Speech refactor?

Lino Morales

OK I just read the what’s new. So what is this speech refactor about? No mention of it.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Speech player question

Greg Wocher

Hello,
Is there going to be a Python 3 compatible version of the speech player add-on?

Greg Wocher

Re: 2019.3 how to use Emoticons

molly the blind tech lover

I like the emoji panel ☺

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nikola Jovic
Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] 2019.3 how to use Emoticons

For emoticons, the addon helps to insert them without remembering each simbol. As for emoji, if you use Windows 10, there is something called the emoji panel. To access it, you use windows plus . period, and pick the one you want to insert either by choosing a category, or just by searching for an emoji. Your recently used simbols will always be at the top.

On 12/9/19, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@...> wrote:
Thanks but, my question is how will gonna use Emoticon

let say you wanting to pick from the list. Or Do we have to use key
command in order to pick of our choice

and from their we could easily copy and paste to particular editor.

On 12/9/2019 9:14 PM, Nikola Jovic wrote:
It's not. Don't confuse Emoji and emoticon. An emoticon is composed
tipically of a combination of several punctuation marks, like less
than sign and number 3 for the heart emoticon. However, these days
emoji are used more frequently, which are unicode specific simbols
and modern apps often automatically convert emoticons to alternative
emoji. About the emoticons addon itself, it will be ported as the
Python 3 changes are already being tested by the developer. Reading
of emoji is supported by NVDA natively and does not require
additional addons.

On 12/9/19, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@...> wrote:
Hi, since emoticons is already in the core of cycle of 2019.3, my
question is here how to use this features?

Re: 2019.3 how to use Emoticons

Nikola Jovic

For emoticons, the addon helps to insert them without remembering each
simbol. As for emoji, if you use Windows 10, there is something called
the emoji panel. To access it, you use windows plus . period, and pick
the one you want to insert either by choosing a category, or just by
searching for an emoji. Your recently used simbols will always be at
the top.

On 12/9/19, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@...> wrote:
Thanks but, my question is how will gonna use Emoticon

let say you wanting to pick from the list. Or Do we have to use key
command in order to pick of our choice

and from their we could easily copy and paste to particular editor.

On 12/9/2019 9:14 PM, Nikola Jovic wrote:
It's not. Don't confuse Emoji and emoticon. An emoticon is composed
tipically of a combination of several punctuation marks, like less
than sign and number 3 for the heart emoticon. However, these days
emoji are used more frequently, which are unicode specific simbols and
modern apps often automatically convert emoticons to alternative
emoji. About the emoticons addon itself, it will be ported as the
Python 3 changes are already being tested by the developer. Reading of
emoji is supported by NVDA natively and does not require additional
addons.

On 12/9/19, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@...> wrote:
Hi, since emoticons is already in the core of cycle of 2019.3,
my question is here how to use this features?

Focus highlight with remote applications?

The initial add-on was never able to do this. so, I am wondering, if an Aira agent is viewing my screen after running 2019.3, with the feature turned on, can they see the highlight through zoom or TeamViewer? That would be hugely helpful when consulting with companies.

Re: 2019.3 how to use Emoticons

Robert Mendoza

Thanks but, my question is how will gonna use Emoticon

let say you wanting to pick from the list. Or Do we have to use key command in order to pick of our choice

and from their we could easily copy and paste to particular editor.

On 12/9/2019 9:14 PM, Nikola Jovic wrote:
It's not. Don't confuse Emoji and emoticon. An emoticon is composed
tipically of a combination of several punctuation marks, like less
than sign and number 3 for the heart emoticon. However, these days
emoji are used more frequently, which are unicode specific simbols and
modern apps often automatically convert emoticons to alternative
emoji. About the emoticons addon itself, it will be ported as the
Python 3 changes are already being tested by the developer. Reading of
emoji is supported by NVDA natively and does not require additional
addons.

On 12/9/19, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@...> wrote:
Hi, since emoticons is already in the core of cycle of 2019.3,
my question is here how to use this features?

Re: 2019.3 how to use Emoticons

Nikola Jovic

It's not. Don't confuse Emoji and emoticon. An emoticon is composed
tipically of a combination of several punctuation marks, like less
than sign and number 3 for the heart emoticon. However, these days
emoji are used more frequently, which are unicode specific simbols and
modern apps often automatically convert emoticons to alternative
emoji. About the emoticons addon itself, it will be ported as the
Python 3 changes are already being tested by the developer. Reading of
emoji is supported by NVDA natively and does not require additional
addons.

On 12/9/19, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@...> wrote:
Hi, since emoticons is already in the core of cycle of 2019.3,
my question is here how to use this features?

Re: Quick NVDA question

molly the blind tech lover

Oh . . . I didn’t realize. My apologies. Hmmm. I am not sure what the solution is.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of George McCoy
Sent: Sunday, December 8, 2019 11:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Quick NVDA question

There are some laptops where that doesn't work, notable older HP elitebooks.

George

On 12/8/2019 10:00 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Hi.

Hold down control, shift, NVDA and use the left or right arrows to scroll through the options. There are options to change the voice and speech rate. Once you find the option you want use the up and down arrow to increase or decrease the value.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: Sunday, December 8, 2019 10:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Quick NVDA question

Hi all, Michael here.

I can't seem to change the speech rate and the voice on the go with an copy of NVDA on an Laptop using Laptop keyboard layout. I can do it on my other laptop with a full size keyboard.

Any idea how can I do the same thing as I used to do on my other Laptop on this laptop with laptop keyboard layout?

Hope to hear from you'all.

Thanks and and have a nice weekend.

Best regards

2019.3 how to use Emoticons

Robert Mendoza

Hi, since emoticons is already in the core of cycle of 2019.3,
my question is here how to use this features?

Re: NVDA 2019.3 Beta 1 is out

Quentin Christensen

Replying to everyone at once just to save traffic:

Kostadin: I'm not sure when the translation freeze will begin, I'd suggest likely early in the new year, but don't quote me on that - I'll try to get you a more up to date answer.

Shaun: I'm not sure what you were replying to there about not wanting another announcement?  Which one don't you want?  Also re audio themes, yes, it will come, not in 2019.3, but it will come :)

Robert: Feel free to try the beta out, even if you are using non-standard add-ons, at least you can work out what will work and what won't and maybe find an alternative way for some things or convince add-on authors to update (and ideally publish on the community page - unless they.... wouldn't meet the legal requirements, shall we say, in which case, do consider finding an alternative :))

Gene: Glad the update didn't break your startup setting.  Fingers crossed it works from now on! :)

Quentin.

On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 7:52 PM hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi Quentin

I noticed this time when I down loaded the beta it keeped my setting for starting nvda when windows starts up. it used to un check the box so glad it is fixed.

Well I am guessing it will stay the same from now on with each beta update?

Gene nz

On 9/12/2019 8:32 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Sky,

The copy to clipboard etc conversation comes up regularly.  For now, I'll just direct you to my comment last time this came up: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/66783

Re Remote, there are arguments for and against that.  For, as you say, means new users don't need to install an update.  Against is we often get asked by companies installing NVDA about security and what data NVDA can or does send.  Currently, it's quite easy to answer, as the program sends very little information and no personal information or speech content or what the user is doing.  If we included Remote in the core, we'd need to work out how to keep everyone happy.  I'm not saying we can't or wouldn't, but it won't be in 2019.3 (not least of which because aside from whether we agree or not, we don't tend to add too many new features after we release a beta - from now on, work on 2019.3 will primarily be around stability and addressing any issues which get reported.  New features will still be worked on, but for Alpha releases looking towards inclusion in 2019.1.

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 6:21 PM Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:

Hello Quentin. I have downloaded the NVDA 2019.3.1 Beta release, and I have noticed a huge improvements over the 2019.2 one. Speech refactor is certainly a wonderful thing and I applaud speech refactor very much. However, there is one suggestion that could be included in the next betas. And that is the ability to have NVDA say, copied to clipboard, cut to clipboard, without the need for an add-on, and the second is I’d like to see the remote functionality built into the core of NVDA so that those of us who train on NVDA like myself can help clients without them having to install add-ons. Thanks, Sky.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2019 10:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2019.3 Beta 1 is out

Hi everyone,

The big news you've all been waiting for - 2019.3 beta 1 is out.  Read the full release notes here: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3beta1-now-available-for-testing/

As well as the update to Python, there are lots of exciting things in this release, some of these were covered in In-Process recently: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-29th-november/ and a few more will be highlighted in the next In-Process

Be sure to download it and please do let us know what works and importantly, what doesn't: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3beta1-now-available-for-testing/

Kind regards

Quentin.

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Re: Shutting window in Winamp

Gene

If you are saying that you can successfully create a hot key, but you can't close the dialog, then you may have to close the program using task manager after you create the hot key.

You can test with another screen-reader to see if the dialog can be closed.  But using the task manager in that specific part of the dialog may be what you will have to do.

Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2019 1:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Shutting window in Winamp

Yes, I think a global hotkeys.

I go in preferences and there global hotkeys.

After eighter tab I can't shuting Winamp only I can set hotkey.

Jarek
Dne 09.12.2019 v 4:29 Gene napsal(a):
Perhaps you are asking about the global hotkeys dialog.  I don't know why you may be having problems in that dialog.  I doubt it is related to NVDA but you can check, as I said, with another screen-reader.

From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2019 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Shutting window in Winamp

What version of Winamp are you using?  I'm using 5.66 and there is nothing about abbreviations in the general dialog.  Are you using the beta?  Maybe the program gets stuck somehow on a certain item.  Maybe you will have to try tabbing, then stopping on the item before the one that is causing a problem.
Then, if you want to see the items past the one causing the problem, try opening preferences, then shift tabbing then stopping on the item before the one that causes you a problem.

You can see if NVDA has anything to do with Winamp getting stuck on the item that causes you problems by using something like Narrator or JAWS and seeing if you have a problem.  That way you can see if the problemn occurs regardless of screen-reader.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2019 3:27 PM
Subject: [nvda] Shutting window in Winamp

Good evening group,

I have found out a big problem in Winamp.

When I open Winamp and preferences and general abbreviations, then 8
times I press key tab, then I can't shut it's window, and I can't go any
where.

I can only set abbreviations.

I wonder, what can I do for shut winamp
's window.

Could you please give me an advice?

Nvda is silent by pressing tab.

--
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Skype add-on with NVDA 2019.3 and Python 3

Cordelia Scharpf

Hi:

Does anybody use or test Skype add-on with NVDA 2019.3 and Python 3 on
Windows 10? If not, how readily accessible is Skype running on Windows 10
and NVDA without an add-on? I was in touch with Doug Lee, its developer, who
told me (and I paraphrase) that his add-on did not work too well with the
current and older NVDA versions. Whether and how soon he might update his
add-on, I do not know and it may depend on how useful users may find it.

Best,
Cordelia

Re: 2019.3 beta 1 concern with addons

So, for the remote add on, write to the remote add on developers about that. Also, IIRC, the emoticons add on has been merged into NVDA itself so I think that add on won't be updated anymore.

Folks, this would be a really really good time to start writing to the add on developers. Especially NVDA remote developers, which, to my knowledge, are not on this list. Their contact page is below. They are not on this list, so start writing to them.

https://nvdaremote.com/contact-us/

2019.3 beta 1 concern with addons

Robert Mendoza

Hi,

I tested the 2019.3of nvda today
and it works well. Kudos to the developer and involved tester for this one.
But, like to emphasize there are some addons still not yet ready
for example the remote support, Emoticons, etc.
Would there be a chance to develop these
that is compatible with the future stable build of 2019.3?
The reason of asking for this is primarily
we are regularly using the remote support addons here. Thanks.

Re: NVDA 2019.3 Beta 1 is out

hurrikennyandopo ...

Hi Quentin

I noticed this time when I down loaded the beta it keeped my setting for starting nvda when windows starts up. it used to un check the box so glad it is fixed.

Well I am guessing it will stay the same from now on with each beta update?

Gene nz

On 9/12/2019 8:32 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Sky,

The copy to clipboard etc conversation comes up regularly.  For now, I'll just direct you to my comment last time this came up: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/66783

Re Remote, there are arguments for and against that.  For, as you say, means new users don't need to install an update.  Against is we often get asked by companies installing NVDA about security and what data NVDA can or does send.  Currently, it's quite easy to answer, as the program sends very little information and no personal information or speech content or what the user is doing.  If we included Remote in the core, we'd need to work out how to keep everyone happy.  I'm not saying we can't or wouldn't, but it won't be in 2019.3 (not least of which because aside from whether we agree or not, we don't tend to add too many new features after we release a beta - from now on, work on 2019.3 will primarily be around stability and addressing any issues which get reported.  New features will still be worked on, but for Alpha releases looking towards inclusion in 2019.1.

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 6:21 PM Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:

Hello Quentin. I have downloaded the NVDA 2019.3.1 Beta release, and I have noticed a huge improvements over the 2019.2 one. Speech refactor is certainly a wonderful thing and I applaud speech refactor very much. However, there is one suggestion that could be included in the next betas. And that is the ability to have NVDA say, copied to clipboard, cut to clipboard, without the need for an add-on, and the second is I’d like to see the remote functionality built into the core of NVDA so that those of us who train on NVDA like myself can help clients without them having to install add-ons. Thanks, Sky.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2019 10:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2019.3 Beta 1 is out

Hi everyone,

The big news you've all been waiting for - 2019.3 beta 1 is out.  Read the full release notes here: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3beta1-now-available-for-testing/

As well as the update to Python, there are lots of exciting things in this release, some of these were covered in In-Process recently: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-29th-november/ and a few more will be highlighted in the next In-Process

Be sure to download it and please do let us know what works and importantly, what doesn't: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3beta1-now-available-for-testing/

Kind regards

Quentin.

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

--
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Training and Support Manager

Re: NVDA 2019.3 Beta 1 is out

I'm really glad you guys are not taking the Apple route and rushing a product out! I am gonna wait on this a while to try it out, because of my particular add ons I use that's technically not community add ons, but yay! Yes, it would be really good to have NVDA say, copied to clipboard, etc. Especially when using the extended windows clipboard. Or, well, if there is a windows sound event for that, tell me what it is. I have the blindness taylord sound scheme for windows already, but still. Wish windows would make clipboard sounds their own sound option.

Re: NVDA Remote: A big problem which I canot solve

Tyler Spivey

1. Please learn to thread properly.
2. Delete %appdata%\nvda\remote.ini and try again.

On Mon, Dec 09, 2019 at 08:18:06AM +0000, Luis Carlos Gonzáles Moráles wrote:
Hello people,
It seems that someone has the same problem as me, but anyway, using NVDA 2019.2.1, Windows 10 ver 1903, 64 bit, when I open the settings or connect dialog it just closes without opening the window. It seems that some error has been written in the log by some (unknown) reazon.
Here's the log if you know what is happening. I have a friend that wants to connect to the remote for some assistance.

Best regards,
P.S. That end was kinda of an infinite loophole I' don't know to resolve it...

Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Sky,

The copy to clipboard etc conversation comes up regularly. For now, I'll just direct you to my comment last time this came up: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/66783<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnvda.groups.io%2Fg%2Fnvda%2Fmessage%2F66783&data=02%7C01%7C%7C0ed62e8badf5492bc6e708d77c79fb8d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637114735658949964&sdata=iPSrhlbGyrXm9sSBaeY76TyPkFT5SHFCCsyWGUte9Kg%3D&reserved=0>

Re Remote, there are arguments for and against that. For, as you say, means new users don't need to install an update. Against is we often get asked by companies installing NVDA about security and what data NVDA can or does send. Currently, it's quite easy to answer, as the program sends very little information and no personal information or speech content or what the user is doing. If we included Remote in the core, we'd need to work out how to keep everyone happy. I'm not saying we can't or wouldn't, but it won't be in 2019.3 (not least of which because aside from whether we agree or not, we don't tend to add too many new features after we release a beta - from now on, work on 2019.3 will primarily be around stability and addressing any issues which get reported. New features will still be worked on, but for Alpha releases looking towards inclusion in 2019.1.

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 6:21 PM Sky Mundell <skyt@...<mailto:skyt@...>> wrote:
Hello Quentin. I have downloaded the NVDA 2019.3.1 Beta release, and I have noticed a huge improvements over the 2019.2 one. Speech refactor is certainly a wonderful thing and I applaud speech refactor very much. However, there is one suggestion that could be included in the next betas. And that is the ability to have NVDA say, copied to clipboard, cut to clipboard, without the need for an add-on, and the second is I’d like to see the remote functionality built into the core of NVDA so that those of us who train on NVDA like myself can help clients without them having to install add-ons. Thanks, Sky.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2019 10:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2019.3 Beta 1 is out

Hi everyone,

The big news you've all been waiting for - 2019.3 beta 1 is out. Read the full release notes here: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3beta1-now-available-for-testing/<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nvaccess.org%2Fpost%2Fnvda-2019-3beta1-now-available-for-testing%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C0ed62e8badf5492bc6e708d77c79fb8d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637114735658959973&sdata=XDwzDF5noA6D6F6r%2FoMOOHpJjhfG%2FkaG8G6uh5WolP4%3D&reserved=0>

As well as the update to Python, there are lots of exciting things in this release, some of these were covered in In-Process recently: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-29th-november/<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nvaccess.org%2Fpost%2Fin-process-29th-november%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C0ed62e8badf5492bc6e708d77c79fb8d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637114735658959973&sdata=boYZAlfY5zUnY0DwW7UWTSuFYlx6C8zDurkXMll93No%3D&reserved=0> and a few more will be highlighted in the next In-Process

Be sure to download it and please do let us know what works and importantly, what doesn't: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3beta1-now-available-for-testing/<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nvaccess.org%2Fpost%2Fnvda-2019-3beta1-now-available-for-testing%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C0ed62e8badf5492bc6e708d77c79fb8d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637114735658969981&sdata=%2BZb4Cfz27GWNYtPepU5E2UYeZMKZe0X%2BRmgoxr9UyaE%3D&reserved=0>

Kind regards

Quentin.

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NVDA Remote: A big problem which I canot solve

Luis Carlos Gonzáles Moráles

Hello people,
It seems that someone has the same problem as me, but anyway, using NVDA 2019.2.1, Windows 10 ver 1903, 64 bit, when I open the settings or connect dialog it just closes without opening the window. It seems that some error has been written in the log by some (unknown) reazon.
Here's the log if you know what is happening. I have a friend that wants to connect to the remote for some assistance.
INFO - __main__ (03:08:45.144):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (03:08:45.490):
Config dir: C:\Users\luisc\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (03:08:45.492):
Loading config: C:\Users\luisc\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (03:08:45.654):
NVDA version 2019.2.1
INFO - core.main (03:08:45.654):
Using Windows version 10.0.18362 workstation
INFO - core.main (03:08:45.654):
Using Python version 2.7.16 (v2.7.16:413a49145e, Mar  4 2019, 01:30:55) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (03:08:45.654):
Using comtypes version 1.1.7
INFO - core.main (03:08:45.654):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
INFO - external:synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (03:08:45.921):
Using eSpeak version 1.49.3 dev
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (03:08:45.986):
Loaded synthDriver espeak
INFO - core.main (03:08:45.986):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (03:08:45.987):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (03:08:45.990):
Using liblouis version 3.10.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (03:08:45.994):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (03:08:46.180):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6
ERROR - globalPluginHandler.initialize (03:08:53.197):
Error initializing global plugin <class 'globalPlugins.remoteClient.GlobalPlugin'>
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "globalPluginHandler.pyo", line 32, in initialize
File "C:\Users\luisc\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remoteClient\__init__.py", line 69, in __init__
File "C:\Users\luisc\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remoteClient\configuration.py", line 31, in get_config
File "configobj\__init__.pyo", line 1199, in __init__
File "configobj\__init__.pyo", line 1292, in _load
ParseError: Invalid line ('\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00') (matched as neither section nor keyword) at line 1.
INFO - external:globalPlugins.onlineOCR.abstractEngine.AbstractEngineHandler.setCurrentEngine (03:08:53.226):
Loaded engine azureOCR
INFO - external:globalPlugins.onlineOCR.abstractEngine.AbstractEngineHandler.setCurrentEngine (03:08:53.230):
Loaded engine machineLearning
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (03:08:53.266):
Loading config: C:\Users\luisc\AppData\Roaming\nvda\profiles\biblos.ini
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (03:08:53.273):
Loading config: C:\Users\luisc\AppData\Roaming\nvda\profiles\lambda.ini
INFO - external:globalPlugins.NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin.theGlobalPlugin.NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin.__init__ (03:08:53.332):
Loaded NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin version 8.1
INFO - core.main (03:08:53.538):
NVDA initialized
ERROR - unhandled exception (03:09:20.226):
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "C:\Users\luisc\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remoteClient\__init__.py", line 285, in do_connect
File "C:\Users\luisc\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remoteClient\configuration.py", line 31, in get_config
File "configobj\__init__.pyo", line 1199, in __init__
File "configobj\__init__.pyo", line 1292, in _load
ParseError: Invalid line ('\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00') (matched as neither section nor keyword) at line 1.

Best regards,
P.S. That end was kinda of an infinite loophole I' don't know to resolve it...

Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Sky,

The copy to clipboard etc conversation comes up regularly.  For now, I'll just direct you to my comment last time this came up: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/66783

Re Remote, there are arguments for and against that.  For, as you say, means new users don't need to install an update.  Against is we often get asked by companies installing NVDA about security and what data NVDA can or does send.  Currently, it's quite easy to answer, as the program sends very little information and no personal information or speech content or what the user is doing.  If we included Remote in the core, we'd need to work out how to keep everyone happy.  I'm not saying we can't or wouldn't, but it won't be in 2019.3 (not least of which because aside from whether we agree or not, we don't tend to add too many new features after we release a beta - from now on, work on 2019.3 will primarily be around stability and addressing any issues which get reported.  New features will still be worked on, but for Alpha releases looking towards inclusion in 2019.1.

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 6:21 PM Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:

Hello Quentin. I have downloaded the NVDA 2019.3.1 Beta release, and I have noticed a huge improvements over the 2019.2 one. Speech refactor is certainly a wonderful thing and I applaud speech refactor very much. However, there is one suggestion that could be included in the next betas. And that is the ability to have NVDA say, copied to clipboard, cut to clipboard, without the need for an add-on, and the second is I’d like to see the remote functionality built into the core of NVDA so that those of us who train on NVDA like myself can help clients without them having to install add-ons. Thanks, Sky.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2019 10:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2019.3 Beta 1 is out

Hi everyone,

The big news you've all been waiting for - 2019.3 beta 1 is out.  Read the full release notes here: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3beta1-now-available-for-testing/

As well as the update to Python, there are lots of exciting things in this release, some of these were covered in In-Process recently: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-29th-november/ and a few more will be highlighted in the next In-Process

Be sure to download it and please do let us know what works and importantly, what doesn't: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3beta1-now-available-for-testing/

Kind regards

Quentin.

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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Re: NVDA 2019.3 Beta 1 is out

I don't want another announcement I could see how that would work in a wordprocessor but not generally, maybe a tone you could set.

And thats another thing, I do think nvda audiothemes support needs to be built into the reader with the default basic theme of low quality sounds for nvda like we have now and events like in windows.

It goes without saying distributing it inside nvda is not a good idea well the themes but maybe have a place to download themes and a way to write them and heck even I'd do that.

On 9/12/2019 8:21 pm, Sky Mundell wrote:

Hello Quentin. I have downloaded the NVDA 2019.3.1 Beta release, and I have noticed a huge improvements over the 2019.2 one. Speech refactor is certainly a wonderful thing and I applaud speech refactor very much. However, there is one suggestion that could be included in the next betas. And that is the ability to have NVDA say, copied to clipboard, cut to clipboard, without the need for an add-on, and the second is I’d like to see the remote functionality built into the core of NVDA so that those of us who train on NVDA like myself can help clients without them having to install add-ons. Thanks, Sky.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2019 10:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2019.3 Beta 1 is out

Hi everyone,

The big news you've all been waiting for - 2019.3 beta 1 is out.  Read the full release notes here: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3beta1-now-available-for-testing/

As well as the update to Python, there are lots of exciting things in this release, some of these were covered in In-Process recently: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-29th-november/ and a few more will be highlighted in the next In-Process

Be sure to download it and please do let us know what works and importantly, what doesn't: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3beta1-now-available-for-testing/

Kind regards

Quentin.

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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Re: NVDA 2019.3 Beta 1 is out

Hello Quentin,

Sorry to ask here and not in the translators list, but what about the translation freeze period? When will it begin?

Thanks in advance!

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

На 9.12.2019 г. в 8:23, Quentin Christensen написа:

Hi everyone,

The big news you've all been waiting for - 2019.3 beta 1 is out.  Read the full release notes here: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3beta1-now-available-for-testing/

As well as the update to Python, there are lots of exciting things in this release, some of these were covered in In-Process recently: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-29th-november/ and a few more will be highlighted in the next In-Process

Be sure to download it and please do let us know what works and importantly, what doesn't: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3beta1-now-available-for-testing/

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager