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Re: NVDA 2019.3 released

 

hi quentin.
i am very glad about this news!
while the best version for me as i always mentioned is 2017.2, but i
became very delighted to hear the news and wanted to appreciate you as
always!
i never forget praying for you, God bless you and His infinite mercy i
pray for you!

On 2/10/20, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Hi everyone,

NV Access is very pleased to present the long awaited next installment of
the world's most popular screen reader: NVDA 2019.3!

NVDA 2019.3 is a very significant release containing many under-the-hood
changes including the upgrade of Python 2 to Python 3, and a major re-write
of NVDA’s speech subsystem. Although these changes do break compatibility
with older NVDA add-ons, the upgrade to Python 3 is necessary for security,
and the changes to speech allow for some exciting innovations in the near
future.

Other highlights in this release include 64 bit support for Java VMs,
Screen Curtain and Focus Highlight functionality, support for more braille
displays and a new Braille viewer, and many many other bug fixes.

Please note, after updating any software, it is a good idea to restart the
computer. Restart by going to the Shutdown dialog, selecting “restart” and
pressing ENTER. Updating software can change files which are in use. This
can lead to instability and strange behaviour which is resolved by
rebooting. This is the first thing to try if you do notice anything odd
after updating.

To read the full release, and download NVDA, please see the announcement
at: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3-released/

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/

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python3 compatability list

 

Hi.

Could the link for the python 3 compatability list be either merged or added to the main addon website index please?

Also, where stuff says work in prograss or not working I am not sure how update the list actually is.

If something is compatible, there should be a download link to the latest version and if its actually completed the addon update on the site should be done.

I am not badgering people as I am sure it will be done.

I am amazed how many addons are actually compatible.

Some like jgt are just minted some like teamtalk while I didn't find them immediately I did find the addons on their homepages and updated.

On that note, dug lee it may be a good idea to make sure the dev of teamtalk has the right addon on his site both in portable versions and on his ftp.


update on the message I posted

 

The teamtalk is on dlee and I have the latest update now.


new nvda 2019.3 addon compatability update list

 

Hi.

I know some of these are compatible now or in rout.

Firstly, all the addons by nick stockton like ifinterpritors are not compatible.

if you search for nick stockton nvda addons you will find the github repo with all the repos in it.

Some of these are usefull.

Dropbox.

I know there is a version, its not on the addons website though, its link needs updating.

Image describer.

Its status is unknown right now.

Emoteicons and report simbols.

I think versions exist for this they just are not on the website.

Teamtalk.

I am not sure if I have the compatible one or not is that on dlee.org allready and the website if not this needs updating.

The espeak ng synth seems a bit abbrupt with any d or t simbol sounds like its double.

Its a minor data issue and could probably get used to.

WIndows defender is not throwing a wobly though which is good.


NVDA 2019.3 released

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

NV Access is very pleased to present the long awaited next installment of the world's most popular screen reader:  NVDA 2019.3!

NVDA 2019.3 is a very significant release containing many under-the-hood changes including the upgrade of Python 2 to Python 3, and a major re-write of NVDA’s speech subsystem. Although these changes do break compatibility with older NVDA add-ons, the upgrade to Python 3 is necessary for security, and the changes to speech allow for some exciting innovations in the near future.

Other highlights in this release include 64 bit support for Java VMs, Screen Curtain and Focus Highlight functionality, support for more braille displays and a new Braille viewer, and many many other bug fixes.

Please note, after updating any software, it is a good idea to restart the computer. Restart by going to the Shutdown dialog, selecting “restart” and pressing ENTER. Updating software can change files which are in use. This can lead to instability and strange behaviour which is resolved by rebooting. This is the first thing to try if you do notice anything odd after updating.

To read the full release, and download NVDA, please see the announcement at: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3-released/

Kind regards

Quentin.

-- 
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



Re: braille me and brltty

Josh Kennedy
 

HI sara, brltty is not an addon. It comes built into NVDA as a braille display driver and it supports the $500 braille me from atguys. Or its supposed to anyway. 

Josh


Re: Accessible text expantion tools.

William Wong
 

Of course there is a free, open source option, Autohotkey.

Or else you can use Lintalist.

They both have resources on the web to teach you how to set up.

Ali Colak 於 16/1/2020 19:18 寫道:

Hello everyone,
Are their any text expantion tools accessible with NVDA? I've just
tried one called Phraise express, and while it is somewhat usable it
is not completely accessible. I know of some more options but I
thought I'd ask if anyone here had something to recommend.

Thanks
ALi


Re: Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

 

i dont use cloud.
but security programs are not compatible with my system, makes various
problems, even i cant use my gmail!
i never trust and use them.
i sent my email again for you and i am waiting for your response and
chatting with you.
God bless you all!

On 2/10/20, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
Hmmm again not a good idea to not use security at all unless you purely
use the cloud or something.

I never recieved any email from you though.



On 9/02/2020 9:29 pm, zahra wrote:
but i realy dont trust any security program and never use them.
i am waiting for your email, but did not recieve your reply.
did you recieve my email in the first days of new year?

On 2/9/20, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
Hmmm I would really like some sort of antivirus/antimalware program that
you could add an exclude list to, and freely share it about.

In the list I would like:

1. the name of the file and where it came from, and also a reason why I
excluded it.

I would also like the program to scan all my excludes and then send the
files to various companies etc after testing them with say virustotal
and such and have them fixed in the rightt databases.

I'd actually like a virustotal protection and on demand scanner but
thats probably not possible.

There are various talking winpe disks about.

The easiest way to make the thing work for linux would to use something
ubuntu mate which is easy to use or something like grml/ debian in
command mode.

I've not actually managed to get many distros work out of the box.



On 9/02/2020 1:13 am, coffeekingms@... wrote:
Hi

I want to weigh in hear, a bit. I’m no security expert, at all, but I
see a couple of possible options hear. Are there any compatible ISO
images that can be put on a USB flash drive, windows and Linux, that
can be used to scan a drive, backup drives, etc for malware and remove
any that is found? Since we’re talking about exclusions, a way to
exclude false positives, and remove the negatives? I know virus
detection is complicated, and I don’t presume to have a perfect
solution, but it’s an option. Have whatever security software you
like, whichever works, but have a backup, that is separate from your
computer, so if gets infected by something nasty, you can boot
something self contained to work with. The images would have to be
accessible out of the box, without any setup needed, and I’m not sure
anything exists. I know for Linux there’s kali, bt I believe that’s
for penetration testing and the like. If not, I’d be happy to try to
put something together, if anyone is interested. Again, I’m not an
expert, and I’m not even sure how to do this but I’d be willing to
try. I’m not sure about the windows licensing and such, so it might
not be possible to put a windows based one together, but Linux is
another story. I’m not advocating Linux, but … oh hell. I don’t want
to start a flame war. Another option is to have backup software on a
flash drive that can run from a flash drive, but you’d need a
functioning system to run it.

Thanks

Kendell Clark

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *Shaun Everiss <mailto:@smeveriss>
*Sent: *Saturday, February 8, 2020 3:59 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

Using no security at all is dumb and stupid.

You should always have some of it.

A false negative means you get a virus and loose stuff.

Thats happened to one of my cousins ironically because he forgot to
update his norton subscription and he lost a lot of stuff, he had to
reformat to make the problem go away.

He couldn't do that himself and had to take the pc to somewhere to get
it fixed, it cost him a lot of cash.

While I am not against using security software in general I am
dissapointed and disheartened at the reasonable amount of noise in the
scans.

I know what the false positives are and what they are but unless I make
exclude lists for my software things will just get destroyed by the
software, don't use it and its worse.

But it depends what you do.

If you just use windows store apps, email via google, etc, chances are
you will be probably fine especially if everything is done in the cloud
as there is some protection there but its not perfect.


I wouldn't go about bragging you do not use security software as it is
very dangerous.

At the same time, it does concern me that every update of the so called
databases there is a chance that something else will be added to my
noisy scan data.

This means I need to lower my security by excluding things.

I do not at any way shape or form feel good about this but what else
can
I do.

And I far better be complaining about false alarms than getting a
virus,
I just wish things would get easier.

Something changed in the year 2003 which started us down the road of
the
security nightmare we are on now.

At first, a few programs, but by 2007 we were seeing noisier and
noisier
data and by 2012 it was really bad.

Since 2015 its plattoed at a point not going up or down which I guess
is
good, however I'd like it to go back to normal.

I shouldn't get any message from my security software unless I have a
virus and can decide on the action.

Instead I get told I have a virus which is either something new, old or
that has been working before.

Instead of running malwarebytes which I no longer have installed on any
of my systems and full scanns of windows security or others, I don't
scan at all bar a quick scan or so which is done automatically.

Back in the day I would regular do this.

But now my system is infested with a lot of viruses and I know that all
of them are false positives and they never change so I don't upgrade or
anything.

Well I don't use a thirdparty scanner, put it that way.

I started with sophos but it made sure to make all the viruses go away
screwing up my system.

It took me a great deal to reinstall windows from scratch and get
everything back.

The meaning of security software is to at least be a guide to security.

I am more insecure with security software so I have to force it to
behave.

At the same time I wouldn't go without it.

All those ransomware attacks, botnets and malwarebreaches are worse
than
any false positive.

Yet I really wish they would stop.

I manage a blog and a server on wordpress and do use security software.

And I havn't lost anything that wasn't supposed to be a problem, all my
files are there, no problem.

Yet in user computers companies think they can just do what they want.






On 8/02/2020 10:05 pm, zahra wrote:
false positive and false negative, are two of the main factors that i
never trust and never use security programs, antivirus, antimalware,
etc.
not sure about firewalls, but i never used and i am not familiar with
there method and the level of there reliability.
in the previous weeks, maybe in the first days of new year, i sent an
ofline email for you,
but unfortunately i did not recieve your reply and i am waiting for
your answer!
God bless you and thanks so much for your helpful replies as always.

On 2/8/20, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
Just about every antimalware program has this false positive.

Kaspersky and a few others are supposed to be better.

Anyway what I actually said was that these programs at least some of
them detect more false than well who knows.

I have never got a virus in the last 10 years but I have got a lot of
false alarms.

Not sure about win8 etc, but yes you can exclude stuff you know is
not a
problem.

It would be good actually if you excluded the file you could report
all
your excluded files to the maker like microsoft and for each you
could
state what it was, etc and maybe get support on it.

The issue I have and maybe others, is that while some of the stuff we
know about, I spend more time stopping false alarms than actual
viruses.
I am not sure if thats a good or bad thing but its certainly stopped
me
from getting any serious security software.

If windows defender and malwarebytes cause this much trouble with a
false positive, then I really don't want to know what a really good
antivirus will say.

But basically everything on your system is a potential virus
depending
on the detections and stuff used.

And with the cloud based ai, I doubt that at the automated level
there
is much control.

If you tell them they will fix the issue but there is no reason to
think
it will stay fixed.

As a result all the false alarms make the display of the software
noisy.
As I said, right now I have so many security holes in my computer
caused
by so many folder excludes that if it wasn't for ransomware, I have
half
a mind to exclude my entire hard drive or even disable the windows
security subsystem.

However there is always the if factor so I don't.

I havn't run any full system scans in the last 10 years, and I havn't
run any malware software in the last 5 years simply because of this
issue.
With the so called inteligent stuff about bgt and maybe some older
software excluded, it seems that every software package needs a
security
certification id or something and while it would be nice to get one,
I
do wander if I could get one myself for the purpose that the software
I
have is not a problem or something.

I know some say I am just unlucky, but on all my other systems with
out
blind games, blind software and blind accessible programs there are
no
trogens at all and that in itself is a concern, no excludes on any
of my
other systems yet.

Maybe I may exclude nvda just because I am concerned but still, maybe
I
have over excluded because of all this going on.


On 8/02/2020 7:18 pm, zahra wrote:
Shaun,
did i understand it correctly?
i think that antivirus programs especially microsoft products,
scan the entire system and maybe remove our necessary and important
files even maybe nvda or even other files including html, docx,
audio
and video files?
i remember that in one of the iranian websites,
someone recorded a tutorial which explained how to exclude our
desired
folders from scanning by deffender.
his tutorial was for windows ten.
does windows deffender on windows 8 and 8.1 does the same things,
and
it may removes our essential and important files without worning or
informing us about this matter?

On 2/8/20, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
Yeah some of that software uses autoit and that is known to make
viruses.

At any rate its clunkey and slow as a language so I wouldn't bother
using programs written in it but you should be able to exclude
things.
Yeah when microsoft security etc cleans things it turns user
account
control on at 33% by default.



On 8/02/2020 3:41 am, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Quenton,

In addition, I always have Defender set to update to the latest
version. I have had odd issues with it in the past. If you are
familiar with Steve's Clock, Defender flagged that consistently.
Even
after I allowed it under Defender settings, every time Windows
updates, it flags it again. I had to go into the settings and
manually exempt the Steve's clock folder from Defender scans. Even
then, it always brings up User Account Control when I run it. It
never comes up in start up--even though I have it set to run at
start
up. I have reported this to both the program developer and
Microsoft
with no change. I am glad that this isn't happening with NVDA
on my
system.


On 2/7/2020 1:00 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I believe this only affects Windows 10 at this stage? Perhaps
Rosemarie and Ron are using Windows 7? Or their Defender hasn't
updated to the latest definitions maybe?

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 4:30 PM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...
<mailto:aa2vm@...>> wrote:

Hi Group,

I also do not have this issue with RC3.


On 2/7/2020 12:28 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Quentin,

I'm not having this problem on my system. I'm using
espeak but I
wonder if I should use something else just to be on the
safe
side.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Quentin
Christensen
*Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 8:14 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

Hi folks,

It was NVDARemote the other week, now it seems it's our
turn for
Microsoft's random unfounded accusations. If you try to
install
the release candidate of NVDA 2019.3, Windows Defender
will
alert you it has found a trojan in eSpeak NG and blocked
it.
The install of NVDA will fail.

As a workaround for now, you can create a portable copy
of the
RC and that should run fine. You won't be able to use
eSpeak
NG.

NVDA 2019.2.1 installs and runs fine, even using eSpeak
NG (it
uses a different build of eSpeak NG).

I am not sure whether this affects Windows 7 users as
well. I
have reported it to Microsoft but I would encourage
everyone
else to as well. To be honest, even aside from it being
our
program affected, this really annoys me. Defender has
NOT found
a trojan in eSpeak, its heuristic (machine learning) has
guessed
that it looks a bit suspicious and flagged it - Ok that
happens,
but say that, don't say absolutely that a known malicious
software has been found.

It took a day or so to fix Defender's virus list and have
NVDARemote cleared, so I expect it will probably be
within about
the same timeline this time around. Apologies for the
inconvenience.

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/
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NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:
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Re: update on my keys loosing control.

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yep. Did that and it would work for all of maybe 5 minutes, then get software stuck. I even tried this with narrator on, and when I quit the programs I was running. I had to hold the left control for about 5 seconds and then the problem would go away, until ...

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On 9 Feb 2020, at 23:01, John Isige wrote:

You've tried holding down the six modifier keys for a few seconds? Both
shifts, alts, and controls. That doesn't always work but it sometimes
does. This used to happen to me occasionally and I never did figure it
out, but it's mostly quit. This was pre-1909 too. If you're on something
like a Surface, which lacks a right control, just hold whatever you've
got available.


On 2/10/2020 0:28, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Yep, it effected all keyboards hooked up even a USB one I have. So
this is a windows issue I believe.

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On 9 Feb 2020, at 21:06, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi


Did you try another keyboard?


We had a netbook that started going weird with the keyboard. we
plugged in another keyboard and disabled the one on the lap top or
did it swap across.

Things went fine until we unplugged it and the problems started again.


it ended up we had to replace the keyboard on the lap top but was
lucky a friend did it for us which I think was 40 bucks or so and
if at a shop extra to install it.


Some times on the lap top keyboards crumbs etc if eating near it
will jam keys etc so run like a vacuum hose or some thing like
that to try and suck it up or even turn the laptop so the keyboard
is facing down and give the lap top a couple of wacks to try and
loosen the crumbs etc but do not drop it when doing it.


Gene nz



On 10/02/2020 3:33 pm, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Hello to all. I'm really starting to get frustrated here. I
was just minding my own business and NVDA decided to lose
control. so did narrator. I hve no clue if this is a windows
issue, but it did start with 1909 last year and now happens
every 30 or so seconds or when it wants to. I remember
discussion on the list about this some months ago. and a
solution never was come up wiht. A restart is not working ehre
as it will just happen out of the blue even when my system is
not busy. Here is the log I managed to gather. I hear braille
tethered to focus btw when I try and check the title. I think
the control key might be getting stuck but I have no clue how
to software unstick it. I tried tapping it and no release. it
will just happen at random. Here is my log.


INFO - __main__ (18:05:47.444):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.887):
Config dir: C:\Users\Sarah\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (18:05:48.887):
Loading config: C:\Users\Sarah\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
NVDA version 2019.2.1
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using Windows version 10.0.18363 workstation
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using Python version 2.7.16 (v2.7.16:413a49145e, Mar  4 2019,
01:30:55) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using comtypes version 1.1.7
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (18:05:49.750):
Loaded synthDriver oneCore
INFO - core.main (18:05:49.750):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (18:05:49.752):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (18:05:49.753):
Using liblouis version 3.10.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (18:05:49.756):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0
cells.
WARNING - core.main (18:05:49.801):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (18:05:49.812):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6
INFO - external:globalPlugins.translate.GlobalPlugin.__init__
(18:05:54.545):
Translate module initialized, translating to en
INFO - core.main (18:05:54.931):
NVDA initialized
INFO - __main__ (18:05:47.444):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.887):
Config dir: C:\Users\Sarah\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (18:05:48.887):
Loading config: C:\Users\Sarah\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
NVDA version 2019.2.1
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using Windows version 10.0.18363 workstation
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using Python version 2.7.16 (v2.7.16:413a49145e, Mar  4 2019,
01:30:55) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using comtypes version 1.1.7
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (18:05:49.750):
Loaded synthDriver oneCore
INFO - core.main (18:05:49.750):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (18:05:49.752):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (18:05:49.753):
Using liblouis version 3.10.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (18:05:49.756):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0
cells.
WARNING - core.main (18:05:49.801):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (18:05:49.812):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6
INFO - external:globalPlugins.translate.GlobalPlugin.__init__
(18:05:54.545):
Translate module initialized, translating to en
INFO - core.main (18:05:54.931):
NVDA initialized
             so is there a way I can fix this? It is driving
me nuts. I hold the control key for about 15 seconds, it
works, then as soon as I try and do something it gets stuck.
In fact it took me about 20 minutes to write this as the
control key keyt sticking. I did disable updates as a test and
it still got stuck, and the only windows update was a security
one for  the scanner.


Please help?




Re: update on my keys loosing control.

John Isige
 

You've tried holding down the six modifier keys for a few seconds? Both
shifts, alts, and controls. That doesn't always work but it sometimes
does. This used to happen to me occasionally and I never did figure it
out, but it's mostly quit. This was pre-1909 too. If you're on something
like a Surface, which lacks a right control, just hold whatever you've
got available.

On 2/10/2020 0:28, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Yep, it effected all keyboards hooked up even a USB one I have. So
this is a windows issue I believe.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.
<http://www.tffppodcast.com> This is also our libsyn page as well.

to subscribe to the feed click here <http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp>

Our telegram <https://t.me/tffppodcast> channel is also a good place
for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our discord <https://discord.gg/dfr7MaVK> is where you will know when
we go live on [twitch.](twitch.tv/ke7zum] Feel free to give the
channel a follow and see what is up there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here
<Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast>

On 9 Feb 2020, at 21:06, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi


Did you try another keyboard?


We had a netbook that started going weird with the keyboard. we
plugged in another keyboard and disabled the one on the lap top or
did it swap across.

Things went fine until we unplugged it and the problems started again.


it ended up we had to replace the keyboard on the lap top but was
lucky a friend did it for us which I think was 40 bucks or so and
if at a shop extra to install it.


Some times on the lap top keyboards crumbs etc if eating near it
will jam keys etc so run like a vacuum hose or some thing like
that to try and suck it up or even turn the laptop so the keyboard
is facing down and give the lap top a couple of wacks to try and
loosen the crumbs etc but do not drop it when doing it.


Gene nz



On 10/02/2020 3:33 pm, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Hello to all. I'm really starting to get frustrated here. I
was just minding my own business and NVDA decided to lose
control. so did narrator. I hve no clue if this is a windows
issue, but it did start with 1909 last year and now happens
every 30 or so seconds or when it wants to. I remember
discussion on the list about this some months ago. and a
solution never was come up wiht. A restart is not working ehre
as it will just happen out of the blue even when my system is
not busy. Here is the log I managed to gather. I hear braille
tethered to focus btw when I try and check the title. I think
the control key might be getting stuck but I have no clue how
to software unstick it. I tried tapping it and no release. it
will just happen at random. Here is my log.


INFO - __main__ (18:05:47.444):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.887):
Config dir: C:\Users\Sarah\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (18:05:48.887):
Loading config: C:\Users\Sarah\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
NVDA version 2019.2.1
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using Windows version 10.0.18363 workstation
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using Python version 2.7.16 (v2.7.16:413a49145e, Mar  4 2019,
01:30:55) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using comtypes version 1.1.7
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (18:05:49.750):
Loaded synthDriver oneCore
INFO - core.main (18:05:49.750):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (18:05:49.752):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (18:05:49.753):
Using liblouis version 3.10.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (18:05:49.756):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0
cells.
WARNING - core.main (18:05:49.801):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (18:05:49.812):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6
INFO - external:globalPlugins.translate.GlobalPlugin.__init__
(18:05:54.545):
Translate module initialized, translating to en
INFO - core.main (18:05:54.931):
NVDA initialized
INFO - __main__ (18:05:47.444):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.887):
Config dir: C:\Users\Sarah\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (18:05:48.887):
Loading config: C:\Users\Sarah\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
NVDA version 2019.2.1
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using Windows version 10.0.18363 workstation
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using Python version 2.7.16 (v2.7.16:413a49145e, Mar  4 2019,
01:30:55) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using comtypes version 1.1.7
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (18:05:49.750):
Loaded synthDriver oneCore
INFO - core.main (18:05:49.750):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (18:05:49.752):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (18:05:49.753):
Using liblouis version 3.10.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (18:05:49.756):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0
cells.
WARNING - core.main (18:05:49.801):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (18:05:49.812):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6
INFO - external:globalPlugins.translate.GlobalPlugin.__init__
(18:05:54.545):
Translate module initialized, translating to en
INFO - core.main (18:05:54.931):
NVDA initialized
             so is there a way I can fix this? It is driving
me nuts. I hold the control key for about 15 seconds, it
works, then as soon as I try and do something it gets stuck.
In fact it took me about 20 minutes to write this as the
control key keyt sticking. I did disable updates as a test and
it still got stuck, and the only windows update was a security
one for  the scanner.


Please help?




Re: update on my keys loosing control.

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yep, it effected all keyboards hooked up even a USB one I have. So this is a windows issue I believe.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.

to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on [twitch.](twitch.tv/ke7zum] Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 9 Feb 2020, at 21:06, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi


Did you try another keyboard?


We had a netbook that started going weird with the keyboard. we plugged in another keyboard and disabled the one on the lap top or did it swap across.

Things went fine until we unplugged it and the problems started again.


it ended up we had to replace the keyboard on the lap top but was lucky a friend did it for us which I think was 40 bucks or so and if at a shop extra to install it.


Some times on the lap top keyboards crumbs etc if eating near it will jam keys etc so run like a vacuum hose or some thing like that to try and suck it up or even turn the laptop so the keyboard is facing down and give the lap top a couple of wacks to try and loosen the crumbs etc but do not drop it when doing it.


Gene nz



On 10/02/2020 3:33 pm, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Hello to all. I'm really starting to get frustrated here. I was just minding my own business and NVDA decided to lose control. so did narrator. I hve no clue if this is a windows issue, but it did start with 1909 last year and now happens every 30 or so seconds or when it wants to. I remember discussion on the list about this some months ago. and a solution never was come up wiht. A restart is not working ehre as it will just happen out of the blue even when my system is not busy. Here is the log I managed to gather. I hear braille tethered to focus btw when I try and check the title. I think the control key might be getting stuck but I have no clue how to software unstick it. I tried tapping it and no release. it will just happen at random. Here is my log.


INFO - __main__ (18:05:47.444):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.887):
Config dir: C:\Users\Sarah\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (18:05:48.887):
Loading config: C:\Users\Sarah\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
NVDA version 2019.2.1
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using Windows version 10.0.18363 workstation
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using Python version 2.7.16 (v2.7.16:413a49145e, Mar  4 2019, 01:30:55) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using comtypes version 1.1.7
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (18:05:49.750):
Loaded synthDriver oneCore
INFO - core.main (18:05:49.750):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (18:05:49.752):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (18:05:49.753):
Using liblouis version 3.10.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (18:05:49.756):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
WARNING - core.main (18:05:49.801):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (18:05:49.812):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6
INFO - external:globalPlugins.translate.GlobalPlugin.__init__ (18:05:54.545):
Translate module initialized, translating to en
INFO - core.main (18:05:54.931):
NVDA initialized
INFO - __main__ (18:05:47.444):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.887):
Config dir: C:\Users\Sarah\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (18:05:48.887):
Loading config: C:\Users\Sarah\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
NVDA version 2019.2.1
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using Windows version 10.0.18363 workstation
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using Python version 2.7.16 (v2.7.16:413a49145e, Mar  4 2019, 01:30:55) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using comtypes version 1.1.7
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (18:05:49.750):
Loaded synthDriver oneCore
INFO - core.main (18:05:49.750):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (18:05:49.752):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (18:05:49.753):
Using liblouis version 3.10.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (18:05:49.756):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
WARNING - core.main (18:05:49.801):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (18:05:49.812):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6
INFO - external:globalPlugins.translate.GlobalPlugin.__init__ (18:05:54.545):
Translate module initialized, translating to en
INFO - core.main (18:05:54.931):
NVDA initialized
             so is there a way I can fix this? It is driving me nuts. I hold the control key for about 15 seconds, it works, then as soon as I try and do something it gets stuck. In fact it took me about 20 minutes to write this as the control key keyt sticking. I did disable updates as a test and it still got stuck, and the only windows update was a security one for  the scanner.


Please help?




Re: update on my keys loosing control.

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


Did you try another keyboard?


We had a netbook that started going weird with the keyboard. we plugged in another keyboard and disabled the one on the lap top or did it swap across.

Things went fine until we unplugged it and the problems started again.


it ended up we had to replace the keyboard on the lap top but was lucky a friend did it for us which I think was 40 bucks or so and if at a shop extra to install it.


Some times on the lap top keyboards crumbs etc if eating near it will jam keys etc so run like a vacuum hose or some thing like that to try and suck it up or even turn the laptop so the keyboard is facing down and give the lap top a couple of wacks to try and loosen the crumbs etc but do not drop it when doing it.


Gene nz

On 10/02/2020 3:33 pm, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Hello to all. I'm really starting to get frustrated here. I was just minding my own business and NVDA decided to lose control. so did narrator. I hve no clue if this is a windows issue, but it did start with 1909 last year and now happens every 30 or so seconds or when it wants to. I remember discussion on the list about this some months ago. and a solution never was come up wiht. A restart is not working ehre as it will just happen out of the blue even when my system is not busy. Here is the log I managed to gather. I hear braille tethered to focus btw when I try and check the title. I think the control key might be getting stuck but I have no clue how to software unstick it. I tried tapping it and no release. it will just happen at random. Here is my log.


INFO - __main__ (18:05:47.444):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.887):
Config dir: C:\Users\Sarah\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (18:05:48.887):
Loading config: C:\Users\Sarah\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
NVDA version 2019.2.1
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using Windows version 10.0.18363 workstation
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using Python version 2.7.16 (v2.7.16:413a49145e, Mar  4 2019, 01:30:55) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using comtypes version 1.1.7
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (18:05:49.750):
Loaded synthDriver oneCore
INFO - core.main (18:05:49.750):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (18:05:49.752):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (18:05:49.753):
Using liblouis version 3.10.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (18:05:49.756):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
WARNING - core.main (18:05:49.801):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (18:05:49.812):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6
INFO - external:globalPlugins.translate.GlobalPlugin.__init__ (18:05:54.545):
Translate module initialized, translating to en
INFO - core.main (18:05:54.931):
NVDA initialized
INFO - __main__ (18:05:47.444):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.887):
Config dir: C:\Users\Sarah\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (18:05:48.887):
Loading config: C:\Users\Sarah\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
NVDA version 2019.2.1
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using Windows version 10.0.18363 workstation
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using Python version 2.7.16 (v2.7.16:413a49145e, Mar  4 2019, 01:30:55) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using comtypes version 1.1.7
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (18:05:49.750):
Loaded synthDriver oneCore
INFO - core.main (18:05:49.750):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (18:05:49.752):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (18:05:49.753):
Using liblouis version 3.10.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (18:05:49.756):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
WARNING - core.main (18:05:49.801):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (18:05:49.812):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6
INFO - external:globalPlugins.translate.GlobalPlugin.__init__ (18:05:54.545):
Translate module initialized, translating to en
INFO - core.main (18:05:54.931):
NVDA initialized
             so is there a way I can fix this? It is driving me nuts. I hold the control key for about 15 seconds, it works, then as soon as I try and do something it gets stuck. In fact it took me about 20 minutes to write this as the control key keyt sticking. I did disable updates as a test and it still got stuck, and the only windows update was a security one for  the scanner.


Please help?



Re: Update: Defender no longer mistakenly flagging NVDA

 

Well thats good to know.

I do really wish that if there is something a security detects as a potential issue that it finds and says its a possible issue because it may be unknown or it could be bad, or it looks like %trogen name but its unsure.

What I have had happen on the net is that software x is a trogen and its name is given.

The developer is contacted, he looks at it and says its not.

People then flame the dev and say its a virus, then start saying all his stuff is a virus and he is bad.

One of 2 things happen.

1.  the developer fixes it, is aware and handles it.

or.

2:  and sadly what mostly happens in some forums.

The developer goes, deletes his stuff and storms off.

People trust their security and think its the word of god and once there is a name well they throw it about like a piece of well chooed gum.

They don't care where it goes, they start making drama and so it goes on.

I don't even think the companies realise what dammage they are doing.

False positives are just things things find because it looks like something else.

Thats not a problem but when they start naming and shaming its a problem.

When avg used to find stuff like this it was like avg found unknown trogen name. ext which is in file and folder name and extention, is not in our database.

I didn't really care but it was clear that it had found something it wasn't sure and didn't have.

Sadly a friend that uses various software packages but has from time to time had to test some things for his job has encountered this to.

He knows what it is but it can get frustrating at times.

One day he decided to take his work home with him and well norton did a number on the family computer killing many files, screwing up drives and the like.

He lost a backup drive, his os drive and a data drive.

He now uses a restricted account for home and work and his admin but things do from time to time appear so you are not alone with this stuff.



On 10/02/2020 3:45 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

Just a quick update - I mentioned on Friday that Microsoft had fixed their Defender definitions.  At the time it hadn't filtered down to me at least, although later on Friday it did and everything was fine again.  You should no longer have trouble installing NVDA 2019.3rc3 from: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc3-now-available-for-testing/

If you are still having trouble using eSpeak on a previously installed or setup copy of the RC, you might need to install again, as Defender probably deleted the eSpeak.dll file (the file it was incorrectly flagging as problematic).

Also just to reassure everyone, there never was a problem with eSpeak or NVDA - there never was a trojan or malicious software, it was simply Windows defender incorrectly marking the espeak dll as problematic, even though there was nothing wrong with the file.

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



Re: Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

Brian K. Lingard
 

Dear Dale & List:

It   may well be from the update. If you have sighted help, your cam uninstalls the update to see if you can get Narrator or NVDA going.

Alternatively, you can try updating your speech drivers.

Happy rolling back or updating.

So, you have Polar Bears like Churchill, MB has.

 

Brian K; Lingard

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of Dale Leavens
Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2020 10:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

 

I was using Safari on my iPhone.

 

I am particularly interested because I cannot make my Windows 10 computer load up with Narrator so neither can I get NVDA and was wondering if the update might have something to do with it.

 

Cheers.

 

Dale Leavens

Cochrane Ontario Canada

.

Come visit our polar bears!


On Feb 9, 2020, at 7:36 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:



If you saw the article in Spanish, that is evidently because you have automatic language detection on in NVDA and the page may be incorrectly tagged.  it is in English.  I don't use automatic language detection.  I'll let those who use it and know more about it discuss it further. 

 

Gene

Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2020 6:28 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

 

Did you mean to send a Spanish link?

 

That’s all I could get.

 

Cheers.

 

Dale Leavens

Cochrane Ontario Canada

.

Come visit our polar bears!


On Feb 9, 2020, at 7:20 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:



See this article to get an explanation of why Windows updates have caused so much trouble. 

 

Gene

Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2020 6:08 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

 

It is an optional update.  it won't install unless you install it.  I don't know what messages you have from the thread.  I sent links to two articles or maybe three, that discuss the update by name. 

 

Let us know if you don't have the messages. 

 

Gene

Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2020 5:47 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

 

What update version are we talking about? As we speak, I’m running Windows 10Ver1909 (64 bits) build 18363.592, and I haven’t had any sort of problems.

Let’s say that the update that’s causing problems for people as mentioned in the article, I never install it, preferring to wait for the next one. What’ll happen then? Is Windows 10 like iOS or Android that it installs the latest update skipping others before it?

 

                                                                                              Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

De: Brian Vogel
Enviado: Domingo, 9 de Ferrero de 2020 12:56 p. m.
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
As unto: Re: [nvda] Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

 

On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 01:01 PM, Gene wrote:

One source said that many people aren't affected

And, to me, that's the key point.  So long as that's reported, and the problems that have occurred are accurately reported, it's worth considering.  The problem with most of these sorts of reports is that they omit that the folks affected are, essentially, outliers on the bell curve and, though the root cause is not yet known, it's most likely something idiosyncratic about their systems, not Windows itself.   Truly "bad updates" cause issues for the majority, if not all, users.  When that occurs, you can be assured that Microsoft has messed up; when it doesn't, and it's a very small number among the embedded base, you can almost (not absolutely, but almost) be assured it's not Microsoft that's messed up.   Having been in this business as long as I have, and doing repair as my main line of work, I have seen time and again systems that have not had even the slightest bit of care and maintenance become houses of cards that, eventually, will collapse because of that, not because there was anything at all wrong with the "card" that finally triggered the collapse.

With regard to Ms. Komando, it's her exaggerations in particular, which are characteristic of most of her reporting, that I find particularly troubling.  She makes mountains out of molehills with shocking regularity.  That serves no one, I find.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

 

_._,_._,_


Re: Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

Dale Leavens
 

I was using Safari on my iPhone.

I am particularly interested because I cannot make my Windows 10 computer load up with Narator so neither can I get NVDA and was wondering if the update might have something to do with it.

Cheers.


Dale Leavens
Cochrane Ontario Canada
.
Come visit our polar bears!

On Feb 9, 2020, at 7:36 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:


If you saw the article in Spanish, that is evidently because you have automatic language detection on in NVDA and the page may be incorrectly tagged.  it is in English.  I don't use automatic language detection.  I'll let those who use it and know more about it discuss it further. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2020 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

Did you mean to send a spanish link?

That’s all I could get.

Cheers.


Dale Leavens
Cochrane Ontario Canada
.
Come visit our polar bears!

On Feb 9, 2020, at 7:20 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:


See this article to get an explanation of why Windows updates have caused so much trouble. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2020 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

It is an optional update.  it won't install unless you install it.  I don't know what messages you have from the thread.  I sent links to two articles or maybe three, that discuss the update by name. 
 
Let us know if you don't have the messages. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2020 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

What update version are  we talking about? As we speak, I’m running Windows 10Ver1909 (64 bits) build 18363.592, and I haven’t had any sort of problems.

Let’s say that the update that’s causing problems for people as mentioned in the article, I never install it, preferring to wait for the next one. What’llhappen then? Is Windows10 like iOS or Android that it installs the latest update skipping others before it?

 

                                                                                              Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

De: Brian Vogel
Enviado: domingo, 9 de febrero de 2020 12:56 p. m.
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

 

On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 01:01 PM, Gene wrote:

One source said that many people aren't affected

And, to me, that's the key point.  So long as that's reported, and the problems that have occurred are accurately reported, it's worth considering.  The problem with most of these sorts of reports is that they omit that the folks affected are, essentially, outliers on the bell curve and, though the root cause is not yet known, it's most likely something idiosyncratic about their systems, not Windows itself.   Truly "bad updates" cause issues for the majority, if not all, users.  When that occurs, you can be assured that Microsoft has messed up; when it doesn't, and it's a very small number among the embedded base, you can almost (not absolutely, but almost) be assured it's not Microsoft that's messed up.   Having been in this business as long as I have, and doing repair as my main line of work, I have seen time and again systems that have not had even the slightest bit of care and maintenance become houses of cards that, eventually, will collapse because of that, not because there was anything at all wrong with the "card" that finally triggered the collapse.

With regard to Ms. Komando, it's her exaggerations in particular, which are characteristic of most of her reporting, that I find particularly troubling.  She makes mountains out of molehills with shocking regularity.  That serves no one, I find.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

 


Re: NVDA Not Working with CyberLink PowerDVD Ultra 19

Quentin Christensen
 

I haven't used Cyberlink myself, but I wonder for those who have it, have you reached out to Cyberlink about the accessibility problems?

WIthout having looked at the software this is all just general, but in general:
- NVDA supports standard controls (buttons, edit boxes, labels, etc), so if a program uses standard controls they should generally be accessible.  There might be issues like if they created the buttons in reverse order TAB might take you everywhere in a weird order, but you should be able to get there.

- If a developer has created their own custom controls, they may not be accessible, depending on whether they based them off an accessible control or really did create them from scratch.  If they created them from scratch, it's still possible to make them accessible, it just requires extra work in terms of ensuring information is declared to accessibility APIs which might be listening, labels are attached to edit boxes, and so on.

- Often, it's not just being able to tab or arrow to information, but you need to be able to quickly jump to important controls.  If you have a telephone answering program for instance, you really want a shortcut that will let you answer the phone immediately - you don't want to have to tab 35 times to get to the "answer" button.  You also want the program to alert you to the fact that the phone is ringing in the first place.  A flashing light with no other indication and nothing for NVDA to detect isn't going to be very accessible.

There might be things NVDA can do better to access a program, and it might be possible to write an add-on or modify NVDA to overcome issues with the above points, however if the developer of the original software can address those points and ensure their software is as accessible as possible, then it will help not only NVDA users, (and NVDA users who don't have a specific version of NVDA or a particular add-on) but it will help other users as well - users of other screen readers, keyboard users who might not use a screen reader, etc.

As I said, I haven't used this particular program so those are all general comments.

Regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 4:08 PM Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

Thats true.

I have had a similar issue with abbyy fine reader 15.

At first they just said it worked with jaws and that was fine but would test it.

It took them over a month to test and find it was their software being bad.

Now its not been fixed yet but its in the cue so its going to appear at some point maybe in the next update in the 15 x series whenever that is.



On 9/02/2020 3:22 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
What any screen reader user needs to understand is that issues of inaccessibility can originate with the screen reader itself, the software you're trying to use it to control, or both.

Your request is not unreasonable, but be aware that it may have nothing to do with NVDA (or any other screen reader) and may have everything to do with something the folks at CyberLink have done (or not done) with PowerDVD Ultra 19.

There are times, of course, where both sides of the equation will have tweaks that must be made.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 



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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



Re: Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Luigi,

Everything should be fine with the RC now, and the 2019.2.1 version of eSpeak was never flagged so you shouldn't be having a problem with that version if you did downgrade.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 1:18 AM luigi <mcueff01@...> wrote:

Hello,

 

Thank you for this information, i will downgrade to nvda2019.2.1. Hopefully it will not affect the french voice of espeak.

 

Provenance : Courrier pour Windows 10



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



Update: Defender no longer mistakenly flagging NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

Just a quick update - I mentioned on Friday that Microsoft had fixed their Defender definitions.  At the time it hadn't filtered down to me at least, although later on Friday it did and everything was fine again.  You should no longer have trouble installing NVDA 2019.3rc3 from: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc3-now-available-for-testing/

If you are still having trouble using eSpeak on a previously installed or setup copy of the RC, you might need to install again, as Defender probably deleted the eSpeak.dll file (the file it was incorrectly flagging as problematic).

Also just to reassure everyone, there never was a problem with eSpeak or NVDA - there never was a trojan or malicious software, it was simply Windows defender incorrectly marking the espeak dll as problematic, even though there was nothing wrong with the file.

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



update on my keys loosing control.

Sarah k Alawami
 

Hello to all. I'm really starting to get frustrated here. I was just minding my own business and NVDA decided to lose control. so did narrator. I hve no clue if this is a windows issue, but it did start with 1909 last year and now happens every 30 or so seconds or when it wants to. I remember discussion on the list about this some months ago. and a solution never was come up wiht. A restart is not working ehre as it will just happen out of the blue even when my system is not busy. Here is the log I managed to gather. I hear braille tethered to focus btw when I try and check the title. I think the control key might be getting stuck but I have no clue how to software unstick it. I tried tapping it and no release. it will just happen at random. Here is my log.


INFO - __main__ (18:05:47.444):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.887):
Config dir: C:\Users\Sarah\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (18:05:48.887):
Loading config: C:\Users\Sarah\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
NVDA version 2019.2.1
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using Windows version 10.0.18363 workstation
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using Python version 2.7.16 (v2.7.16:413a49145e, Mar  4 2019, 01:30:55) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using comtypes version 1.1.7
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (18:05:49.750):
Loaded synthDriver oneCore
INFO - core.main (18:05:49.750):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (18:05:49.752):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (18:05:49.753):
Using liblouis version 3.10.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (18:05:49.756):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
WARNING - core.main (18:05:49.801):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (18:05:49.812):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6
INFO - external:globalPlugins.translate.GlobalPlugin.__init__ (18:05:54.545):
Translate module initialized, translating to en
INFO - core.main (18:05:54.931):
NVDA initialized
INFO - __main__ (18:05:47.444):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.887):
Config dir: C:\Users\Sarah\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (18:05:48.887):
Loading config: C:\Users\Sarah\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
NVDA version 2019.2.1
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using Windows version 10.0.18363 workstation
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using Python version 2.7.16 (v2.7.16:413a49145e, Mar  4 2019, 01:30:55) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using comtypes version 1.1.7
INFO - core.main (18:05:48.967):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (18:05:49.750):
Loaded synthDriver oneCore
INFO - core.main (18:05:49.750):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (18:05:49.752):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (18:05:49.753):
Using liblouis version 3.10.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (18:05:49.756):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
WARNING - core.main (18:05:49.801):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (18:05:49.812):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6
INFO - external:globalPlugins.translate.GlobalPlugin.__init__ (18:05:54.545):
Translate module initialized, translating to en
INFO - core.main (18:05:54.931):
NVDA initialized
             so is there a way I can fix this? It is driving me nuts. I hold the control key for about 15 seconds, it works, then as soon as I try and do something it gets stuck. In fact it took me about 20 minutes to write this as the control key keyt sticking. I did disable updates as a test and it still got stuck, and the only windows update was a security one for  the scanner.


Please help?


Re: Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

Brian K. Lingard
 

 

Dear Jean & List:

I run JAWS 2020, have it set to detect language and yes, JAWS did its best to read ne the page in Spanish!

Brian K. Lingard

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2020 7:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

 

If you saw the article in Spanish, that is evidently because you have automatic language detection on in NVDA and the page may be incorrectly tagged.  it is in English.  I don't use automatic language detection.  I'll let those who use it and know more about it discuss it further. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2020 6:28 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

 

Did you mean to send a Spanish link?

 

That’s all I could get.

 

Cheers.

 

Dale Leavens

Cochrane Ontario Canada

.

Come visit our polar bears!



On Feb 9, 2020, at 7:20 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:



See this article to get an explanation of why Windows updates have caused so much trouble. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

 

 

Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2020 6:08 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

 

It is an optional update.  it won't install unless you install it.  I don't know what messages you have from the thread.  I sent links to two articles or maybe three, that discuss the update by name. 

 

Let us know if you don't have the messages. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2020 5:47 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

 

What update version are we talking about? As we speak, I’m running Windows 10Ver1909 (64 bits) build 18363.592, and I haven’t had any sort of problems.

Let’s say that the update that’s causing problems for people as mentioned in the article, I never install it, preferring to wait for the next one. What’ll happen then? Is Windows 10 like iOS or Android that it installs the latest update skipping others before it?

 

                                                                                              Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

De: Brian Vogel
Enviado: Domingo, 9 de Ferrero de 2020 12:56 p. m.
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
As unto: Re: [nvda] Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

 

On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 01:01 PM, Gene wrote:

One source said that many people aren't affected

And, to me, that's the key point.  So long as that's reported, and the problems that have occurred are accurately reported, it's worth considering.  The problem with most of these sorts of reports is that they omit that the folks affected are, essentially, outliers on the bell curve and, though the root cause is not yet known, it's most likely something idiosyncratic about their systems, not Windows itself.   Truly "bad updates" cause issues for the majority, if not all, users.  When that occurs, you can be assured that Microsoft has messed up; when it doesn't, and it's a very small number among the embedded base, you can almost (not absolutely, but almost) be assured it's not Microsoft that's messed up.   Having been in this business as long as I have, and doing repair as my main line of work, I have seen time and again systems that have not had even the slightest bit of care and maintenance become houses of cards that, eventually, will collapse because of that, not because there was anything at all wrong with the "card" that finally triggered the collapse.

With regard to Ms. Komando, it's her exaggerations in particular, which are characteristic of most of her reporting, that I find particularly troubling.  She makes mountains out of molehills with shocking regularity.  That serves no one, I find.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna