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Re: Fw: Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012

Gene
 

As has been stated before, you can use GMail or any e-mail program accept for certain Microsoft e-mail accounts.  You don't need to do or change anything because you are not using a Mic4rosoft account.  You are using GMail.
 
Gene

Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 1:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Fw: Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012

Hi, this is helga! What od you mean? I use Gmail so you mean it will not work man! Are you serious! NO way! And i use windows live mail 2012. Now what? What email client will i use guys? I will really appreciate any suggestions! Thansk and God bless!

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On May 5, 2016, at 11:16 PM, Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

And, for those who are still believing that the email I received is a phishing email, take a look at this, https://blogs.office.com/2016/05/05/using-windows-live-mail-2012-with-outlook-com-time-to-update-your-email-application/

This is from official Microsoft Office blog, so it's obvious that this is a serious manor and that it is going to happen for real.

Edit: Even Google's Gmail no longer work with WLM2012 unless if you turn off a security setting, which is not a wise thing to do.


Re: code factory addons

 

Code factory actually remind me of valve in some ways.
Its obvious they really have no care to try to fix eloquence being its old and that.
Valve are doing the same with steam.
For the rest I am uncertain.
If I used eloquence at all which I won't be it would not be the legal one for the simple reason its got a lot of issues I wouldn't use.
Dectalk synth is low cost and should be ok even though its not eloquence and even if some of the voices are quiet at least its legal if you ask and pay a little.

On 6/05/2016 10:25 p.m., Gene wrote:
I haven't asked the owner and these are my thoughts. They are not an official response. allowing posts is not advertising. The product is legal. List members have talked about the problems with the add on when the topic has come up. People can try the demo and decide if they want to put up with the sound of Eloquence in the add on. I strongly dislike censorship and I see no reason to censor or ban posts on a legal program or add on. An informed user base gets informed in part by discussing various programs and utilities. If discussion were not allowed, users might learn about the add on in other ways and not have the benefit of those who have tried it discussing it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Isaac
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 5:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] code factory addons


Hi, to the moderators of the list, why do you allow and advertise the codefactory addon if it is so buggy. Many have complained, and no answers have been given. Just about everyone who has bought the addon has complained of sound crackling, and I have a super complaint. When I install the addon it kills my other vocalizer addon, and removes it from the synthesizer list. Are you guys just not giving a care because you get 10% of the sale, or what. People spend good money for a voice and they expect it to work. I appreciate nvda and the work put in to it, it works great, but these people are slow to respond to tickets, and if you call them during over-seas business hours, the tech support team says they will open a trouble ticket and plays dumb like the issue hasn't hardly been reported


Re: Fw: Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012

 

I didn't spot this but even if it isn't true there are some truths to this.
1. its no secret, microsoft would really to kill their live app moving everything to universals and their win10 app medium.
2. as early as last year there is no secret on them killing live mail and live in general.
3. hotmail is part of their outlook site which is also part of their business thing.
4. everying is a service model which makes sence.
So as far as it being an actual spam its a pritty piss poor one at that.
Even if it isn't fact that links in it point to official ms articles put it to be a mostly true mail.
Pluss everything it states are known there is no secret.
Ms is trying to fix their mail app to.
That doesn't mean I will use it but still.
Even if its not true in some respects most of it is no secret for users.

On 6/05/2016 9:24 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Its looking more and more like my original thoughts of this being some
form of spam was right, but where is the motive other than to confuse.
There is an active x control in it whhich is suspicious, but even
outlook express spotted it and stopped it, so I'm a bit purplexed.
A nutter perhaps, or maybe that web site mentioned has a trojan on it?
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemarie Chavarria"
<knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 3:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Fw: Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012


Hi, Brian,


I agree with y9ou all here. I really don't understand why microsoft
doesn't bother to update windows live mail to make it better for us. It
is a stupid move on their part.


Rosemarie




On 5/5/2016 6:07 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Even I'll say that this is Microsoft trying to force people into a
very narrow set of mail access options for e-mail services they own.
I wonder what's going to happen to those with any of the Microsoft
e-mail accounts (outlook.com, live.com, msn.com, hotmail.com) that are
using other e-mail clients. WLM 2012 supports POP and IMAP and those
two access methods are what every other e-mail client I know of,
including the Win8 and Win10 mail apps, use.

This is a peculiar and stupid move on Microsoft's part.

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facts. *
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Re: code factory addons

Gene
 

I haven't asked the owner and these are my thoughts.  They are not an official response.  allowing posts is not advertising.  The product is legal.  List members have talked about the problems with the add on when the topic has come up.  People can try the demo and decide if they want to put up with the sound of Eloquence in the add on.  I strongly dislike censorship and I see no reason to censor or ban posts on a legal program or add on.  An informed user base gets informed in part by discussing various programs and utilities.  If discussion were not allowed, users might learn about the add on in other ways and not have the benefit of those who have tried it discussing it. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Isaac
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 5:00 AM
Subject: [nvda] code factory addons

Hi, to the moderators of the list, why do you allow and advertise the codefactory addon if it is so buggy.  Many have complained, and no answers have been given.  Just about everyone who has bought the addon has complained of sound crackling, and I have a super complaint.  When I install the addon it kills my other vocalizer addon, and removes it from the synthesizer list.  Are you guys just not giving a care because you get 10% of the sale, or what.  People spend good money for a voice and they expect it to work.  I appreciate nvda and the work put in to it, it works great, but these people are slow to respond to tickets, and if you call them during over-seas business hours, the tech support team says they will open a trouble ticket and plays dumb like the issue hasn't hardly been reported


Re: Fw: Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012

 

Probably they will turn their back on that to, its possible they want everyone to use their mail app.
I suggest you move away and delete your outlook account, if you need an ms account make another one based on your gmail address.
Unlike with other things ms has done to us there is a way to exit and I suggest you take it as soon as you can.
Just because your business uses outlook.sucks major it doesn't mean your personal mail needs to be on there.
drop live everything to while you are at it.
Ms will probablyy make it all die anyway.

On 6/05/2016 9:14 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Does that imply that 2014 and 2016 will work then?

I notice that there was some tweak to live mail 2014 very recently in
updates. I have live mail, cannot use the mail app that was mentioned
as its lame, and so.....
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Supanut Leepaisomboon"
<supanut2000@outlook.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Fw: Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012


[Edited Message Follows]

It's not a phishing email; I just looked this subject up on Google and
it's true. This article proved that it's true.

Update for those who can't seem to access the link, the article is at
http://www.windowscentral.com/microsofts-windows-live-mail-2012-wont-send-or-receive-email-outlookcom-accounts




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Re: Fw: Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012

 

I agree even when it was hotmail it was still bad to much spam.
Thats one part of ms I havn't liked.

On 6/05/2016 9:12 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I'm not sure myself, buyt normally such changes talke place and
phishing folk tag on to them to take advantage of the confusion when it
happens. A while vack now I had a genuine email from Microsoft with a
message saying that as a hotmail user, great new facilities will be
coming shortly, so one has to wonder.
However my comments I have made here and in the message I am writing to
send next are a good idea in any case. I do not like the Outlook online
email system.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Fw: Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012


I bet this is a phishing e-mail. Notice the incorrect address for the
Outlook site.



On 5/5/2016 7:23 PM, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:
Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012



From: Outlook
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 02:26
To: supanut2000@outlook.com
Subject: Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012

Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012. Dear
User, Earlier this year we announced updates to Outlook.com that will
help you collaborate with others, focus on what matters, and get more
done.

Action required for users of Windows Live
Mail 2012


Dear User,

Earlier this year we introduced a new
Outl‍ook‍.‍com that will help you collaborate with others, focus on
what matters, and get more done. The new Outlo‍ok‍.‍com delivers an
exciting set of new experiences across web, phone, and desktop, and
we’re eager for you to start using it.

It appears that you are currently using Windows
Live Mail 2012 to connect to your Out‍look‍.‍com account. Windows Live
Mail 2012 does not support the synchronization technologies used by
the new Outl‍ook‍.‍com. When account upgrades begin at the end of
June, you will no longer be able to receive email sent to your
Out‍look‍.‍com account in Windows Live Mail 2012. Rest assured, you
can always access your email by logging into Out‍look‍.‍com from any
web browser, and you will continue to have access to all your data
that is currently in Windows Live Mail 2012.

If you currently use Windows Live Mail 2012, we
recommend that you switch to the Mail app in Windows to‍day. The Mail
app is built in to Windows 8/8.1 and Windows 10, and has a more modern
design. To begin using it, simply launch the app and add your
Out‍look‍.‍com account.

If you are using Windows 7, you can upgrade to a
newer version of Windows to enjoy the Mail app and the other benefits.
If you do not wish to upgrade, you can access your account via a web
browser, or, you can take advantage of a free one-year subscription of
Office 365 Personal, and use Outl‍ook 2016 to connect to your
account.* This Off‍ice 365 subscription also includes other
productivity applications such as Word, PowerPoint and Excel. It works
on Windows 7, Windows 8/8.1, and Windows 10.

Please take action before Ju‍ne 30th, 2016, which
is when we’ll begin upgrading accounts that currently use Windows Live
Mail 2012. If you have more questions, please find answers to common
FAQs in this help article, or you can contact Microsoft support.

We recognize that changes like this can be
difficult, and apologize for any inconvenience this causes you. We
hope that you’ll enjoy the benefits of moving to the new Outl‍ook‍.‍com.

Sincerely,
Outl‍ook‍.‍com team



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Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012. Dear User,
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Re: Fw: Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012

 

Well hotmail is now outlook.com
In fact I don't even think you can link some of these older accounts via pop.
The only reason I have an msn account is that when I moved away from my isp, 20 years or so back it was never recalled.
It has no mailbox attached to it and can not be used as an outlook account or anything.
It can be used for other things.
I have my gmail account as an alternit but thats just about it.
Even when I had to use hotmail as part of my disability indipendance course I hated its restrictions even then and this was back in 2001.
It was bad then and worse now.
If you are in a business with a lot of things well.
Saying that I would always have a backup.
I am happy I pulled out of the ms previding mail scene ages ago.
As for email clients eudora7 was good, now thunderbird is as long as it doesn't die.
If it does I am unsure where I would go.

On 6/05/2016 9:09 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
So what about other email clients in use, what about older accounts like
hotmail.
Luckily I only have one hotmail account.
To me this smacks of centre of the universe syndrome. Best advice seems
to be to use another email provider of free emails with eirher a better
online interface or still uses pop3 and any old email client.
I use Outlook express and I suspect a lot still do from looking at
headers of emails I see here.
If they are going to make a bespoke system they cshould publish how it
works so third parties can emulate the protocol on their clients in my
view, or expect to be left behind by the m leaving of people who do not
want things t change for changes sake.
brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Supanut Leepaisomboon"
<supanut2000@outlook.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 12:23 AM
Subject: [nvda] Fw: Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012


Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012



From: Outlook
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 02:26
To: supanut2000@outlook.com
Subject: Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012

Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012. Dear
User, Earlier this year we announced updates to Outlook.com that will
help you collaborate with others, focus on what matters, and get more done.

Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012


Dear User,

Earlier this year we introduced a new Outl‍ook‍.‍com
that will help you collaborate with others, focus on what matters, and
get more done. The new Outlo‍ok‍.‍com delivers an exciting set of new
experiences across web, phone, and desktop, and we’re eager for you to
start using it.

It appears that you are currently using Windows Live
Mail 2012 to connect to your Out‍look‍.‍com account. Windows Live Mail
2012 does not support the synchronization technologies used by the new
Outl‍ook‍.‍com. When account upgrades begin at the end of June, you will
no longer be able to receive email sent to your Out‍look‍.‍com account
in Windows Live Mail 2012. Rest assured, you can always access your
email by logging into Out‍look‍.‍com from any web browser, and you will
continue to have access to all your data that is currently in Windows
Live Mail 2012.

If you currently use Windows Live Mail 2012, we
recommend that you switch to the Mail app in Windows to‍day. The Mail
app is built in to Windows 8/8.1 and Windows 10, and has a more modern
design. To begin using it, simply launch the app and add your
Out‍look‍.‍com account.

If you are using Windows 7, you can upgrade to a newer
version of Windows to enjoy the Mail app and the other benefits. If you
do not wish to upgrade, you can access your account via a web browser,
or, you can take advantage of a free one-year subscription of Office 365
Personal, and use Outl‍ook 2016 to connect to your account.* This
Off‍ice 365 subscription also includes other productivity applications
such as Word, PowerPoint and Excel. It works on Windows 7, Windows
8/8.1, and Windows 10.

Please take action before Ju‍ne 30th, 2016, which is
when we’ll begin upgrading accounts that currently use Windows Live Mail
2012. If you have more questions, please find answers to common FAQs in
this help article, or you can contact Microsoft support.

We recognize that changes like this can be difficult,
and apologize for any inconvenience this causes you. We hope that you’ll
enjoy the benefits of moving to the new Outl‍ook‍.‍com.

Sincerely,
Outl‍ook‍.‍com team



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Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012. Dear User, Earlier
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collaborate with others, focus on what matters, and get more done.




Re: code factory addons

 

Because its legal.
To be honest I am unsure what to do if I got eloquence but the cracked one runs better than the legal, saying that, the synth is really old and in fact someone on my twitter that uses it says its spelling more and more words with wrong pronouncements.
I have it on my phone but on here I don't know.
I have tried different configurations and to be honest I'll take crapity espeak over anything because of its speed and loading capibilities alone.
I can run it on a single core and no lag, even with 128mb of ram or less.
When I had older readers I struggled to make orpheus, eloquence or whatever synth I had even a low quality as low as espeak on any single core without a stutter or a crash.
And to be honest espeak reminds me of the old keynote gold which was what I came from, actually I went to a gemini, then orpheus then here.
I never discovered actual synths that were of high quality till last year or so.

On 6/05/2016 10:00 p.m., Isaac wrote:
Hi, to the moderators of the list, why do you allow and advertise the codefactory addon if it is so buggy. Many have complained, and no answers have been given. Just about everyone who has bought the addon has complained of sound crackling, and I have a super complaint. When I install the addon it kills my other vocalizer addon, and removes it from the synthesizer list. Are you guys just not giving a care because you get 10% of the sale, or what. People spend good money for a voice and they expect it to work. I appreciate nvda and the work put in to it, it works great, but these people are slow to respond to tickets, and if you call them during over-seas business hours, the tech support team says they will open a trouble ticket and plays dumb like the issue hasn't hardly been reported


Re: Fw: Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012

Peter Beasley
 

The answer is simple. C
hange your e-mail account.
 

Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 2:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Fw: Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012
 

Even I'll say that this is Microsoft trying to force people into a very narrow set of mail access options for e-mail services they own.  I wonder what's going to happen to those with any of the Microsoft e-mail accounts (outlook.com, live.com, msn.com, hotmail.com) that are using other e-mail clients.  WLM 2012 supports POP and IMAP and those two access methods are what every other e-mail client I know of, including the Win8 and Win10 mail apps, use.

This is a peculiar and stupid move on Microsoft's part.

Brian
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Re: Outlook.com keyboard shortcuts

 

Well at least skype desktop I can get used to.
On the outlook front, I used hotmail in outlook express but never liked it much it was a student thing.
I stayed with my isp which itself was allied with microsoft but went to yahoo.
Just before that though my dad's work meant we had to get gmail addresses for the cloud services.
And I am happy I did.
The only issue with google bar the privacy things which by the way I am more than willing to overlook is the toolbar which can get easily uninstalled.
Google has a lot more services, and while they may take control of your life, system and privacy, they outway this by adding more services.
I mean android, the gps and maps, the cloud storage and the photos.
Never mind the search and the fact that some bits of mozilla stuff is based off their crome engine which aparently while like ms they keep breaking is starting to work.
A strength google has that ms hasn't that bar our information and privacy and identities google has not demanded any payment for most of its services bar services for businesses including translation and business cloud services and a few other things to increase storage and translations and a few other things.
Generally though the major services are free ones even for casual users, and heck if my privacy is worth that much to them they can have all of it for what I get in return.
Yahoo would be my second choice but its antispam system unlike google's just never gets on with me and there are some issues on the isp that uses it now with attachments not downloading over 200kb in size.
Worse its had several breaches here in new zealand that while had been resolved in other places never got done right here.
Then there is microsoft.
Msn messenger and windows messenger were the bitg things when I started.
And heck their ms account is not that bad, however with the latest windows 8 and 10 oses they have started making it a challenge not to get frustraited with them.
The cortana is one thing, the worse thing is converting local to ms without anyy care what the users wanted.
I have people that use outlook.com via the web and thats fine.
I however am happy I pulled out of ms when I did.
They are good as a company but bar skype I am happy I stayed away from a lot of their so called services.
Ofcause it doesn't help that for a long time business interests are what ms has been geard to the home and gaming users are on the side.
Heck if google sold info to the highest bidder I guess I'd still use them as long as I got no trouble.
I also like companies that do things with no strings and that are stable.
I havn't seen google crash more than a couple times.
The only problem I have had once was when the australia nz link had a data centre drive failier and that slowed down everything till info was rerouted and it was fixed quickly enough.
I am not sure exactly if this is true but google has put everyone equal, it started as a consumer company and has largely stayed the same.
I do think microsoft should follow example here.
If they removed all the crazy restrictions in the last couple years which is all they have to do by the way I could live with it.
Instead I have to hold off upgrades till the last possible moment or something to hope I can get in then try to make it up as I go along till the next twist of the screw.
However, since 90% of pc users basically use it and its most common os its not like you can say bugger it and run away.
And even if I was one of the minority htat did on my own terms it wouldn't mean I could leave it entirely for admin purposes.
And to be hones to stay familiar with something even if you don't like it you need to actively use it to continue.
Saying this windowslive has been on the dieing train for a number of months now and its no secret.
I have had to remove it from most of the systems that had it on because it slowed down things.
And lets face it,ms don't own the space anymore.

On 6/05/2016 9:09 p.m., Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:
Hi all,

After some Googling around, I came across this. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/outlook/keyboard-shortcuts

This Microsoft support page lists the available keyboard shortcuts in Outlook.com, so this should help any of you who are concerned about the inability to use WLM2012 after June.

I know change like this is a pain, but...let's face it we all have been through such change. Remember the time when Microsoft announced that it will discontinue Windows Live Messenger? I'm sure many of you have the same feeling of not wanting to change to Skype, but...what can we do when we don't much of a voice...


Suggestion to moderators

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

Could it be possible that this list only sends out plain text versions of emails sent to it. I'm a bit worried that the scam Outlook mail which was forwarded here referred to an active X control via its html portion. OK so most of us probably blocked this, but it seems to me that this should not be allowed to occur on a list where beginners might be around reading the messages.
This is a security issue in my opinion, and I do not know what other email clients might do when this control is requested, seeing as I have no idea if its a benign one or malicious.
Brian

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code factory addons

Isaac <bigikemusic@...>
 

Hi, to the moderators of the list, why do you allow and advertise the codefactory addon if it is so buggy.  Many have complained, and no answers have been given.  Just about everyone who has bought the addon has complained of sound crackling, and I have a super complaint.  When I install the addon it kills my other vocalizer addon, and removes it from the synthesizer list.  Are you guys just not giving a care because you get 10% of the sale, or what.  People spend good money for a voice and they expect it to work.  I appreciate nvda and the work put in to it, it works great, but these people are slow to respond to tickets, and if you call them during over-seas business hours, the tech support team says they will open a trouble ticket and plays dumb like the issue hasn't hardly been reported


Re: Feature request: List of clickable elements in Elements List dialog and single letter navigation for clickable elements

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

I think something like this has been suggested before, but the term clickable covers a multitude of objects not just one type such as a link. Would it perhaps be better to combine it with links list and have the ones that are clickable either before or after or mixed in with as regards their position?

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bhavya shah" <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Feature request: List of clickable elements in Elements List dialog and single letter navigation for clickable elements


Hi Victor,
Thanks for the ticket link. I have added my comment on there.
Thanks.

On 5/6/16, 蔡宗豪 Victor Cai <surfer0627@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Please see 124 for quick navigation key request issue:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/124

Thanks.

Regards

Victor


2016-05-06 12:00 GMT+08:00, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com>:
Dear all,
As the subject line quite clearly suggests, my request is to add a
feature in the NVDA Elements List dialog which includes the listing of
clickable elements on the page too. Also, a particular key (which may
remain unassigned by default, if needed) should be able to navigate to
the clickable elements.
Before filing a ticket for the same, I was in doubt if this proposal
had already been brought up in the past or if it is worthy of a new
ticket being filed.
Thanks.

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Re: Microsoft Outlook Scam!

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Did they explain what the motives might be, if its the active x then its blocked normally.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 4:57 AM
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft Outlook Scam!


Hi Group,


As concerns the Outlook.com issue: I just talked to the disability line
at Microsoft (1-800-936-5900) and this Outlook business is definitely a
scam. There is already a case number 133-830-4258 open and being
investigated.


If you get any further e-mails or web page references, forward such
e-mails to the 2 following addresses:

abuse@microsoft.com

abuse@outlook.com


Hopefully, this will resolve the controversy!



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Re: Fw: Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012

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Its looking more and more like my original thoughts of this being some form of spam was right, but where is the motive other than to confuse. There is an active x control in it whhich is suspicious, but even outlook express spotted it and stopped it, so I'm a bit purplexed.
A nutter perhaps, or maybe that web site mentioned has a trojan on it?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 3:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Fw: Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012


Hi, Brian,


I agree with y9ou all here. I really don't understand why microsoft
doesn't bother to update windows live mail to make it better for us. It
is a stupid move on their part.


Rosemarie




On 5/5/2016 6:07 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Even I'll say that this is Microsoft trying to force people into a
very narrow set of mail access options for e-mail services they own.
I wonder what's going to happen to those with any of the Microsoft
e-mail accounts (outlook.com, live.com, msn.com, hotmail.com) that are
using other e-mail clients. WLM 2012 supports POP and IMAP and those
two access methods are what every other e-mail client I know of,
including the Win8 and Win10 mail apps, use.

This is a peculiar and stupid move on Microsoft's part.

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Re: [TechTalk] Alert Windows Live Mail users, scam email warning

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If that is so then, where is the pay back for it. Most email clients spot the active x control in it and stop it running so if this was a back doord device, it won't work.

Other than that unless they are selling something, it seems pointless.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 3:55 AM
Subject: [nvda] Fwd: [TechTalk] Alert Windows Live Mail users, scam email warning


I am confused. Some of you say the Windows Live Mail issue is true and
this individual--having talked to Microsoft personally says I was right
all along. It is definitely spam.




-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: [TechTalk] Alert Windows Live Mail users, scam email warning
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 18:55:51 -0700
From: Michael via Groups.io <michael_boyd.70359=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Reply-To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Hi Group,

If any of you are Windows Live Mail users, there is a possibility that you may receive an email with a subject line something like:

“Outlook: Alert Windows Live Mail Users”

This email will contain the version of your WLM installation and a message saying that outlook.com is about to einitiate some changes that will make the service much better for it’s users. But, as a result of these changes, Windows Live Mail will no longer be able to sync with outlook.com. You will be offered some alternatives for your email including:
Using the Mail app in Windows 8.1 or 10.
Using the outlook.com website.
Or, Downloading and installing a free one year subscription to Office 365 Personal, which contains Outlook 2016.
I did have Office 365 Personal for awhile, and it did not include Outlook as I remember. The other thing about this email, is that it was sent from the email address: email2@outlook.office.com, which just looks suspicious to me, it should be from either Windows or Outlook.com. I called Microsoft support to have them check this email out, and sure enough, they came back saying that there is no such email address associated with Microsoft in any way, and that the links within the email are not linked to a Microsoft site. “This is definitely a scam email”.

Should you receive an email of this sort, please call Microsoft Accessibility Support before deleting it. They took a copy of the email plus an image of the actual links that were in the message which were labeled in a misleading manner.

Michael


Re: Fw: Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012

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Which is why I was initially suspicious that it might be some form of phishin email, but unless its elaborate enough to have its own web site address then its true.
Maybe they just want eveyone to leave so they can shut down their own email service. I have also noticed that I'm getting emails from bing as well on Hotmail, I have not read them as I thought they were junk mail.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 2:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Fw: Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012


Even I'll say that this is Microsoft trying to force people into a very narrow set of mail access options for e-mail services they own. I wonder what's going to happen to those with any of the Microsoft e-mail accounts (outlook.com, live.com, msn.com, hotmail.com) that are using other e-mail clients. WLM 2012 supports POP and IMAP and those two access methods are what every other e-mail client I know of, including the Win8 and Win10 mail apps, use.

This is a peculiar and stupid move on Microsoft's part.
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Re: Strange symbols

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Seems to be OK though that message posted that is suspicious from Outlook earlier waned me of dodgy active x in the email and just showed me the plain text instead.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 12:51 AM
Subject: [nvda] Strange symbols


Your messages are coming through fine here and I use Thunderbird.


On 5/5/2016 3:05 AM, David Moore wrote:
Hi guys,
David Moore here. This is strange that my messages sound like there is
some symbol in them, because I am using Windows Live Mail on a laptop
with win10. How does this message sound?
*From:* Ron Canazzi <mailto:aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 4, 2016 8:11 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] very good news about audio conversion soft ware

Hi Gene,

When replying, the issue does not exist. I don't see any odd
characters in the place of spaces. I am sure it is something to do
with just how Thunderbird is rendering his original messages. I have
seen this a few times with some individuals located in foreign
countries, so maybe it could be something to do with a font type.


On 5/4/2016 3:15 PM, Gene wrote:
I should alter what I said. I should say that, in reading the messages quoted under yours, I didn't have any problems reading the first two or three. I didn't read further. According to Ron's message, others appear to have problems reading one of these messages in their original form. Unless the problem is solved, what happens if you issue the reply command and try to read the message?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 12:21 PM
To:nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] very good news about audio conversion soft ware


Hi Rosemarie,

I hear that oddity with his messages too. What is happening is that the spaces between words are some sort of unrecognizable character--unrecognizable to screen readers and certain synthesizers I would guess. I think it may be because he is sending his messages from an IPhone or other IOS device. It is interpreting his spaces between words as some sort of character.


On 5/4/2016 12:58 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, David,


This message sounds so strange--like it's in a foreign language.


Rosemarie




On 5/4/2016 2:18 AM, David Moore wrote:

There is a program called unchecky that will allow you to install any software without any adds, or any unwanted software getting downloaded with what you want. Free Make might download and install better if you install the unchecky software. Just do a Google search for unchecky. Take care.


-----Original Message----- From: Ben J. Bloomgren
Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2016 3:23 AM
To:nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] very good news about audio conversion soft ware

How do you issue that command? Do you put it after the extension or before it?

Ben


On May 4, 2016, at 00:16, Shaun Everissmailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com wrote:

freemake does have opencandy in it though you will have to do a /nocandy on the installer so it does not load with adds.




On 4/05/2016 5:55 p.m., David Moore wrote:
Hi,
If you want to convert a file into different formats. Free Make video converter is your ticket. It is free and very accessible.
www.freemake.com/free_video_converter 1.. Cached
2.. Similar

Freemake Video Converter converts video between 500+ formats and gadgets free! Convert to MP4, MP3, AVI, MKV, iPhone, Android. ... Freemake Video Converter supports all popular and rare formats: MP4, AVI, MKV, WMV, MP3, DVD, 3GP, SWF, FLV, HD, MOV, RM, QT, Divx, Xvid, TS, MTS, Fraps .
Also, There is a website where you can upload your file and have it converted into many different formats:
www.convertfiles.com
There are two great options for you. Free make is very powerful, and the convertfiles web site is good as well. I wish you the best.

From: Bobby
Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 9:25 PM
To:nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] very good news about audio conversion soft ware

no I don't mean rip I mean converting audio that I record or down load from the internet. I don't know whare or how to add files to convert.




On 5/3/2016 9:04 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

Once the Windows media player opens pressed the Control plus 3 to change it to suggestion view panel. Then, right-click and arrow down to select the More Option. Tab till you reach tab panel that says Rip Music. then, select the preferred settings or conversion to rip your music into different format like mp3, wma, and so on.


Robert MendozaOn 5/4/2016 8:25 AM, Bobby wrote:

Well I just learned some thing new. I never you could convert audio windows media player I only new you can rip with it. Can you please tell me ware the convert option is on windows media player because I can't find that option at all.


On 5/3/2016 7:16 PM, Patrick Le Baudour wrote:

Hum, if it's for converting into mp3 or wma, windows media player does it, no need for anything else... and having never used iTunes, i have no idea of what it can or can't do, I thought it was mainly for buying music from apple.

-- Patrick
Le 03/05/2016 à 23:14, Christopher-Mark Gilland a écrit :

Goodness gracious, yall! Why not just use ITunes to rip for crying out
loud! Is it mainly because ITunes doesn't support the formats you all
wanna rip into? If so, then OK, point taken, but otherwise... really?
---
Christopher Gilland




















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Re: Fw: Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012

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Does that imply that 2014 and 2016 will work then?

I notice that there was some tweak to live mail 2014 very recently in updates. I have live mail, cannot use the mail app that was mentioned as its lame, and so.....
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Supanut Leepaisomboon" <supanut2000@outlook.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Fw: Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012


[Edited Message Follows]

It's not a phishing email; I just looked this subject up on Google and it's true. This article proved that it's true.

Update for those who can't seem to access the link, the article is at http://www.windowscentral.com/microsofts-windows-live-mail-2012-wont-send-or-receive-email-outlookcom-accounts


Re: Fw: Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012

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I'm not sure myself, buyt normally such changes talke place and phishing folk tag on to them to take advantage of the confusion when it happens. A while vack now I had a genuine email from Microsoft with a message saying that as a hotmail user, great new facilities will be coming shortly, so one has to wonder.
However my comments I have made here and in the message I am writing to send next are a good idea in any case. I do not like the Outlook online email system.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Fw: Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012


I bet this is a phishing e-mail. Notice the incorrect address for the
Outlook site.



On 5/5/2016 7:23 PM, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:
Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012



From: Outlook
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 02:26
To: supanut2000@outlook.com
Subject: Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012

Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012. Dear User, Earlier this year we announced updates to Outlook.com that will help you collaborate with others, focus on what matters, and get more done.

Action required for users of Windows Live Mail 2012


Dear User,

Earlier this year we introduced a new Outl‍ook‍.‍com that will help you collaborate with others, focus on what matters, and get more done. The new Outlo‍ok‍.‍com delivers an exciting set of new experiences across web, phone, and desktop, and we’re eager for you to start using it.

It appears that you are currently using Windows Live Mail 2012 to connect to your Out‍look‍.‍com account. Windows Live Mail 2012 does not support the synchronization technologies used by the new Outl‍ook‍.‍com. When account upgrades begin at the end of June, you will no longer be able to receive email sent to your Out‍look‍.‍com account in Windows Live Mail 2012. Rest assured, you can always access your email by logging into Out‍look‍.‍com from any web browser, and you will continue to have access to all your data that is currently in Windows Live Mail 2012.

If you currently use Windows Live Mail 2012, we recommend that you switch to the Mail app in Windows to‍day. The Mail app is built in to Windows 8/8.1 and Windows 10, and has a more modern design. To begin using it, simply launch the app and add your Out‍look‍.‍com account.

If you are using Windows 7, you can upgrade to a newer version of Windows to enjoy the Mail app and the other benefits. If you do not wish to upgrade, you can access your account via a web browser, or, you can take advantage of a free one-year subscription of Office 365 Personal, and use Outl‍ook 2016 to connect to your account.* This Off‍ice 365 subscription also includes other productivity applications such as Word, PowerPoint and Excel. It works on Windows 7, Windows 8/8.1, and Windows 10.

Please take action before Ju‍ne 30th, 2016, which is when we’ll begin upgrading accounts that currently use Windows Live Mail 2012. If you have more questions, please find answers to common FAQs in this help article, or you can contact Microsoft support.

We recognize that changes like this can be difficult, and apologize for any inconvenience this causes you. We hope that you’ll enjoy the benefits of moving to the new Outl‍ook‍.‍com.

Sincerely,
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