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Re: How to spell out Roman numerals

 

Janet,

           Thanks for the follow-up.  I am now looking at this closely due to an unexpected peculiarity in how the pattern matching in the NVDA dictionary works.  The not substituting for the single letter I will help quite a bit, as the rest of the roman numerals will work.  By the way, I just realized after typing out the rest of the message that the two entries for RN 5 and RN 10 should be entered in your dictionary BEFORE the one that covers all the other RNs due to the peculiarity I allude to.

            Because the pronoun I is now out of the picture, I will suggest that you use a variant on Luke's proposed regular expression for matching, as it eliminates a number of issues related to the peculiarity to which I make reference.  Since you have said you only need the Roman numerals one through ten, and we've now dropped one/the pronoun I, I am going to modify his regular expression only to accommodate that, and make it shorter for copy and paste.  Were you looking for any Roman numeral up to 9 "Roman digits" long, I wouldn't even consider touching it.  Give this a try as the pattern, and I can omit the colon part of matching now, too:

\b([IXV])([IXV])([I])?([I])?([a-zA-Z])?\b

and this as the replacement:

\1 \2 \3 \4 \5

Oddly enough, the above will work for every Roman numeral between two and nine, except 5, because 5 is a single V followed by nothing, and also omits RN ten, because it's a single letter X, so you need two additional entries to cover those two.  Here's the pattern for RN 5:

\b(V)([a-zA-Z])?\b

and the replacement:

\1 \2

and for RN 10:

\b(X)([a-zA-Z])?\b

and the replacement:

\1 \2

All of the above presume the Roman numeral with possible optional letter afterward will be free-standing, that is, with whitespace (whether space, tab, newline, etc.) immediately before or after, at a word boundary.  Essentially they're their own "words."  If you know that you could have any specific punctuation coming immediately afterward, and know what specific punctuation marks are involved, I'd need to tweak to account for that.

Unless you're dealing with a text that includes Greek letter names written out, the above should not prove problematic.
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Re: latest version of vocalizer expressive driver for NVDA

Gene
 

Not necessarily. One of the companies that provides synthesizers uses a system that it may not want to use. I don't know why it does but it’s a very bad system.

A new driver is released from time to time which runs until a certain date. It is the same date for everyone, no matter when they install it. If you install it one day before the date, it will expire the next day. If you install it after it expires it won't work for any period of time. That is likely what the problem is and as far as I know, there is nothing to do but wait for another driver.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Smart
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2020 4:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] lateest version of vocalizer expressive driver for NVDA



You must have tried it in the past.




consider buying the product.




Or, maybe write Code Factory a nice email and ask for an extension of the demo period? It's worth a try.







On 2020-11-09 5:22 p.m., Samuel Villa wrote:


I don’t mean to complain, but when I install the driver and a voice it says that the demo expired. I really want to try this product. Could somebody try to get me in the right direction? Thanks.


Re: latest version of vocalizer expressive driver for NVDA

Chris Smart
 

You must have tried it in the past.


consider buying the product.


Or, maybe write Code Factory a nice email and ask for an extension of the demo period? It's worth a try.



On 2020-11-09 5:22 p.m., Samuel Villa wrote:

I don’t mean to complain, but when I install the driver and a voice it says that the demo expired. I really want to try this product. Could somebody try to get me in the right direction? Thanks.


Re: table navigation issues

 

Well I am on a food ordering service which I use.

The sight is really crankey and stupid.

On all brousers the edge etc the site will crash and windows will become unresponsive.

Even on chrome its really crashy.

On the tablet my dad uses its really slow so yeah, its the site being so slow when loading it literally times out what is acceptable and has a lot of other access niggles.

That being said the food and the company are good to work with and the food is good to eat but oh well.

On 9/11/2020 11:56 pm, Gerry wrote:
I get a similar problem on a banking site. I use latest MS Edge and when I use T for table and then try to navigate the table using Cntrl+Alt plus cursor arrows, nvda says, not in a table cell. I then have to navigate along the rows rather than up and down the rows. It is annoying, but I can still get what I want.

Gerry



On 09/11/2020 10:42, Sean Randall wrote:
This works fine for me in Chrome and Firefox.
My only annoyance is that t for table puts me on the caption, so I cannot immediately use CTRL+alt+cursors to navigate by row or column.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Le Baudour
Sent: 09 November 2020 10:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] table navigation issues

Hi,

not sure it is what you're looking for, but anyway, using firefox, tables in microsoft docs can't be browsed using table navigation, e.g.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/system.net.http.httpclient?view=netcore-3.1
for constructors properties, members, events, etc.
It did work properly on at least one other browser - i think it was internet explorer.

-- Patrick
Le 09/11/2020 à 09:25, Sean Murphy a écrit :
All,

I am seeking for examples where NVDA does not correctly navigate web
tables. This is a project I am involved in at work. We are collecting
good and bad examples of tables. So if you have any web pages with
tables that NVDA does not work with. Please share.




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Re: table navigation issues

Janet Brandly
 

Regarding material looking like tables but not actually being tables, I see
this a lot in email messages and sometimes in PDF documents.
Hope this helps,
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: November 9, 2020 1:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] table navigation issues

I would think this isn't related to your project, but I see instances where
things look like tables to sighted readers but are not, so a screen-reader
can't read them in any sort of logical manner. How often this happens, I
don't know and it may be to an extent the sites I happen to look at a good
deal but it is nonetheless an accessibility issue to present something that
looks like a table and isn't

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Murphy
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2020 2:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] table navigation issues



All,



I am seeking for examples where NVDA does not correctly navigate web tables.

This is a project I am involved in at work. We are collecting good and bad
examples of tables. So if you have any web pages with tables that NVDA does
not work with. Please share.


Re: latest version of vocalizer expressive driver for NVDA

Samuel Villa
 

I don’t mean to complain, but when I install the driver and a voice it says that the demo expired. I really want to try this product. Could somebody try to get me in the right direction? Thanks.


Re: How to spell out Roman numerals

Janet Brandly
 

Hi Brian,

 

Okay, I won’t install that list yet. With regard to the word ‘I” versus the Roman numeral I, because the word is more common in language than the Roman numeral, let’s just leave it as it is; i.e., NVDA will say the word “I” regardless and I will just have to doublecheck if I am working in a context where the Roman numeral may be a possibility. Hopefully that makes it easier all around.

 

Janet

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: November 8, 2020 3:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to spell out Roman numerals

 

Janet,

            If you have not already entered those rules hold off on doing so for two reasons:

1.  I have just learned that dictionary processing does not terminate after the first successful match, but continues down the list, using the substituted text for subsequent processing each time a match is found, until the end of the list is reached.  So I need to consider the order again to make this successful.

2.  It's likely I can remove the trailing colon requirement for all but Roman numeral one, unless it works better to assume it's there, then that needn't be changed

The big problem here is really the Roman numeral one, and having some very clear way of differentiating it from the pronoun I, and that is not at all easy sans some other delimiter used with it to make that differentiation clear.

I'm not going to work on this further until I see a response from you, as it's clear that this is going to be an iterative process until we nail down precisely what will work based on the text you're generally processing, which looks to be medical in nature.
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Re: How to spell out Roman numerals

Janet Brandly
 

Hi Brian,

 

Thank you for doing this. I will try it and let you know how it works.

 

Janet

 

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: November 7, 2020 7:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to spell out Roman numerals

 

Janet,

Below is the list of 10 regular expressions, followed by what you use for the replacement, that you need to enter in your speech dictionary in the order listed.  I emphasize again: in the order listed.

This is important because I believe (and am waiting for confirmation) that the speech dictionary (or any dictionary) has its entries processed in order, and on the first match the replacement is passed to the synthesizer and the processing for that "word/character cluster" stops.  If you had the entry for Roman numeral one first, it would snag Roman numerals 4, 3, and 2 incorrectly since all of them are composed of a collection of capital Is.

In addition, I am going to presume from your example that all of these Roman numeral, with possible optional letter, sequences must have a colon after the last character of the sequence with no space between the two.  If there is no colon then the match will not work, and that's by design, as I do not want the pronoun I to be captured as Roman numeral one.

If you want the word "Roman" or something else in front of the individual characters of the numeral before they're read out one by one then stick that in front of the first character of the replacement string.  I just went for the individual letters making up the numeral, along with the letter following it, if that letter is present.

The regular expressions all start with a backslash and end with a question mark.  The replacement strings all end with backslash one (the digit 1).  When working with the dictionary to add entries, the regular expression goes in the Pattern edit box, the replacement string in the Replacement box, and the Type radio button must be set to regular expression.

\s?IIII([a-z])?:\s?    I I I I \1

 

\s?III([a-z])?:\s?    I I I \1

 

\s?II([a-z])?:\s?    I I \1

 

\s?I([a-z])?:\s?    I \1

 

\s?IV([a-z])?:\s?    I V \1

 

\s?VIII([a-z])?:\s?    V I I I \1

 

\s?VII([a-z])?:\s?    V I I \1

 

\s?VI([a-z])?:\s?    V I \1

 

\s?V([a-z])?:\s?    V \1

 

\s?IX([a-z])?:\s?    I X \1

 

\s?X([a-z])?:\s?    X \1



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Re: How to spell out Roman numerals

Janet Brandly
 

Hi Brian,

 

Sorry for taking so long to respond. The letters following the Roman numerals, whether they are in lower-case or upper-case, would likely only need to go to E.

 

Thanks,

 

Janet

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: November 7, 2020 4:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to spell out Roman numerals

 

Janet,

        Thanks.  I'll post what you need to use a bit later this evening.  I will only ask this one time again, are the letters after the numeral limited to a certain set?  If not, I'll look for lowercase A through lowercase Z, but if it should only be A through F (or something similar) let me know.  That's very easy to tweak.

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locked Re: Captcha Solver

 

A topic entitled, Webvism, has been created by Gene on the Chat Subgroup, for those who wish to further discuss this.  But, as a public service, I do want to share something from his topic here:

Unless this has changed, and I haven't heard that it has, you can use
Webvism with an old version of Firefox, the last being 5X versions. You can
get a portable version of 5X and still use your current browser for general
browsing, only using the 5X version where necessary for captchas. Many
captchas are now solvable with audio challenges but some aren't.

Any further discussion of Captcha Solvers, any one of them, should occur on the Chat Subgroup.  They're not connected to NVDA (or any individual screen reader) in any meaningful way, although the same demographic often uses both.
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locked Re: Captcha Solver

 

By the way, this really is not an NVDA-related question, and should be taken up on the Chat Subgroup if further discussion is desired.  This topic is now locked on the main group.
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locked Re: Captcha Solver

 

Webvisum has been dead, dead, dead for a long time now and all efforts I (and others that I know about) had made to contact the developers went unanswered.

The only one I'm aware of now is Rumola under Chromium-based browsers, and it is paid, but quite inexpensive.  They give a 5-Captcha trial, but then it's 99 cents for 50 Captcha solves or $1.95 for 150 Captcha solves.

At the moment, I am unaware of any free ones.
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locked Captcha Solver

Bhavya shah
 

Dear all,

I am in need of a captcha solving extension/software/service. I am not
sure if Webvisum, the popular one for Firefox back in the day, still
works, and one or two others that come to mind are paid. I would truly
appreciate any suggestions regarding a free automated captcha solving
service that I can employ as an NVDA user.

Thanks.

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Re: Onelook.com - Interaction with NVDA unlike anything I've ever experienced - Is there a logical explanation

 

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 12:01 PM, Robert Logue wrote:
Can't close the auto correct button when focused.
-
Uh, what "auto correct" button.  I have never seen an auto correct button on the Onelook.com website.
 
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Re: Onelook.com - Interaction with NVDA unlike anything I've ever experienced - Is there a logical explanation

Robert Logue
 

Onelook is hard for me to use.  Can't easily select the word you want on the first suggestions list.

Can't close the auto correct button when focused.

Many tabs to go between sections.


Bob


On 2020-11-05 6:02 p.m., Brian Vogel wrote:
There are a couple of really weird goings on with NVDA and the Onelook results page, and I can't figure out "who's at fault."  I had offered this as a possible choice for online dictionary since it is a multi-dictionary search that presents things (visually, anyway) in a very straightforward manner.  This was on the JAWS list, and someone noted they couldn't search by headings (which is unsurprising, since that's not how the page presents results) but when I went digging further, things got stranger.  What follows is my post there afterward, which I'd like to get some eyes on here:

You are right that you can't navigate by headings, as headings are not used in the presentation of results.  The word searched on has links to each dictionary's information for it.  If I hit NVDA+F7 and have searched on, say, "deshabille," there is a stream of links reading deshabille, followed by a home link for the dictionary and an info link - lather rinse repeat for the number of dictionaries in which the word is located.

But, I cannot get single letter nav for links (k), unvisited link (u), or visited link (v) to work at all.  Yet, if I activate using the elements list, the links are noted as visited after I've done so.

I have to decide whether this is something I want to report to NVAccess or not, and will wait to do so until others have read what I wrote above and may be able to offer a logical explanation for this very odd (at least in my experience) behavior with NVDA traversal of the dictionary search results page. 
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Re: Jamulus Software

CARLOS-ESTEBAN <carlosestebanpianista@...>
 

Hi all.

Well, is a problem: The program use the driver Assio for delete the latency. But… The sound car now is only for the program, and other programs are muted.

Regards.

 

 

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.

Músico (pianista) y ayuda a usuarios ciegos y con discapacidad visual, con el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología.

Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.

 

Musician (pianist) and also help to the blind people with the use of screen readers and technology.

Certified expert in the screen reader NVDA.

Certified expert in NVDA

 

De: Paul O'Rahilly
Enviado: lunes, 9 de noviembre de 2020 7:46
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: [nvda] Jamulus Software

 

Hi

 

Has anyone tried to use jamulus software with NVDA or JAWS screenreader ?

 

Jamulus is a low latency  software application enabling participants

to play music, jam, together.

 

My experience is that when I run jamulus, my screenreader becomes silent

 

Thanks, Paul

 

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA OCR with adobe image file

CARLOS-ESTEBAN <carlosestebanpianista@...>
 

Hi all.

What happen in the file when you open the PDF with a browser? Firefox, Chrome, Edge and others browsers based in Chromium (Brabe, Opera, etc.) read PDF files, and in Some cases let that NVDA detect the graphics, and you can use the OCR pressing f11 for complete screen before of NVDA+r.

Regards.

 

 

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.

Músico (pianista) y ayuda a usuarios ciegos y con discapacidad visual, con el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología.

Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.

 

Musician (pianist) and also help to the blind people with the use of screen readers and technology.

Certified expert in the screen reader NVDA.

Certified expert in NVDA

 

De: Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Enviado: lunes, 9 de noviembre de 2020 4:23
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] NVDA OCR with adobe image file

 

Quentin,

 

Thanks for esponding!

 

As soon as I opened the file, I received no response from within the file. I pressed down-arrow and then up-arrow and I got the message Empty document as you suggested. I then pressed NVDA + r and got the following response:  

This document appears to be empty. It may be a scanned image that needs OCR or it may be a malformed document

 

The Result line shows no data at all.

 

Would it be possible to share this file with you and see what you observe about it? The content is Irish so I dont expect you to validate the text but, at least, you might be able to determine why the OCR is not happening.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, November 9, 2020 3:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA OCR with adobe image file

 

Try pressing NVDA+r when you first open the file and get the message about it being blank.

 

On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 11:09 AM Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

I have a scanned image in an Adobe .pdf file. I want to run NVDAs OCR over it. When I open the document in adobe Acrobat DC I get a message  that this is a blank document. I press F6 twice and press enter on the home button. Then I press NVDA+R and I hear recognising and below that result document but there is no text showing.

 

I know that this document is an image of scanned text because I can convert it using Abbyy Finereader.

 

All advice and instructions welcome!

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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Re: table navigation issues

Sarah k Alawami
 

This might we web dev errors, but try the fs airlines site. You do need to be logoged in to see any of the tables but trust me, you cannot use your table keys.

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On 9 Nov 2020, at 0:55, Gene wrote:

I would think this isn't related to your project, but I see instances where things look like tables to sighted readers but are not, so a screen-reader can't read them in any sort of logical manner. How often this happens, I don't know and it may be to an extent the sites I happen to look at a good deal but it is nonetheless an accessibility issue to present something that looks like a table and isn't

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sean Murphy
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2020 2:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] table navigation issues

All,

I am seeking for examples where NVDA does not correctly navigate web tables. This is a project I am involved in at work. We are collecting good and bad examples of tables. So if you have any web pages with tables that NVDA does not work with. Please share.


Jamulus Software

Paul O'Rahilly
 

Hi

Has anyone tried to use jamulus software with NVDA or JAWS screenreader ?

Jamulus is a low latency software application enabling participants
to play music, jam, together.

My experience is that when I run jamulus, my screenreader becomes silent

Thanks, Paul


Re: latest version of vocalizer expressive driver for NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!


https://www.tiflotecnia.net/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.2.nvda-addon


Best regards,


Customer support

Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 12:06 de 09/11/2020, Afik Souffir escreveu:

 

Hi,

 

Can someone send me the latest driver for vocalizer expressive?

 

Thanks much,

 

Afik.

 

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