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Re: prevent pages from refreshing

Kevin Chao
 

Can someone please provide examples of thes type of sites?


On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:30 PM Arno Schuh <arno.schuh@...> wrote:
Hi,

Am Samstag, 26. März 2016 17:40 schrieb Gene <gsasner@...>:

> Are you referring to the setting concerning metarefresh in Internet
> Explorer?

That's the option. But it is pretty cumbersome to activate and deactivate
this option anytime you came across such a site.
In Cobra you simply press letter s to freeze the site, and simply press
letter s again to set it free again.
And of course it is no solution to keep the metarefresh option deactivated,
because if so some sites don't work properly; i. e. you can't log in some
site, can't select list items in a list etc.

So a simple feature like in Cobra would be pretty helpful when you came
across such a site.

Yours sincerely

Arno






Re: prevent pages from refreshing

Arno Schuh
 

Hi,

Am Samstag, 26. März 2016 17:40 schrieb Gene <gsasner@...>:

Are you referring to the setting concerning metarefresh in Internet
Explorer?
That's the option. But it is pretty cumbersome to activate and deactivate this option anytime you came across such a site.
In Cobra you simply press letter s to freeze the site, and simply press letter s again to set it free again.
And of course it is no solution to keep the metarefresh option deactivated, because if so some sites don't work properly; i. e. you can't log in some site, can't select list items in a list etc.

So a simple feature like in Cobra would be pretty helpful when you came across such a site.

Yours sincerely

Arno


Re: Google Chrome Settings

Kevin Chao
 

Settings, about, version, etc. are all accessible with NVDA 2016.1 for me


On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:19 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I seem to recall being able to use quick navigation keys awhile ago.  This may be just one more regression in the Chrome interface because, as I said, I couldn't use them recently.  that was with the same older version of NVDA. 
 
I also found, recently, that much of the about text was no longer accessible. 
 
It looks as though you will have to move through everything item by item, thanks to Chrome's obsession with upgrading the browser frenetically and not having perhaps the time or perhaps the staff to check to see if they have damaged or broken accessibility.  As I recall, I used to be able to use the search feature in NVDA so I could move very quickly to something I already knew was on the page.  I couldn't the last time I tried.  . 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

Could you confirm the Crome version on that?  I’m using Chrome version 49.0.2623.87 and when I load the Settings, NVDA lands me in a Search edit box and even though i have got automatic focus  mode for focus changes and Caret movement checked in the NVDA Browse settings, focus and browse modes do not engage and if invoked manually via NVDA+spacebar, Quick nav keys such as h and d will still not work.    

 

I’ve loaded Chrome Canary and the quick keys work fine on the settings page.  It’s driving me mad.

 

Cheers

Chris    

From: Kevin Chao [mailto:kevinchao89@...]
Sent: 26 March 2016 14:51
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

 

Chrome settings seems all accessible with quick-nav keys here

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 6:33 AM Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:

Hi

      Is anyone using Google Chrome and can they confirm if the settings page is accessible using navigation quick keys?

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

My chris.mullins4@... address will soon be closed

Please substitute this new address in your contacts list

 


Re: Google Chrome Settings

Gene
 

I seem to recall being able to use quick navigation keys awhile ago.  This may be just one more regression in the Chrome interface because, as I said, I couldn't use them recently.  that was with the same older version of NVDA. 
 
I also found, recently, that much of the about text was no longer accessible. 
 
It looks as though you will have to move through everything item by item, thanks to Chrome's obsession with upgrading the browser frenetically and not having perhaps the time or perhaps the staff to check to see if they have damaged or broken accessibility.  As I recall, I used to be able to use the search feature in NVDA so I could move very quickly to something I already knew was on the page.  I couldn't the last time I tried.  . 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

Could you confirm the Crome version on that?  I’m using Chrome version 49.0.2623.87 and when I load the Settings, NVDA lands me in a Search edit box and even though i have got automatic focus  mode for focus changes and Caret movement checked in the NVDA Browse settings, focus and browse modes do not engage and if invoked manually via NVDA+spacebar, Quick nav keys such as h and d will still not work.    

 

I’ve loaded Chrome Canary and the quick keys work fine on the settings page.  It’s driving me mad.

 

Cheers

Chris    

From: Kevin Chao [mailto:kevinchao89@...]
Sent: 26 March 2016 14:51
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

 

Chrome settings seems all accessible with quick-nav keys here

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 6:33 AM Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:

Hi

      Is anyone using Google Chrome and can they confirm if the settings page is accessible using navigation quick keys?

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

My chris.mullins4@... address will soon be closed

Please substitute this new address in your contacts list

 


Re: Google Chrome Settings

Kevin Chao
 

Canary: 51.0.2685.0


On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:02 PM Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:

Could you confirm the Crome version on that?  I’m using Chrome version 49.0.2623.87 and when I load the Settings, NVDA lands me in a Search edit box and even though i have got automatic focus  mode for focus changes and Caret movement checked in the NVDA Browse settings, focus and browse modes do not engage and if invoked manually via NVDA+spacebar, Quick nav keys such as h and d will still not work.    

 

I’ve loaded Chrome Canary and the quick keys work fine on the settings page.  It’s driving me mad.

 

Cheers

Chris    

From: Kevin Chao [mailto:kevinchao89@...]
Sent: 26 March 2016 14:51
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

 

Chrome settings seems all accessible with quick-nav keys here

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 6:33 AM Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:

Hi

      Is anyone using Google Chrome and can they confirm if the settings page is accessible using navigation quick keys?

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

My chris.mullins4@... address will soon be closed

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Re: Google Chrome Settings

Chris Mullins
 

Could you confirm the Crome version on that?  I’m using Chrome version 49.0.2623.87 and when I load the Settings, NVDA lands me in a Search edit box and even though i have got automatic focus  mode for focus changes and Caret movement checked in the NVDA Browse settings, focus and browse modes do not engage and if invoked manually via NVDA+spacebar, Quick nav keys such as h and d will still not work.    

 

I’ve loaded Chrome Canary and the quick keys work fine on the settings page.  It’s driving me mad.

 

Cheers

Chris    

From: Kevin Chao [mailto:kevinchao89@...]
Sent: 26 March 2016 14:51
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

 

Chrome settings seems all accessible with quick-nav keys here

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 6:33 AM Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:

Hi

      Is anyone using Google Chrome and can they confirm if the settings page is accessible using navigation quick keys?

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

My chris.mullins4@... address will soon be closed

Please substitute this new address in your contacts list

 


Re: and Chromium

Gene
 

Who develops accessibility and does Google Chrome have accessibility that Chromium doesn't have?  I want to get a clear understanding of who deals with accessibility.  Maybe it's both sets of developers. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] and Chromium

Cromium browser is the base product from  which Google Chrome and other
browsers are developed.
Google Chrome is the Cromium Browser plus add-ons such as built in flash,
pdf reader and other embellishments.
Google Chrome Canary is the bleeding edge of Google Chrome development which
can be run alongside standard Chrome.  It is used to try out new ideas and
is updated daily.  As such it can be volatile , so is not recommended unless
you are prepared to cope with potential crashes.

Cheers
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss [mailto:sm.everiss@...]
Sent: 26 March 2016 05:17
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] and Chromium

chromium is google chrome with all the added stuff google chrome has.
In theory it should be more accessable than chrome without all the extra
google stuff on it.



On 26/03/2016 5:06 a.m., Gene wrote:
> Evidently, you are talking about Chromium, not Google Chrome.  I doubt
that meaningful work has been done either by the Chromium project nor by
NVDA on this browser.  The popular Google Chrome browser among sighted users
is reasonably accessible but I don't expect Chromium, a browser that is not
at all widely used and that a lot of people don't even know exists, to be
worked on by NVDA developers who, frankly, have much much more important
things to work on affecting a great many more users than a browser most
people haven't even heard of.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Pete
> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 10:51 AM
> To: nvda@groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] and Chromium
>
>
>
>     Hi
>     I am trying out Chromium.
>     The version is below in the about page.
>     does any one have helpful advice using this browser?
>     I notice while down arrowing nvda stops announcing the menu items.
>     After the zoom item two down arrow are not spoken and again after
> edit item another two down arrows are not spoken.
>     If up arrowing it doesn't do the same.
>     Tabbing around  seems to work OK.  Starting at the address bar, next
> tab is bookmark button next tab is Chromium menu oops take that back
> tabbing around now selects between tabs now along with going threw the
> open page.  I have not configured any thing in it yet so will explore
> the other tabs.  Does any one know the keys to close a tab / focused
> window?
>     Thanks!
>     Pete
> About
> Chromium
> A web browser built for speed, simplicity, and security
> Get help with using Chromium
> Version 51.0.2684.0
> Chromium
> Copyright 2016 The Chromium Authors. All rights reserved.
> Chromium is made possible by the Chromium open source project and other
> open source software.
>
>
>






Re: and Chromium

Chris Mullins
 

Cromium browser is the base product from which Google Chrome and other
browsers are developed.
Google Chrome is the Cromium Browser plus add-ons such as built in flash,
pdf reader and other embellishments.
Google Chrome Canary is the bleeding edge of Google Chrome development which
can be run alongside standard Chrome. It is used to try out new ideas and
is updated daily. As such it can be volatile , so is not recommended unless
you are prepared to cope with potential crashes.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss [mailto:@smeveriss]
Sent: 26 March 2016 05:17
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] and Chromium

chromium is google chrome with all the added stuff google chrome has.
In theory it should be more accessable than chrome without all the extra
google stuff on it.



On 26/03/2016 5:06 a.m., Gene wrote:
Evidently, you are talking about Chromium, not Google Chrome. I doubt
that meaningful work has been done either by the Chromium project nor by
NVDA on this browser. The popular Google Chrome browser among sighted users
is reasonably accessible but I don't expect Chromium, a browser that is not
at all widely used and that a lot of people don't even know exists, to be
worked on by NVDA developers who, frankly, have much much more important
things to work on affecting a great many more users than a browser most
people haven't even heard of.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Pete
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 10:51 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] and Chromium



Hi
I am trying out Chromium.
The version is below in the about page.
does any one have helpful advice using this browser?
I notice while down arrowing nvda stops announcing the menu items.
After the zoom item two down arrow are not spoken and again after
edit item another two down arrows are not spoken.
If up arrowing it doesn't do the same.
Tabbing around seems to work OK. Starting at the address bar, next
tab is bookmark button next tab is Chromium menu oops take that back
tabbing around now selects between tabs now along with going threw the
open page. I have not configured any thing in it yet so will explore
the other tabs. Does any one know the keys to close a tab / focused
window?
Thanks!
Pete
About
Chromium
A web browser built for speed, simplicity, and security
Get help with using Chromium
Version 51.0.2684.0
Chromium
Copyright 2016 The Chromium Authors. All rights reserved.
Chromium is made possible by the Chromium open source project and other
open source software.



Re: Any NVDA users using inbox.google.com

Kevin Chao
 

Meet your new inbox.

Built on everything we learned from Gmail, Inbox is a fresh start that goes beyond email to help you get back to what matters.

https://www.google.com/inbox/


On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 10:30 PM Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
I agree inn theory as long as your client supports ssl or tls andd most
of them if not all do it shouldn't matter.
I can remember when you had to buy ssl support and manualy email people
that banned me from various sites and groups because I was blacklisted
as a spammer.
I did ask if ssl was supported though this was when it was new, they
didn't, yahoogroups was one such system.
They all support it now thank god but older clients that don't get
updates to certifficates may have issues accessing things.



On 25/03/2016 11:22 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
> Glad you feel that way. I guess its what you want it to be.
> I still find any offline client much better as it cannot cchange at the
> whim of the web site maker.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Chao" <kevinchao89@...>
> To: <nvda@groups.io>
> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 6:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Any NVDA users using inbox.google.com
>
>
> Inbox by Gmail only has one view that is accessible with NVDA+Firefox. The
> keyboard shortcuts, bundles, smart links/replies, etc. make it delightful
> and efficient
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 3:30 PM Ben J. Bloomgren <bbloomgren@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Brian, Felix and all,
>>
>> Does this Inbox make use of standard and basic HTML views?
>>
>> Ben
>>
>> > On Mar 24, 2016, at 10:06, Brian's Mail list account <
>> bglists@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > I am not sure what inbox in this context is. If you mean webmail
>> standard interface, then only under extreme conditions, as its not very
>> easy to work fast in my view, and seems to be a bit peculiar in the
>> sort of
>> default send formats it uses.
>> > Brian
>> >
>> > bglists@...
>> > Sent via blueyonder.
>> > Please address personal email to:-
>> > briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> > in the display name field.
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Armando" <braille.bt4753@...>
>> > To: <nvda@groups.io>
>> > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 11:58 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [nvda] Any NVDA users using inbox.google.com
>> >
>> >
>> >> No. I use Mozilla Thunderbird as my email client. I don't use
>> >> inbox.google.com/.
>> >>
>> >>> On 3/24/2016 5:17 AM, Felix G. wrote:
>> >>> Hello list,
>> >>> I also use Inbox, as I find it corresponds with how I think about
>> >>> email, more like a living to-do list than electronic letters.
>> >>> Kind regards,
>> >>> Felix
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2016 at 07:24 Ben J. Bloomgren <bbloomgren@...
>> >>> <mailto:bbloomgren@...>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>    I’m a mail client guy, but I’ll check it out. I like the
>> >>>    flexibility of email clients, and I have tended to look down on
>> >>>    webmail. I’ll check Inbox out though.
>> >>>
>> >>>    Thanks,
>> >>>
>> >>>    Ben
>> >>>
>> >>>>    On Mar 22, 2016, at 7:39 PM, Kevin Chao <kevinchao89@...
>> >>>>    <mailto:kevinchao89@...>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>    For the longest, I've been using gmail.com <http://gmail.com/>
>> >>>>    with Firefox+NVDA, but recently switched to inbox.google.com
>> >>>>    <http://inbox.google.com/> .
>> >>>>    Was curious to know if others have tried Inbox or are using it?
>> >>>>    I really like the bundles, pinning, snoozing, smart-replies, and
>> >>>>    smart links.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>




Re: prevent pages from refreshing

Chris Mullins
 

Thanks Joseph, 'Report dynamic content changes' is indeed what I was referring to Control+5 on number row is the keystroke.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Mullins [mailto:cjmullins29@...]
Sent: 26 March 2016 13:25
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing

Does the NVDA+4 on the number row make any difference?

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: Davy Cuppens [mailto:davycuppens@...]
Sent: 26 March 2016 12:11
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing

I am very disappointed to read this all.

Indeed, this is a disadvantage of NVDA; just like you I would like to urge developers to work on this as quick as possible.
Regards
Davy

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
From: Mallard
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 8:07 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing


Hello Davy,

I started this topic more than once, and even last week or ten days ago.
I was told that "I was describing a way Firefox behaves on my machine", and that if this had been a problem for more people than myself, there would be ah uge number of messages on this (or soemthing to that ilk).

Clearly, this is an issue that NVDA should find a way of solving, one way or another. This constant refiesching of webpages is nnoying, and prevents one from working correctly.

Other screen readers have a way of blocking this, so it MUST be possible.

I'd hate to have to go back to commercial screen readers because of this issue, because more and moe web pages seem to be employing this horrible technology (Carousels, or whatever they call them).

Thanks for beinging this up again.
Hopefully, since there are now tro of us, someone will take a minute to look into this.
Ciao,
Ollie



Il 25/03/2016 17:34, Davy Cuppens ha scritto:
Hi folks
Is there a way in nvda that one can prevent pages from being
constantly refreshed? In my professional sr Cobra I have a shortcut s
in virtual mode so that pags become static and focus won’t jump to the front of it.
Regards
Davy


Re: prevent pages from refreshing

 

Hi,

If this happens on all browsers, chances are that we the developers will need to dive into this; but if this is specific to one or two browsers, this is going to be tough to fix.

A page refresh may happen due to several reasons, namely Javascript-based, live regions, dynamic parts of pages and so on.

As for the command given, it is actually NVDA+5 (toggling dynamic content changes).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: Kevin Chao [mailto:kevinchao89@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 9:15 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing

 

Has anyone filed a NVDA github issue on this? If so, what's link to bug? Thanks!

 

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 8:38 AM Patrick Le Baudour <p.lebaudour@...> wrote:

if it is that important, maybe you should post a ticket on the dev site ?
As it is browser-dependant, it isn't that easy... it can probably be
done, but i'd guess it would be quicker to find the option for most
browsers. I've done it long ago in firefox and IE.

Not sure about javascript-based refreshing, though.


-- Patrick
Le 26/03/2016 15:02, Mallard a écrit :
> ...And Cobra, just like Jaws, has been around for quite a while.
> Threfore, I suppose, NVDA should be able to face this issue and solve it
> too.
>
> I really find it strange (and disappointing) that, in spite of my
> bringing this up a few times, at different moments, nobody ever gave a
> REAL reply.
> I hope that now, with a few more people complaining about this issue, it
> will be taken seriously and tackled once and for all.
>
> Ciao,
> Ollie
>
>
>
>
> Il 26/03/2016 13:20, Davy Cuppens ha scritto:
>> Gene
>> Cobra is the screen reader from www.baum.de <http://www.baum.de> a
>> German company for assistive technologies for the blind.
>> Regards
>> Davy
>> *From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 25, 2016 8:24 PM
>> *To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
>> I don't know what Cobra is.  I can say that in Firefox, there is a
>> setting to stop the browser from refreshing.  I don't know what effect
>> the setting has on structures such as carousels.  Nor do I know if
>> what is going on has the same or a similar cause because I don't know
>> what is being described as refreshing in today's message.
>> If you use firefox, in the main window, press alt, then press t, wait
>> a moment then o.
>> Tab once after waiting a moment.
>> down arrow to advanced.
>> If you get stuck partway down the list, up arrow then continue down
>> again to get you unstuck.
>> Once you get to advanced, start tabbing.  You will see a check box
>> about notifying you if Firefox is being redirected or refreshing a
>> page.  That isn't the exact wording but it's there and my description
>> should allow you to kno it.  Check the check box.  There is no ok
>> button. Continue using firefox now.  Or close it if you wish.
>> You may find that you get one such message when a page wants to do
>> something and nothing more during that session of working on the page.
>> You don't have to worry about closing such messages.  They don't block
>> anything and will be replaced automaticaally with future messages.
>> As far as commercial screen-readers are concerned, while they have
>> features to stop refreshes, I don't know if they work in all cases.  I
>> have found times in the past when the JAWS feature didn't work when
>> confronted by some kinds of page refreshes.
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Mallard <mailto:mallard@...>
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 25, 2016 2:07 PM
>> *To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
>>
>> Hello Davy,
>>
>> I started this topic more than once, and even last week or ten days ago.
>> I was told that "I was describing a way Firefox behaves on my machine",
>> and that if this had been a problem for more people than myself, there
>> would be ah uge number of messages on this (or soemthing to that ilk).
>>
>> Clearly, this is an issue that NVDA should find a way of solving, one
>> way or another. This constant refiesching of webpages is nnoying, and
>> prevents one from working correctly.
>>
>> Other screen readers have a way of blocking this, so it MUST be possible.
>>
>> I'd hate to have to go back to commercial screen readers because of this
>> issue, because more and moe web pages seem to be employing this horrible
>> technology (Carousels, or whatever they call them).
>>
>> Thanks for beinging this up again.
>> Hopefully, since there are now tro of us, someone will take a minute to
>> look into this.
>> Ciao,
>> Ollie
>>
>>
>>
>> Il 25/03/2016 17:34, Davy Cuppens ha scritto:
>> > Hi folks
>> > Is there a way in nvda that one can prevent pages from being
>> > constantly refreshed? In my professional sr Cobra I have a shortcut s
>> > in virtual mode so that pags become static and focus won’t jump to the
>> > front of it.
>> > Regards
>> > Davy
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> .
>



Re: Performance degradation in current Firefox

Pete <emac00@...>
 

Hi any one

I click on a p d f file link in e-mail, fire fox opens it up then nvda stops speaking for around a minute.
Pressing the start button or trying to switch open windows with alt + tab nvda stays quiet.

Pete


Re: prevent pages from refreshing

Gene
 

Are you referring to the setting concerning metarefresh in Internet Explorer?  I don't use Internet Explorer to any extent any more but that is the only setting I know of that may affect page refreshing.  I am also not sure if that setting has any effect on JAVA scripted refreshes.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing

if it is that important, maybe you should post a ticket on the dev site ?
As it is browser-dependant, it isn't that easy... it can probably be
done, but i'd guess it would be quicker to find the option for most
browsers. I've done it long ago in firefox and IE.

Not sure about javascript-based refreshing, though.


-- Patrick
Le 26/03/2016 15:02, Mallard a écrit :
> ...And Cobra, just like Jaws, has been around for quite a while.
> Threfore, I suppose, NVDA should be able to face this issue and solve it
> too.
>
> I really find it strange (and disappointing) that, in spite of my
> bringing this up a few times, at different moments, nobody ever gave a
> REAL reply.
> I hope that now, with a few more people complaining about this issue, it
> will be taken seriously and tackled once and for all.
>
> Ciao,
> Ollie
>
>
>
>
> Il 26/03/2016 13:20, Davy Cuppens ha scritto:
>> Gene
>> Cobra is the screen reader from www.baum.de <http://www.baum.de> a
>> German company for assistive technologies for the blind.
>> Regards
>> Davy
>> *From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 25, 2016 8:24 PM
>> *To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
>> I don't know what Cobra is.  I can say that in Firefox, there is a
>> setting to stop the browser from refreshing.  I don't know what effect
>> the setting has on structures such as carousels.  Nor do I know if
>> what is going on has the same or a similar cause because I don't know
>> what is being described as refreshing in today's message.
>> If you use firefox, in the main window, press alt, then press t, wait
>> a moment then o.
>> Tab once after waiting a moment.
>> down arrow to advanced.
>> If you get stuck partway down the list, up arrow then continue down
>> again to get you unstuck.
>> Once you get to advanced, start tabbing.  You will see a check box
>> about notifying you if Firefox is being redirected or refreshing a
>> page.  That isn't the exact wording but it's there and my description
>> should allow you to kno it.  Check the check box.  There is no ok
>> button. Continue using firefox now.  Or close it if you wish.
>> You may find that you get one such message when a page wants to do
>> something and nothing more during that session of working on the page.
>> You don't have to worry about closing such messages.  They don't block
>> anything and will be replaced automaticaally with future messages.
>> As far as commercial screen-readers are concerned, while they have
>> features to stop refreshes, I don't know if they work in all cases.  I
>> have found times in the past when the JAWS feature didn't work when
>> confronted by some kinds of page refreshes.
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Mallard <mailto:mallard@...>
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 25, 2016 2:07 PM
>> *To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
>>
>> Hello Davy,
>>
>> I started this topic more than once, and even last week or ten days ago.
>> I was told that "I was describing a way Firefox behaves on my machine",
>> and that if this had been a problem for more people than myself, there
>> would be ah uge number of messages on this (or soemthing to that ilk).
>>
>> Clearly, this is an issue that NVDA should find a way of solving, one
>> way or another. This constant refiesching of webpages is nnoying, and
>> prevents one from working correctly.
>>
>> Other screen readers have a way of blocking this, so it MUST be possible.
>>
>> I'd hate to have to go back to commercial screen readers because of this
>> issue, because more and moe web pages seem to be employing this horrible
>> technology (Carousels, or whatever they call them).
>>
>> Thanks for beinging this up again.
>> Hopefully, since there are now tro of us, someone will take a minute to
>> look into this.
>> Ciao,
>> Ollie
>>
>>
>>
>> Il 25/03/2016 17:34, Davy Cuppens ha scritto:
>> > Hi folks
>> > Is there a way in nvda that one can prevent pages from being
>> > constantly refreshed? In my professional sr Cobra I have a shortcut s
>> > in virtual mode so that pags become static and focus won’t jump to the
>> > front of it.
>> > Regards
>> > Davy
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> .
>



Re: Performance degradation in current Firefox

Kevin Chao
 

Yes, many others including myself have observed accessibility regressions in Firefox. hence, we've switched to Chrome+NVDA.


On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 7:10 AM Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:
Hello list!
Is anyone else experiencing sluggish behavior in Firefox 45? Specifically, the following occurs for me with NVDA, but may or may not be related to NVDA of course:
- NVDA randomly repeating the Window title
- Navigation sometimes bounces back to the previously selected element if I go too fast. When navigating very slowly this does not occur. By navigation, I refer to the arrow keys and also to quick nav keys like h for heading and k for link.
- Responsiveness is generally slow when arrowing around in complex web pages like Facebook, Youtube etc.
I am suspecting NVDA is involved to some extent as the affected key commands are interpreted by NVDA rather than by FF.
Has anyone experienced this, and found a way to recover?
Kind regards and happy Easter to all of you who celebrate it,
Felix Grützmacher


Re: prevent pages from refreshing

Kevin Chao
 

Has anyone filed a NVDA github issue on this? If so, what's link to bug? Thanks!


On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 8:38 AM Patrick Le Baudour <p.lebaudour@...> wrote:
if it is that important, maybe you should post a ticket on the dev site ?
As it is browser-dependant, it isn't that easy... it can probably be
done, but i'd guess it would be quicker to find the option for most
browsers. I've done it long ago in firefox and IE.

Not sure about javascript-based refreshing, though.


-- Patrick
Le 26/03/2016 15:02, Mallard a écrit :
> ...And Cobra, just like Jaws, has been around for quite a while.
> Threfore, I suppose, NVDA should be able to face this issue and solve it
> too.
>
> I really find it strange (and disappointing) that, in spite of my
> bringing this up a few times, at different moments, nobody ever gave a
> REAL reply.
> I hope that now, with a few more people complaining about this issue, it
> will be taken seriously and tackled once and for all.
>
> Ciao,
> Ollie
>
>
>
>
> Il 26/03/2016 13:20, Davy Cuppens ha scritto:
>> Gene
>> Cobra is the screen reader from www.baum.de <http://www.baum.de> a
>> German company for assistive technologies for the blind.
>> Regards
>> Davy
>> *From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 25, 2016 8:24 PM
>> *To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
>> I don't know what Cobra is.  I can say that in Firefox, there is a
>> setting to stop the browser from refreshing.  I don't know what effect
>> the setting has on structures such as carousels.  Nor do I know if
>> what is going on has the same or a similar cause because I don't know
>> what is being described as refreshing in today's message.
>> If you use firefox, in the main window, press alt, then press t, wait
>> a moment then o.
>> Tab once after waiting a moment.
>> down arrow to advanced.
>> If you get stuck partway down the list, up arrow then continue down
>> again to get you unstuck.
>> Once you get to advanced, start tabbing.  You will see a check box
>> about notifying you if Firefox is being redirected or refreshing a
>> page.  That isn't the exact wording but it's there and my description
>> should allow you to kno it.  Check the check box.  There is no ok
>> button. Continue using firefox now.  Or close it if you wish.
>> You may find that you get one such message when a page wants to do
>> something and nothing more during that session of working on the page.
>> You don't have to worry about closing such messages.  They don't block
>> anything and will be replaced automaticaally with future messages.
>> As far as commercial screen-readers are concerned, while they have
>> features to stop refreshes, I don't know if they work in all cases.  I
>> have found times in the past when the JAWS feature didn't work when
>> confronted by some kinds of page refreshes.
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Mallard <mailto:mallard@...>
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 25, 2016 2:07 PM
>> *To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
>>
>> Hello Davy,
>>
>> I started this topic more than once, and even last week or ten days ago.
>> I was told that "I was describing a way Firefox behaves on my machine",
>> and that if this had been a problem for more people than myself, there
>> would be ah uge number of messages on this (or soemthing to that ilk).
>>
>> Clearly, this is an issue that NVDA should find a way of solving, one
>> way or another. This constant refiesching of webpages is nnoying, and
>> prevents one from working correctly.
>>
>> Other screen readers have a way of blocking this, so it MUST be possible.
>>
>> I'd hate to have to go back to commercial screen readers because of this
>> issue, because more and moe web pages seem to be employing this horrible
>> technology (Carousels, or whatever they call them).
>>
>> Thanks for beinging this up again.
>> Hopefully, since there are now tro of us, someone will take a minute to
>> look into this.
>> Ciao,
>> Ollie
>>
>>
>>
>> Il 25/03/2016 17:34, Davy Cuppens ha scritto:
>> > Hi folks
>> > Is there a way in nvda that one can prevent pages from being
>> > constantly refreshed? In my professional sr Cobra I have a shortcut s
>> > in virtual mode so that pags become static and focus won’t jump to the
>> > front of it.
>> > Regards
>> > Davy
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> .
>




Re: prevent pages from refreshing

Patrick Le Baudour
 

if it is that important, maybe you should post a ticket on the dev site ?
As it is browser-dependant, it isn't that easy... it can probably be done, but i'd guess it would be quicker to find the option for most browsers. I've done it long ago in firefox and IE.

Not sure about javascript-based refreshing, though.


-- Patrick

Le 26/03/2016 15:02, Mallard a écrit :
...And Cobra, just like Jaws, has been around for quite a while.
Threfore, I suppose, NVDA should be able to face this issue and solve it
too.

I really find it strange (and disappointing) that, in spite of my
bringing this up a few times, at different moments, nobody ever gave a
REAL reply.
I hope that now, with a few more people complaining about this issue, it
will be taken seriously and tackled once and for all.

Ciao,
Ollie




Il 26/03/2016 13:20, Davy Cuppens ha scritto:
Gene
Cobra is the screen reader from www.baum.de <http://www.baum.de> a
German company for assistive technologies for the blind.
Regards
Davy
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*Sent:* Friday, March 25, 2016 8:24 PM
*To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
I don't know what Cobra is. I can say that in Firefox, there is a
setting to stop the browser from refreshing. I don't know what effect
the setting has on structures such as carousels. Nor do I know if
what is going on has the same or a similar cause because I don't know
what is being described as refreshing in today's message.
If you use firefox, in the main window, press alt, then press t, wait
a moment then o.
Tab once after waiting a moment.
down arrow to advanced.
If you get stuck partway down the list, up arrow then continue down
again to get you unstuck.
Once you get to advanced, start tabbing. You will see a check box
about notifying you if Firefox is being redirected or refreshing a
page. That isn't the exact wording but it's there and my description
should allow you to kno it. Check the check box. There is no ok
button. Continue using firefox now. Or close it if you wish.
You may find that you get one such message when a page wants to do
something and nothing more during that session of working on the page.
You don't have to worry about closing such messages. They don't block
anything and will be replaced automaticaally with future messages.
As far as commercial screen-readers are concerned, while they have
features to stop refreshes, I don't know if they work in all cases. I
have found times in the past when the JAWS feature didn't work when
confronted by some kinds of page refreshes.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Mallard <mailto:mallard@...>
*Sent:* Friday, March 25, 2016 2:07 PM
*To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing

Hello Davy,

I started this topic more than once, and even last week or ten days ago.
I was told that "I was describing a way Firefox behaves on my machine",
and that if this had been a problem for more people than myself, there
would be ah uge number of messages on this (or soemthing to that ilk).

Clearly, this is an issue that NVDA should find a way of solving, one
way or another. This constant refiesching of webpages is nnoying, and
prevents one from working correctly.

Other screen readers have a way of blocking this, so it MUST be possible.

I'd hate to have to go back to commercial screen readers because of this
issue, because more and moe web pages seem to be employing this horrible
technology (Carousels, or whatever they call them).

Thanks for beinging this up again.
Hopefully, since there are now tro of us, someone will take a minute to
look into this.
Ciao,
Ollie



Il 25/03/2016 17:34, Davy Cuppens ha scritto:
Hi folks
Is there a way in nvda that one can prevent pages from being
constantly refreshed? In my professional sr Cobra I have a shortcut s
in virtual mode so that pags become static and focus won’t jump to the
front of it.
Regards
Davy





.


Re: and Chromium

Gene
 

I saw a message from Shaun much earlier today, my time, indicating that Google Chrome is similar to Chromium.  If so, my comments on accessibility may not apply.  I don't know that, I'm just saying that accessibility may be the same or similar depending on how closely the branches are related. 
 
Gene
 


Re: Google Chrome Settings

Gene
 

You can try to see what the case is when you do.  I seldom change settings after I initially did but when I tried recently, I couldn't use the quick key navigation.  I wasn't using a current version of NVDA so I don't know if that would matter. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 8:31 AM
Subject: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

Hi

      Is anyone using Google Chrome and can they confirm if the settings page is accessible using navigation quick keys?

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

My chris.mullins4@... address will soon be closed

Please substitute this new address in your contacts list

 


Re: Google Chrome Settings

Kevin Chao
 

Chrome settings seems all accessible with quick-nav keys here

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 6:33 AM Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:

Hi

      Is anyone using Google Chrome and can they confirm if the settings page is accessible using navigation quick keys?

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

My chris.mullins4@... address will soon be closed

Please substitute this new address in your contacts list

 


Re: prevent pages from refreshing

Gene
 

Then maybe the Cobra developers should be approached as well concerning making their browsers not refresh.  Since this is a browser developed for the blind, they have as much or more responsibility to put such a feature in their browser.  And as I said in a previous message, my recollection is that in at least one commercial screen-reader, the refresh feature cannot control refreshing under certain conditions such as when JAVA scripts trigger refreshes.  That was years ago, when I used commercial screen-readers.  But I have no idea what the situation is today.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing

Gene
 
Cobra is the screen reader from www.baum.de a German company for assistive technologies for the blind.
Regards
Davy
 
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
 
I don't know what Cobra is.  I can say that in Firefox, there is a setting to stop the browser from refreshing.  I don't know what effect the setting has on structures such as carousels.  Nor do I know if what is going on has the same or a similar cause because I don't know what is being described as refreshing in today's message. 
 
If you use firefox, in the main window, press alt, then press t, wait a moment then o.
Tab once after waiting a moment.
down arrow to advanced.
If you get stuck partway down the list, up arrow then continue down again to get you unstuck.
Once you get to advanced, start tabbing.  You will see a check box about notifying you if Firefox is being redirected or refreshing a page.  That isn't the exact wording but it's there and my description should allow you to kno it.  Check the check box.  There is no ok button.  Continue using firefox now.  Or close it if you wish. 
 
You may find that you get one such message when a page wants to do something and nothing more during that session of working on the page. You don't have to worry about closing such messages.  They don't block anything and will be replaced automaticaally with future messages.
 
As far as commercial screen-readers are concerned, while they have features to stop refreshes, I don't know if they work in all cases.  I have found times in the past when the JAWS feature didn't work when confronted by some kinds of page refreshes.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Mallard
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
 

Hello Davy,

I started this topic more than once, and even last week or ten days ago.
I was told that "I was describing a way Firefox behaves on my machine",
and that if this had been a problem for more people than myself, there
would be ah uge number of messages on this (or soemthing to that ilk).

Clearly, this is an issue that NVDA should find a way of solving, one
way or another. This constant refiesching of webpages is nnoying, and
prevents one from working correctly.

Other screen readers have a way of blocking this, so it MUST be possible.

I'd hate to have to go back to commercial screen readers because of this
issue, because more and moe web pages seem to be employing this horrible
technology (Carousels, or whatever they call them).

Thanks for beinging this up again.
Hopefully, since there are now tro of us, someone will take a minute to
look into this.
Ciao,
Ollie



Il 25/03/2016 17:34, Davy Cuppens ha scritto:
> Hi folks
> Is there a way in nvda that one can prevent pages from being
> constantly refreshed? In my professional sr Cobra I have a shortcut s
> in virtual mode so that pags become static and focus won’t jump to the
> front of it.
> Regards
> Davy
>