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Re: [NVDA] Going to the top and bottom of a window

David Moore
 

actually,
I have taught many of my sighted friends the Windows commands, and that has made them so much faster at what they do. They never knew they existed. For example, I show everyone the Alt+F4, Alt+tab, and CTRL +right or left arrow to move the cursor by word. You are so right. The more we know that a command is a Windows command, we can use that command no matter which screen reader we are using.
David Moore
 
 

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Going to the top and bottom of a window
 
This message is somewhat long but some people may find it useful. 
 
Control home and control end, when in a document are not NVDA commands.  They are Windows commands and will work whether a screen-reader is present or not.  A sighted person would see the cursor move.  The other command you gave, for screen review, is an NVDA command.
 
It is important to learn the difference between Screen-reader specifric commands and Windows or program commands.  That's because you can then use a computer with a different screen-reader, if necessary, and do a good deal if you have to not use your screen--reader of choice.  It also makes changing screen-readers much easier.  Even on your own computer this matters.  If you have to run Narrator for some reason, if you know the difference, you can use it immediately and do a good deal. 
 
In general, though this is not a perfect discrimination, commands that do things that do not rely specifically on vision are Windows commands.  Commands that do things that rely on vision are screen-reader commands.  For example, read current line and read title bar are screen--reader commands.  You need commands to announce these things, which a sighted person can simply look to see.  Control home and control end are Windows and Windows program commands.  They move the cursor in a program or edit field.  They are not just something you look at.  You are changing something in the program itself. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Going to the top and bottom of a window
 
Hi,
NVDA sure does have key commands to go to the top orb bottom of a window. If
you are reading a document or such where the system carrot can follow along,
you can just press CTRL+Home or CTRL+End to go to the top and bottom. If you
are using the review cursor to read the text on objects, the laptop command
is NVDA+CTRL+Home or End.
That is it.
David Moore


-----Original Message-----
From: John J. Boyer
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 5:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Going to the top and bottom of a window

NVDA does not seem to have keysrokes for going to the top or bottom of
a window. The other screenreaders that I have tried do have such
keystrokes. Why doesn't NVDA?

Thanks,

--
John J. Boyer; President,
AbilitiesSoft, Inc.
Email: john.boyer@...
Website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: 501(C)(3) Nonprofit
Location: Madison, Wisconsin USA
Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with
         disabilities which are available at no cost.







Re: recent change

Slery <slerythema@...>
 

Thanks, just rejoined the list.

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On August 10, 2016 6:45:27 PM "Gene" <gsasner@...> wrote:

I've seen this discussed two or three times on this and, perhaps another list.  As I recall, there is no solution in terms of making adjustments in either program.  I believe you can solve it by using the speech dictionary.  Use the speech dictionary to cause nothing to be spoken when the phrase no associated drafts and the phrase associated drafts has been spoken.  My recollection is that I suggested this and that it worked.  If you need to know how to do this, let us know.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: slery
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 3:57 PM
Subject: [nvda] recent change

In the last few days, I have noticed a change in how nvda reads in Outlook 2016. It used to say unread, read the subject, then it read the author.

 

It has now started saying no associated drafts before reading anything else about the message. What can I do to change this?

 

Latest nvda

Outlook 2016 (office 365)

Windows 10

 

Cindy


Re: Going to the top and bottom of a window

Gene
 

I made an error.  I meant shift numpad 7 and shift numpad 9.  Sorry about the error.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Going to the top and bottom of a window

I pressed nvda_1 to turn on learn mode. No functions were shown for
ctrl+numpad 4 or ctrl+numpad 9.

John


On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 05:47:20PM -0500, Gene wrote:
> It does.  If you are talking about using screen review keys, the commands are control numpad 7 and control numpad 9.  That's for the desktop layout.  I don't know the laptop commands.  Did you look in the keys reference for such commands?
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: John J. Boyer
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 4:03 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Going to the top and bottom of a window
>
>
> NVDA does not seem to have keysrokes for going to the top or bottom of
> a window. The other screenreaders that I have tried do have such
> keystrokes. Why doesn't NVDA?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> John J. Boyer; President,
> AbilitiesSoft, Inc.
> Email: john.boyer@...
> Website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
> Status: 501(C)(3) Nonprofit
> Location: Madison, Wisconsin USA
> Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with
>          disabilities which are available at no cost.
>
>
>

--
John J. Boyer; President,
AbilitiesSoft, Inc.
Email: john.boyer@...
Website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: 501(C)(3) Nonprofit
Location: Madison, Wisconsin USA
Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with
         disabilities which are available at no cost.




Re: Going to the top and bottom of a window

Gene
 

I didn't mean the guide necessarily.  There is a keys reference guide as one of the items in the help section.  You may find it useful if you haven't used it.  It opens in your default browser and you can move by heading to find what you think is the relevant section. 
 
If you have questions or need more information, ask here. 
 
Since you may well know this but since I don't know, I'll briefly describe how to open the keys reference.
NVDA key n to open the menu.  H to open the help submenu.  Down arrow through the items and you'll find the one you want. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Going to the top and bottom of a window

I studied the User Guide extensively, but I didn't see those keys.
Thanks.

John

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 05:47:20PM -0500, Gene wrote:
> It does.  If you are talking about using screen review keys, the commands are control numpad 7 and control numpad 9.  That's for the desktop layout.  I don't know the laptop commands.  Did you look in the keys reference for such commands?
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: John J. Boyer
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 4:03 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Going to the top and bottom of a window
>
>
> NVDA does not seem to have keysrokes for going to the top or bottom of
> a window. The other screenreaders that I have tried do have such
> keystrokes. Why doesn't NVDA?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> John J. Boyer; President,
> AbilitiesSoft, Inc.
> Email: john.boyer@...
> Website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
> Status: 501(C)(3) Nonprofit
> Location: Madison, Wisconsin USA
> Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with
>          disabilities which are available at no cost.
>
>
>

--
John J. Boyer; President,
AbilitiesSoft, Inc.
Email: john.boyer@...
Website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: 501(C)(3) Nonprofit
Location: Madison, Wisconsin USA
Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with
         disabilities which are available at no cost.




Re: Going to the top and bottom of a window

Rob
 

John J. Boyer <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org> wrote:
I pressed nvda_1 to turn on learn mode. No functions were shown for
ctrl+numpad 4 or ctrl+numpad 9.
You want Shift+numpad 7 and shift+numpad 9.


Re: Going to the top and bottom of a window

John J. Boyer
 

I pressed nvda_1 to turn on learn mode. No functions were shown for
ctrl+numpad 4 or ctrl+numpad 9.

John

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 05:47:20PM -0500, Gene wrote:
It does. If you are talking about using screen review keys, the commands are control numpad 7 and control numpad 9. That's for the desktop layout. I don't know the laptop commands. Did you look in the keys reference for such commands?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: John J. Boyer
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 4:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Going to the top and bottom of a window


NVDA does not seem to have keysrokes for going to the top or bottom of
a window. The other screenreaders that I have tried do have such
keystrokes. Why doesn't NVDA?

Thanks,

--
John J. Boyer; President,
AbilitiesSoft, Inc.
Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org
Website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: 501(C)(3) Nonprofit
Location: Madison, Wisconsin USA
Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with
disabilities which are available at no cost.


--
John J. Boyer; President,
AbilitiesSoft, Inc.
Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org
Website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: 501(C)(3) Nonprofit
Location: Madison, Wisconsin USA
Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with
disabilities which are available at no cost.


Re: Going to the top and bottom of a window

John J. Boyer
 

I studied the User Guide extensively, but I didn't see those keys.
Thanks.

John

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 05:47:20PM -0500, Gene wrote:
It does. If you are talking about using screen review keys, the commands are control numpad 7 and control numpad 9. That's for the desktop layout. I don't know the laptop commands. Did you look in the keys reference for such commands?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: John J. Boyer
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 4:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Going to the top and bottom of a window


NVDA does not seem to have keysrokes for going to the top or bottom of
a window. The other screenreaders that I have tried do have such
keystrokes. Why doesn't NVDA?

Thanks,

--
John J. Boyer; President,
AbilitiesSoft, Inc.
Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org
Website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: 501(C)(3) Nonprofit
Location: Madison, Wisconsin USA
Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with
disabilities which are available at no cost.


--
John J. Boyer; President,
AbilitiesSoft, Inc.
Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org
Website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: 501(C)(3) Nonprofit
Location: Madison, Wisconsin USA
Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with
disabilities which are available at no cost.


Re: [NVDA] Going to the top and bottom of a window

Gene
 

This message is somewhat long but some people may find it useful. 
 
Control home and control end, when in a document are not NVDA commands.  They are Windows commands and will work whether a screen-reader is present or not.  A sighted person would see the cursor move.  The other command you gave, for screen review, is an NVDA command.
 
It is important to learn the difference between Screen-reader specifric commands and Windows or program commands.  That's because you can then use a computer with a different screen-reader, if necessary, and do a good deal if you have to not use your screen--reader of choice.  It also makes changing screen-readers much easier.  Even on your own computer this matters.  If you have to run Narrator for some reason, if you know the difference, you can use it immediately and do a good deal. 
 
In general, though this is not a perfect discrimination, commands that do things that do not rely specifically on vision are Windows commands.  Commands that do things that rely on vision are screen-reader commands.  For example, read current line and read title bar are screen--reader commands.  You need commands to announce these things, which a sighted person can simply look to see.  Control home and control end are Windows and Windows program commands.  They move the cursor in a program or edit field.  They are not just something you look at.  You are changing something in the program itself. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Going to the top and bottom of a window

Hi,
NVDA sure does have key commands to go to the top orb bottom of a window. If
you are reading a document or such where the system carrot can follow along,
you can just press CTRL+Home or CTRL+End to go to the top and bottom. If you
are using the review cursor to read the text on objects, the laptop command
is NVDA+CTRL+Home or End.
That is it.
David Moore


-----Original Message-----
From: John J. Boyer
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 5:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Going to the top and bottom of a window

NVDA does not seem to have keysrokes for going to the top or bottom of
a window. The other screenreaders that I have tried do have such
keystrokes. Why doesn't NVDA?

Thanks,

--
John J. Boyer; President,
AbilitiesSoft, Inc.
Email: john.boyer@...
Website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: 501(C)(3) Nonprofit
Location: Madison, Wisconsin USA
Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with
         disabilities which are available at no cost.







Re: Going to the top and bottom of a window

rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi, control-home?

Sent from my iPhone 5S

On 10 Aug 2016, at 10:03 pm, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@...> wrote:

NVDA does not seem to have keysrokes for going to the top or bottom of
a window. The other screenreaders that I have tried do have such
keystrokes. Why doesn't NVDA?

Thanks,

--
John J. Boyer; President,
AbilitiesSoft, Inc.
Email: john.boyer@...
Website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: 501(C)(3) Nonprofit
Location: Madison, Wisconsin USA
Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with
        disabilities which are available at no cost.





Re: Going to the top and bottom of a window

Gene
 

It does.  If you are talking about using screen review keys, the commands are control numpad 7 and control numpad 9.  That's for the desktop layout.  I don't know the laptop commands.  Did you look in the keys reference for such commands? 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 4:03 PM
Subject: [nvda] Going to the top and bottom of a window

NVDA does not seem to have keysrokes for going to the top or bottom of
a window. The other screenreaders that I have tried do have such
keystrokes. Why doesn't NVDA?

Thanks,

--
John J. Boyer; President,
AbilitiesSoft, Inc.
Email: john.boyer@...
Website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: 501(C)(3) Nonprofit
Location: Madison, Wisconsin USA
Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with
         disabilities which are available at no cost.




Re: recent change

Gene
 

I've seen this discussed two or three times on this and, perhaps another list.  As I recall, there is no solution in terms of making adjustments in either program.  I believe you can solve it by using the speech dictionary.  Use the speech dictionary to cause nothing to be spoken when the phrase no associated drafts and the phrase associated drafts has been spoken.  My recollection is that I suggested this and that it worked.  If you need to know how to do this, let us know.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: slery
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 3:57 PM
Subject: [nvda] recent change

In the last few days, I have noticed a change in how nvda reads in Outlook 2016. It used to say unread, read the subject, then it read the author.

 

It has now started saying “no associated drafts” before reading anything else about the message. What can I do to change this?

 

Latest nvda

Outlook 2016 (office 365)

Windows 10

 

Cindy


Re: Going to the top and bottom of a window

David Moore
 

Hi,
NVDA sure does have those commands. If you are in a document or such where the system carrot can follow along, just press CTRL+Home or End. If you are using the review cursor to read text on an object, the laptop command to go to the top or bottom is: NVDA+CTRL+Home or End.
That is it.
David Moore

-----Original Message-----
From: John J. Boyer
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 5:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Going to the top and bottom of a window

NVDA does not seem to have keysrokes for going to the top or bottom of
a window. The other screenreaders that I have tried do have such
keystrokes. Why doesn't NVDA?

Thanks,

--
John J. Boyer; President,
AbilitiesSoft, Inc.
Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org
Website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: 501(C)(3) Nonprofit
Location: Madison, Wisconsin USA
Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with
disabilities which are available at no cost.


Re: [NVDA] Going to the top and bottom of a window

David Moore
 

Hi,
NVDA sure does have key commands to go to the top orb bottom of a window. If you are reading a document or such where the system carrot can follow along, you can just press CTRL+Home or CTRL+End to go to the top and bottom. If you are using the review cursor to read the text on objects, the laptop command is NVDA+CTRL+Home or End.
That is it.
David Moore

-----Original Message-----
From: John J. Boyer
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 5:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Going to the top and bottom of a window

NVDA does not seem to have keysrokes for going to the top or bottom of
a window. The other screenreaders that I have tried do have such
keystrokes. Why doesn't NVDA?

Thanks,

--
John J. Boyer; President,
AbilitiesSoft, Inc.
Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org
Website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: 501(C)(3) Nonprofit
Location: Madison, Wisconsin USA
Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with
disabilities which are available at no cost.


audioScreen.add on for nvda

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi guys

Has any one using NVDA with this add on used it on a touch display and
how did they find it.

the last I read about this add on I thought they stopped work on it but
it looks as though there is still work been done on it, but you will
need the latest version of nvda etc.

Gene nz




http://www.nvaccess.org/audioScreen/

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Re: mark voice

Lino Morales
 

Sorry you can't at the moment. Mark is apart of Narrator now.

On 8/10/2016 4:44 PM, Bobby wrote:
Hay I was wondering ware I can get Microsoft mark and eva. I did the windows 10 update last week and those voices didn't come with this update at all. I want those voices so I can start using them on nvda.



Going to the top and bottom of a window

John J. Boyer
 

NVDA does not seem to have keysrokes for going to the top or bottom of
a window. The other screenreaders that I have tried do have such
keystrokes. Why doesn't NVDA?

Thanks,

--
John J. Boyer; President,
AbilitiesSoft, Inc.
Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org
Website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: 501(C)(3) Nonprofit
Location: Madison, Wisconsin USA
Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with
disabilities which are available at no cost.


recent change

slery <slerythema@...>
 

In the last few days, I have noticed a change in how nvda reads in Outlook 2016. It used to say unread, read the subject, then it read the author.

 

It has now started saying “no associated drafts” before reading anything else about the message. What can I do to change this?

 

Latest nvda

Outlook 2016 (office 365)

Windows 10

 

Cindy


mark voice

Bobby <bvinton@...>
 

Hay I was wondering ware I can get Microsoft mark and eva. I did the windows 10 update last week and those voices didn't come with this update at all. I want those voices so I can start using them on nvda.


Re: Excel having a major lag when moving in between cells with NVDA

 

Hello,
Yes. I have also had the lag when I have exported lots of data into excel, mainly from quickbooks.
Thanks,

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 8:30 AM, Mike Sedmak <mcsedmak@...> wrote:
I just first experienced this same lag issue yesterday when editing a
fairly simple spreadsheet.  I observed the lag even just using the
arrow keys to move between cells.
I tried another spreadsheet and did not see the lag.  The first
difference I noticed was that the "laggy" spreadsheet includes
comments...

Is this consistent with your experience?

Thanks,
Mike


On 8/10/16, Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs@...> wrote:
> Hello,
> I am using the latest version of NVDA and Excel and I am suffering some
> major lag after doing actions like adding comments with shift+f2 and
> hitting OK.
> The lag is about 1.3 seconds and happens when moving between cells.
>
> Is there any kind of addon that increases the usability of the advanced
> features of Excel? For example, tables, graphs and charts?
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>
>





Re: Software Uninstallers

Kevin Cussick
 

Hi, I have the whole lot of utilities, will install later and play thanks for the pointer it is invaluable.

On 10/08/2016 12:22, Afrim wrote:
I think I used file recovery last year. You can download the set in an application rather than downloading aps one by one.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 9, 2016, at 10:36 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.io <the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:

have you tried anything else from this site?

On 09/08/2016 06:16, Afrim wrote:
I'm glad it works for you Kevin, I may post a short review on the group to introduce it to people.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 8, 2016, at 11:19 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.io <the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:

thanks very much this even beats the other program that I recommended, thanks again.

On 08/08/2016 21:14, Kevin Cussick via Groups.is wrote:
Yes please this would be good is it free or not? thanks in advance.

On 08/08/2016 05:59, Afrim wrote:
Hello,
I personally use Uninstaller from Puran Utilities, which is the most
accessible uninstaller I've ever seen.
If you'd like, I could give a link.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 7, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Carlos <gmjc341961@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello All!

Thank You! To everyone who suggested Bulk Crap Uninstaller as a
replacement for REVO Uninstaller.

Bulk Crap Uninstaller works great with NVDA! So, all who are not
happy with REVO can go ahead and say goodbye to REVO and use Bulk
Crap Uninstaller!

Thank You! To all who responded to the REVO is Inaccessible thread
and gave suggestions about better uninstaller software!



--
Carlos Gonzalez - Los Angeles, CA. - gmjc341961@gmail.com