient for the user. Well,
let me tell you, it's not more convinient for me to hear the word volume
when the letters on the screen are v o l. And, it's certainly not
useful to hear something pronounced as saint ego soars when the word is
stegosaurus. You know, sometimes the letters s and t together don't
mean street or saint, and sometimes, an I and a V together don't
necessarily mean roman numeral four. Ok, I get it, they're trying to
make them more user friendly, but in my opinion, there's nothing more
friendly than a screen reader that reads the screen and leaves the
meaning of what it reads up to me to decide.



On 10/19/2016 10:51 AM, Kevin Huber wrote:
Hi:

I have found this to be a problem with several synthesizers such as
Microsoft Anna and others. For example, it is verry annoying to here
"ca" always being pronounced as "California" when I want it to be
pronounced as Canada. There are a number of others which I cannot
remember ofhand, but it seems that a number of speech synthesizers
have abrivations hardcoded into them and the only way to eliminate the
problem is to use another synthesizer. E-speak is a good alternative
if you can get used to its speech.
Kevin Huber





Re: NVDA and Fractions

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

heh, this whole the synthesizer knows better than you do has been an ongoing argument for me with apple since around 2005. I still insist, and insist most heartily that it's the screen reader's job to read the screen, and it's the user's job to interpret what the read information means. But, yet, synthesizer makers insist on putting anchronyms in the text to speech so it pronounces things, even if they're not actually there on the screen. I can't tell you how many hours of coding time I've lost trying to figure why my source code was saying something, only to find out later that what my synth was reading wasn't in the code at all, but just some damned text expansion the synth maker put into the text to speech output to make it more convinient for the user. Well, let me tell you, it's not more convinient for me to hear the word volume when the letters on the screen are v o l. And, it's certainly not useful to hear something pronounced as saint ego soars when the word is stegosaurus. You know, sometimes the letters s and t together don't mean street or saint, and sometimes, an I and a V together don't necessarily mean roman numeral four. Ok, I get it, they're trying to make them more user friendly, but in my opinion, there's nothing more friendly than a screen reader that reads the screen and leaves the meaning of what it reads up to me to decide.

On 10/19/2016 10:51 AM, Kevin Huber wrote:
Hi:

I have found this to be a problem with several synthesizers such as
Microsoft Anna and others. For example, it is verry annoying to here
"ca" always being pronounced as "California" when I want it to be
pronounced as Canada. There are a number of others which I cannot
remember ofhand, but it seems that a number of speech synthesizers
have abrivations hardcoded into them and the only way to eliminate the
problem is to use another synthesizer. E-speak is a good alternative
if you can get used to its speech.
Kevin Huber


chromebooks and accessibility?

ken lawrence
 

Hi list, ken here with a question.  posted this on the tech zone but got no reply.  saw an item in associated press yesterday about a new chromebook being released.  I know some things about chromebooks namely that they are a bare bones computer.  all they have on them is the browser and the media player.  the operating system is in the cloud this chromebook I saw released new only costs $199.  that seems like a good option for those on a budget.  the question is can NVDA or any screen reader run on a chromebook and are they generally accessibile for blind/visually impaired?  not sure if anyone on this list knows the answer to that.  it seems like for someone without a laptop this could be a good option for me. 


Re: NVDA and Fractions

Kevin Huber
 

Hi:

I have found this to be a problem with several synthesizers such as
Microsoft Anna and others. For example, it is verry annoying to here
"ca" always being pronounced as "California" when I want it to be
pronounced as Canada. There are a number of others which I cannot
remember ofhand, but it seems that a number of speech synthesizers
have abrivations hardcoded into them and the only way to eliminate the
problem is to use another synthesizer. E-speak is a good alternative
if you can get used to its speech.
Kevin Huber

On 10/17/16, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello All,

On the JFW group a thread has started entitled, How to insert a
1-digit fraction into a 2013 word document (
https://jfw.groups.io/g/main/topic/how_to_insert_a_1_digit/2911704?p=,,,100,0,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,100,2,0,2911704
)

I started playing with NVDA and Window-Eyes to see how they'd
handle three-character fraction designations versus single vulgar fraction
characters for vulgar fractions other than one fourth, one half, and three
quarters. With NVDA I've run into an interesting issue that I cannot seem
to fix in the context of writing something incredibly common: a recipe.
Virtually any recipe you name might contain a fraction of a cup of
something. When I use one slash three for one third, or two slash three for
two thirds, the word cup that follows it is consistently announced as Cuban
Pesos, not cup. This is not true when I use a vulgar fraction character
ahead of the word cup, and NVDA does what I consider the more natural thing
and doesn't announce "vulgar" or "vulgar fraction" followed by one third or
two thirds, but just says the fractional amount and the word cup gets said
as cup.

I have tried tweaking the default and voice dictionaries, but must
be doing something wrong. The pattern I'm using is the word cup, and the
replacement is the word cup, and I make sure that it's set for whole word
only. Even after doing this I still get "Cuban pesos" after the
three-character version of a vulgar fraction. I have exited NVDA and
restarted it and it makes no difference.

I either don't have the format down correctly for what I need to
put in for the dictionary, have the wrong dictionary, or there's some sort
of bug here as I can't imagine "Cuban pesos" to be something you'd want said
for "cup" except in the very rarest of circumstances.

Can anyone help me out here?
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Re: Scrolling in Adobe Reader

Kevin Huber
 

Hi:

What if you go into Focus Mode and press control-page down.

Kevin Huber

On 10/18/16, kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@gmail.com> wrote:
While using NVDA to read a large PDF file, I don't want to open all of
the pages at once. However in reading one page at a time, NVDA doesn't
scroll down when I get to the bottom of that page; instead it just
wraps around to the top of the page again. Is there a way to stop
this?




Re: I am a old user with a new email address

Devin Prater
 

Welcome back to the list. :)

On 10/16/2016 3:36 PM, laura cornwell wrote:
Hi My name is laura Cornwell I am just using a different email address. I
have been a NVDA user for a long time now I would love to be able to help
someone on this list when I can. t



Re: facebook question

Jeffrey Shockley
 

Hello,

There's really nothing that can be done as far as NVDA goes.

However, what I would suggest is to either use the regular Facebook site which is a lot more accessible now, or contact the Facebook Accessibility team and file a bug so that they can fix it.

I hope this helps,
Jeffrey


On 10/19/2016 9:33 AM, Gary Metzler wrote:
Hi All,
 
I am using the latest win 10 and nvda.  When I am on the mobil facebook web site nvda says a lot of numbers and letters when it gets to list of people I know.  Is there any way I can limit this behavior or, is this normal for nvda?  Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox


facebook question

Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...>
 

Hi All,
 
I am using the latest win 10 and nvda.  When I am on the mobil facebook web site nvda says a lot of numbers and letters when it gets to list of people I know.  Is there any way I can limit this behavior or, is this normal for nvda?  Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox


Re: Outlook 2016 and Ribbon

Gene
 

Ribbons are not menus.  They are ribbons.  In a program with ribbons, open the ribbons with alt.  Use the left and right arrow to move from ribbon to ribbon, as you would move from menu to menu.  Let's say you want to look through the view ribbon.  When you get to view, start to tab.  You will move through all the items in the view menu.  If you get to a menu, available in the ribbon in this way, press enter or space bar to open the menu.  Activate buttons in the usual way, with the space bar.  If you have problems working with structures, let us know.  There are often a lot more items in a ribbon than in one menu.  Something you intend to use regularly would be a good idea to memorize the command for.  As you move through the ribbon, such as the view ribbon, you will hear, if you let your screen-reader read to the end every time you tab, a command.  For example, this is fictitious, and if there is such a command it is coincidental, enlarge, v e.  If you press alt and then v and then e, you will activate the command or open the item, such as a menu. 
 
There are other commands to move faster between sections of a ribbon, but I'll let others discuss them.  I don't use ribbons enough to remember.  In other words, ribbons are generally divided into sections and you can move from section to section.  For example, an e-mail program may have a section in a ribbon named respond, where you will find commands such as reply and forward. 
Ribbon programs do have one menu you will find by left and right arrowing through the ribbons.  As you left and right arrow, you will come across something that says file, as I recall,  and it is a menu.  you may hear something else announced, I don't remember just what.  Perhaps something about a grid if you let your screen-reader read everything about the menu.  Don't worry about it.  Some common commands are in the menu such as save as.  You will see commands such as f,a, for save as in that menu.  Some of these commands will be the same as you are used to. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 and Ribbon

I am having trouble using the ribbon menu. I don't know how to find whether
status flags are visible. I was doing fine with the classic menus in
Outlook, but I am quite confused with ribbon menus in Office.

Ralph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pranav
Lal
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 8:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016

Ralf,

I am using Outlook 2016. I am told when a message is unread. However, I am
not told when it is read. One shot in the dark,  Check your view settings;
Are status flags visible?

Pranav

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ralph
Boersema
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 6:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Outlook 2016

Dear Folks,

I admit that I don't regularly read these list messages and, therefore,
probably missed reading an earlier exchange about this topic. I have just
updated to Office 2016 and find that in Outlook NVDA does not read to me
whether a message is marked as read or unread. Is there some setting I need
to change in Outlook?

Warmly,
Ralph










About Weather Plus

Adriano Barbieri
 

Hi to every one,

I note that you again can set it to maximum day forecast weather.

Regards
Adriano


Re: A suggestion for the next NVDA release

Antony Stone
 

I very much prefer "Checkbox. Would you like to receive spam? Not checked"

It introduces what the item is before you hear any details about it, and it
also neatly "frames" the item so you know exactly where it starts and ends.

Someone might just as easily have created a webpage containing the text "Would
you like to receive", followed by several options such as "spam", "junk mail"
"nuisance phone calls", "unexpected visitors" etc, so it's nice to know where
the description of each selectable item begins and ends.

Also, knowing whether something is a link, or a checkbox, or a drop-down list,
before you hear any details about what it says, makes more sense to me than
hearing what something says and then finding out what it was.


Antony.

On Wednesday 19 October 2016 at 12:38:57, Chris Mullins wrote:

This is not as straight forward as it may seem. Would this change be made
for all element types? It would be inconsistent just to do it for some
and what if the element has a state that also requires voicing? For
example, a check box, would you rather hear: Checkbox Would you like to
receive spam? Not checked
Checkbox not checked would you like to receive spam?
Would you like to receive spam? Checkbox not checked

Food for thought ...

Cheers
Chris
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Re: A suggestion for the next NVDA release

Chris Mullins
 

This is not as straight forward as it may seem. Would this change be made for all element types? It would be inconsistent just to do it for some and what if the element has a state that also requires voicing? For example, a check box, would you rather hear:
Checkbox Would you like to receive spam? Not checked
Checkbox not checked would you like to receive spam?
Would you like to receive spam? Checkbox not checked

Food for thought ...

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Casey
Sent: 19 October 2016 05:09
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A suggestion for the next NVDA release

Hi when I am on A web page I just use the letter H when going from heading to heading.
And of course the tab key when going from link to link.


--
Casey