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Re: [TechTalk] Alert Windows Live Mail users, scam email warning

 

The only alternative email client I can think of that will be able to support the new Outlook.com is...Thunderbird. Even though if it suddenly won't work after June, I have confidence that Mozilla will fix it in a new version pretty quickly.


Re: [TechTalk] Alert Windows Live Mail users, scam email warning

Helga Schreiber
 

Hi all! This is Helga! How are you all? I use Windows live mail 2012 as my eamil client, so Ishould I change my client? I'm just owndering! On my windows live mail I have my gmail account and hotmail account! So that means I should change to outlook 2016 or what other client is available? I will update my windows 8.1 to windows 10 soon! I look forward for any suggestions! Thanks and God bless!

Helga Schreiber 

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On May 6, 2016, at 12:15 AM, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:

Hi Brian,


There are changes, but this address:

Outlo‍ok‍.‍com 


is bogus.



On 5/5/2016 11:23 PM, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:
It's not a spam/phishing email, take a look at this https://blogs.office.com/2016/05/05/using-windows-live-mail-2012-with-outlook-com-time-to-update-your-email-application/

This is real, and...the change will happen, no matter what. To be honest I felt kind of surprised by this, having used WLM for so long.


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Re: [TechTalk] Alert Windows Live Mail users, scam email warning

 

Ron,

          "Outlook.com" and "outlook.com" both get used, regularly, in Microsoft materials.  That includes on the very official Microsoft support page announcing the change to which I supplied the link (and just did again).

Brian
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Re: [TechTalk] Alert Windows Live Mail users, scam email warning

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Brian,


There are changes, but this address:

Outlo‍ok‍.‍com 


is bogus.



On 5/5/2016 11:23 PM, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:
It's not a spam/phishing email, take a look at this https://blogs.office.com/2016/05/05/using-windows-live-mail-2012-with-outlook-com-time-to-update-your-email-application/

This is real, and...the change will happen, no matter what. To be honest I felt kind of surprised by this, having used WLM for so long.


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They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: [TechTalk] Alert Windows Live Mail users, scam email warning

 

Ron Canazzi wrote:  "Well, then Microsoft phone support is stupid."

This is not news, nor is that observation in any way limited to Microsoft.

Brian
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Re: Fw: Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012

 

Rosemarie Chavarria wrote: "Like the old saying goes, if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Microsoft and Google both seem to fail to appreciate the timeless nature of this adage.  They also tend to break the KISS principle of design on a very frequent basis, too.

Brian
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Re: Fw: Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012

 

Supanut,

         Well, I've never found two-step verification all that necessary for my e-mail.  A strong password is more than enough.  I have had the "allow less secure clients" (or whatever the phrasing is on Gmail) setting selected for years now without ill effect.  It's one of the few e-mail server setups that defaults two-step verification on.

Brian
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Re: [TechTalk] Alert Windows Live Mail users, scam email warning

Ron Canazzi
 

Well, then Microsoft phone support is stupid.



On 5/5/2016 11:57 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Ron,

          It is not false.  It is posted on Microsoft's own website and is being heavily discussed in the tech press.

          It doesn't get more official than an announcement on support.office.com.

          I also think this is going to backfire on Microsoft and they'll lose a lot of e-mail users.
Brian
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   ~ Henry Rosovsky


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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Feature request: List of clickable elements in Elements List dialog and single letter navigation for clickable elements

Bhavya shah
 

Dear all,
As the subject line quite clearly suggests, my request is to add a
feature in the NVDA Elements List dialog which includes the listing of
clickable elements on the page too. Also, a particular key (which may
remain unassigned by default, if needed) should be able to navigate to
the clickable elements.
Before filing a ticket for the same, I was in doubt if this proposal
had already been brought up in the past or if it is worthy of a new
ticket being filed.
Thanks.

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Re: Microsoft Outlook Scam!

 

Ron,

        Please stop saying this is a scam.  It has been officially announced on Microsoft's own support sites.  See this one on support.office.com

Brian
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Never underestimate the difficulty of changing false beliefs by facts. 
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Re: [TechTalk] Alert Windows Live Mail users, scam email warning

 

Ron,

          It is not false.  It is posted on Microsoft's own website and is being heavily discussed in the tech press.

          It doesn't get more official than an announcement on support.office.com.

          I also think this is going to backfire on Microsoft and they'll lose a lot of e-mail users.

Brian
-- 

Never underestimate the difficulty of changing false beliefs by facts. 
   ~ Henry Rosovsky

    



Microsoft Outlook Scam!

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


As concerns the Outlook.com issue: I just talked to the disability line at Microsoft (1-800-936-5900) and this Outlook business is definitely a scam.  There is already a case number 133-830-4258 open and being investigated.


If you get any further e-mails or web page references, forward such e-mails to the 2 following addresses:

abuse@...

abuse@...


Hopefully, this will resolve the controversy!



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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Fw: Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012

Gene
 

I didn't keep the e-mail being discussed.  Just because the transition is genuine, that doesn't mean the e-mail is.  I don't know.  But I do know that it is advised against following links in e-mails unless you know they are safe.  I believe Ron said he saw some sort of misspelling in the message.  That should make people very suspicious about whether the message is legitimate.  If you want to respond to the genuine issue, use Microsoft links from the actual Microsoft site.  Follow safety procedures and don't take chances, wherever an e-mail appears to come from.
 
Gene

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Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Fw: Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012

And, for those who are still believing that the email I received is a phishing email, take a look at this, https://blogs.office.com/2016/05/05/using-windows-live-mail-2012-with-outlook-com-time-to-update-your-email-application/

This is from official Microsoft Office blog, so it's obvious that this is a serious manor and that it is going to happen for real.


Re: [TechTalk] Alert Windows Live Mail users, scam email warning

 

It's not a spam/phishing email, take a look at this https://blogs.office.com/2016/05/05/using-windows-live-mail-2012-with-outlook-com-time-to-update-your-email-application/

This is real, and...the change will happen, no matter what. To be honest I felt kind of surprised by this, having used WLM for so long.


Re: Fw: Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Brian,

Thanks very much for the explanation. I stand corrected. I don't see why microsoft wants to improve the outlook.com when it doesn't need it. Like the old saying goes, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Thanks again for the correction.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 8:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Fw: Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012

Rosemarie,

We're in agreement, but on flip sides of the same coin. I don't think that there is any reason to change the "outlook.com infrastructure" except to force users to use another of Microsoft's proprietary creations. It's not WLM that needs updating it's that outlook.com doesn't need the "improvements" they're doing.

Microsoft really doesn't learn from its past mistakes along these lines. It's one thing to roll things out, and Windows 10 is one of those things, with policies firmly in place that users will either love or hate, but can make a decision knowing what those are. To take something like e-mail, which has been about as stable as it can get as far as infrastructure goes, and muck with it, really doesn't make sense. I suspect they'll lose a lot of their e-mail users over this, as people tend to get a lot more attached to their e-mail client programs than they are to their actual e-mail providers.

Brian
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Never underestimate the difficulty of changing false beliefs by facts.
~ Henry Rosovsky


Re: Fw: Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012

 
Edited

And, for those who are still believing that the email I received is a phishing email, take a look at this, https://blogs.office.com/2016/05/05/using-windows-live-mail-2012-with-outlook-com-time-to-update-your-email-application/

This is from official Microsoft Office blog, so it's obvious that this is a serious manor and that it is going to happen for real.

Edit: Even Google's Gmail no longer work with WLM2012 unless if you turn off a security setting, which is not a wise thing to do.


Re: Fw: Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012

 

Rosemarie,

        We're in agreement, but on flip sides of the same coin.  I don't think that there is any reason to change the "outlook.com infrastructure" except to force users to use another of Microsoft's proprietary creations.  It's not WLM that needs updating it's that outlook.com doesn't need the "improvements" they're doing.

        Microsoft really doesn't learn from its past mistakes along these lines.  It's one thing to roll things out, and Windows 10 is one of those things, with policies firmly in place that users will either love or hate, but can make a decision knowing what those are.  To take something like e-mail, which has been about as stable as it can get as far as infrastructure goes, and muck with it, really doesn't make sense.  I suspect they'll lose a lot of their e-mail users over this, as people tend to get a lot more attached to their e-mail client programs than they are to their actual e-mail providers.
 
Brian
-- 

Never underestimate the difficulty of changing false beliefs by facts. 
   ~ Henry Rosovsky

    



Re: [TechTalk] Alert Windows Live Mail users, scam email warning

Arlene
 

Thank God it’s spam. I’m using outlook 2010!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: May-05-16 7:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Fwd: [TechTalk] Alert Windows Live Mail users, scam email warning

 

I am confused.  Some of you say the Windows Live Mail issue is true and this individual--having talked to Microsoft personally says I was right all along.  It is definitely spam.

 



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Subject:

[TechTalk] Alert Windows Live Mail users, scam email warning

Date:

Thu, 5 May 2016 18:55:51 -0700

From:

Michael via Groups.io <michael_boyd.70359@...>

Reply-To:

main@TechTalk.groups.io

To:

main@TechTalk.groups.io

 

Hi Group,
 
If any of you are Windows Live Mail users, there is a possibility that you may receive an email with a subject line something like:
 
“Outlook: Alert Windows Live Mail Users”
 
This email will contain the version of your WLM installation and a message saying that outlook.com is about to einitiate some changes that will make the service much better for it’s users. But, as a result of these changes, Windows Live Mail will no longer be able to sync with outlook.com. You will be offered some alternatives for your email including:
Using the Mail app in Windows 8.1 or 10.
Using the outlook.com website.
Or, Downloading and installing a free one year subscription to Office 365 Personal, which contains Outlook 2016.
I did have Office 365 Personal for awhile, and it did not include Outlook as I remember. The other thing about this email, is that it was sent from the email address: email2@..., which just looks suspicious to me, it should be from either Windows or Outlook.com. I called Microsoft support to have them check this email out, and sure enough, they came back saying that there is no such email address associated with Microsoft in any way, and that the links within the email are not linked to a Microsoft site. “This is definitely a scam email”.
 
Should you receive an email of this sort, please call Microsoft Accessibility Support before deleting it. They took a copy of the email plus an image of the actual links that were in the message which were labeled in a misleading manner.
 
Michael
 
 


Re: Fw: Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Brian,


I agree with y9ou all here. I really don't understand why microsoft doesn't bother to update windows live mail to make it better for us. It is a stupid move on their part.


Rosemarie




On 5/5/2016 6:07 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Even I'll say that this is Microsoft trying to force people into a very narrow set of mail access options for e-mail services they own.  I wonder what's going to happen to those with any of the Microsoft e-mail accounts (outlook.com, live.com, msn.com, hotmail.com) that are using other e-mail clients.  WLM 2012 supports POP and IMAP and those two access methods are what every other e-mail client I know of, including the Win8 and Win10 mail apps, use.

This is a peculiar and stupid move on Microsoft's part.

Brian
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Never underestimate the difficulty of changing false beliefs by facts. 
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[TechTalk] Alert Windows Live Mail users, scam email warning

Ron Canazzi
 

I am confused.  Some of you say the Windows Live Mail issue is true and this individual--having talked to Microsoft personally says I was right all along.  It is definitely spam.




-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: [TechTalk] Alert Windows Live Mail users, scam email warning
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 18:55:51 -0700
From: Michael via Groups.io <michael_boyd.70359@...>
Reply-To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io


Hi Group,

If any of you are Windows Live Mail users, there is a possibility that you may receive an email with a subject line something like:

“Outlook: Alert Windows Live Mail Users”

This email will contain the version of your WLM installation and a message saying that outlook.com is about to einitiate some changes that will make the service much better for it’s users. But, as a result of these changes, Windows Live Mail will no longer be able to sync with outlook.com. You will be offered some alternatives for your email including:
Using the Mail app in Windows 8.1 or 10.
Using the outlook.com website.
Or, Downloading and installing a free one year subscription to Office 365 Personal, which contains Outlook 2016.
I did have Office 365 Personal for awhile, and it did not include Outlook as I remember. The other thing about this email, is that it was sent from the email address: email2@..., which just looks suspicious to me, it should be from either Windows or Outlook.com. I called Microsoft support to have them check this email out, and sure enough, they came back saying that there is no such email address associated with Microsoft in any way, and that the links within the email are not linked to a Microsoft site. “This is definitely a scam email”.

Should you receive an email of this sort, please call Microsoft Accessibility Support before deleting it. They took a copy of the email plus an image of the actual links that were in the message which were labeled in a misleading manner.

Michael