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Re: virbosity

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


Check under the document settings menu in NVDA. to quickly get there use
the nvda key + the ctrl key + the letter D


Then it is a matter of tabbing down until you hear nvda say something
like the reporting of tables and uncheck it with the space bar.


The above shortcut is a desk top one not sure if it is the same for a
lap top.



you can also setup a profile for certain times when you want it heard
and when you do not.


gene nz

On 23/11/2016 11:39 AM, Don H wrote:
I am a newbee with NVDA. When on a web page NVDA reads all the table
info such as colums, in and out of a table and such. Is there a way
to limit the reading of this info?
Thanks



Re: a few questions

Kelsey Nicolay <piano.girl0299@...>
 

Yes, I do have certain sites that I visit a lot. I have not used Chrome much, but it sounds like it works better you nvda.


Re: a few questions

Gene
 

You may want to try NVDA and I don't know what options you may have at work.  Can you get your IT department to put the old version of JAWS back on your machine?  You can have as many older versions of JAWS on your machine as you like.  Indeed, your IT department should not remove the old version until you evaluate a new version to see if you will continue to want or need to use the old one.  Home users of JAWS who are knowledgeable enough to know this routinely leave at least one older version on their machine while they evaluate the new version.  If the new version is unsatisfactory, they continue to use the old version completely or they use it in circumstances where it performs better.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a few questions

Hi Quinten,
I plan to talk with my hr manager about switching to nvda as an
option.  It's not that I don't like JAWS, but the latest update
has made it very buggy on some sites chsing Firefox. 
Unfortunately one of them is a site that I have to visit often to
do my research.  Luckily  the website loads fine with Internet
Explorer, but I'm not a fan of that browser since it does not
work well with Salesforce.  I am hoping nvda will be better.



Re: a few questions

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Quentin,

 

I found that NVDA was kind of sluggish with firefox. I'm not sure if it was an NVDA issue, a firefox issue or just my machine. I'm hoping the problem will be fixed in NVDA 2016.4.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 5:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a few questions

 

Kelsey,

 

I realised you also asked about web browsers which I forgot to answer.  NVDA works very well with Firefox.  Our support for Chrome is quite good also.  If you have a handful of sites you use regularly at work, it would be worth trying them just to be sure - some sites just work better in one browser than another.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Hi Kelsey,

 

Someone asked about Salesforce recently, and I don't recall seeing an answer.  I haven't tried it myself.  If you have access to it already, you can try NVDA with it and see if you run into any problems.  If you are concerned about installing NVDA at work, you can run a portable copy off a USB, or even directly from the setup file without needing to install anything on the PC.

 

Now the Brailliant should work fine with NVDA.  There is a note about setting it up and using it in the User Guide with a bit more info: http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#toc109

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Kelsey Nicolay <piano.girl0299@...> wrote:

Hello,
I am new to this group and nvda.  I am a JAWS user now, but I am thinking about making the switch to nvda.  However, I have a few questions.  First, does anyone know whether nvda works with Salesforce? JAWS does, but I have not found anything that says whether nvda will work or not and I want to make sure nvda will work with Salesforce before I make the switch.  Second, I use a Brailliant Bi 40.  What would be involved in getting that set up to work with nvda? The usb driver is already installed on my computer at work, but I would like to try to set up my Brailliant for use with nvda on my personal laptop before I attempt to do it at work.  Therefore, would someone who uses a Brailliant be willing to walk me through the setup process and show me how to use the display with nvda? Finally, which web browsers does nvda work well with? Currently my default at work is set to Firefox, but Chrome is their preferred browser.
Thank you,
Kelsey Nicolay




 

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Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
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Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: NVDA & Jaws

Gene
 

Messages you saw on the other list may not have expressed the point clearly.  A lot of people have more than one screen-reader on their computer but they use one at a time.
 
Gene

Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA & Jaws

Hi, Jeff,

One of the advantages of having two screen readers is for instance, if
you're trying to do something on the internet like filling out a form, NVDA
might not be able to handle a form field where Jaws can. One time I tried to
fill out a survey for Hadley School and NVDA couldn't see all the fields so
I ended up using system access to go and that was a huge help.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeffrey
Bohrman
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 4:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA & Jaws

Hello All!

I am the brand new kid on the block and I do not yet have NVDA in my system
as yet but have wanted to do this for some time.

On a list that I am no longer on, several people said that they Have Jaws
and Nvda working "together".  I think they switch between the two depending
on the need or are they are on at the same time.  I am not sure though.

And, what is the benefit of having both screen readers in force at the same
time?

Thank you and I simply look forward to meeting many of you through this
list.

Have a swell evening!

Jeff :-)








Re: a few questions

Kelsey Nicolay <piano.girl0299@...>
 

Hi Quinten,
I plan to talk with my hr manager about switching to nvda as an option. It's not that I don't like JAWS, but the latest update has made it very buggy on some sites chsing Firefox. Unfortunately one of them is a site that I have to visit often to do my research. Luckily the website loads fine with Internet Explorer, but I'm not a fan of that browser since it does not work well with Salesforce. I am hoping nvda will be better.


Re: a few questions

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Kelsey,

I don't know the answers to your first two questions but NVDA is kind of
sluggish with firefox now. I understand it works well with chrome and it
does work well with internet explorer. Years ago when NVDA first came out,
you had to use it with firefox but now it works well with IE.

Hope this helps somewhat.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelsey
Nicolay
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] a few questions

Hello,
I am new to this group and nvda. I am a JAWS user now, but I am thinking
about making the switch to nvda. However, I have a few questions. First,
does anyone know whether nvda works with Salesforce? JAWS does, but I have
not found anything that says whether nvda will work or not and I want to
make sure nvda will work with Salesforce before I make the switch. Second,
I use a Brailliant Bi 40. What would be involved in getting that set up to
work with nvda? The usb driver is already installed on my computer at work,
but I would like to try to set up my Brailliant for use with nvda on my
personal laptop before I attempt to do it at work. Therefore, would someone
who uses a Brailliant be willing to walk me through the setup process and
show me how to use the display with nvda? Finally, which web browsers does
nvda work well with? Currently my default at work is set to Firefox, but
Chrome is their preferred browser.
Thank you,
Kelsey Nicolay


Re: NVDA & Jaws

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Jeff,

One of the advantages of having two screen readers is for instance, if
you're trying to do something on the internet like filling out a form, NVDA
might not be able to handle a form field where Jaws can. One time I tried to
fill out a survey for Hadley School and NVDA couldn't see all the fields so
I ended up using system access to go and that was a huge help.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeffrey
Bohrman
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 4:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA & Jaws

Hello All!

I am the brand new kid on the block and I do not yet have NVDA in my system
as yet but have wanted to do this for some time.

On a list that I am no longer on, several people said that they Have Jaws
and Nvda working "together". I think they switch between the two depending
on the need or are they are on at the same time. I am not sure though.

And, what is the benefit of having both screen readers in force at the same
time?

Thank you and I simply look forward to meeting many of you through this
list.

Have a swell evening!

Jeff :-)


Re: a few questions

Quentin Christensen
 

Kelsey,

I realised you also asked about web browsers which I forgot to answer.  NVDA works very well with Firefox.  Our support for Chrome is quite good also.  If you have a handful of sites you use regularly at work, it would be worth trying them just to be sure - some sites just work better in one browser than another.

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Hi Kelsey,

Someone asked about Salesforce recently, and I don't recall seeing an answer.  I haven't tried it myself.  If you have access to it already, you can try NVDA with it and see if you run into any problems.  If you are concerned about installing NVDA at work, you can run a portable copy off a USB, or even directly from the setup file without needing to install anything on the PC.

Now the Brailliant should work fine with NVDA.  There is a note about setting it up and using it in the User Guide with a bit more info: http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#toc109

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Kelsey Nicolay <piano.girl0299@...> wrote:
Hello,
I am new to this group and nvda.  I am a JAWS user now, but I am thinking about making the switch to nvda.  However, I have a few questions.  First, does anyone know whether nvda works with Salesforce? JAWS does, but I have not found anything that says whether nvda will work or not and I want to make sure nvda will work with Salesforce before I make the switch.  Second, I use a Brailliant Bi 40.  What would be involved in getting that set up to work with nvda? The usb driver is already installed on my computer at work, but I would like to try to set up my Brailliant for use with nvda on my personal laptop before I attempt to do it at work.  Therefore, would someone who uses a Brailliant be willing to walk me through the setup process and show me how to use the display with nvda? Finally, which web browsers does nvda work well with? Currently my default at work is set to Firefox, but Chrome is their preferred browser.
Thank you,
Kelsey Nicolay






--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 




--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: a few questions

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Kelsey,

Someone asked about Salesforce recently, and I don't recall seeing an answer.  I haven't tried it myself.  If you have access to it already, you can try NVDA with it and see if you run into any problems.  If you are concerned about installing NVDA at work, you can run a portable copy off a USB, or even directly from the setup file without needing to install anything on the PC.

Now the Brailliant should work fine with NVDA.  There is a note about setting it up and using it in the User Guide with a bit more info: http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#toc109

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Kelsey Nicolay <piano.girl0299@...> wrote:
Hello,
I am new to this group and nvda.  I am a JAWS user now, but I am thinking about making the switch to nvda.  However, I have a few questions.  First, does anyone know whether nvda works with Salesforce? JAWS does, but I have not found anything that says whether nvda will work or not and I want to make sure nvda will work with Salesforce before I make the switch.  Second, I use a Brailliant Bi 40.  What would be involved in getting that set up to work with nvda? The usb driver is already installed on my computer at work, but I would like to try to set up my Brailliant for use with nvda on my personal laptop before I attempt to do it at work.  Therefore, would someone who uses a Brailliant be willing to walk me through the setup process and show me how to use the display with nvda? Finally, which web browsers does nvda work well with? Currently my default at work is set to Firefox, but Chrome is their preferred browser.
Thank you,
Kelsey Nicolay






--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: NVDA & Jaws

Arlene
 

Hi, I have both NVDA. Also Jaws 14 on my windows 7 system. I don't have
them running at once. You can have both NVDA and Jaws on your computer if
you want. I have the latest version of NVDA. If you want Jaws to start on
your computer. Then set Jaws to run first. If you don't want NVDA to start
then if you have it launched. When you launch NVDA If you don't want it to
start when windows starts. Don't allow it. If you don't want Jaws to start
when windows starts. Then go to jaws settings and have it not run first. If
you wan to run NVDA then close Jaws down. Vice versa. I use NVDA for
facebook. I find it responds quicker then Jaws.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeffrey
Bohrman
Sent: November-22-16 4:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA & Jaws

Hello All!

I am the brand new kid on the block and I do not yet have NVDA in my system
as yet but have wanted to do this for some time.

On a list that I am no longer on, several people said that they Have Jaws
and Nvda working "together". I think they switch between the two depending
on the need or are they are on at the same time. I am not sure though.

And, what is the benefit of having both screen readers in force at the same
time?

Thank you and I simply look forward to meeting many of you through this
list.

Have a swell evening!

Jeff :-)


NVDA & Jaws

Jeffrey Bohrman <jeffrey.bohrman@...>
 

Hello All!

I am the brand new kid on the block and I do not yet have NVDA in my
system as yet but have wanted to do this for some time.

On a list that I am no longer on, several people said that they Have Jaws
and Nvda working "together". I think they switch between the two
depending on the need or are they are on at the same time. I am not sure
though.

And, what is the benefit of having both screen readers in force at the
same time?

Thank you and I simply look forward to meeting many of you through this
list.

Have a swell evening!

Jeff :-)


a few questions

Kelsey Nicolay <piano.girl0299@...>
 

Hello,
I am new to this group and nvda. I am a JAWS user now, but I am thinking about making the switch to nvda. However, I have a few questions. First, does anyone know whether nvda works with Salesforce? JAWS does, but I have not found anything that says whether nvda will work or not and I want to make sure nvda will work with Salesforce before I make the switch. Second, I use a Brailliant Bi 40. What would be involved in getting that set up to work with nvda? The usb driver is already installed on my computer at work, but I would like to try to set up my Brailliant for use with nvda on my personal laptop before I attempt to do it at work. Therefore, would someone who uses a Brailliant be willing to walk me through the setup process and show me how to use the display with nvda? Finally, which web browsers does nvda work well with? Currently my default at work is set to Firefox, but Chrome is their preferred browser.
Thank you,
Kelsey Nicolay


Re: changing my name in the outlook address book

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Brian,

 

I ended up calling the Microsoft disability line and they helped me with this problem. Thanks very much for trying to help though.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] changing my name in the outlook address book

 

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 08:59 am, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I tried the steps and they didn't work. I have outlook 2013 so the steps are probably diffferent. What could I be doing wrong?

 Rosemarie,

             To be honest I have no idea what you might be doing wrong (if anything) or if there's been some change to the interface in Outlook 2013.  The account management has been done from the File Tab/Menu via the Account Information & Account Settings.

              I come up with these step-by-steps by doing, and this works under Outlook 2010 and the general layout of account management in Outlook had been very similar for a very long time up through Outlook 2010 and I made the presumption, perhaps incorrect, that they'd stay the same under Outlook 2013.  I'd have to see what comes up when doing this task under Outlook 2013 to determine what's different.  I don't have easy access to Outlook 2013.
--
Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

    ~ Lauren Bacall

    

 


Re: changing my name in the outlook address book

 

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 08:59 am, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I tried the steps and they didn't work. I have outlook 2013 so the steps are probably diffferent. What could I be doing wrong?

 Rosemarie,

             To be honest I have no idea what you might be doing wrong (if anything) or if there's been some change to the interface in Outlook 2013.  The account management has been done from the File Tab/Menu via the Account Information & Account Settings.

              I come up with these step-by-steps by doing, and this works under Outlook 2010 and the general layout of account management in Outlook had been very similar for a very long time up through Outlook 2010 and I made the presumption, perhaps incorrect, that they'd stay the same under Outlook 2013.  I'd have to see what comes up when doing this task under Outlook 2013 to determine what's different.  I don't have easy access to Outlook 2013.
--
Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

    ~ Lauren Bacall

    



Re: virbosity

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Don,

NVDA has a document formatting dialog - NVDA+control+d or open the NVDA menu (NVDA+n) then preferences, then document formatting.  On the document formatting dialog, you can set what information gets read automatically, from changes in font name or size, to the number of columns in a table.  If you turn off any of these, for instance if you turn off all the table information, then NVDA won't necessarily announce when it gets to a table, but the commands to move around or between tables will still work.

On the flip side, the keyboard dialog - NVDA+control+d or from the preferences menu, allows you to control what NVDA reads out while you press keys.  Some of these have their own keystrokes, for instance NVDA+2 to turn speak typed characters on or off and NVDA+3 to toggle speak typed words.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 9:39 AM, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:
I am a newbee with NVDA.  When on a web page NVDA reads all the table info such as colums, in and out of a table and such.  Is there a way to limit the reading of this info?
Thanks






--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


virbosity

Don H
 

I am a newbee with NVDA. When on a web page NVDA reads all the table info such as colums, in and out of a table and such. Is there a way to limit the reading of this info?
Thanks


Re: command needed

Gene
 

I should clarify and correct something in my last message.  I said that if you use insert b in Windows Live Mail, that you will hear a lot of additional information.  That is true if you are using the old menu version of the program.  In the newer ribbon version, you will hear a little bit of additional information but not much. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] command needed

Read the screen is numpad insert or the main keyboard insert b.  That does about the same thing as control shift w in Window-eyes.  Because of NVDA reading what are called objects when you issue this command, at times, you may get more information than you got with Window-eyes using the command.  If, for example, you use Windows Live Mail, you will hear a lot of buttons read that you never heard before.  The rest of th4e information will be read as well but oit's interesting and useful to get this extra information at times.  I won't go into how this information might be acted on in terms of using commands to move to it and activate controls; that involves concepts you will have to learn things like screen navigation with the review keys for but the point is that at times, the information you hear will be more inclusive than what you heard in Window-eyes.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
 
Gene

Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] command needed

The only NVDA command I know of is insert numpad 7. That takes you to screen review and document review. Other than that, I don't know of any other commands.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 11:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] command needed

 

Hi All,

 

I would like to know if there is a command in nvda that can read the screen?  Window eyes has such a command it is control shift w.  Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox


Re: command needed

Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...>
 

Thanks Gene.
 

From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 5:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] command needed
 
Read the screen is numpad insert or the main keyboard insert b.  That does about the same thing as control shift w in Window-eyes.  Because of NVDA reading what are called objects when you issue this command, at times, you may get more information than you got with Window-eyes using the command.  If, for example, you use Windows Live Mail, you will hear a lot of buttons read that you never heard before.  The rest of th4e information will be read as well but oit's interesting and useful to get this extra information at times.  I won't go into how this information might be acted on in terms of using commands to move to it and activate controls; that involves concepts you will have to learn things like screen navigation with the review keys for but the point is that at times, the information you hear will be more inclusive than what you heard in Window-eyes.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
 
Gene
 
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 1:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] command needed
 

The only NVDA command I know of is insert numpad 7. That takes you to screen review and document review. Other than that, I don't know of any other commands.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 11:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] command needed

 

Hi All,

 

I would like to know if there is a command in nvda that can read the screen?  Window eyes has such a command it is control shift w.  Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox


Re: command needed

Gene
 

Read the screen is numpad insert or the main keyboard insert b.  That does about the same thing as control shift w in Window-eyes.  Because of NVDA reading what are called objects when you issue this command, at times, you may get more information than you got with Window-eyes using the command.  If, for example, you use Windows Live Mail, you will hear a lot of buttons read that you never heard before.  The rest of th4e information will be read as well but oit's interesting and useful to get this extra information at times.  I won't go into how this information might be acted on in terms of using commands to move to it and activate controls; that involves concepts you will have to learn things like screen navigation with the review keys for but the point is that at times, the information you hear will be more inclusive than what you heard in Window-eyes.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
 
Gene

Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] command needed

The only NVDA command I know of is insert numpad 7. That takes you to screen review and document review. Other than that, I don't know of any other commands.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 11:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] command needed

 

Hi All,

 

I would like to know if there is a command in nvda that can read the screen?  Window eyes has such a command it is control shift w.  Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox