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Re: NVDA still freezing, don't know what the deal is

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Oh, why not try a portable version of the master snapshot and see what that does?
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still freezing, don't know what the deal is


If the master snapshots fixed it, does this mean the next release (which
is hopefully coming sometime this month or next) will have the fix?
Because if so, I can just change the configuration so I have to connect
it manually when I want to use it, which isn't a problem as I usually
have to re-activate the Braille settings if I have to disconnect the
display for one reason or another, or if the computer's put to sleep. If
the fix is implemented next release, I'll adjust the configuration
again. If it does happen again despite this measure, I will try Gene's
method, although I suspect it will be fine. Thank you everyone for all
your help and tips, and at least I know how to retrieve old log messages
now! :D


On 2/05/2016 7:02 PM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I don't think its malware, reading the thread it sounds like the
braill table part of nvda and the master snapshots are supposed to
have now fixed it. Its been a while since I had a computer with one of
those displays. fartoo expensive for the low usage I have.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 4:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still freezing, don't know what the deal is


Hi there: Do you think your computer could have mellwhere to cause this
freezing?

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob [mailto:captinlogic@gmail.com]
Sent: May-01-16 6:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still freezing, don't know what the deal is

Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Why wouldn't my workaround accomplish the same end but more easily.
Because most of the keyboard is frozen when this freeze happens. The
only
thing that works is the windows key and some function keys.








Re: codefactory eloquence and vocalizer

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No its not just you. It sounds a bit like its gating on and off during the spoken words. I did a test against my long in the tooth sapi 4 version which has open access, and that does not suffer the same way. How is it implemented in other screenreaders, ie do they have their own bespoke engine or are they, too using sapi 5?


It is indeed odd when one considers that many other voices manage very well.

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Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] codefactory eloquence and vocalizer


Hello,

I recently bought this add on and the Vocalizer voices work well. However, when I am trying to use the Eloquence voice I hear a very annoying crackling or popping noise. Multiple people have heard the crackling noise so I know its not just my machine.


Regards,

Greg WOcher


On 5/2/2016 4:21 AM, Pawel Urbanski wrote:
Hi,
Have been using this add-on for 4 months. The libraries used are the
same as for other screen readers. NVDA's dictionary is rather good and
prenunciatin is also good.
I use Eloquence as my speech engine after switching from using JAWS.
NVDA is very responsive, has no lags and works more than well.

On 5/2/16, Isaac <bigikemusic@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, anyone recommend this addon, is the vocalizer as good as the other
vocalizer, and is codefactory offering a sapi of just eloquence or vocalizer
as well.
Thanks


Re: NVDA still freezing, don't know what the deal is

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I tend to type with the keyboard on my lap while lounging on a sofa, so where I'd put a tactile display is anyones guess, but serious users who need some appreciation of format etc, then one should be a prerequisite, but they are way too expensive to buy one speculatively at the moment. I am a bit of a heavy handed brailed reader so the weird feel of the pins always gets me a little confused, without mentioning the extra two pins.
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Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still freezing, don't know what the deal is


To be honest I am waiting for this orbit portable something thats supposed to come out but to be honest I graduated from braille to querty ages ago.
The only reason I would want braille is that if I could get a display for 1-200 bucks or something I would probably get one, saying that my desk is to full of stuff to put much on it.
Every time I do any recording of reviews etc like today I got in trouble with cables getting snared.
I know I could go to wireless but batteries are not my thing either.



On 2/05/2016 9:02 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I don't think its malware, reading the thread it sounds like the braill
table part of nvda and the master snapshots are supposed to have now
fixed it. Its been a while since I had a computer with one of those
displays. fartoo expensive for the low usage I have.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 4:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still freezing, don't know what the deal is


Hi there: Do you think your computer could have mellwhere to cause this
freezing?

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob [mailto:captinlogic@gmail.com]
Sent: May-01-16 6:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still freezing, don't know what the deal is

Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Why wouldn't my workaround accomplish the same end but more easily.
Because most of the keyboard is frozen when this freeze happens. The only
thing that works is the windows key and some function keys.







.


Re: Survey: NVDACon Non Visual Desktop Access Users and Developers Conference for South Asia

 

To be honest though I realise its not possible I'd like a conference held in new zealand or close to my country australia maybe.
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Today was supposed to be archive day but due to the fact I had some work to do it just never happened.
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Re: NVDA still freezing, don't know what the deal is

 

To be honest I am waiting for this orbit portable something thats supposed to come out but to be honest I graduated from braille to querty ages ago.
The only reason I would want braille is that if I could get a display for 1-200 bucks or something I would probably get one, saying that my desk is to full of stuff to put much on it.
Every time I do any recording of reviews etc like today I got in trouble with cables getting snared.
I know I could go to wireless but batteries are not my thing either.

On 2/05/2016 9:02 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I don't think its malware, reading the thread it sounds like the braill
table part of nvda and the master snapshots are supposed to have now
fixed it. Its been a while since I had a computer with one of those
displays. fartoo expensive for the low usage I have.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 4:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still freezing, don't know what the deal is


Hi there: Do you think your computer could have mellwhere to cause this
freezing?

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob [mailto:captinlogic@gmail.com]
Sent: May-01-16 6:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still freezing, don't know what the deal is

Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Why wouldn't my workaround accomplish the same end but more easily.
Because most of the keyboard is frozen when this freeze happens. The only
thing that works is the windows key and some function keys.







.


Re: NVDA and tab

 

Well there was a time before I got this i5 duel that I actually didn't start nvda at all or any reader at startup because it was unstable.
The only reason I do it now is simply because just in case something comes up.
From time to time it will not start or is slow or will crash or something.
I find that leaving the pc for a few minutes is best.
Its worst on the first startup of the day.

On 2/05/2016 9:00 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I think originally it was proffered that it was due to nvda missing an
item, due to timing issues, but it is so flaky that nobody seemed to be
able to get a definitive answer.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Arianna Sepulveda"
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Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 3:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and tab


Wow! I use Firefox, and I don't think I've ever had this problem.


Thanks,
Ari

On May 1, 2016, at 1:26 PM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:

But the problem here is that when you are in the proper part of the
Window and have opened a page, you have to tab once at times to be
able to move in and read the page. I haven't paid much attention to
this. In my case, using firefox, it is a problem that occurs off and
on but that doesn't occur nearly every time I load a page. I believe
I've seen the same problem when using Google, though I don't use
google much.

I haven't tested to see if the problem exists in other screen-readers.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Jacob Kruger
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2016 2:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and tab

I generally use ctrl + F6 keystroke to focus on webpage contents after
typing in an address, etc. - think this works in both IE11 and firefox.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Roger Wilco wants to welcome you...to the space janitor's closet..."

On 2016-05-01 9:08 PM, Nevzat Adil wrote:
Hello all,
I encounter an issue when trying to get on to the Internet which I am
not sure whether it is n NVDA issue or something else.
For instance, when I try to get to my home page, google, the page does
not seem to load and read by NVDA unless I press tab. It is only then
that NVDA begins reading the page. The same issue occurs when trying
to get onto other pages, as well.
My operating system is Windows 10 64 bit. NVDA is the most recent.
I would appreciate your comments.
Nevzat





Re: NVDA still freezing, don't know what the deal is

 

Thats a point, if it is the display maybe it needs a firmware update.
When I got this gaming keyboard while its software was useless it could run at reduced functionality on windows.
It did have rather old firmware though a thing I found when I looked at its support site.
Its got fully upgraded firmware though now.

On 2/05/2016 8:33 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Obviously if you are certain that the problem does not occur whenits not
connected you have proved the issue is that. Next you need to see if
there is a newer version of the driver perhaps?
Not having tried this display, I'm a bit useless on this aspect.
Are there any other bits ofsoftware on the computer that can use the
display that might be able to test f its just nvda or if its a more
general problem. It sounds like a hang not exactly a crash, ie its going
around in circles and not getting out of a loop.
If it happens at a non critical time, what happens if you do the short
tap on the power button which in my case seems to break out of a crashed
piece of software back to a a working condition again.
Too long of course will shut the machine down. I think Word saves its
file in the background and tells you next time you staart of any rescued
documents it may have you might need to get into.
Incidentally did my fix for your name in speech platform work?

shar-nee-Lee.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still freezing, don't know what the deal is


It just happened again, again while I was writing. My mother came to
help me again and tried to save my work. Word wouldn't respond. She
tried to exit NVDA mannually, but it wouldn't allow her to do that. She
scanned NVDA with Microsoft Security Essentials but nothing came up. I'm
now using the computer without my Braille Display. I don't understand
why it's doing this to me, but I can't think of any other culprit. It's
brand new. We bought it in February and I've barely used it, partly
because of this issue and partly because of the MUD I've been playing.
But I've had it plugged into my computer via USB almost constantly since
I got it and installed the driver. The computer usually starts up with
it plugged in.


Please, someone, help! I want to solve this problem as soon as possible!
I've had about enough of this and I don't want to sacrifice my Braille
Display just because this is happening!


On 2/05/2016 7:10 AM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
I've mentioned this before, but it's been weeks and I don't know if I
got any more useful help after Joseph said to submit a log entry. Which
given the nature of my problem, I doubt would work.


Since I got my Braille Display in February, NVDA has frozen with
alarming regularity. It hasn't been like previous experiences of the
phenomenon either. I used to occasionally have NVDA freeze, but I could
restart the screen reader with alt+ctrl+n. With this situation, I can't.
NVDA completely stops working. It says nothing. The Braille display's
display remains frozen on whatever was last spoken. I can't restart
NVDA, and sometimes can't even shut down the computer without sighted
help. That's the only way to get things working again—shut down and
restart the computer. I used to only experience this soon after startup,
especially when I tried to activate the snapshot with the experimental
UEB table in it, but now I'm having it happen after the computer's been
going for a while, and it happens on both the normal installation and
the brltbl snapshot. Just now, I had it happen while I was writing in a
document. I was typing merrily away when NVDA stopped reporting letters
and the Braille Display, when I checked it, was only displaying the
first two words I'd typed on that line.


This is getting seriously annoying both for me and my mother, who is my
carer. I don't know what's causing this problem but I have a horrible
feeling it's to do with my Focus 40 Blue, as it didn't happen before I
got it. Can anyone shed some light on this? I want it to stop so my
writing and other activities don't keep getting interrupted.









Re: codefactory eloquence and vocalizer

Greg Wocher
 

Hello,

I recently bought this add on and the Vocalizer voices work well. However, when I am trying to use the Eloquence voice I hear a very annoying crackling or popping noise. Multiple people have heard the crackling noise so I know its not just my machine.


Regards,

Greg WOcher

On 5/2/2016 4:21 AM, Pawel Urbanski wrote:
Hi,
Have been using this add-on for 4 months. The libraries used are the
same as for other screen readers. NVDA's dictionary is rather good and
prenunciatin is also good.
I use Eloquence as my speech engine after switching from using JAWS.
NVDA is very responsive, has no lags and works more than well.

On 5/2/16, Isaac <bigikemusic@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, anyone recommend this addon, is the vocalizer as good as the other
vocalizer, and is codefactory offering a sapi of just eloquence or vocalizer
as well.
Thanks


Re: codefactory eloquence and vocalizer

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

You have Vocalizer SAPI5 by KobaSpeech and by LetsTalk, a israelian company.
Tiflotecnia solds its own Vocalizer for NVDA, and also Eloquence SAPI5 from
CodeFactory.


Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Isaac
Data: segunda-feira, 2 de maio de 2016 09:16
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: [nvda] codefactory eloquence and vocalizer


Hi, anyone recommend this addon, is the vocalizer as good as the other
vocalizer, and is codefactory offering a sapi of just eloquence or vocalizer
as well.
Thanks


Re: NVDA still freezing, don't know what the deal is

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

If the master snapshots fixed it, does this mean the next release (which
is hopefully coming sometime this month or next) will have the fix?
Because if so, I can just change the configuration so I have to connect
it manually when I want to use it, which isn't a problem as I usually
have to re-activate the Braille settings if I have to disconnect the
display for one reason or another, or if the computer's put to sleep. If
the fix is implemented next release, I'll adjust the configuration
again. If it does happen again despite this measure, I will try Gene's
method, although I suspect it will be fine. Thank you everyone for all
your help and tips, and at least I know how to retrieve old log messages
now! :D

On 2/05/2016 7:02 PM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I don't think its malware, reading the thread it sounds like the
braill table part of nvda and the master snapshots are supposed to
have now fixed it. Its been a while since I had a computer with one of
those displays. fartoo expensive for the low usage I have.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 4:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still freezing, don't know what the deal is


Hi there: Do you think your computer could have mellwhere to cause this
freezing?

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob [mailto:captinlogic@gmail.com]
Sent: May-01-16 6:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still freezing, don't know what the deal is

Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Why wouldn't my workaround accomplish the same end but more easily.
Because most of the keyboard is frozen when this freeze happens. The
only
thing that works is the windows key and some function keys.








Re: NVDA still freezing, don't know what the deal is

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

Hi Brian,


That does seem to match up with my mother's description of what was
going on on the screen. I'm going to start connecting it manually
instead of having it be connected at startup and NVDA configured to use
it automatically. I may simply have been typing too fast in Word for the
code to keep up (although as I said this doesn't happen just in Word).


Also, That fix sounds horrible and unnatural. I wish there were ways to
make words be emphasised the way you want them to be, and that the
method worked across the board instead of in just one synth, but you
can't have everything...

On 2/05/2016 6:33 PM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Obviously if you are certain that the problem does not occur whenits
not connected you have proved the issue is that. Next you need to see
if there is a newer version of the driver perhaps?
Not having tried this display, I'm a bit useless on this aspect.
Are there any other bits ofsoftware on the computer that can use the
display that might be able to test f its just nvda or if its a more
general problem. It sounds like a hang not exactly a crash, ie its
going around in circles and not getting out of a loop.
If it happens at a non critical time, what happens if you do the short
tap on the power button which in my case seems to break out of a
crashed piece of software back to a a working condition again.
Too long of course will shut the machine down. I think Word saves its
file in the background and tells you next time you staart of any
rescued documents it may have you might need to get into.
Incidentally did my fix for your name in speech platform work?

shar-nee-Lee.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharni-Lee Ward"
<sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still freezing, don't know what the deal is


It just happened again, again while I was writing. My mother came to
help me again and tried to save my work. Word wouldn't respond. She
tried to exit NVDA mannually, but it wouldn't allow her to do that. She
scanned NVDA with Microsoft Security Essentials but nothing came up. I'm
now using the computer without my Braille Display. I don't understand
why it's doing this to me, but I can't think of any other culprit. It's
brand new. We bought it in February and I've barely used it, partly
because of this issue and partly because of the MUD I've been playing.
But I've had it plugged into my computer via USB almost constantly since
I got it and installed the driver. The computer usually starts up with
it plugged in.


Please, someone, help! I want to solve this problem as soon as possible!
I've had about enough of this and I don't want to sacrifice my Braille
Display just because this is happening!


On 2/05/2016 7:10 AM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
I've mentioned this before, but it's been weeks and I don't know if I
got any more useful help after Joseph said to submit a log entry. Which
given the nature of my problem, I doubt would work.


Since I got my Braille Display in February, NVDA has frozen with
alarming regularity. It hasn't been like previous experiences of the
phenomenon either. I used to occasionally have NVDA freeze, but I could
restart the screen reader with alt+ctrl+n. With this situation, I
can't.
NVDA completely stops working. It says nothing. The Braille display's
display remains frozen on whatever was last spoken. I can't restart
NVDA, and sometimes can't even shut down the computer without sighted
help. That's the only way to get things working again—shut down and
restart the computer. I used to only experience this soon after
startup,
especially when I tried to activate the snapshot with the experimental
UEB table in it, but now I'm having it happen after the computer's been
going for a while, and it happens on both the normal installation and
the brltbl snapshot. Just now, I had it happen while I was writing in a
document. I was typing merrily away when NVDA stopped reporting letters
and the Braille Display, when I checked it, was only displaying the
first two words I'd typed on that line.


This is getting seriously annoying both for me and my mother, who is my
carer. I don't know what's causing this problem but I have a horrible
feeling it's to do with my Focus 40 Blue, as it didn't happen before I
got it. Can anyone shed some light on this? I want it to stop so my
writing and other activities don't keep getting interrupted.









Re: NVDA still freezing, don't know what the deal is

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

Hi Brian,


That does seem to match up with my mother's description of what was
going on on the screen. I'm going to start connecting it manually
instead of having it be connected at startup and NVDA configured to use
it automatically. I may simply have been typing too fast in Word for the
code to keep up (although as I said this doesn't happen just in Word).


Also, That fix sounds horrible and unnatural. I wish there were ways to
make words be emphasised the way you want them to be, and that the
method worked across the board instead of in just one synth, but you
can't have everything...

On 2/05/2016 6:33 PM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Obviously if you are certain that the problem does not occur whenits
not connected you have proved the issue is that. Next you need to see
if there is a newer version of the driver perhaps?
Not having tried this display, I'm a bit useless on this aspect.
Are there any other bits ofsoftware on the computer that can use the
display that might be able to test f its just nvda or if its a more
general problem. It sounds like a hang not exactly a crash, ie its
going around in circles and not getting out of a loop.
If it happens at a non critical time, what happens if you do the short
tap on the power button which in my case seems to break out of a
crashed piece of software back to a a working condition again.
Too long of course will shut the machine down. I think Word saves its
file in the background and tells you next time you staart of any
rescued documents it may have you might need to get into.
Incidentally did my fix for your name in speech platform work?

shar-nee-Lee.
Brian

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Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still freezing, don't know what the deal is


It just happened again, again while I was writing. My mother came to
help me again and tried to save my work. Word wouldn't respond. She
tried to exit NVDA mannually, but it wouldn't allow her to do that. She
scanned NVDA with Microsoft Security Essentials but nothing came up. I'm
now using the computer without my Braille Display. I don't understand
why it's doing this to me, but I can't think of any other culprit. It's
brand new. We bought it in February and I've barely used it, partly
because of this issue and partly because of the MUD I've been playing.
But I've had it plugged into my computer via USB almost constantly since
I got it and installed the driver. The computer usually starts up with
it plugged in.


Please, someone, help! I want to solve this problem as soon as possible!
I've had about enough of this and I don't want to sacrifice my Braille
Display just because this is happening!


On 2/05/2016 7:10 AM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
I've mentioned this before, but it's been weeks and I don't know if I
got any more useful help after Joseph said to submit a log entry. Which
given the nature of my problem, I doubt would work.


Since I got my Braille Display in February, NVDA has frozen with
alarming regularity. It hasn't been like previous experiences of the
phenomenon either. I used to occasionally have NVDA freeze, but I could
restart the screen reader with alt+ctrl+n. With this situation, I
can't.
NVDA completely stops working. It says nothing. The Braille display's
display remains frozen on whatever was last spoken. I can't restart
NVDA, and sometimes can't even shut down the computer without sighted
help. That's the only way to get things working again—shut down and
restart the computer. I used to only experience this soon after
startup,
especially when I tried to activate the snapshot with the experimental
UEB table in it, but now I'm having it happen after the computer's been
going for a while, and it happens on both the normal installation and
the brltbl snapshot. Just now, I had it happen while I was writing in a
document. I was typing merrily away when NVDA stopped reporting letters
and the Braille Display, when I checked it, was only displaying the
first two words I'd typed on that line.


This is getting seriously annoying both for me and my mother, who is my
carer. I don't know what's causing this problem but I have a horrible
feeling it's to do with my Focus 40 Blue, as it didn't happen before I
got it. Can anyone shed some light on this? I want it to stop so my
writing and other activities don't keep getting interrupted.









Re: NVDA still freezing, don't know what the deal is

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

No, I do not have a backup screen reader. NVDA is the only free one I
know of and I am happy with it. I considered getting a Braille Display
more beneficial than Jaws, which I would have to pay $500 per year to
keep updated. And I don't have the bandwidth to even download the demo.
I don't like Jaws anyway. I was never taught how to properly use most
Jaws specific commands when I did use it in school. That was ten years
ago now, so it likely wouldn't help me much anyways.

On 2/05/2016 1:30 PM, Arlene wrote:
Hi, What other screen reader do you have on your computer? If you have a back up screen reader besides NVDA why not try it to make sure it's not your Braille Display? It sounds like you might have botched up a setting while setting it up for it to run on NVDA. If it works on your back up screen reader, then there's something up with a setting for NVDA.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sharni-Lee Ward [mailto:sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com]
Sent: May-01-16 4:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still freezing, don't know what the deal is

It just happened again, again while I was writing. My mother came to
help me again and tried to save my work. Word wouldn't respond. She
tried to exit NVDA mannually, but it wouldn't allow her to do that. She
scanned NVDA with Microsoft Security Essentials but nothing came up. I'm
now using the computer without my Braille Display. I don't understand
why it's doing this to me, but I can't think of any other culprit. It's
brand new. We bought it in February and I've barely used it, partly
because of this issue and partly because of the MUD I've been playing.
But I've had it plugged into my computer via USB almost constantly since
I got it and installed the driver. The computer usually starts up with
it plugged in.


Please, someone, help! I want to solve this problem as soon as possible!
I've had about enough of this and I don't want to sacrifice my Braille
Display just because this is happening!


On 2/05/2016 7:10 AM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
I've mentioned this before, but it's been weeks and I don't know if I
got any more useful help after Joseph said to submit a log entry. Which
given the nature of my problem, I doubt would work.


Since I got my Braille Display in February, NVDA has frozen with
alarming regularity. It hasn't been like previous experiences of the
phenomenon either. I used to occasionally have NVDA freeze, but I could
restart the screen reader with alt+ctrl+n. With this situation, I can't.
NVDA completely stops working. It says nothing. The Braille display's
display remains frozen on whatever was last spoken. I can't restart
NVDA, and sometimes can't even shut down the computer without sighted
help. That's the only way to get things working again—shut down and
restart the computer. I used to only experience this soon after startup,
especially when I tried to activate the snapshot with the experimental
UEB table in it, but now I'm having it happen after the computer's been
going for a while, and it happens on both the normal installation and
the brltbl snapshot. Just now, I had it happen while I was writing in a
document. I was typing merrily away when NVDA stopped reporting letters
and the Braille Display, when I checked it, was only displaying the
first two words I'd typed on that line.


This is getting seriously annoying both for me and my mother, who is my
carer. I don't know what's causing this problem but I have a horrible
feeling it's to do with my Focus 40 Blue, as it didn't happen before I
got it. Can anyone shed some light on this? I want it to stop so my
writing and other activities don't keep getting interrupted.









Re: NVDA still freezing, don't know what the deal is

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I don't think its malware, reading the thread it sounds like the braill table part of nvda and the master snapshots are supposed to have now fixed it. Its been a while since I had a computer with one of those displays. fartoo expensive for the low usage I have.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 4:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still freezing, don't know what the deal is


Hi there: Do you think your computer could have mellwhere to cause this
freezing?

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob [mailto:captinlogic@gmail.com]
Sent: May-01-16 6:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still freezing, don't know what the deal is

Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Why wouldn't my workaround accomplish the same end but more easily.
Because most of the keyboard is frozen when this freeze happens. The only
thing that works is the windows key and some function keys.





Re: NVDA still freezing, don't know what the deal is

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

Or I could just not have the display plugged in at startup and only
connect it when I want to use it. :D


Thank you for your insight, though. :D

On 2/05/2016 11:13 AM, Rob wrote:
Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com> wrote:
NVDA completely stops working. It says nothing. The Braille display's
display remains frozen on whatever was last spoken.
There is a way to get around this, but it is kind of a pain. Here is how.
1. Create another user account on your computer and give it admin rights.
2. The problem with the freeze is caused by LibLouis, not your braille
display; it would freeze upno matter what display you have.
3. Next time it freezes, press windows+l
4. Press alt+w for switch user
5. Hit right arrow to land on the user you created
6. Press enter and type its password
7. Press control+shift+delete to land in task manager. Do not start
NVDA, because it might freeze again.
8. Hit control+tab to land in the processes list
9. Type the letters nv to land on the nvda.exe process. Press alt+e,
alt+y to terminate it.
10. Press windows+l, alt+w to return to your previous windows session.
Your user should be the first one in the list; press enter on it and
type your password.
11. Restart NVDA. if it freezes once more, repeat the previous steps.
It will not always freeze. This is a random event.
12. Once NVDA has successfully started, go into The NVDA menu with NVDA+n
13. Go to braille settings by pressing the letters p and r. Select no
braille and press enter.
14. Go back into the NVDA menu and press s for save configuration.
15. Return, once more, to the NVDA menu and press p for preferences
and then enter on general settings. Untick the box that says "save
configuration on exit."
16. Now, when you start NVDA, you will have no braille. You will have
to select your Focus 40 manually on each start. NVDA will not usually
freeze if you select a display while it is running. It has always been
the case--for me, anyway--that it freezes during startup and a braille
display is automatically selected.
I hope this helps.



Re: NVDA and tab

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I think originally it was proffered that it was due to nvda missing an item, due to timing issues, but it is so flaky that nobody seemed to be able to get a definitive answer.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Arianna Sepulveda" <englishrider91@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 3:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and tab


Wow! I use Firefox, and I don't think I've ever had this problem.


Thanks,
Ari

On May 1, 2016, at 1:26 PM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:

But the problem here is that when you are in the proper part of the Window and have opened a page, you have to tab once at times to be able to move in and read the page. I haven't paid much attention to this. In my case, using firefox, it is a problem that occurs off and on but that doesn't occur nearly every time I load a page. I believe I've seen the same problem when using Google, though I don't use google much.

I haven't tested to see if the problem exists in other screen-readers.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Jacob Kruger
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2016 2:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and tab

I generally use ctrl + F6 keystroke to focus on webpage contents after
typing in an address, etc. - think this works in both IE11 and firefox.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Roger Wilco wants to welcome you...to the space janitor's closet..."

On 2016-05-01 9:08 PM, Nevzat Adil wrote:
Hello all,
I encounter an issue when trying to get on to the Internet which I am
not sure whether it is n NVDA issue or something else.
For instance, when I try to get to my home page, google, the page does
not seem to load and read by NVDA unless I press tab. It is only then
that NVDA begins reading the page. The same issue occurs when trying
to get onto other pages, as well.
My operating system is Windows 10 64 bit. NVDA is the most recent.
I would appreciate your comments.
Nevzat



Re: NVDA still freezing, don't know what the deal is

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With respect, I do not think this is the case here, as it freezes later on.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob" <captinlogic@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 2:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still freezing, don't know what the deal is


Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com> wrote:
NVDA completely stops working. It says nothing. The Braille display's
display remains frozen on whatever was last spoken.
There is a way to get around this, but it is kind of a pain. Here is how.
1. Create another user account on your computer and give it admin rights.
2. The problem with the freeze is caused by LibLouis, not your braille display; it would freeze upno matter what display you have.
3. Next time it freezes, press windows+l
4. Press alt+w for switch user
5. Hit right arrow to land on the user you created
6. Press enter and type its password
7. Press control+shift+delete to land in task manager. Do not start NVDA, because it might freeze again.
8. Hit control+tab to land in the processes list
9. Type the letters nv to land on the nvda.exe process. Press alt+e, alt+y to terminate it.
10. Press windows+l, alt+w to return to your previous windows session. Your user should be the first one in the list; press enter on it and type your password.
11. Restart NVDA. if it freezes once more, repeat the previous steps. It will not always freeze. This is a random event.
12. Once NVDA has successfully started, go into The NVDA menu with NVDA+n
13. Go to braille settings by pressing the letters p and r. Select no braille and press enter.
14. Go back into the NVDA menu and press s for save configuration.
15. Return, once more, to the NVDA menu and press p for preferences and then enter on general settings. Untick the box that says "save configuration on exit."
16. Now, when you start NVDA, you will have no braille. You will have to select your Focus 40 manually on each start. NVDA will not usually freeze if you select a display while it is running. It has always been the case--for me, anyway--that it freezes during startup and a braille display is automatically selected.
I hope this helps.


Re: Navigational sounds

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No I don't want it to duck in this case but as I say, if anyone out there still has the clicking, end of download etc still working on Firefox with navigational sounds add in, do let me know.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 2:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Navigational sounds


Windows 8 and above is correct! There's a reason to upgrade to win10 LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2016 2:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Navigational sounds

I think audio ducking only works on windows 8 and above.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: Jacob Kruger [mailto:jacob@blindza.co.za]
Sent: 01 May 2016 14:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Navigational sounds

Sound ducking?

As in, if remember correctly, it won't work on XP, but, will work on later
versions of windows if activated/turned on?

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
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On 2016-05-01 12:36 PM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Rather strangely, the click sound amongst others seems not to be being
played any more in IE or Firefox even though the start navigation
sound is still selected and plays from the control panel dialogue fine
on both
Windows7 and 10. anyone else noticed this. One is using a usb sound
card the other the built in realtek one so i doubt if that is the issue.
It seems to be working on xp though, which is, as someone once said,
illogical.

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Re: NVDA still freezing, don't know what the deal is

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I doubt that or it would not work at all, personally. Some of these installers will have you plugging an unplugging devices several times it seems, presumably to check it can be detected, which it obviously is as otherwise it would not work at all or detect when its not plugged in.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 1:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA still freezing, don't know what the deal is


Hi,


Yes, but you have Windows 10. I have 7.


So I didn't botch the installation or something? That's my biggest fear
right now, that I somehow botched something when I was setting up my
Braille Display.


On 2/05/2016 10:44 AM, Pranav Lal wrote:
Hi Sharni,

I have a similar problem but my log entries are different and my freezing occurs mainly in outlook 2016. Regardless, this is what I do to recover from it without sighted assistance.
1. Hit windows key +l or ctrl+alt+ddel. It depends on whichever key combination works.
2. I get to the login screen.
3. I can then tab to the shutdown button and power off or restart the computer.

OS=Windows 10
NVDA 2016.1
Pranav






Re: Accessible online survey creation tool

Bhavya shah
 

Hi all,
I am finally done (hopefully) with all I need to know. One does not
need any complex querying or databases, Google Docs Forms works in a
simple and easy to understand manner.
I have enabled e-mail notifications for myself so whenever any
respondent submits, I am made aware.
Thanks a lot guys for all the help, and I sincerely hope maximum South
Asians may participate and bring this to life.
Thanks.

On 5/2/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
Yes it baffled me as well. I did attempt Survey Monkey some time back but my

brain hurt.....:-)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bhavya shah" <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2016 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible online survey creation tool


Hi Chris,
I am getting very confused with Google Forms. I cannot find links and
buttons to click and follow instructions from, and the keystrokes are
working in a weird way, perhaps something that I am unable to keep up
with or understand.
I would like to sincerely request you, or others, to please give me a
quick walkthrough of Google Forms or other accessible survey creation
services via any preferred medium. My contact details are all in my
signature.
I would truly appreciate any assistance.
Thanks.

On 5/1/16, ChrisLeo <llajta@gmx.us> wrote:
Hi Bhavya,
What you think about google forms?
try and tell me if that's what you are looking for:
https://docs.google.com/forms
-.
Using the available shortcuts you can make a good survey.

Cheers.


Chris.

Bhavya shah, 01/05/2016 15:16:
Dear all,
I require to create an online survey about a certain potential
initiative and the amount of interest in it people may have, which may
include several question types - country combo box/dropdown, open
ended question edit box, radio button and check box, and an
introductory paragraph.
For this, I seek your advice and recommendations of a free online
survey creation service that could fulfill my purpose.
I do not need very advanced functionality, simply basic survey
creation, sharing and results analysis features would suffice.
I would really appreciate any assistance any of you may be willing to
give!
Thanks.



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Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Skype id : bhavya.09