Date   

Re: Performance degradation in current Firefox

 

Hmmm.
I have always changed pdfs association to start the pdf reader of my choice or save the file.
Pdfs do take a bit to load.
Of late, especially if running bt sync but sometimes firefox and a few other windows say 1-2 windows, like say coppying 2 drives with 2 folders of info at once.
Nvda can have what I can only discrube as a focus issue.
It seems to loose focus on the desktop or something where I then get hitting esc and start menu starts, if I hit esc the desktop appears but only half way.
It happens when I exit bt sync 1x and skype latest to sometimes and I have to fix it with an nvda restart.
Its happened to much yesterday, at first I thought it was a virus but no virus and no malware as far as malwarebytes says so I know I am in the clear.
from time to time I hear hardware disconnecting and reconnecting, but I am sure its probably because I am exhausting my usb's power unit with my keyboard, its an old chinese usb I got ages ago and probably needs an upgrade to handle itself so I am not worrying so much, it works well enough for what I need it for.
It usually only happens once every few days but yesterday it happened just to much for my liking, at least 10 times.
I had a lot of work to do that day, its not happened yet today but that doesn't mean it won't.
Luckily I am almost finnished for the day.
I have noticed though that firefox has included a feature called hello I am not sure what this beta plugin does but its a mozilla thing.
I have via ccleaner turned it off and now firefox hasn't crashed yet though it may, I really should upgrade my hub as I am flogging it right now but oh well.

On 27/03/2016 6:05 a.m., Pete wrote:

Hi any one

I click on a p d f file link in e-mail, fire fox opens it up then
nvda stops speaking for around a minute.
Pressing the start button or trying to switch open windows with alt +
tab nvda stays quiet.

Pete




Re: skype going universal

 

Well I didn't used to care about skype but I have to use it for work and since most of it is online.
Most work is via text some by audio.
Skype is good for me for the fact that when required family can use video with eachother, I also have a good quality speaker system for groups locally in my room.

For me its good to use video if I need to show my face to someone that has sight.
However I didn't think I'd use it that much its a big part of my life though.

On 26/03/2016 11:58 p.m., Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:
I also use Skype, but didn't text a lot as most of my friends don't use it; instead I used Line on my iPhone and FB chat through the main Facebook site as those are what the majority of my friends use.


Re: Performance degradation in current Firefox

Mário Navarro
 



Yes, happens to me.
NVDA is very unstable in this update.
NVDA is also very heavy on windows 10 after brouzing  for some time ...
I have to restart  NVDA to get fine again.
unfortunately NVDA every new update, is getting worse and very heavy.
and I not have many addons installed
I had to go back to using jaws because it is very light and fast.
cheers.       



Às 14:10 de 26/03/2016, Felix G. escreveu:

Hello list!
Is anyone else experiencing sluggish behavior in Firefox 45? Specifically, the following occurs for me with NVDA, but may or may not be related to NVDA of course:
- NVDA randomly repeating the Window title
- Navigation sometimes bounces back to the previously selected element if I go too fast. When navigating very slowly this does not occur. By navigation, I refer to the arrow keys and also to quick nav keys like h for heading and k for link.
- Responsiveness is generally slow when arrowing around in complex web pages like Facebook, Youtube etc.
I am suspecting NVDA is involved to some extent as the affected key commands are interpreted by NVDA rather than by FF.
Has anyone experienced this, and found a way to recover?
Kind regards and happy Easter to all of you who celebrate it,
Felix Grützmacher


Re: Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

I would, if I knew how, or where to go to do it.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

@AHeart4God316
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Cussick via Groups.io" <the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build


so create a ticket it might happen!

On 26/03/2016 13:03, Alexander Masic wrote:
Personaly i think it could be an good idea. I think many like me often
forgot to check for updates even for snapshot, so at least some kind of
notification would be apresiated.



Den 2016-03-26 kl. 13:54, skrev Kevin Cussick via Groups.io:
no this is not a good idea, a newbey might try this feature that you
want and download a snap and it might have problems then threw word of
mouth nvda gets a bad reputation, this was asked for some years ago
and the devs gave this explanation of why it was a bad idea I agree
with them.

On 26/03/2016 03:51, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
I was just thinking how cool of a feature this would be, and I'd not
think it would be terribly hard either to implement.
How hard would it be from the official build, like in this case, 2016.1,
to put an option in the NVDA menu, maybe under Tools, that automatically
like downloading updates would let the user download and install the
latest snapshot build rather than them having to go out to the web site
and manually get it. Either that, or maybe under the General tab of
preferences, where you have the box to check or uncheck for checking for
updates, maybe have another one that says download snapshot builds when
updating.
What do you all think?
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.
@AHeart4God316 <mailto:@AHeart4God316>
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.



Re: Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Well, when on a snapshot, it actually does notify you of updates at this point. Not sure when the last time was you tried.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

@AHeart4God316
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexander Masic" <list@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build


Personaly i think it could be an good idea. I think many like me often forgot to check for updates even for snapshot, so at least some kind of notification would be apresiated.



Den 2016-03-26 kl. 13:54, skrev Kevin Cussick via Groups.io:
no this is not a good idea, a newbey might try this feature that you want and download a snap and it might have problems then threw word of mouth nvda gets a bad reputation, this was asked for some years ago and the devs gave this explanation of why it was a bad idea I agree with them.

On 26/03/2016 03:51, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
I was just thinking how cool of a feature this would be, and I'd not
think it would be terribly hard either to implement.
How hard would it be from the official build, like in this case, 2016.1,
to put an option in the NVDA menu, maybe under Tools, that automatically
like downloading updates would let the user download and install the
latest snapshot build rather than them having to go out to the web site
and manually get it. Either that, or maybe under the General tab of
preferences, where you have the box to check or uncheck for checking for
updates, maybe have another one that says download snapshot builds when
updating.
What do you all think?
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.
@AHeart4God316 <mailto:@AHeart4God316>
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.


Re: prevent pages from refreshing

Patrick Le Baudour
 

Ah... looks like it's not the page that's 'refreshing' every time, it's part of the content that's changed. Since some of those changes can be needed on the same site (like adding somethingh to the cart feedback), it would probably mean trying to stop timer events. Not sure how hard that'd be, but probably all but trivial.

-- Patrick

Le 26/03/2016 21:47, Kevin Chao a écrit :
http://shouldiuseacarousel.com
On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 1:43 PM Mallard <mallard@...
<mailto:mallard@...>> wrote:

Now then,

The issue exists, because there are forums discussing it for devs. They
call the thing "Carousels" or "slideshows", or something else that I
can't remember now.

I provided an example of a site

www.esselungaacasa.it <http://www.esselungaacasa.it>

But I'm afraid you ahve to log in with username and password to see that
particular area of the sit.
Actually, "that particular area" is supposed to be in the Accessible
section of the site, and it's the whole Supermarket area...

Firefox 45.0.1, Latest NvDA Next Snapshot, Espeak, Freedom Scientific's
pm 40 3.70 braille display.
Ollie




Il 26/03/2016 20:36, Lino Morales ha scritto:
> Kevin here is one. If any of you are fans of Rick Dees and the Weekly
> Top 40 his site refreshes a lot.
> www.rick.com <http://www.rick.com>
>
> On 3/26/2016 3:34 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
>> Can someone please provide examples of thes type of sites?
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:30 PM Arno Schuh
<@menschomat <mailto:@menschomat>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Am Samstag, 26. März 2016 17:40 schrieb Gene
<gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...>>:
>>
>> > Are you referring to the setting concerning metarefresh in
Internet
>> > Explorer?
>>
>> That's the option. But it is pretty cumbersome to activate and
>> deactivate
>> this option anytime you came across such a site.
>> In Cobra you simply press letter s to freeze the site, and
simply
>> press
>> letter s again to set it free again.
>> And of course it is no solution to keep the metarefresh option
>> deactivated,
>> because if so some sites don't work properly; i. e. you
can't log
>> in some
>> site, can't select list items in a list etc.
>>
>> So a simple feature like in Cobra would be pretty helpful when
>> you came
>> across such a site.
>>
>> Yours sincerely
>>
>> Arno
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>





Re: Google Chrome Settings

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Gene

Yes, it’s the standard Chrome release that is causing me greif.  I’m using 2016.1 on version 49 of Chrome.  NVDA version 2015.4 worked fine with Chrome version 48, so it would be helpful if you could confirm your Chrome and NVDA versions and whether quick nav keys work in the settings page for you.    

 

Cheers

Chris

From: Gene [mailto:gsasner@...]
Sent: 26 March 2016 19:36
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

 

But you said you are using Canary.  I'm not.  I believe Canary is many versions ahead of what most users have.  Maybe the developers corrected the problems being discussed in later versions.  That, in my opinion, really doesn't make it alright for them to break things off and on in their rush to upgrade.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Kevin Chao

Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 2:25 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

 

Settings, about, version, etc. are all accessible with NVDA 2016.1 for me

 

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:19 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I seem to recall being able to use quick navigation keys awhile ago.  This may be just one more regression in the Chrome interface because, as I said, I couldn't use them recently.  that was with the same older version of NVDA. 

 

I also found, recently, that much of the about text was no longer accessible. 

 

It looks as though you will have to move through everything item by item, thanks to Chrome's obsession with upgrading the browser frenetically and not having perhaps the time or perhaps the staff to check to see if they have damaged or broken accessibility.  As I recall, I used to be able to use the search feature in NVDA so I could move very quickly to something I already knew was on the page.  I couldn't the last time I tried.  . 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 2:00 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

 

Could you confirm the Crome version on that?  I’m using Chrome version 49.0.2623.87 and when I load the Settings, NVDA lands me in a Search edit box and even though i have got automatic focus  mode for focus changes and Caret movement checked in the NVDA Browse settings, focus and browse modes do not engage and if invoked manually via NVDA+spacebar, Quick nav keys such as h and d will still not work.    

 

I’ve loaded Chrome Canary and the quick keys work fine on the settings page.  It’s driving me mad.

 

Cheers

Chris    

From: Kevin Chao [mailto:kevinchao89@...]
Sent: 26 March 2016 14:51
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

 

Chrome settings seems all accessible with quick-nav keys here

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 6:33 AM Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:

Hi

      Is anyone using Google Chrome and can they confirm if the settings page is accessible using navigation quick keys?

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

My chris.mullins4@... address will soon be closed

Please substitute this new address in your contacts list

 


Re: prevent pages from refreshing

Chris Mullins
 

In my original post I said NVDA+4 on number row which is used to toggle 'Speak Command keys' which at Josephs prompting, I amended to NVDA+5 on number row, which toggles 'Report Dynamic content changes'. The only keystroke I know regarding the navigator object is NVDA+7 on number row which is 'Focus moves navigator object'.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: Mallard [mailto:mallard@...]
Sent: 26 March 2016 20:50
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing

Thanks Joseph.

The command Chris referred to had to do with moving the navigator to previous object, which didn't seem to be the right one for me.

In the Supermarket site I gave as an example, my son managed to go to Ad Block plus and actually remove the Carousel, but that's pretty hard to do, as you need a mouse and need to know a specific code.
Now I'm set for online shopping on that site, but the problem is there on other sites.
Ciao,
Ollie




Il 26/03/2016 18:14, Joseph Lee ha scritto:

Hi,

If this happens on all browsers, chances are that we the developers
will need to dive into this; but if this is specific to one or two
browsers, this is going to be tough to fix.

A page refresh may happen due to several reasons, namely
Javascript-based, live regions, dynamic parts of pages and so on.

As for the command given, it is actually NVDA+5 (toggling dynamic
content changes).

Cheers,

Joseph

*From:*Kevin Chao [mailto:kevinchao89@...]
*Sent:* Saturday, March 26, 2016 9:15 AM
*To:* nvda@groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing

Has anyone filed a NVDA github issue on this? If so, what's link to
bug? Thanks!

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 8:38 AM Patrick Le Baudour
<p.lebaudour@... <mailto:p.lebaudour@...>> wrote:

if it is that important, maybe you should post a ticket on the dev
site ?
As it is browser-dependant, it isn't that easy... it can probably be
done, but i'd guess it would be quicker to find the option for most
browsers. I've done it long ago in firefox and IE.

Not sure about javascript-based refreshing, though.


-- Patrick
Le 26/03/2016 15:02, Mallard a écrit :
> ...And Cobra, just like Jaws, has been around for quite a while.
> Threfore, I suppose, NVDA should be able to face this issue and
solve it
> too.
>
> I really find it strange (and disappointing) that, in spite of my
> bringing this up a few times, at different moments, nobody ever
gave a
> REAL reply.
> I hope that now, with a few more people complaining about this
issue, it
> will be taken seriously and tackled once and for all.
>
> Ciao,
> Ollie
>
>
>
>
> Il 26/03/2016 13:20, Davy Cuppens ha scritto:
>> Gene
>> Cobra is the screen reader from www.baum.de
<http://www.baum.de> <http://www.baum.de> a
>> German company for assistive technologies for the blind.
>> Regards
>> Davy
>> *From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 25, 2016 8:24 PM
>> *To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
>> I don't know what Cobra is. I can say that in Firefox, there is a
>> setting to stop the browser from refreshing. I don't know what
effect
>> the setting has on structures such as carousels. Nor do I know if
>> what is going on has the same or a similar cause because I
don't know
>> what is being described as refreshing in today's message.
>> If you use firefox, in the main window, press alt, then press
t, wait
>> a moment then o.
>> Tab once after waiting a moment.
>> down arrow to advanced.
>> If you get stuck partway down the list, up arrow then continue down
>> again to get you unstuck.
>> Once you get to advanced, start tabbing. You will see a check box
>> about notifying you if Firefox is being redirected or refreshing a
>> page. That isn't the exact wording but it's there and my
description
>> should allow you to kno it. Check the check box. There is no ok
>> button. Continue using firefox now. Or close it if you wish.
>> You may find that you get one such message when a page wants to do
>> something and nothing more during that session of working on
the page.
>> You don't have to worry about closing such messages. They
don't block
>> anything and will be replaced automaticaally with future messages.
>> As far as commercial screen-readers are concerned, while they have
>> features to stop refreshes, I don't know if they work in all
cases. I
>> have found times in the past when the JAWS feature didn't work when
>> confronted by some kinds of page refreshes.
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Mallard <mailto:mallard@...
<mailto:mallard@...>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 25, 2016 2:07 PM
>> *To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
>>
>> Hello Davy,
>>
>> I started this topic more than once, and even last week or ten
days ago.
>> I was told that "I was describing a way Firefox behaves on my
machine",
>> and that if this had been a problem for more people than
myself, there
>> would be ah uge number of messages on this (or soemthing to
that ilk).
>>
>> Clearly, this is an issue that NVDA should find a way of
solving, one
>> way or another. This constant refiesching of webpages is
nnoying, and
>> prevents one from working correctly.
>>
>> Other screen readers have a way of blocking this, so it MUST be
possible.
>>
>> I'd hate to have to go back to commercial screen readers
because of this
>> issue, because more and moe web pages seem to be employing this
horrible
>> technology (Carousels, or whatever they call them).
>>
>> Thanks for beinging this up again.
>> Hopefully, since there are now tro of us, someone will take a
minute to
>> look into this.
>> Ciao,
>> Ollie
>>
>>
>>
>> Il 25/03/2016 17:34, Davy Cuppens ha scritto:
>> > Hi folks
>> > Is there a way in nvda that one can prevent pages from being
>> > constantly refreshed? In my professional sr Cobra I have a
shortcut s
>> > in virtual mode so that pags become static and focus won’t
jump to the
>> > front of it.
>> > Regards
>> > Davy
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> .
>



Re: Google Chrome Settings

Chris Mullins
 

Canary works for me too on the settings.  Have you tried Bookmarking a page though?  The bookmark dialog is all ‘unknown’ and the menu list doesn’t read properly as there are gaps in the list following the Zoom and Edit entries.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: Kevin Chao [mailto:kevinchao89@...]
Sent: 26 March 2016 19:25
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

 

Settings, about, version, etc. are all accessible with NVDA 2016.1 for me

 

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:19 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I seem to recall being able to use quick navigation keys awhile ago.  This may be just one more regression in the Chrome interface because, as I said, I couldn't use them recently.  that was with the same older version of NVDA. 

 

I also found, recently, that much of the about text was no longer accessible. 

 

It looks as though you will have to move through everything item by item, thanks to Chrome's obsession with upgrading the browser frenetically and not having perhaps the time or perhaps the staff to check to see if they have damaged or broken accessibility.  As I recall, I used to be able to use the search feature in NVDA so I could move very quickly to something I already knew was on the page.  I couldn't the last time I tried.  . 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 2:00 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

 

Could you confirm the Crome version on that?  I’m using Chrome version 49.0.2623.87 and when I load the Settings, NVDA lands me in a Search edit box and even though i have got automatic focus  mode for focus changes and Caret movement checked in the NVDA Browse settings, focus and browse modes do not engage and if invoked manually via NVDA+spacebar, Quick nav keys such as h and d will still not work.    

 

I’ve loaded Chrome Canary and the quick keys work fine on the settings page.  It’s driving me mad.

 

Cheers

Chris    

From: Kevin Chao [mailto:kevinchao89@...]
Sent: 26 March 2016 14:51
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

 

Chrome settings seems all accessible with quick-nav keys here

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 6:33 AM Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:

Hi

      Is anyone using Google Chrome and can they confirm if the settings page is accessible using navigation quick keys?

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

My chris.mullins4@... address will soon be closed

Please substitute this new address in your contacts list

 


Re: prevent pages from refreshing

Mallard
 

Quack-Quack... These things happen!!! lol
Ciao,
Duck

Il 26/03/2016 15:07, Lino Morales ha scritto:
I agree Duck. I've been asking off and on like and no replies.

On 3/26/2016 10:02 AM, Mallard wrote:
...And Cobra, just like Jaws, has been around for quite a while.
Threfore, I suppose, NVDA should be able to face this issue and solve it too.

I really find it strange (and disappointing) that, in spite of my bringing this up a few times, at different moments, nobody ever gave a REAL reply.
I hope that now, with a few more people complaining about this issue, it will be taken seriously and tackled once and for all.

Ciao,
Ollie




Il 26/03/2016 13:20, Davy Cuppens ha scritto:
Gene
Cobra is the screen reader from www.baum.de <http://www.baum.de> a German company for assistive technologies for the blind.
Regards
Davy
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*Sent:* Friday, March 25, 2016 8:24 PM
*To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
I don't know what Cobra is. I can say that in Firefox, there is a setting to stop the browser from refreshing. I don't know what effect the setting has on structures such as carousels. Nor do I know if what is going on has the same or a similar cause because I don't know what is being described as refreshing in today's message.
If you use firefox, in the main window, press alt, then press t, wait a moment then o.
Tab once after waiting a moment.
down arrow to advanced.
If you get stuck partway down the list, up arrow then continue down again to get you unstuck.
Once you get to advanced, start tabbing. You will see a check box about notifying you if Firefox is being redirected or refreshing a page. That isn't the exact wording but it's there and my description should allow you to kno it. Check the check box. There is no ok button. Continue using firefox now. Or close it if you wish.
You may find that you get one such message when a page wants to do something and nothing more during that session of working on the page. You don't have to worry about closing such messages. They don't block anything and will be replaced automaticaally with future messages.
As far as commercial screen-readers are concerned, while they have features to stop refreshes, I don't know if they work in all cases.
I have found times in the past when the JAWS feature didn't work when confronted by some kinds of page refreshes.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Mallard <mailto:mallard@...>
*Sent:* Friday, March 25, 2016 2:07 PM
*To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing

Hello Davy,

I started this topic more than once, and even last week or ten days ago.
I was told that "I was describing a way Firefox behaves on my machine",
and that if this had been a problem for more people than myself, there
would be ah uge number of messages on this (or soemthing to that ilk).

Clearly, this is an issue that NVDA should find a way of solving, one
way or another. This constant refiesching of webpages is nnoying, and
prevents one from working correctly.

Other screen readers have a way of blocking this, so it MUST be possible.

I'd hate to have to go back to commercial screen readers because of this
issue, because more and moe web pages seem to be employing this horrible
technology (Carousels, or whatever they call them).

Thanks for beinging this up again.
Hopefully, since there are now tro of us, someone will take a minute to
look into this.
Ciao,
Ollie



Il 25/03/2016 17:34, Davy Cuppens ha scritto:
Hi folks
Is there a way in nvda that one can prevent pages from being
constantly refreshed? In my professional sr Cobra I have a shortcut s
in virtual mode so that pags become static and focus won’t jump to
the
front of it.
Regards
Davy








Re: prevent pages from refreshing

Mallard
 

Thanks Joseph.

The command Chris referred to had to do with moving the navigator to previous object, which didn't seem to be the right one for me.

In the Supermarket site I gave as an example, my son managed to go to Ad Block plus and actually remove the Carousel, but that's pretty hard to do, as you need a mouse and need to know a specific code.
Now I'm set for online shopping on that site, but the problem is there on other sites.
Ciao,
Ollie

Il 26/03/2016 18:14, Joseph Lee ha scritto:

Hi,

If this happens on all browsers, chances are that we the developers will need to dive into this; but if this is specific to one or two browsers, this is going to be tough to fix.

A page refresh may happen due to several reasons, namely Javascript-based, live regions, dynamic parts of pages and so on.

As for the command given, it is actually NVDA+5 (toggling dynamic content changes).

Cheers,

Joseph

*From:*Kevin Chao [mailto:kevinchao89@...]
*Sent:* Saturday, March 26, 2016 9:15 AM
*To:* nvda@groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing

Has anyone filed a NVDA github issue on this? If so, what's link to bug? Thanks!

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 8:38 AM Patrick Le Baudour <p.lebaudour@... <mailto:p.lebaudour@...>> wrote:

if it is that important, maybe you should post a ticket on the dev
site ?
As it is browser-dependant, it isn't that easy... it can probably be
done, but i'd guess it would be quicker to find the option for most
browsers. I've done it long ago in firefox and IE.

Not sure about javascript-based refreshing, though.


-- Patrick
Le 26/03/2016 15:02, Mallard a écrit :
> ...And Cobra, just like Jaws, has been around for quite a while.
> Threfore, I suppose, NVDA should be able to face this issue and
solve it
> too.
>
> I really find it strange (and disappointing) that, in spite of my
> bringing this up a few times, at different moments, nobody ever
gave a
> REAL reply.
> I hope that now, with a few more people complaining about this
issue, it
> will be taken seriously and tackled once and for all.
>
> Ciao,
> Ollie
>
>
>
>
> Il 26/03/2016 13:20, Davy Cuppens ha scritto:
>> Gene
>> Cobra is the screen reader from www.baum.de
<http://www.baum.de> <http://www.baum.de> a
>> German company for assistive technologies for the blind.
>> Regards
>> Davy
>> *From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 25, 2016 8:24 PM
>> *To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
>> I don't know what Cobra is. I can say that in Firefox, there is a
>> setting to stop the browser from refreshing. I don't know what
effect
>> the setting has on structures such as carousels. Nor do I know if
>> what is going on has the same or a similar cause because I
don't know
>> what is being described as refreshing in today's message.
>> If you use firefox, in the main window, press alt, then press
t, wait
>> a moment then o.
>> Tab once after waiting a moment.
>> down arrow to advanced.
>> If you get stuck partway down the list, up arrow then continue down
>> again to get you unstuck.
>> Once you get to advanced, start tabbing. You will see a check box
>> about notifying you if Firefox is being redirected or refreshing a
>> page. That isn't the exact wording but it's there and my
description
>> should allow you to kno it. Check the check box. There is no ok
>> button. Continue using firefox now. Or close it if you wish.
>> You may find that you get one such message when a page wants to do
>> something and nothing more during that session of working on
the page.
>> You don't have to worry about closing such messages. They
don't block
>> anything and will be replaced automaticaally with future messages.
>> As far as commercial screen-readers are concerned, while they have
>> features to stop refreshes, I don't know if they work in all
cases. I
>> have found times in the past when the JAWS feature didn't work when
>> confronted by some kinds of page refreshes.
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Mallard <mailto:mallard@...
<mailto:mallard@...>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 25, 2016 2:07 PM
>> *To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
>>
>> Hello Davy,
>>
>> I started this topic more than once, and even last week or ten
days ago.
>> I was told that "I was describing a way Firefox behaves on my
machine",
>> and that if this had been a problem for more people than
myself, there
>> would be ah uge number of messages on this (or soemthing to
that ilk).
>>
>> Clearly, this is an issue that NVDA should find a way of
solving, one
>> way or another. This constant refiesching of webpages is
nnoying, and
>> prevents one from working correctly.
>>
>> Other screen readers have a way of blocking this, so it MUST be
possible.
>>
>> I'd hate to have to go back to commercial screen readers
because of this
>> issue, because more and moe web pages seem to be employing this
horrible
>> technology (Carousels, or whatever they call them).
>>
>> Thanks for beinging this up again.
>> Hopefully, since there are now tro of us, someone will take a
minute to
>> look into this.
>> Ciao,
>> Ollie
>>
>>
>>
>> Il 25/03/2016 17:34, Davy Cuppens ha scritto:
>> > Hi folks
>> > Is there a way in nvda that one can prevent pages from being
>> > constantly refreshed? In my professional sr Cobra I have a
shortcut s
>> > in virtual mode so that pags become static and focus won’t
jump to the
>> > front of it.
>> > Regards
>> > Davy
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> .
>



Re: prevent pages from refreshing

Kevin Chao
 

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 1:43 PM Mallard <mallard@...> wrote:
Now then,

The issue exists, because there are forums discussing it for devs. They
call the thing "Carousels" or "slideshows", or something else that I
can't remember now.

I provided an example of a site

www.esselungaacasa.it

But I'm afraid you ahve to log in with username and password to see that
particular area of the sit.
Actually, "that particular area" is supposed to be in the Accessible
section of the site, and it's the whole Supermarket area...

Firefox 45.0.1, Latest NvDA Next Snapshot, Espeak, Freedom Scientific's
pm 40 3.70 braille display.
Ollie




Il 26/03/2016 20:36, Lino Morales ha scritto:
> Kevin here is one. If any of you are fans of Rick Dees and the Weekly
> Top 40 his site refreshes a lot.
> www.rick.com
>
> On 3/26/2016 3:34 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
>> Can someone please provide examples of thes type of sites?
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:30 PM Arno Schuh <arno.schuh@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi,
>>
>>     Am Samstag, 26. März 2016 17:40 schrieb Gene <gsasner@...>:
>>
>>     > Are you referring to the setting concerning metarefresh in Internet
>>     > Explorer?
>>
>>     That's the option. But it is pretty cumbersome to activate and
>>     deactivate
>>     this option anytime you came across such a site.
>>     In Cobra you simply press letter s to freeze the site, and simply
>>     press
>>     letter s again to set it free again.
>>     And of course it is no solution to keep the metarefresh option
>>     deactivated,
>>     because if so some sites don't work properly; i. e. you can't log
>>     in some
>>     site, can't select list items in a list etc.
>>
>>     So a simple feature like in Cobra would be pretty helpful when
>>     you came
>>     across such a site.
>>
>>     Yours sincerely
>>
>>     Arno
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>





Re: prevent pages from refreshing

Mallard
 

Now then,

The issue exists, because there are forums discussing it for devs. They call the thing "Carousels" or "slideshows", or something else that I can't remember now.

I provided an example of a site

www.esselungaacasa.it

But I'm afraid you ahve to log in with username and password to see that particular area of the sit.
Actually, "that particular area" is supposed to be in the Accessible section of the site, and it's the whole Supermarket area...

Firefox 45.0.1, Latest NvDA Next Snapshot, Espeak, Freedom Scientific's pm 40 3.70 braille display.
Ollie

Il 26/03/2016 20:36, Lino Morales ha scritto:
Kevin here is one. If any of you are fans of Rick Dees and the Weekly Top 40 his site refreshes a lot.
www.rick.com

On 3/26/2016 3:34 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
Can someone please provide examples of thes type of sites?

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:30 PM Arno Schuh <@menschomat> wrote:

Hi,

Am Samstag, 26. März 2016 17:40 schrieb Gene <gsasner@...>:

> Are you referring to the setting concerning metarefresh in Internet
> Explorer?

That's the option. But it is pretty cumbersome to activate and
deactivate
this option anytime you came across such a site.
In Cobra you simply press letter s to freeze the site, and simply
press
letter s again to set it free again.
And of course it is no solution to keep the metarefresh option
deactivated,
because if so some sites don't work properly; i. e. you can't log
in some
site, can't select list items in a list etc.

So a simple feature like in Cobra would be pretty helpful when
you came
across such a site.

Yours sincerely

Arno





Re: Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build

Kevin Cussick
 

not sure if I have understood, but the snapshots update anyway.

On 26/03/2016 13:33, Pete wrote:

Might be a good idea in the snapshot builds.
If the snapshots check for snapshot updates it would keep the regular
nvda users from accidentally clicking on the update to snapshot button
or what ever it would be called.
Pete



Re: prevent pages from refreshing

Gene
 

Which is the point I was trying to make a number of days ago.  With different people reporting different results, we need detailed information when people compare results.  We need to know the browser used and the screen-reader used.  it might or might not be important to know the versions of the browser and screen-reader used.  We need to try to find out if we can, why some people report page refreshes and some don't on the same page.  Unless an understanding of what is occurring and why can be obtained, it may not be practical for NVDA developers to address the problem.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing

I was able to navigate below issue and didn't observe any auto-refreshing issues. I did see some links/images that had no/bad labels, but no other accessibility issue.

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:36 PM Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:
Kevin here is one. If any of you are fans of Rick Dees and the Weekly Top 40 his site refreshes a lot.
www.rick.com


On 3/26/2016 3:34 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
Can someone please provide examples of thes type of sites?

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:30 PM Arno Schuh <arno.schuh@...> wrote:
Hi,

Am Samstag, 26. März 2016 17:40 schrieb Gene <gsasner@...>:

> Are you referring to the setting concerning metarefresh in Internet
> Explorer?

That's the option. But it is pretty cumbersome to activate and deactivate
this option anytime you came across such a site.
In Cobra you simply press letter s to freeze the site, and simply press
letter s again to set it free again.
And of course it is no solution to keep the metarefresh option deactivated,
because if so some sites don't work properly; i. e. you can't log in some
site, can't select list items in a list etc.

So a simple feature like in Cobra would be pretty helpful when you came
across such a site.

Yours sincerely

Arno







Re: prevent pages from refreshing

Gene
 

This needs to be checked by different people.  I don't know if the page refreshes.  Using Firefox and NVDA, on a slow computer, I hear a lot of brief pauses while reading the page.  But I don't know if those are refreshes.  I keep my place and reading resumes where I left off after the pause.  Something is doing something that is causing the pause but I don't know what that is. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing

Kevin here is one. If any of you are fans of Rick Dees and the Weekly Top 40 his site refreshes a lot.
www.rick.com

On 3/26/2016 3:34 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
Can someone please provide examples of thes type of sites?

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:30 PM Arno Schuh <arno.schuh@...> wrote:
Hi,

Am Samstag, 26. März 2016 17:40 schrieb Gene <gsasner@...>:

> Are you referring to the setting concerning metarefresh in Internet
> Explorer?

That's the option. But it is pretty cumbersome to activate and deactivate
this option anytime you came across such a site.
In Cobra you simply press letter s to freeze the site, and simply press
letter s again to set it free again.
And of course it is no solution to keep the metarefresh option deactivated,
because if so some sites don't work properly; i. e. you can't log in some
site, can't select list items in a list etc.

So a simple feature like in Cobra would be pretty helpful when you came
across such a site.

Yours sincerely

Arno







Re: Google Chrome Settings

Kevin Chao
 

It's possible to run Canary along side stable-production, so they do not conflict at all.


On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:35 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
But you said you are using Canary.  I'm not.  I believe Canary is many versions ahead of what most users have.  Maybe the developers corrected the problems being discussed in later versions.  That, in my opinion, really doesn't make it alright for them to break things off and on in their rush to upgrade.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

Settings, about, version, etc. are all accessible with NVDA 2016.1 for me

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:19 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I seem to recall being able to use quick navigation keys awhile ago.  This may be just one more regression in the Chrome interface because, as I said, I couldn't use them recently.  that was with the same older version of NVDA. 
 
I also found, recently, that much of the about text was no longer accessible. 
 
It looks as though you will have to move through everything item by item, thanks to Chrome's obsession with upgrading the browser frenetically and not having perhaps the time or perhaps the staff to check to see if they have damaged or broken accessibility.  As I recall, I used to be able to use the search feature in NVDA so I could move very quickly to something I already knew was on the page.  I couldn't the last time I tried.  . 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

Could you confirm the Crome version on that?  I’m using Chrome version 49.0.2623.87 and when I load the Settings, NVDA lands me in a Search edit box and even though i have got automatic focus  mode for focus changes and Caret movement checked in the NVDA Browse settings, focus and browse modes do not engage and if invoked manually via NVDA+spacebar, Quick nav keys such as h and d will still not work.    

 

I’ve loaded Chrome Canary and the quick keys work fine on the settings page.  It’s driving me mad.

 

Cheers

Chris    

From: Kevin Chao [mailto:kevinchao89@...]
Sent: 26 March 2016 14:51
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

 

Chrome settings seems all accessible with quick-nav keys here

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 6:33 AM Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:

Hi

      Is anyone using Google Chrome and can they confirm if the settings page is accessible using navigation quick keys?

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

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Please substitute this new address in your contacts list

 


Re: prevent pages from refreshing

Kevin Chao
 

I was able to navigate below issue and didn't observe any auto-refreshing issues. I did see some links/images that had no/bad labels, but no other accessibility issue.


On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:36 PM Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:
Kevin here is one. If any of you are fans of Rick Dees and the Weekly Top 40 his site refreshes a lot.
www.rick.com


On 3/26/2016 3:34 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
Can someone please provide examples of thes type of sites?

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:30 PM Arno Schuh <arno.schuh@...> wrote:
Hi,

Am Samstag, 26. März 2016 17:40 schrieb Gene <gsasner@...>:

> Are you referring to the setting concerning metarefresh in Internet
> Explorer?

That's the option. But it is pretty cumbersome to activate and deactivate
this option anytime you came across such a site.
In Cobra you simply press letter s to freeze the site, and simply press
letter s again to set it free again.
And of course it is no solution to keep the metarefresh option deactivated,
because if so some sites don't work properly; i. e. you can't log in some
site, can't select list items in a list etc.

So a simple feature like in Cobra would be pretty helpful when you came
across such a site.

Yours sincerely

Arno







Re: prevent pages from refreshing

Lino Morales
 

Kevin here is one. If any of you are fans of Rick Dees and the Weekly Top 40 his site refreshes a lot.
www.rick.com

On 3/26/2016 3:34 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
Can someone please provide examples of thes type of sites?

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:30 PM Arno Schuh <arno.schuh@...> wrote:
Hi,

Am Samstag, 26. März 2016 17:40 schrieb Gene <gsasner@...>:

> Are you referring to the setting concerning metarefresh in Internet
> Explorer?

That's the option. But it is pretty cumbersome to activate and deactivate
this option anytime you came across such a site.
In Cobra you simply press letter s to freeze the site, and simply press
letter s again to set it free again.
And of course it is no solution to keep the metarefresh option deactivated,
because if so some sites don't work properly; i. e. you can't log in some
site, can't select list items in a list etc.

So a simple feature like in Cobra would be pretty helpful when you came
across such a site.

Yours sincerely

Arno







Re: Google Chrome Settings

Gene
 

But you said you are using Canary.  I'm not.  I believe Canary is many versions ahead of what most users have.  Maybe the developers corrected the problems being discussed in later versions.  That, in my opinion, really doesn't make it alright for them to break things off and on in their rush to upgrade.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

Settings, about, version, etc. are all accessible with NVDA 2016.1 for me

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:19 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I seem to recall being able to use quick navigation keys awhile ago.  This may be just one more regression in the Chrome interface because, as I said, I couldn't use them recently.  that was with the same older version of NVDA. 
 
I also found, recently, that much of the about text was no longer accessible. 
 
It looks as though you will have to move through everything item by item, thanks to Chrome's obsession with upgrading the browser frenetically and not having perhaps the time or perhaps the staff to check to see if they have damaged or broken accessibility.  As I recall, I used to be able to use the search feature in NVDA so I could move very quickly to something I already knew was on the page.  I couldn't the last time I tried.  . 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

Could you confirm the Crome version on that?  I’m using Chrome version 49.0.2623.87 and when I load the Settings, NVDA lands me in a Search edit box and even though i have got automatic focus  mode for focus changes and Caret movement checked in the NVDA Browse settings, focus and browse modes do not engage and if invoked manually via NVDA+spacebar, Quick nav keys such as h and d will still not work.    

 

I’ve loaded Chrome Canary and the quick keys work fine on the settings page.  It’s driving me mad.

 

Cheers

Chris    

From: Kevin Chao [mailto:kevinchao89@...]
Sent: 26 March 2016 14:51
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

 

Chrome settings seems all accessible with quick-nav keys here

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 6:33 AM Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:

Hi

      Is anyone using Google Chrome and can they confirm if the settings page is accessible using navigation quick keys?

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

My chris.mullins4@... address will soon be closed

Please substitute this new address in your contacts list