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Re: which is the most accessible virtual machine

Jacob Kruger
 

Sorry - should also have said, that to switch focus into a VMWare player instance, ctrl + G when focused on it, and then combination of ctrl + alt to switch back to host operating system - and, I seem to need to then hit ctrl key again after that to release it's sort of stuck state, but, this has worked for me for a while now, across various host operating systems.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
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On 2016-10-24 3:41 PM, J.G wrote:

Hi,


I tried a VB and found next accessibility failure: screen readers can not locate or see objects, in VMs so I can not locate an installation folder of OS and I can not begin a proces of installing an operating system into chosen VM.


Now I'm trying VM ware.


Thanks.


Jožef



Re: which is the most accessible virtual machine

Jacob Kruger
 

Trick with VMWare player to start installation from something like an .iso image is ctrl + N keystroke - actually busy with a vinux test installation inside a VMWare machine right now.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
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"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-10-24 3:41 PM, J.G wrote:

Hi,


I tried a VB and found next accessibility failure: screen readers can not locate or see objects, in VMs so I can not locate an installation folder of OS and I can not begin a proces of installing an operating system into chosen VM.


Now I'm trying VM ware.


Thanks.


Jožef



Re: which is the most accessible virtual machine

J.G
 

Hi,


I tried a VB and found next accessibility failure: screen readers can not locate or see objects, in VMs so I can not locate an installation folder of OS and I can not begin a proces of installing an operating system into chosen VM.


Now I'm trying VM ware.


Thanks.


Jožef


Re: problem reading text file

Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...>
 

Hi Brian,

Yesterday I installed notepad++. I'm going to try it out.
I have a question. The other day I saw a message that gave a link to scripts on the webbie.org.uk web site. Do you know anything about this? Thanks for any help.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 4:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem reading text file

Yes bit it is then converted into word format. I do suspect the more recent
notepad has some issues of its own.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem reading text file


Hi Brian,

What I did was copy and paste the info into word 2013 and it read the whole file.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 5:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem reading text file

No it even does this if the screensave is off from what I've found. It might
be a nice thing to see if one imports the exe notepad file from xp to 10 and
run it from another place to see if it still does it. Certainly Wordpad from
XP seems to be better than the 10 native one as I've tried it.For one
thing, no ribbon menus....
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem reading text file


hi.
you should find screen saver and set it to none.
i dont know about windows ten, because i use xp but you can find
screen saver and set it to none to use say all in every places.

On 10/22/16, John Sanfilippo <johnsanfilippo@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi,

I think I recall something like this. Can you manually read thru the
entire file?

I never tried solving this and haven't seen it often.

John S



On 10/22/16 10:27, Gary Metzler wrote:
Hi All,

I get my church bulletin sent to me in a e mail attachment. It opens up
in notepad. When I use the say all command it doesn’t read the whole
file. I start window eyes and it reads fine. Also I tried putting it
into ms word and it reads fine. I made sure that the window was
maximized. I am using the latest nvda and win 10. Has anyone else seen
this? Thanks for any help. Regards, Gary kn4ox



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Re: Focus changes sometimes not tracked immediately

Christopher Bartlett
 

Yes, I experience this semi-regularly, particularly in Firefox, where I often have to alt-tab away and back to get pages to work.

Chris Bartlett


On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 7:05 AM, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to ask if anyone else is also experiencing the following phenomenon:
Sometimes when alt+tabbing to another application or when another application opens and gets focus, this is not immediately announced. NVDA+t will speak something else such as "Explorer" or "Program Manager". When I then hit tab, focus is again tracked and announced.
Is this a known issue? I couldn't find anything related on Github but I thought I'd ask around if others are running into it.
Kind regards,
Felix




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Re: which is the most accessible virtual machine

Jacob Kruger
 

VMWare is the one I work with.


Jacob Kruger
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On 2016-10-24 12:54 PM, J.G wrote:

Hi,


which virtual machine do you preferre or which virtual machine is the most accessible? about a year ago I tried to use Virtual Box, but I found some problems due to QT GUI which is used by VB. I need this tools to create some testing platforms where I can test accessibility of other applications and programs on various operating systems.


Thanks, Jožef


p.s. Sorry if this topic was already discussed on this list. When I searched it I did not found.



Re: which is the most accessible virtual machine

J.G
 

Yes, I searched for virtualisation programs. excuse me for choosing a wrong word.


Thanks.


Focus changes sometimes not tracked immediately

Felix G.
 

Hello,
I'd like to ask if anyone else is also experiencing the following phenomenon:
Sometimes when alt+tabbing to another application or when another application opens and gets focus, this is not immediately announced. NVDA+t will speak something else such as "Explorer" or "Program Manager". When I then hit tab, focus is again tracked and announced.
Is this a known issue? I couldn't find anything related on Github but I thought I'd ask around if others are running into it.
Kind regards,
Felix


Re: which is the most accessible virtual machine

Salva Doménech Miguel <kibayasd@...>
 

Hi.
I think that you’re looking for virtualization programs.
I use VMWare Workstation in Windows and VMWare Fusion in mac, and I recomend it, but Virtualbox the last year has been inproved. Test first virtualbox and then, if you don’t like, VMWare.
Cheers.

El 24 oct 2016, a las 12:54, J.G <jozko.gregorc@...> escribió:

Hi,


which virtual machine do you preferre or which virtual machine is the most accessible? about a year ago I tried to use Virtual Box, but I found some problems due to QT GUI which is used by VB. I need this tools to create some testing platforms where I can test accessibility of other applications and programs on various operating systems.


Thanks, Jožef


p.s. Sorry if this topic was already discussed on this list. When I searched it I did not found.



which is the most accessible virtual machine

J.G
 

Hi,


which virtual machine do you preferre or which virtual machine is the most accessible? about a year ago I tried to use Virtual Box, but I found some problems due to QT GUI which is used by VB. I need this tools to create some testing platforms where I can test accessibility of other applications and programs on various operating systems.


Thanks, Jožef


p.s. Sorry if this topic was already discussed on this list. When I searched it I did not found.


Re: NVDA 2016.3 AND MS EXCEL 2010

Jacques <lists4js@...>
 

Okay fine, I accept it as such. I always try to look at the very basics before coming to a conclusion that there's a serious bug. In this situation the maximise state of the window clearly makes no difference.


Jacques

On Monday, 24 October 2016 10:42, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
It makes no difference whatsoever. Something changed after the 2010
office suite and now the older ones do seem to exhibit some odd
behaviour, like having a broowse mode under certain conditions which
should not bbe there. I guess its some kind of detection of the wrong
app, ie it thinks its wrd?

Can anyone raise this as an issue on github. I use the software so
rarely that it does not seem too much of a problem.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacques" <lists4js@runbox.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 6:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.3 AND MS EXCEL 2010


Heaven, perhaps something very elementary which you already have
looked at, but is the Excel window maximised? This will of course have
no influence on the browse mode being activated, but perhaps on the
double reading of cell content?


Jacques

On Monday, 24 October 2016 07:07, Heaven Botma wrote:
Hi

You are right about the F2 key. It only recently started this annoying
behaviour.

Another problem I have found in Ms Excel 2010 is that, when I read the
cells, NVDA tends to repeat the previous cell's information instead of
reading the current cell.

Regards




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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, 22 October 2016 11:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.3 AND MS EXCEL 2010

I thought from my limited and old knowledge of this app, that f2 got you
into edit and then if you abort esc will come out without entering
browse
mode and of course also not performing changes to the file loaded
either.

I'm not totally sure why the browse mode is used at all in this
program as
its mainly just fields.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.3 AND MS EXCEL 2010


Hi

I think it was mentioned that 2016 does not have this problem, however,
Office 2016 has a different approach to charts which we haven't got
the time
to figure out at this stage.

Thank you for your assistance, I'll definitely look into it.

Kind regards



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-----Original Message-----
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Brian's
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Sent: Friday, 21 October 2016 12:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.3 AND MS EXCEL 2010

Its all versions before 2013 I think though I've only tried the one
mentioned and 2002 thus far and both have this issue on the release
version
but not on the master snap.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.3 AND MS EXCEL 2010


Hi Heaven, I am unable to duplicate this with NVDA 2016.3 and Excel
2016.
Could be specific to 2010, perhaps?


Jacques

On Friday, 21 October 2016 10:10, Heaven Botma wrote:
Hi Group



Ever since we upgraded to NVDA 2016.3, we have been experiencing a
strange bug in Ms Excel 2010.



When one makes a mistake in Excel, and presses Escape to exit the cell
(which, with every other version of NVDA simply exited the edit
mode an
brought one back to the cell as it previously appeared), one finds
that
NVDA automatically decides that one would like to be in browse
mode. To
clarify this, if I type a 0 by accident in Excel, and escape that cell
and try to type again NVDA tells me that the specific letter or number
is not available in this type of document. To solve this problem,
it is
necessary for me to do one of 2 things:



1. Close Excel and start all over again.

or

2. Press Insert+Space to exit browse mode.



The chanses of my students or I using Browse mode in Excel are very
low
and it is not necessary for NVDA to assume that escape means I want to
start using browse mode for some strange reason.



We will be able to go back to NVDA 2016.2.1 in the interim as our
students have limited knowledge about computer and are writing exams
over a fortnight.



Would you please look into this bug as soon as possible as it causes
much frustration.



Kind regards





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Re: Lite version of Outlook.com

 

Yes but the Outlook webmail you're talking about is probably the Exchange one, which is not what I'm primarily using. I do have an Exchange account but never really used it at all.


Re: NVDA 2016.3 AND MS EXCEL 2010

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

It makes no difference whatsoever. Something changed after the 2010 office suite and now the older ones do seem to exhibit some odd behaviour, like having a broowse mode under certain conditions which should not bbe there. I guess its some kind of detection of the wrong app, ie it thinks its wrd?

Can anyone raise this as an issue on github. I use the software so rarely that it does not seem too much of a problem.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacques" <lists4js@runbox.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 6:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.3 AND MS EXCEL 2010


Heaven, perhaps something very elementary which you already have looked at, but is the Excel window maximised? This will of course have no influence on the browse mode being activated, but perhaps on the double reading of cell content?


Jacques

On Monday, 24 October 2016 07:07, Heaven Botma wrote:
Hi

You are right about the F2 key. It only recently started this annoying
behaviour.

Another problem I have found in Ms Excel 2010 is that, when I read the
cells, NVDA tends to repeat the previous cell's information instead of
reading the current cell.

Regards




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-----Original Message-----
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Mail list account
Sent: Saturday, 22 October 2016 11:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.3 AND MS EXCEL 2010

I thought from my limited and old knowledge of this app, that f2 got you
into edit and then if you abort esc will come out without entering browse
mode and of course also not performing changes to the file loaded either.

I'm not totally sure why the browse mode is used at all in this program as
its mainly just fields.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.3 AND MS EXCEL 2010


Hi

I think it was mentioned that 2016 does not have this problem, however,
Office 2016 has a different approach to charts which we haven't got the time
to figure out at this stage.

Thank you for your assistance, I'll definitely look into it.

Kind regards



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-----Original Message-----
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Mail list account
Sent: Friday, 21 October 2016 12:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.3 AND MS EXCEL 2010

Its all versions before 2013 I think though I've only tried the one
mentioned and 2002 thus far and both have this issue on the release version
but not on the master snap.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacques" <lists4js@runbox.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.3 AND MS EXCEL 2010


Hi Heaven, I am unable to duplicate this with NVDA 2016.3 and Excel 2016.
Could be specific to 2010, perhaps?


Jacques

On Friday, 21 October 2016 10:10, Heaven Botma wrote:
Hi Group



Ever since we upgraded to NVDA 2016.3, we have been experiencing a
strange bug in Ms Excel 2010.



When one makes a mistake in Excel, and presses Escape to exit the cell
(which, with every other version of NVDA simply exited the edit mode an
brought one back to the cell as it previously appeared), one finds that
NVDA automatically decides that one would like to be in browse mode. To
clarify this, if I type a 0 by accident in Excel, and escape that cell
and try to type again NVDA tells me that the specific letter or number
is not available in this type of document. To solve this problem, it is
necessary for me to do one of 2 things:



1. Close Excel and start all over again.

or

2. Press Insert+Space to exit browse mode.



The chanses of my students or I using Browse mode in Excel are very low
and it is not necessary for NVDA to assume that escape means I want to
start using browse mode for some strange reason.



We will be able to go back to NVDA 2016.2.1 in the interim as our
students have limited knowledge about computer and are writing exams
over a fortnight.



Would you please look into this bug as soon as possible as it causes
much frustration.



Kind regards





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Re: Lite version of Outlook.com

Salva Doménech Miguel <kibayasd@...>
 

Hi.
I’m not following this tread since you started, but, if I’ve understood good there’s a lite version of Outlook’s Webmail?
Cheers

El 24 oct 2016, a las 10:36, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> escribió:

Not as simple then as cutting and pasting the address from ie8 to another browser I suppose?
These bits of silliness are why I still use email clients not web based email, though the fact that to use webmail means putting your address book online comes a close second.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Supanut Leepaisomboon" <supanut2000@outlook.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Lite version of Outlook.com


I saw the check box but it is disabled, below it there's a message saying that it isn't available for Outlook.com, which is strange because the lite version was able to be used when I used IE8 on my XP virtual machine.

This leaves me with 2 options. Either switch to Thunderbird, or try in any way I could to trick Outlook.com into thinking that I'm using IE8, I.E user agent spoofing in Firefox which worked as there's an add on for that, but it's global, which is not what I want as I want the spoofing to occur on Outlook.com only and not everywhere.

I did sent Microsoft a feedback regarding this, but so far they didn't seem to be doing anything about the accessibility issues with the new Outlook.com.




Re: problem reading text file

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Yes bit it is then converted into word format. I do suspect the more recent notepad has some issues of its own.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Metzler " <gmtravel@bellsouth.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem reading text file


Hi Brian,

What I did was copy and paste the info into word 2013 and it read the whole file.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 5:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem reading text file

No it even does this if the screensave is off from what I've found. It might
be a nice thing to see if one imports the exe notepad file from xp to 10 and
run it from another place to see if it still does it. Certainly Wordpad from
XP seems to be better than the 10 native one as I've tried it.For one
thing, no ribbon menus....
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem reading text file


hi.
you should find screen saver and set it to none.
i dont know about windows ten, because i use xp but you can find
screen saver and set it to none to use say all in every places.

On 10/22/16, John Sanfilippo <johnsanfilippo@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi,

I think I recall something like this. Can you manually read thru the
entire file?

I never tried solving this and haven't seen it often.

John S



On 10/22/16 10:27, Gary Metzler wrote:
Hi All,

I get my church bulletin sent to me in a e mail attachment. It opens up
in notepad. When I use the say all command it doesn’t read the whole
file. I start window eyes and it reads fine. Also I tried putting it
into ms word and it reads fine. I made sure that the window was
maximized. I am using the latest nvda and win 10. Has anyone else seen
this? Thanks for any help. Regards, Gary kn4ox



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Re: Lite version of Outlook.com

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Not as simple then as cutting and pasting the address from ie8 to another browser I suppose?
These bits of silliness are why I still use email clients not web based email, though the fact that to use webmail means putting your address book online comes a close second.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Supanut Leepaisomboon" <supanut2000@outlook.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Lite version of Outlook.com


I saw the check box but it is disabled, below it there's a message saying that it isn't available for Outlook.com, which is strange because the lite version was able to be used when I used IE8 on my XP virtual machine.

This leaves me with 2 options. Either switch to Thunderbird, or try in any way I could to trick Outlook.com into thinking that I'm using IE8, I.E user agent spoofing in Firefox which worked as there's an add on for that, but it's global, which is not what I want as I want the spoofing to occur on Outlook.com only and not everywhere.

I did sent Microsoft a feedback regarding this, but so far they didn't seem to be doing anything about the accessibility issues with the new Outlook.com.


Re: NVDA 2016.3 AND MS EXCEL 2010

Jacques <lists4js@...>
 

Heaven, perhaps something very elementary which you already have looked at, but is the Excel window maximised? This will of course have no influence on the browse mode being activated, but perhaps on the double reading of cell content?


Jacques

On Monday, 24 October 2016 07:07, Heaven Botma wrote:
Hi

You are right about the F2 key. It only recently started this annoying
behaviour.

Another problem I have found in Ms Excel 2010 is that, when I read the
cells, NVDA tends to repeat the previous cell's information instead of
reading the current cell.

Regards




Heaven Botma
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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
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Sent: Saturday, 22 October 2016 11:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.3 AND MS EXCEL 2010

I thought from my limited and old knowledge of this app, that f2 got you
into edit and then if you abort esc will come out without entering browse
mode and of course also not performing changes to the file loaded either.

I'm not totally sure why the browse mode is used at all in this program as
its mainly just fields.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Heaven Botma" <heaven@training-kaleidoscopesa.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.3 AND MS EXCEL 2010


Hi

I think it was mentioned that 2016 does not have this problem, however,
Office 2016 has a different approach to charts which we haven't got the time
to figure out at this stage.

Thank you for your assistance, I'll definitely look into it.

Kind regards



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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, 21 October 2016 12:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.3 AND MS EXCEL 2010

Its all versions before 2013 I think though I've only tried the one
mentioned and 2002 thus far and both have this issue on the release version
but not on the master snap.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacques" <lists4js@runbox.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.3 AND MS EXCEL 2010


Hi Heaven, I am unable to duplicate this with NVDA 2016.3 and Excel 2016.
Could be specific to 2010, perhaps?


Jacques

On Friday, 21 October 2016 10:10, Heaven Botma wrote:
Hi Group



Ever since we upgraded to NVDA 2016.3, we have been experiencing a
strange bug in Ms Excel 2010.



When one makes a mistake in Excel, and presses Escape to exit the cell
(which, with every other version of NVDA simply exited the edit mode an
brought one back to the cell as it previously appeared), one finds that
NVDA automatically decides that one would like to be in browse mode. To
clarify this, if I type a 0 by accident in Excel, and escape that cell
and try to type again NVDA tells me that the specific letter or number
is not available in this type of document. To solve this problem, it is
necessary for me to do one of 2 things:



1. Close Excel and start all over again.

or

2. Press Insert+Space to exit browse mode.



The chanses of my students or I using Browse mode in Excel are very low
and it is not necessary for NVDA to assume that escape means I want to
start using browse mode for some strange reason.



We will be able to go back to NVDA 2016.2.1 in the interim as our
students have limited knowledge about computer and are writing exams
over a fortnight.



Would you please look into this bug as soon as possible as it causes
much frustration.



Kind regards





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Re: NVDA 2016.3 AND MS EXCEL 2010

Heaven Botma <heaven@...>
 

Hi

You are right about the F2 key. It only recently started this annoying
behaviour.

Another problem I have found in Ms Excel 2010 is that, when I read the
cells, NVDA tends to repeat the previous cell's information instead of
reading the current cell.

Regards




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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account
Sent: Saturday, 22 October 2016 11:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.3 AND MS EXCEL 2010

I thought from my limited and old knowledge of this app, that f2 got you
into edit and then if you abort esc will come out without entering browse
mode and of course also not performing changes to the file loaded either.

I'm not totally sure why the browse mode is used at all in this program as
its mainly just fields.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Heaven Botma" <heaven@training-kaleidoscopesa.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.3 AND MS EXCEL 2010


Hi

I think it was mentioned that 2016 does not have this problem, however,
Office 2016 has a different approach to charts which we haven't got the time
to figure out at this stage.

Thank you for your assistance, I'll definitely look into it.

Kind regards



Heaven Botma
Dosent: Kaleidoskoop Opleidingskollege
Lecturer: Kaleidoscope Training College

T: 023 348 7634
C: 063 692 2573
F: 023 348 7633
E: heaven@training-kaleidoscopesa.org
W: www.kaleidoscopesa.org
Adderleystraat 20 Adderley Street
Posbus 233 P.O. Box, Worcester, 6849








-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account
Sent: Friday, 21 October 2016 12:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.3 AND MS EXCEL 2010

Its all versions before 2013 I think though I've only tried the one
mentioned and 2002 thus far and both have this issue on the release version
but not on the master snap.
Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacques" <lists4js@runbox.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.3 AND MS EXCEL 2010


Hi Heaven, I am unable to duplicate this with NVDA 2016.3 and Excel 2016.
Could be specific to 2010, perhaps?


Jacques

On Friday, 21 October 2016 10:10, Heaven Botma wrote:
Hi Group



Ever since we upgraded to NVDA 2016.3, we have been experiencing a
strange bug in Ms Excel 2010.



When one makes a mistake in Excel, and presses Escape to exit the cell
(which, with every other version of NVDA simply exited the edit mode an
brought one back to the cell as it previously appeared), one finds that
NVDA automatically decides that one would like to be in browse mode. To
clarify this, if I type a 0 by accident in Excel, and escape that cell
and try to type again NVDA tells me that the specific letter or number
is not available in this type of document. To solve this problem, it is
necessary for me to do one of 2 things:



1. Close Excel and start all over again.

or

2. Press Insert+Space to exit browse mode.



The chanses of my students or I using Browse mode in Excel are very low
and it is not necessary for NVDA to assume that escape means I want to
start using browse mode for some strange reason.



We will be able to go back to NVDA 2016.2.1 in the interim as our
students have limited knowledge about computer and are writing exams
over a fortnight.



Would you please look into this bug as soon as possible as it causes
much frustration.



Kind regards





kaleidoscope logo


*Heaven Botma***

*Dosent: Kaleidoskoop Opleidingskollege*

*Lecturer: Kaleidoscope Training College*



T: 023 348 7634

C: 063 692 2573

F: 023 348 7633

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<mailto:heaven@training-kaleidoscopesa.org>

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Re: Lite version of Outlook.com

 

When I went into the general setting > lite version I can't even tick the check box; as the check box appears to have been disabled.

I don't know why Microsoft would force people on a modern browser to use the full version; Google's Gmail offers a basic version on all browsers, even on modern ones. And abandoning Outlook.com entirely is not an option as I have to maintain my Office365 subscription. But using Thunderbird, however, is a possibility, the only downside is that it doesn't sync the addressbook with Outlook.com and as of yet I still don't know how to do that in Thunderbird.


Re: screamer radio

Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...>
 

Thanks for the link.

-----Original Message-----
From: Георги Ламбов
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 2:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] screamer radio

Hi!

Here you are:


accessibilitycentral.net/NVDA%20addons.html


There are many add-ons there and if the link don't belong to searched
add-on, visit the webSite alone.
Georgi
На 23.10.2016 г. в 19:02 ч., Gary Metzler написа:
Where can I get the tappen radio add on? Thanks,

-----Original Message----- From: Michael Capelle
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 9:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] screamer radio

i prefer tappin radio, plus there is an NVDA add on for it.

-----Original Message----- From: Георги Ламбов
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 7:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] screamer radio

Hi group!

I've just tried the new version of screamer radio, which is: 0.9. I've
downloaded the portable one. My impression is, it's isn't quite
accessible with screen readers. I tried it with NvdA. Has anyone worked
with this program and can anyone says somethings more about the program
when possible step by step? On the instruction I've read that hotKeys
also are supporrted but probbably the screen readers don't read all from
the menus, so I couldn't find hotKeys. Thanks in advance.

Georgi