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Re: Performance degradation in current Firefox

Kevin Chao
 

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 7:36 PM Kevin Chao <kevinchao89@...> wrote:
Textarea bug is fixed in Canary
On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 7:21 PM Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:
The only problem with Chrome that I've noticed is that, NVDA and Jaws fail to read the text I typed into an edit box. I experienced this on Facebook, not sure about other websites though.


Re: Performance degradation in current Firefox

Kevin Chao
 

Textarea bug is fixed in Canary

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 7:21 PM Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:
The only problem with Chrome that I've noticed is that, NVDA and Jaws fail to read the text I typed into an edit box. I experienced this on Facebook, not sure about other websites though.


Re: Performance degradation in current Firefox

 

The only problem with Chrome that I've noticed is that, NVDA and Jaws fail to read the text I typed into an edit box. I experienced this on Facebook, not sure about other websites though.


Re: Performance degradation in current Firefox

Kevin Chao
 

One of Chrome's strengths is performance...I experience 0% lag with MVDA when interacting with modern web apps.

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:11 PM Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:
I noticed performance issues with Firefox as well, but not just with NVDA, but Jaws as well, especially on Facebook where the browser lags. Firefox seemed to perform poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having any addons installed.


Re: Performance degradation in current Firefox

 

I noticed performance issues with Firefox as well, but not just with NVDA, but Jaws as well, especially on Facebook where the browser lags. Firefox seemed to perform poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having any addons installed.


Re: Google Chrome Settings

Gene
 

Thank you.  My version is 49.0.2623.108
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

Type following in Omnibar for version number: chrome://version
On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 4:49 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
My previous version was 49x it may have been something like 49.9 and perhaps a few more numbers.  I had the same inability to use quick navigation keys in that version.  My program updated today when I was trying to get my version information.  I couldn't get it properly because such trivial information is no longer visible to screen-readers, at least not the two I tested with, an older version of NVDA and an older version of JAWS.  I didn't test with a newer version of NVDA but I doubt it matters.  Whatever the newest general release version is, that should be the one I have. 
 
But don't worry.  Evidently, things work properly in Canary so one of these days, they will probably work properly one or two versions from now.  Then everything will be wonderful again until the developers break something else, may be six or eight months from now.
 
I'm sorry, but I have no patience for companies that profess a strong commitment to accessibility repeatedly and then don't examine their browser to make sure they don't break things.  And to make matters worse, you don't have any control over updates.  You can't turn off updates. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

Hi Gene

Yes, it’s the standard Chrome release that is causing me greif.  I’m using 2016.1 on version 49 of Chrome.  NVDA version 2015.4 worked fine with Chrome version 48, so it would be helpful if you could confirm your Chrome and NVDA versions and whether quick nav keys work in the settings page for you.    

 

Cheers

Chris

From: Gene [mailto:gsasner@...]
Sent: 26 March 2016 19:36
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

 

But you said you are using Canary.  I'm not.  I believe Canary is many versions ahead of what most users have.  Maybe the developers corrected the problems being discussed in later versions.  That, in my opinion, really doesn't make it alright for them to break things off and on in their rush to upgrade.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Kevin Chao

Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 2:25 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

 

Settings, about, version, etc. are all accessible with NVDA 2016.1 for me

 

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:19 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I seem to recall being able to use quick navigation keys awhile ago.  This may be just one more regression in the Chrome interface because, as I said, I couldn't use them recently.  that was with the same older version of NVDA. 

 

I also found, recently, that much of the about text was no longer accessible. 

 

It looks as though you will have to move through everything item by item, thanks to Chrome's obsession with upgrading the browser frenetically and not having perhaps the time or perhaps the staff to check to see if they have damaged or broken accessibility.  As I recall, I used to be able to use the search feature in NVDA so I could move very quickly to something I already knew was on the page.  I couldn't the last time I tried.  . 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 2:00 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

 

Could you confirm the Crome version on that?  I’m using Chrome version 49.0.2623.87 and when I load the Settings, NVDA lands me in a Search edit box and even though i have got automatic focus  mode for focus changes and Caret movement checked in the NVDA Browse settings, focus and browse modes do not engage and if invoked manually via NVDA+spacebar, Quick nav keys such as h and d will still not work.    

 

I’ve loaded Chrome Canary and the quick keys work fine on the settings page.  It’s driving me mad.

 

Cheers

Chris    

From: Kevin Chao [mailto:kevinchao89@...]
Sent: 26 March 2016 14:51
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

 

Chrome settings seems all accessible with quick-nav keys here

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 6:33 AM Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:

Hi

      Is anyone using Google Chrome and can they confirm if the settings page is accessible using navigation quick keys?

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

My chris.mullins4@... address will soon be closed

Please substitute this new address in your contacts list

 


Re: Google Chrome Settings

Kevin Chao
 

Type following in Omnibar for version number: chrome://version

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 4:49 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
My previous version was 49x it may have been something like 49.9 and perhaps a few more numbers.  I had the same inability to use quick navigation keys in that version.  My program updated today when I was trying to get my version information.  I couldn't get it properly because such trivial information is no longer visible to screen-readers, at least not the two I tested with, an older version of NVDA and an older version of JAWS.  I didn't test with a newer version of NVDA but I doubt it matters.  Whatever the newest general release version is, that should be the one I have. 
 
But don't worry.  Evidently, things work properly in Canary so one of these days, they will probably work properly one or two versions from now.  Then everything will be wonderful again until the developers break something else, may be six or eight months from now.
 
I'm sorry, but I have no patience for companies that profess a strong commitment to accessibility repeatedly and then don't examine their browser to make sure they don't break things.  And to make matters worse, you don't have any control over updates.  You can't turn off updates. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

Hi Gene

Yes, it’s the standard Chrome release that is causing me greif.  I’m using 2016.1 on version 49 of Chrome.  NVDA version 2015.4 worked fine with Chrome version 48, so it would be helpful if you could confirm your Chrome and NVDA versions and whether quick nav keys work in the settings page for you.    

 

Cheers

Chris

From: Gene [mailto:gsasner@...]
Sent: 26 March 2016 19:36
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

 

But you said you are using Canary.  I'm not.  I believe Canary is many versions ahead of what most users have.  Maybe the developers corrected the problems being discussed in later versions.  That, in my opinion, really doesn't make it alright for them to break things off and on in their rush to upgrade.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Kevin Chao

Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 2:25 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

 

Settings, about, version, etc. are all accessible with NVDA 2016.1 for me

 

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:19 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I seem to recall being able to use quick navigation keys awhile ago.  This may be just one more regression in the Chrome interface because, as I said, I couldn't use them recently.  that was with the same older version of NVDA. 

 

I also found, recently, that much of the about text was no longer accessible. 

 

It looks as though you will have to move through everything item by item, thanks to Chrome's obsession with upgrading the browser frenetically and not having perhaps the time or perhaps the staff to check to see if they have damaged or broken accessibility.  As I recall, I used to be able to use the search feature in NVDA so I could move very quickly to something I already knew was on the page.  I couldn't the last time I tried.  . 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 2:00 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

 

Could you confirm the Crome version on that?  I’m using Chrome version 49.0.2623.87 and when I load the Settings, NVDA lands me in a Search edit box and even though i have got automatic focus  mode for focus changes and Caret movement checked in the NVDA Browse settings, focus and browse modes do not engage and if invoked manually via NVDA+spacebar, Quick nav keys such as h and d will still not work.    

 

I’ve loaded Chrome Canary and the quick keys work fine on the settings page.  It’s driving me mad.

 

Cheers

Chris    

From: Kevin Chao [mailto:kevinchao89@...]
Sent: 26 March 2016 14:51
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

 

Chrome settings seems all accessible with quick-nav keys here

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 6:33 AM Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:

Hi

      Is anyone using Google Chrome and can they confirm if the settings page is accessible using navigation quick keys?

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

My chris.mullins4@... address will soon be closed

Please substitute this new address in your contacts list

 


Re: Google Chrome Settings

Gene
 

My previous version was 49x it may have been something like 49.9 and perhaps a few more numbers.  I had the same inability to use quick navigation keys in that version.  My program updated today when I was trying to get my version information.  I couldn't get it properly because such trivial information is no longer visible to screen-readers, at least not the two I tested with, an older version of NVDA and an older version of JAWS.  I didn't test with a newer version of NVDA but I doubt it matters.  Whatever the newest general release version is, that should be the one I have. 
 
But don't worry.  Evidently, things work properly in Canary so one of these days, they will probably work properly one or two versions from now.  Then everything will be wonderful again until the developers break something else, may be six or eight months from now.
 
I'm sorry, but I have no patience for companies that profess a strong commitment to accessibility repeatedly and then don't examine their browser to make sure they don't break things.  And to make matters worse, you don't have any control over updates.  You can't turn off updates. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

Hi Gene

Yes, it’s the standard Chrome release that is causing me greif.  I’m using 2016.1 on version 49 of Chrome.  NVDA version 2015.4 worked fine with Chrome version 48, so it would be helpful if you could confirm your Chrome and NVDA versions and whether quick nav keys work in the settings page for you.    

 

Cheers

Chris

From: Gene [mailto:gsasner@...]
Sent: 26 March 2016 19:36
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

 

But you said you are using Canary.  I'm not.  I believe Canary is many versions ahead of what most users have.  Maybe the developers corrected the problems being discussed in later versions.  That, in my opinion, really doesn't make it alright for them to break things off and on in their rush to upgrade.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Kevin Chao

Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 2:25 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

 

Settings, about, version, etc. are all accessible with NVDA 2016.1 for me

 

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:19 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I seem to recall being able to use quick navigation keys awhile ago.  This may be just one more regression in the Chrome interface because, as I said, I couldn't use them recently.  that was with the same older version of NVDA. 

 

I also found, recently, that much of the about text was no longer accessible. 

 

It looks as though you will have to move through everything item by item, thanks to Chrome's obsession with upgrading the browser frenetically and not having perhaps the time or perhaps the staff to check to see if they have damaged or broken accessibility.  As I recall, I used to be able to use the search feature in NVDA so I could move very quickly to something I already knew was on the page.  I couldn't the last time I tried.  . 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 2:00 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

 

Could you confirm the Crome version on that?  I’m using Chrome version 49.0.2623.87 and when I load the Settings, NVDA lands me in a Search edit box and even though i have got automatic focus  mode for focus changes and Caret movement checked in the NVDA Browse settings, focus and browse modes do not engage and if invoked manually via NVDA+spacebar, Quick nav keys such as h and d will still not work.    

 

I’ve loaded Chrome Canary and the quick keys work fine on the settings page.  It’s driving me mad.

 

Cheers

Chris    

From: Kevin Chao [mailto:kevinchao89@...]
Sent: 26 March 2016 14:51
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

 

Chrome settings seems all accessible with quick-nav keys here

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 6:33 AM Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:

Hi

      Is anyone using Google Chrome and can they confirm if the settings page is accessible using navigation quick keys?

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

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Please substitute this new address in your contacts list

 


Re: skype going universal

Arlene
 

Oh! Okay if yu are using it for work. then by all means use Skype for it! Okay! okay! That makes sense! Then, I'll just retire the idea that it's junk!

-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss [mailto:@smeveriss]
Sent: March-26-16 3:48 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] skype going universal

Well I didn't used to care about skype but I have to use it for work and
since most of it is online.
Most work is via text some by audio.
Skype is good for me for the fact that when required family can use
video with eachother, I also have a good quality speaker system for
groups locally in my room.

For me its good to use video if I need to show my face to someone that
has sight.
However I didn't think I'd use it that much its a big part of my life
though.



On 26/03/2016 11:58 p.m., Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:
I also use Skype, but didn't text a lot as most of my friends don't use it; instead I used Line on my iPhone and FB chat through the main Facebook site as those are what the majority of my friends use.


Re: skype going universal

Arlene
 

Oh, that must have been a big scare! I'm glad you got it fixed! I'm joking! I say skype is junk! Loll!

-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss [mailto:@smeveriss]
Sent: March-25-16 10:27 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] skype going universal

Well I do use it and I like it.
There is no other way to chat without skype now.
And I am used to it, the desktop interface is mostly ok.
However according to ms skype support it will be a while before they
quit using the thing.
I have heard that miranda can interface with skype, and if that is the
case if it can run without skype I may try that, and also may uuse it
instead.
The only big issue with skype is because I have so many capture devices,
vertual and real mics and sound devices sometimes skype has issues
finding the right device.
So then it will start, stop all sound and lock the system for 5 minutes
while it tries to find out.
I got really angery at this a couple weeks back and thought that I'd
just go and bash the computer or reformat it and then smash it but I
went into the settings andd what do you know?
Every input device was set on a capture device which is part of a
vertual recorder which isn't even supposed to be used and I was able to
switch it to the right device and have it stay there by default and
although I have updated it its never tried to scan again!



On 26/03/2016 4:30 p.m., Arlene wrote:
I don’t use it either. Joking! In case people use it. Skype is junk!

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account [mailto:bglists@...]
Sent: March-25-16 3:21 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] skype going universal

Seems a bit daft to cut any form of existing system that gives more people
access.
I hardly ever use Skype any more. Its about time that Apple released their
system so third party providors could add it to other platforms.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 5:58 AM
Subject: [nvda] skype going universal


Hi.
Forgot what list this origionally came on but someone was talking about an
app releasefor skype and the phasing out of desktop.
I did a chat with support, who told me that they were not even planning to
release the universal just yet and don't know when that will be.
I asked them to give us a classic interface with same keyboard layout and
no ribbons weather this changes things I don't know but at least I tried.









Re: prevent pages from refreshing

Kevin Chao
 

What help is needed with these 2? Details are sparse in request.

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 4:31 PM mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo&mrs. AdonnihHappiness Obima Oguledo <happychikao@...> wrote:
hello the lady. on this needs help with www.gmail.com &google.com
email see u next week

On 3/26/16, Patrick Le Baudour <p.lebaudour@...> wrote:
> Ah... looks like it's not the page that's 'refreshing' every time, it's
> part of the content that's changed. Since some of those changes can be
> needed on the same site (like adding somethingh to the cart feedback),
> it would probably mean trying   to stop timer events. Not sure how hard
> that'd  be, but probably all but trivial.
>
> -- Patrick
> Le 26/03/2016 21:47, Kevin Chao a écrit :
>> http://shouldiuseacarousel.com
>> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 1:43 PM Mallard <mallard@...
>> <mailto:mallard@...>> wrote:
>>
>>     Now then,
>>
>>     The issue exists, because there are forums discussing it for devs.
>> They
>>     call the thing "Carousels" or "slideshows", or something else that I
>>     can't remember now.
>>
>>     I provided an example of a site
>>
>>     www.esselungaacasa.it <http://www.esselungaacasa.it>
>>
>>     But I'm afraid you ahve to log in with username and password to see
>> that
>>     particular area of the sit.
>>     Actually, "that particular area" is supposed to be in the Accessible
>>     section of the site, and it's the whole Supermarket area...
>>
>>     Firefox 45.0.1, Latest NvDA Next Snapshot, Espeak, Freedom
>> Scientific's
>>     pm 40 3.70 braille display.
>>     Ollie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     Il 26/03/2016 20:36, Lino Morales ha scritto:
>>      > Kevin here is one. If any of you are fans of Rick Dees and the
>> Weekly
>>      > Top 40 his site refreshes a lot.
>>      > www.rick.com <http://www.rick.com>
>>      >
>>      > On 3/26/2016 3:34 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
>>      >> Can someone please provide examples of thes type of sites?
>>      >>
>>      >> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:30 PM Arno Schuh
>>     <arno.schuh@... <mailto:arno.schuh@...>>
>>      >> wrote:
>>      >>
>>      >>     Hi,
>>      >>
>>      >>     Am Samstag, 26. März 2016 17:40 schrieb Gene
>>     <gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...>>:
>>      >>
>>      >>     > Are you referring to the setting concerning metarefresh in
>>     Internet
>>      >>     > Explorer?
>>      >>
>>      >>     That's the option. But it is pretty cumbersome to activate
>> and
>>      >>     deactivate
>>      >>     this option anytime you came across such a site.
>>      >>     In Cobra you simply press letter s to freeze the site, and
>>     simply
>>      >>     press
>>      >>     letter s again to set it free again.
>>      >>     And of course it is no solution to keep the metarefresh
>> option
>>      >>     deactivated,
>>      >>     because if so some sites don't work properly; i. e. you
>>     can't log
>>      >>     in some
>>      >>     site, can't select list items in a list etc.
>>      >>
>>      >>     So a simple feature like in Cobra would be pretty helpful
>> when
>>      >>     you came
>>      >>     across such a site.
>>      >>
>>      >>     Yours sincerely
>>      >>
>>      >>     Arno
>>      >>
>>      >>
>>      >>
>>      >>
>>      >>
>>      >
>>      >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>


--
• Watch your thoughts, for they become words.
 Watch your words, for they become actions.
 Watch your actions, for they become habits.
 Watch your habits, for they become character.
 Watch your character, for it becomes your destiny.




Re: prevent pages from refreshing

mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo&mrs. AdonnihHappiness Obima Oguledo
 

hello the lady. on this needs help with www.gmail.com &google.com
email see u next week

On 3/26/16, Patrick Le Baudour <p.lebaudour@...> wrote:
Ah... looks like it's not the page that's 'refreshing' every time, it's
part of the content that's changed. Since some of those changes can be
needed on the same site (like adding somethingh to the cart feedback),
it would probably mean trying to stop timer events. Not sure how hard
that'd be, but probably all but trivial.

-- Patrick
Le 26/03/2016 21:47, Kevin Chao a écrit :
http://shouldiuseacarousel.com
On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 1:43 PM Mallard <mallard@...
<mailto:mallard@...>> wrote:

Now then,

The issue exists, because there are forums discussing it for devs.
They
call the thing "Carousels" or "slideshows", or something else that I
can't remember now.

I provided an example of a site

www.esselungaacasa.it <http://www.esselungaacasa.it>

But I'm afraid you ahve to log in with username and password to see
that
particular area of the sit.
Actually, "that particular area" is supposed to be in the Accessible
section of the site, and it's the whole Supermarket area...

Firefox 45.0.1, Latest NvDA Next Snapshot, Espeak, Freedom
Scientific's
pm 40 3.70 braille display.
Ollie




Il 26/03/2016 20:36, Lino Morales ha scritto:
> Kevin here is one. If any of you are fans of Rick Dees and the
Weekly
> Top 40 his site refreshes a lot.
> www.rick.com <http://www.rick.com>
>
> On 3/26/2016 3:34 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
>> Can someone please provide examples of thes type of sites?
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:30 PM Arno Schuh
<@menschomat <mailto:@menschomat>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Am Samstag, 26. März 2016 17:40 schrieb Gene
<gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...>>:
>>
>> > Are you referring to the setting concerning metarefresh in
Internet
>> > Explorer?
>>
>> That's the option. But it is pretty cumbersome to activate
and
>> deactivate
>> this option anytime you came across such a site.
>> In Cobra you simply press letter s to freeze the site, and
simply
>> press
>> letter s again to set it free again.
>> And of course it is no solution to keep the metarefresh
option
>> deactivated,
>> because if so some sites don't work properly; i. e. you
can't log
>> in some
>> site, can't select list items in a list etc.
>>
>> So a simple feature like in Cobra would be pretty helpful
when
>> you came
>> across such a site.
>>
>> Yours sincerely
>>
>> Arno
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>






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• Watch your thoughts, for they become words.
Watch your words, for they become actions.
Watch your actions, for they become habits.
Watch your habits, for they become character.
Watch your character, for it becomes your destiny.


Re: Performance degradation in current Firefox

 

yes I have noticed this.
sometimes its faster depending on the net.
I try to get as much stuff done in the morning as the afternoon and evening seems to be the worst time to brouse.
I have killed a few addons and such.
However nvda has crashed a lot with ff.
That doesn't mean I waill abandon it though, its better than ie and chrome I don't know if I would trust it or not.
Pluss firefox is still good for what I want.

On 27/03/2016 3:10 a.m., Felix G. wrote:
Hello list!
Is anyone else experiencing sluggish behavior in Firefox 45? Specifically,
the following occurs for me with NVDA, but may or may not be related to
NVDA of course:
- NVDA randomly repeating the Window title
- Navigation sometimes bounces back to the previously selected element if I
go too fast. When navigating very slowly this does not occur. By
navigation, I refer to the arrow keys and also to quick nav keys like h for
heading and k for link.
- Responsiveness is generally slow when arrowing around in complex web
pages like Facebook, Youtube etc.
I am suspecting NVDA is involved to some extent as the affected key
commands are interpreted by NVDA rather than by FF.
Has anyone experienced this, and found a way to recover?
Kind regards and happy Easter to all of you who celebrate it,
Felix Grützmacher


Re: Any NVDA users using inbox.google.com

 

I havn't really liked it unless I am not doing it right I can see the list and descriptions but hmmm.
I like the old style google interface and thunderbird.

On 27/03/2016 7:00 a.m., Kevin Chao wrote:
Meet your new inbox.

Built on everything we learned from Gmail, Inbox is a fresh start that goes
beyond email to help you get back to what matters.

https://www.google.com/inbox/

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 10:30 PM Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:

I agree inn theory as long as your client supports ssl or tls andd most
of them if not all do it shouldn't matter.
I can remember when you had to buy ssl support and manualy email people
that banned me from various sites and groups because I was blacklisted
as a spammer.
I did ask if ssl was supported though this was when it was new, they
didn't, yahoogroups was one such system.
They all support it now thank god but older clients that don't get
updates to certifficates may have issues accessing things.



On 25/03/2016 11:22 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Glad you feel that way. I guess its what you want it to be.
I still find any offline client much better as it cannot cchange at the
whim of the web site maker.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Chao" <kevinchao89@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Any NVDA users using inbox.google.com


Inbox by Gmail only has one view that is accessible with NVDA+Firefox.
The
keyboard shortcuts, bundles, smart links/replies, etc. make it delightful
and efficient
On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 3:30 PM Ben J. Bloomgren <bbloomgren@...>
wrote:

Brian, Felix and all,

Does this Inbox make use of standard and basic HTML views?

Ben

On Mar 24, 2016, at 10:06, Brian's Mail list account <
bglists@...> wrote:

I am not sure what inbox in this context is. If you mean webmail
standard interface, then only under extreme conditions, as its not very
easy to work fast in my view, and seems to be a bit peculiar in the
sort of
default send formats it uses.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Armando" <braille.bt4753@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Any NVDA users using inbox.google.com


No. I use Mozilla Thunderbird as my email client. I don't use
inbox.google.com/.

On 3/24/2016 5:17 AM, Felix G. wrote:
Hello list,
I also use Inbox, as I find it corresponds with how I think about
email, more like a living to-do list than electronic letters.
Kind regards,
Felix

On Wed, 23 Mar 2016 at 07:24 Ben J. Bloomgren <
bbloomgren@...
<mailto:bbloomgren@...>> wrote:

I’m a mail client guy, but I’ll check it out. I like the
flexibility of email clients, and I have tended to look down on
webmail. I’ll check Inbox out though.

Thanks,

Ben

On Mar 22, 2016, at 7:39 PM, Kevin Chao <kevinchao89@...
<mailto:kevinchao89@...>> wrote:

For the longest, I've been using gmail.com <http://gmail.com/>
with Firefox+NVDA, but recently switched to inbox.google.com
<http://inbox.google.com/> .
Was curious to know if others have tried Inbox or are using it?
I really like the bundles, pinning, snoozing, smart-replies, and
smart links.










Re: Performance degradation in current Firefox

 

Hmmm.
I have always changed pdfs association to start the pdf reader of my choice or save the file.
Pdfs do take a bit to load.
Of late, especially if running bt sync but sometimes firefox and a few other windows say 1-2 windows, like say coppying 2 drives with 2 folders of info at once.
Nvda can have what I can only discrube as a focus issue.
It seems to loose focus on the desktop or something where I then get hitting esc and start menu starts, if I hit esc the desktop appears but only half way.
It happens when I exit bt sync 1x and skype latest to sometimes and I have to fix it with an nvda restart.
Its happened to much yesterday, at first I thought it was a virus but no virus and no malware as far as malwarebytes says so I know I am in the clear.
from time to time I hear hardware disconnecting and reconnecting, but I am sure its probably because I am exhausting my usb's power unit with my keyboard, its an old chinese usb I got ages ago and probably needs an upgrade to handle itself so I am not worrying so much, it works well enough for what I need it for.
It usually only happens once every few days but yesterday it happened just to much for my liking, at least 10 times.
I had a lot of work to do that day, its not happened yet today but that doesn't mean it won't.
Luckily I am almost finnished for the day.
I have noticed though that firefox has included a feature called hello I am not sure what this beta plugin does but its a mozilla thing.
I have via ccleaner turned it off and now firefox hasn't crashed yet though it may, I really should upgrade my hub as I am flogging it right now but oh well.

On 27/03/2016 6:05 a.m., Pete wrote:

Hi any one

I click on a p d f file link in e-mail, fire fox opens it up then
nvda stops speaking for around a minute.
Pressing the start button or trying to switch open windows with alt +
tab nvda stays quiet.

Pete




Re: skype going universal

 

Well I didn't used to care about skype but I have to use it for work and since most of it is online.
Most work is via text some by audio.
Skype is good for me for the fact that when required family can use video with eachother, I also have a good quality speaker system for groups locally in my room.

For me its good to use video if I need to show my face to someone that has sight.
However I didn't think I'd use it that much its a big part of my life though.

On 26/03/2016 11:58 p.m., Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:
I also use Skype, but didn't text a lot as most of my friends don't use it; instead I used Line on my iPhone and FB chat through the main Facebook site as those are what the majority of my friends use.


Re: Performance degradation in current Firefox

Mário Navarro
 



Yes, happens to me.
NVDA is very unstable in this update.
NVDA is also very heavy on windows 10 after brouzing  for some time ...
I have to restart  NVDA to get fine again.
unfortunately NVDA every new update, is getting worse and very heavy.
and I not have many addons installed
I had to go back to using jaws because it is very light and fast.
cheers.       



Às 14:10 de 26/03/2016, Felix G. escreveu:

Hello list!
Is anyone else experiencing sluggish behavior in Firefox 45? Specifically, the following occurs for me with NVDA, but may or may not be related to NVDA of course:
- NVDA randomly repeating the Window title
- Navigation sometimes bounces back to the previously selected element if I go too fast. When navigating very slowly this does not occur. By navigation, I refer to the arrow keys and also to quick nav keys like h for heading and k for link.
- Responsiveness is generally slow when arrowing around in complex web pages like Facebook, Youtube etc.
I am suspecting NVDA is involved to some extent as the affected key commands are interpreted by NVDA rather than by FF.
Has anyone experienced this, and found a way to recover?
Kind regards and happy Easter to all of you who celebrate it,
Felix Grützmacher


Re: Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

I would, if I knew how, or where to go to do it.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

@AHeart4God316
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Cussick via Groups.io" <the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build


so create a ticket it might happen!

On 26/03/2016 13:03, Alexander Masic wrote:
Personaly i think it could be an good idea. I think many like me often
forgot to check for updates even for snapshot, so at least some kind of
notification would be apresiated.



Den 2016-03-26 kl. 13:54, skrev Kevin Cussick via Groups.io:
no this is not a good idea, a newbey might try this feature that you
want and download a snap and it might have problems then threw word of
mouth nvda gets a bad reputation, this was asked for some years ago
and the devs gave this explanation of why it was a bad idea I agree
with them.

On 26/03/2016 03:51, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
I was just thinking how cool of a feature this would be, and I'd not
think it would be terribly hard either to implement.
How hard would it be from the official build, like in this case, 2016.1,
to put an option in the NVDA menu, maybe under Tools, that automatically
like downloading updates would let the user download and install the
latest snapshot build rather than them having to go out to the web site
and manually get it. Either that, or maybe under the General tab of
preferences, where you have the box to check or uncheck for checking for
updates, maybe have another one that says download snapshot builds when
updating.
What do you all think?
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.
@AHeart4God316 <mailto:@AHeart4God316>
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.



Re: Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Well, when on a snapshot, it actually does notify you of updates at this point. Not sure when the last time was you tried.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

@AHeart4God316
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexander Masic" <list@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build


Personaly i think it could be an good idea. I think many like me often forgot to check for updates even for snapshot, so at least some kind of notification would be apresiated.



Den 2016-03-26 kl. 13:54, skrev Kevin Cussick via Groups.io:
no this is not a good idea, a newbey might try this feature that you want and download a snap and it might have problems then threw word of mouth nvda gets a bad reputation, this was asked for some years ago and the devs gave this explanation of why it was a bad idea I agree with them.

On 26/03/2016 03:51, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
I was just thinking how cool of a feature this would be, and I'd not
think it would be terribly hard either to implement.
How hard would it be from the official build, like in this case, 2016.1,
to put an option in the NVDA menu, maybe under Tools, that automatically
like downloading updates would let the user download and install the
latest snapshot build rather than them having to go out to the web site
and manually get it. Either that, or maybe under the General tab of
preferences, where you have the box to check or uncheck for checking for
updates, maybe have another one that says download snapshot builds when
updating.
What do you all think?
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.
@AHeart4God316 <mailto:@AHeart4God316>
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.


Re: prevent pages from refreshing

Patrick Le Baudour
 

Ah... looks like it's not the page that's 'refreshing' every time, it's part of the content that's changed. Since some of those changes can be needed on the same site (like adding somethingh to the cart feedback), it would probably mean trying to stop timer events. Not sure how hard that'd be, but probably all but trivial.

-- Patrick

Le 26/03/2016 21:47, Kevin Chao a écrit :
http://shouldiuseacarousel.com
On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 1:43 PM Mallard <mallard@...
<mailto:mallard@...>> wrote:

Now then,

The issue exists, because there are forums discussing it for devs. They
call the thing "Carousels" or "slideshows", or something else that I
can't remember now.

I provided an example of a site

www.esselungaacasa.it <http://www.esselungaacasa.it>

But I'm afraid you ahve to log in with username and password to see that
particular area of the sit.
Actually, "that particular area" is supposed to be in the Accessible
section of the site, and it's the whole Supermarket area...

Firefox 45.0.1, Latest NvDA Next Snapshot, Espeak, Freedom Scientific's
pm 40 3.70 braille display.
Ollie




Il 26/03/2016 20:36, Lino Morales ha scritto:
> Kevin here is one. If any of you are fans of Rick Dees and the Weekly
> Top 40 his site refreshes a lot.
> www.rick.com <http://www.rick.com>
>
> On 3/26/2016 3:34 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
>> Can someone please provide examples of thes type of sites?
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:30 PM Arno Schuh
<@menschomat <mailto:@menschomat>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Am Samstag, 26. März 2016 17:40 schrieb Gene
<gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...>>:
>>
>> > Are you referring to the setting concerning metarefresh in
Internet
>> > Explorer?
>>
>> That's the option. But it is pretty cumbersome to activate and
>> deactivate
>> this option anytime you came across such a site.
>> In Cobra you simply press letter s to freeze the site, and
simply
>> press
>> letter s again to set it free again.
>> And of course it is no solution to keep the metarefresh option
>> deactivated,
>> because if so some sites don't work properly; i. e. you
can't log
>> in some
>> site, can't select list items in a list etc.
>>
>> So a simple feature like in Cobra would be pretty helpful when
>> you came
>> across such a site.
>>
>> Yours sincerely
>>
>> Arno
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>