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Re: Antivirus

Arlene
 

Hi, that's what I just said. windows defender does work for ten. From what I heard it's more accessible with ten then it is for 7. Yes it works just like MSE from what I heard.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stanley Haupt
Sent: September-20-16 7:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

Hello Pauline:

Windows Defender replaces Microsoft Security Essentials.

Stanley




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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pauline Smith
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

This is one of the reasons I haven't taken the plunge and updated to Windows 10. I have no clue what antivirus will work. You can no longer use Security Essentials after Win 7 I don't think.


Pauline



On 9/20/2016 7:59 AM, Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io wrote:
Hi.

I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.

Cheers.

El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io <wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> escribió:

Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?







Re: Antivirus

Stanley Haupt <bookworm@...>
 

Hello Pauline:

Windows Defender replaces Microsoft Security Essentials.

Stanley

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pauline Smith
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

This is one of the reasons I haven't taken the plunge and updated to Windows 10. I have no clue what antivirus will work. You can no longer use Security Essentials after Win 7 I don't think.


Pauline



On 9/20/2016 7:59 AM, Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io wrote:
Hi.

I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.

Cheers.

El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io <wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> escribió:

Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?







Re: Antivirus

Arlene
 

Hi, if you end up with ten. You can use windows defender. It works like MSE

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pauline Smith
Sent: September-20-16 7:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

This is one of the reasons I haven't taken the plunge and updated to Windows 10. I have no clue what antivirus will work. You can no longer use Security Essentials after Win 7 I don't think.


Pauline



On 9/20/2016 7:59 AM, Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io wrote:
Hi.

I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.

Cheers.

El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io <wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> escribió:

Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?







Re: Antivirus

Roger Stewart
 

Yes you can, but they now call it Windows Defender. I'm using Win 10 and I'm running Defender. It has anti virus, anti spyware, and anti malware so it is a complete suite. Can't say just how good it is, but I've never been bitten! Knock on wood! ;-)

Roger

On 9/20/2016 9:02 PM, Pauline Smith wrote:
This is one of the reasons I haven't taken the plunge and updated to Windows 10. I have no clue what antivirus will work. You can no longer use Security Essentials after Win 7 I don't think.


Pauline



On 9/20/2016 7:59 AM, Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io wrote:
Hi.

I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.

Cheers.

El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io <wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> escribió:

Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?









Re: Antivirus

Pauline Smith
 

This is one of the reasons I haven't taken the plunge and updated to Windows 10. I have no clue what antivirus will work. You can no longer use Security Essentials after Win 7 I don't think.


Pauline

On 9/20/2016 7:59 AM, Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io wrote:
Hi.

I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.

Cheers.

El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io <wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> escribió:

Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?






Re: Spotify

Gene
 

I don't know what you mean about sites being reluctant to play Flash.  Whatever the case, I never had problems with Flash on the Spotify site.  I'm not sure what problems are being had using the web site.  I would suggest instead, using google to search for something.  For example, the name of an album or the name of a song or a group followed by the name Spotify.  Then follow a link you want to listen to and see if that makes things easier to understand and to manage. 
 
Gene

Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Spotify

I've noticed a  certain reluctance on many sites for flash to actually be
used, so I suspect this may be an ongoing problem generally, not with nvda
though.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "kelby carlson" <kelbycarlson@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Spotify


>I use Firefox. When I re-opened the player it seemed to work, but
> clicking on most things just brought me back to the top of the page.
> Same thing with Internet Explorer. So far the application works
> better, though still has some issues.
>
> On 9/19/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>> You may be using a script blocker that is keeping flash from being seen
>> and
>> running on the site.  What browser or browsers are you using?  I'm not
>> sure
>> what accounts for the problem but to discuss it further, we need such
>> information.  Do you use more than one browser and if so, which ones?
>>
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: kelby carlson
>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 8:27 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Spotify
>>
>>
>> The web player isn't working; it tells me I need to install flash even
>> though I have the latest update.
>>
>> On 9/19/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>>> I don't know, these days, if, or to what extent spotify is accessible
>>> using
>>> the computer application you install.  It is reasonably accessible using
>>> the
>>> web site.  If you are logged in and play something using a browser, that
>>> is
>>> reasonably accessible.
>>>
>>> You may not get as good sound that way, but the sound will be reasonably
>>> good.
>>>
>>> Gene
>>>
>>>
>>> From: kelby carlson
>>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 6:36 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: [nvda] Spotify
>>>
>>>
>>> Is Spotify accessible with NVDA? Do you need an adon to use it?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>




Re: still can't configure thunderbird to say "read, replied".

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gene NZ,


I think doing a tutorial on moving columns and drag and drop is a great idea. Audio and text would be fine.


Rosemarie




On 9/20/2016 2:12 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi Christo


I was thinking just in case this come up again should i add to my thunder bird tutorial on how to add extra columns or remove them with NVDA in the header of the email step by step and also using the drag and drop method with nvda to move a column from one part to another.


it would either be written or audio or both.


it would go up to my website called Accessibility Central.net found at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net under the accessible email client mozilla thunderbird page.

If it is going to help some one else it will go up in the next day or so.


Gene nz



On 20/09/2016 8:31 PM, Christo de Klerk wrote:
Jacob

My method was slightly different but equally effective. Here is what I did:

From the message list I pressed NVDA+numpad 4 until I heard the name of the column I wanted to move (Status in my case). I then pressed NVDA+numpad slash to put the mouse pointer there. Then I pressed shift+numpad slash again to lock the left mouse button. Now I pressed NVDA+Numpad 4 again a number of times until I heard the name of the column before which I wanted to move Status. I pressed NVDA+numpad shlash to put the mouse pointer there and then pressed Shift+numpad slash to unlock the left mouse button.

I think why it wouldn't work previously, was because I had neglected to press NVDA+numpad slash on the from and to columns, so the mouse pointer hadn't been positioned correctly. Anyway, it works perfectly now. Thanks to all who gave pointers which helped us get there.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2016/09/20 10:18 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

hristo, it's version 45, and, my specific issue was that couldn't navigate to column headers using screen review, and using golden cursor didn't work in terms of drag and drop, but, according to MK's instructions, used object navigation, and NVDA + numpad 4 moved me to list, then NVDA + numpad 2 pressed once, told me had focus on thread column header, and then NVDA key + numpad 6, until it mentioned the select columns button, NVDA + numpad enter to activate it, and then, sticking to object navigation, drag and drop seemed to work in that list itself - bit nervous to try repeate it right now, since wouldn't want to mess up something had been hoping for for a while, but, it worked...<smile>


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-09-20 10:11 AM, Christo de Klerk wrote:
Jacob

It sounds like you are using version 24 of the Bird. In later versions screen review mode does not take you to the column headers. You can get to them with NVDA+numpad 4, but the drag feature doesn't move the columns.

Regards

Christo


On 2016/09/20 9:04 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

MK,


Thank you very much for this message - while I had no issue telling thunderbird which columns to display before - had just switched to screen review mode from first message in list,  used arrow keys to move  up until had found the column headers, routed mouse cursor to review cursor and invoked context menu using right mouse button press.


But, my issue has always been with reordering the column display order.


When I now worked through your instructions, just for testing, I thought of something else, and when had activated the button to tell it which columns to display, I found the from column in that form of context menu, routed mouse cursor to review/navigation cursor, using NVDA + numpad /, invoked mouse button lock using shift+numpad / and then just arrowed up to the subject column, routed mouse cursor to it again, and hit shift + numpad / to unlock mouse button, and voila! <smile>


As in now, finally, thunderbird is reading out from, and then subject line, and then status to me, followed by date/time - this has been roundabout my last, leftover gripe with thunderbird for quite a while...LOL!


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-09-20 1:55 AM, mk360 wrote:
Go to the first message in the messages list, press NVDA numpad 4 to move the object navigator to previews object until you ear "list", press NVDA numpad 2 to move the object navigator to the first object, NVDA will say something like "conversation" header, press NVDA numpad 6 to move the object navigator to the next object until you see a button to select columns and press NVDA numpad enter to activate the object. There you can select what columns you like to see in the list (I needed to verify these with the mouse pressing NVDA numpad / to move the mouse to the column that I need to check and press left mouse buton).

Good luck, and I hope that other with a better english can give you better instructions.
mk.

El 19/09/2016 a las 20:37, Rosemarie Chavarria escribió:

Hi, Brian,


How do I do this?


Thanks.


Rosemarie




On 9/19/2016 4:34 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Well, I just figured out the how to get replied/read announced,

You must activate the "Status" column AND you must move it to the left of the subject column (at least if you want to hear "read" or "replied" before the subject is announced.  NVDA is announcing columns that it makes sense to announce (which means it ignores columns not set, like "Starred" if something's not starred) working from left to right in the inbox table/message list area.

--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    









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Re: still can't configure thunderbird to say "read, replied".

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Christo


I was thinking just in case this come up again should i add to my thunder bird tutorial on how to add extra columns or remove them with NVDA in the header of the email step by step and also using the drag and drop method with nvda to move a column from one part to another.


it would either be written or audio or both.


it would go up to my website called Accessibility Central.net found at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net under the accessible email client mozilla thunderbird page.

If it is going to help some one else it will go up in the next day or so.


Gene nz



On 20/09/2016 8:31 PM, Christo de Klerk wrote:
Jacob

My method was slightly different but equally effective. Here is what I did:

From the message list I pressed NVDA+numpad 4 until I heard the name of the column I wanted to move (Status in my case). I then pressed NVDA+numpad slash to put the mouse pointer there. Then I pressed shift+numpad slash again to lock the left mouse button. Now I pressed NVDA+Numpad 4 again a number of times until I heard the name of the column before which I wanted to move Status. I pressed NVDA+numpad shlash to put the mouse pointer there and then pressed Shift+numpad slash to unlock the left mouse button.

I think why it wouldn't work previously, was because I had neglected to press NVDA+numpad slash on the from and to columns, so the mouse pointer hadn't been positioned correctly. Anyway, it works perfectly now. Thanks to all who gave pointers which helped us get there.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2016/09/20 10:18 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

hristo, it's version 45, and, my specific issue was that couldn't navigate to column headers using screen review, and using golden cursor didn't work in terms of drag and drop, but, according to MK's instructions, used object navigation, and NVDA + numpad 4 moved me to list, then NVDA + numpad 2 pressed once, told me had focus on thread column header, and then NVDA key + numpad 6, until it mentioned the select columns button, NVDA + numpad enter to activate it, and then, sticking to object navigation, drag and drop seemed to work in that list itself - bit nervous to try repeate it right now, since wouldn't want to mess up something had been hoping for for a while, but, it worked...<smile>


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-09-20 10:11 AM, Christo de Klerk wrote:
Jacob

It sounds like you are using version 24 of the Bird. In later versions screen review mode does not take you to the column headers. You can get to them with NVDA+numpad 4, but the drag feature doesn't move the columns.

Regards

Christo


On 2016/09/20 9:04 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

MK,


Thank you very much for this message - while I had no issue telling thunderbird which columns to display before - had just switched to screen review mode from first message in list,  used arrow keys to move  up until had found the column headers, routed mouse cursor to review cursor and invoked context menu using right mouse button press.


But, my issue has always been with reordering the column display order.


When I now worked through your instructions, just for testing, I thought of something else, and when had activated the button to tell it which columns to display, I found the from column in that form of context menu, routed mouse cursor to review/navigation cursor, using NVDA + numpad /, invoked mouse button lock using shift+numpad / and then just arrowed up to the subject column, routed mouse cursor to it again, and hit shift + numpad / to unlock mouse button, and voila! <smile>


As in now, finally, thunderbird is reading out from, and then subject line, and then status to me, followed by date/time - this has been roundabout my last, leftover gripe with thunderbird for quite a while...LOL!


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-09-20 1:55 AM, mk360 wrote:
Go to the first message in the messages list, press NVDA numpad 4 to move the object navigator to previews object until you ear "list", press NVDA numpad 2 to move the object navigator to the first object, NVDA will say something like "conversation" header, press NVDA numpad 6 to move the object navigator to the next object until you see a button to select columns and press NVDA numpad enter to activate the object. There you can select what columns you like to see in the list (I needed to verify these with the mouse pressing NVDA numpad / to move the mouse to the column that I need to check and press left mouse buton).

Good luck, and I hope that other with a better english can give you better instructions.
mk.

El 19/09/2016 a las 20:37, Rosemarie Chavarria escribió:

Hi, Brian,


How do I do this?


Thanks.


Rosemarie




On 9/19/2016 4:34 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Well, I just figured out the how to get replied/read announced,

You must activate the "Status" column AND you must move it to the left of the subject column (at least if you want to hear "read" or "replied" before the subject is announced.  NVDA is announcing columns that it makes sense to announce (which means it ignores columns not set, like "Starred" if something's not starred) working from left to right in the inbox table/message list area.

--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    









-- 
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net


Re: Antivirus

 

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 01:43 pm, Shaun Everiss wrote:
I think the reason we are not secure is that we are relying on our software to much.
Sure security software has its place

And you've hit the nail on the head right there.  People have been falsely lulled into believing that security software will protect them from any bone-headed thing they might choose to do.  This is patently untrue.

Teaching users good browsing hygiene, as I call it, is as important if not more important than the antivirus software they must use, regardless of their selection.

If you are finding that your antivirus or security suite, whatever it may be, is frequently quarantining stuff then you need to take a long, hard look at yourself and how that's coming to occur.  It's not the hand of God that's causing it.

Belief that you can be completely protected by any security software and behaving cavalierly as a result is a sure path to infection.  Everyone should take an occasional look at their "virus vault" or whatever your product calls it to see whether or not they're having things quarantined on a routine basis.  I cannot recall how long it's been since I've had anything detected by any of the antivirus programs I've used, which have included AVT, Avast, Panda Cloud, Microsoft Security Essentials, Windows Defender, and Clamwin (along with Clam Sentinel) during the last 5 years.   I would not step near cyberspace without an antivirus running, because accidents can happen, but it's not these products that have shielded me - they're just insurance.

The way unsophisticated individuals in any area learn is by watching and listening to those who've been around the block.  If they refuse to listen there's not much that can be done other than letting the chips fall where they may.  I don't presume that anyone cannot understand the premise I advocate. 
--
Brian

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Re: Googoe Chrome and Opera issues fixed

Jacob Kruger
 

Funny enough, opera, which is currently my primary browser, nd is also up to date is currently giving me hassles, on and off - as it seems to hang up on it's own, or make NVDA go silent at times - system overload?


Trying to figure out when this started happening, and what could have caused it, but, maybe I'll try rolling back a version or two, or something, and see how that works.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-09-20 10:45 PM, Dejan Ristic wrote:
Now that I've updated both Chrome and Opera to their latest versions, I am honoured to say that the issues I have mentioned before are fixed.


I hope you will find this piece of information very useful.






Re: Antivirus

 

No one is saying don't use it, using both is a good idea.
Security is like everything else combinations of things.
Software coupled with precortions helps its not full proof nothing is if you believe that then you are a fool!
What we don't need is to rely on one thing or use bloated software with so many extras that it may as well be a virus itself.

On 21/09/2016 8:34 a.m., Nimer Jaber wrote:
Yes, individuals need to use it... but that is still a better option than
telling a user not to use it because inferior options that are not
deadbolts work well... taking precautions is not sufficient enough to avoid
security problems anymore. Sites get hijacked, home computers are regularly
used in botnets... You won't change my views on terrible software, just as
I won't change your mind about the benefits to using *something*, even if
it isn't very good. My suggestion is to create a wiki including MSE and
other recommendations that are made on list regularly, and advise users to
do their own research about the quality or which one to use or not use.
These are options that we know to be accessible, but we are not telling you
that they will always work, and we are not making any statement or
guarantee about their effectiveness. Thoughts?

Thanks.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 3:24 PM Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:

Well one issue if it is any issue I have with msse though to be fair its
not happened as much as its hppened with say avg, is et an update and
suddenly lagit programs I have had no issue with suddenly are some weird
trogen.
I have excluded their folders from scanning in fact I have excluded a
lot from scanning that could be a problem.
this has included a 3gb backup folder of installers because of how slow
they get while loading otherwise.
However I do know that excluding these things is dangerous.
One of my friends on the cloud got hacked into.
And from then on everyone on several groups on the cloud got virus files.
We eventually deleted them, but I know in one case group leaders of
several groups banned everyone from using their sites and closed their
groups down and reformatted their servers and never came back because of
the trouble it caused.
So I can see why you wouldn't exclude either.
I have not as yet explored sophos.



On 21/09/2016 6:02 a.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Cannot you exclude the items from defender as you could in msse? I have
allowed a number of hacking tools to exist in 7, with msse simply by
changing them to allow in the dialogues after they were detected, but
I've not tried this in Defender, I'd have thought the two pieces of
software almost idemtical.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io"
<kibayasd=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus


Hi.

I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8
version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to
9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good
antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me
some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m
also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.

Cheers.

El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io
<wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> escribió:

Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less
accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA.
From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely
usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without
problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with
Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure
the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone
cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?










.



Googoe Chrome and Opera issues fixed

Dejan Ristic
 

Now that I've updated both Chrome and Opera to their latest versions, I am honoured to say that the issues I have mentioned before are fixed.


I hope you will find this piece of information very useful.


Re: getting rid of the are you sure you want to send message in thunderbird:

 

there is probably a checkbox to say yes to.
I got it the first time I used tb asking me if I wanted the key to be that way, and I told it to not show me it again or to remember my choice and hit yes and it did.
Outlook does the same by the way.

On 21/09/2016 7:58 a.m., Kenny Peyattt jr. wrote:
Hi I am using mozilla thunderbird, and every time I go to press control
plus enter: I get the message asking if I am ready to send this message.
How do I get rid of this message?

Kenny Peyatt jr.




Re: Antivirus

 

I actually agree with that.
Look at my last message.
I think the reason we are not secure is that we are relying on our software to much.
Sure security software has its place but its not falable we are not either but even so.
From time to time I install malwarebytes and use that.
And to be honest I prefur software that is medioker at best to the trouble I had with software telling me what was going on every second of the day or needed constant attention which was what it was when I first got the network working under norton.
Every day I had to make sure all the systems started.
And at least once a day a user would need a bypass.
Every couple months or so the security module would conflict with something and would have to be reforeshed along with the conflicting program in question.
There was a 90% chance that it would fail and a 99.9% chance that it wouldn't come back.
That system or systems as it happened would have to be taken out of circulation, often for a complete reformat after which I tried and usually failed to reproduce the problem.
And if I was able there was usually no information what that was.
Msse solved things by just doing it with no interaction.
The downside is I don't have the control I once had and I lost a lot of advanced options but I have a lot more time on my hands.
Ok so I need to be a bit smarter than the average office worker but its a small price to pay.
If you are an average office worker in an office then you don't need to be that smart, thats what admins are for.
At least you should be smart at home.
I have friends that protect their smart phones with security software.
Others that say that all that software will slow their device down.
I can't say I exactly do that.
However on phones the only real dammage you can get is malformed apps and you can avoid these mostly.
Especially on apple and google are aware of other places to.
The only real way to get hacked is with spam text messages and those are noticable I mean its easy to spot if its spam or not.
That may change but for now thats the way it is.
Even mac and linux are not imune.

On 21/09/2016 3:40 a.m., Brian Vogel wrote:
Gene,

I'm well aware of the many times that both Microsoft Security Essentials and Windows Defender have been "dissed." Even without questioning the motivations you note yourself that they are "tolerable."

I'm quite tired of the perpetuation of the myth, and it is a myth, that "the best antivirus software" is what, ultimately, keeps you safe from infection. People who browse and download carelessly virtually always get infections. I have to clean them up as part of my living, so I see this up close and personal all the time and a great many of those people have "the best" antivirus and/or security suite programs. Your best offense against infection is an excellent defense, which means paying attention to where you're traveling in cyberspace and/or what you're downloading. If whatever program you're using as antivirus doesn't do realtime scanning, particularly of e-mail messages if you're using an e-mail client program, before you can even touch them then you need to be using one that does (and that's the generic "you," not you, personally).

If accessibility is a concern there are few antivirus programs that are as accessible in all respects as those that come built-in to Windows. Having the ability to control what you need to control is a lot bigger on the practical needs list than what is "the best" in some bench tester's opinion if you ask me.


Re: Antivirus

Nimer Jaber
 

We also have to remember that we are writing these messages to users that may not have much computer experience. Telling people to enable and disable add-blockers every time something right and having people not be click-happy is something that neither you or I will do. I think it is dangerous to be providing advice to users assuming that they are going to be as technically inclined as you are.

Thanks.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 3:34 PM Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:
Yes, individuals need to use it... but that is still a better option than telling a user not to use it because inferior options that are not deadbolts work well... taking precautions is not sufficient enough to avoid security problems anymore. Sites get hijacked, home computers are regularly used in botnets... You won't change my views on terrible software, just as I won't change your mind about the benefits to using *something*, even if it isn't very good. My suggestion is to create a wiki including MSE and other recommendations that are made on list regularly, and advise users to do their own research about the quality or which one to use or not use. These are options that we know to be accessible, but we are not telling you that they will always work, and we are not making any statement or guarantee about their effectiveness. Thoughts?

Thanks.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 3:24 PM Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
Well one issue if it is any issue I have with msse though to be fair its
not happened as much as its hppened with say avg, is et an update and
suddenly lagit programs I have had no issue with suddenly are some weird
trogen.
I have excluded their folders from scanning in fact I have excluded a
lot from scanning that could be a problem.
this has included a 3gb backup folder of installers because of how slow
they get while loading otherwise.
However I do know that excluding these things is dangerous.
One of my friends on the cloud got hacked into.
And from then on everyone on several groups on the cloud got virus files.
We eventually deleted them, but I know in one case group leaders of
several groups banned everyone from using their sites and closed their
groups down and reformatted their servers and never came back because of
the trouble it caused.
So I can see why you wouldn't exclude either.
I have not as yet explored sophos.



On 21/09/2016 6:02 a.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
> Cannot you exclude the items from defender as you could in msse? I have
> allowed a number of hacking tools to exist in 7, with msse simply by
> changing them to allow in the dialogues after they were detected, but
> I've not tried this in Defender, I'd have thought the two pieces of
> software almost idemtical.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io"
> <kibayasd=yahoo.com@groups.io>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus
>
>
> Hi.
>
> I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8
> version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to
> 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good
> antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me
> some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m
> also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.
>
> Cheers.
>
>> El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io
>> <wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> escribió:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less
>> accessible-minded people in the software industry.
>>
>> Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA.
>> From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely
>> usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without
>> problems.
>>
>> I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with
>> Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure
>> the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone
>> cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.
>>
>> What are your experiences in this matter?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>




Re: Antivirus

Nimer Jaber
 

Yes, individuals need to use it... but that is still a better option than telling a user not to use it because inferior options that are not deadbolts work well... taking precautions is not sufficient enough to avoid security problems anymore. Sites get hijacked, home computers are regularly used in botnets... You won't change my views on terrible software, just as I won't change your mind about the benefits to using *something*, even if it isn't very good. My suggestion is to create a wiki including MSE and other recommendations that are made on list regularly, and advise users to do their own research about the quality or which one to use or not use. These are options that we know to be accessible, but we are not telling you that they will always work, and we are not making any statement or guarantee about their effectiveness. Thoughts?

Thanks.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 3:24 PM Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
Well one issue if it is any issue I have with msse though to be fair its
not happened as much as its hppened with say avg, is et an update and
suddenly lagit programs I have had no issue with suddenly are some weird
trogen.
I have excluded their folders from scanning in fact I have excluded a
lot from scanning that could be a problem.
this has included a 3gb backup folder of installers because of how slow
they get while loading otherwise.
However I do know that excluding these things is dangerous.
One of my friends on the cloud got hacked into.
And from then on everyone on several groups on the cloud got virus files.
We eventually deleted them, but I know in one case group leaders of
several groups banned everyone from using their sites and closed their
groups down and reformatted their servers and never came back because of
the trouble it caused.
So I can see why you wouldn't exclude either.
I have not as yet explored sophos.



On 21/09/2016 6:02 a.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
> Cannot you exclude the items from defender as you could in msse? I have
> allowed a number of hacking tools to exist in 7, with msse simply by
> changing them to allow in the dialogues after they were detected, but
> I've not tried this in Defender, I'd have thought the two pieces of
> software almost idemtical.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io"
> <kibayasd=yahoo.com@groups.io>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus
>
>
> Hi.
>
> I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8
> version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to
> 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good
> antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me
> some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m
> also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.
>
> Cheers.
>
>> El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io
>> <wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> escribió:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less
>> accessible-minded people in the software industry.
>>
>> Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA.
>> From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely
>> usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without
>> problems.
>>
>> I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with
>> Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure
>> the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone
>> cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.
>>
>> What are your experiences in this matter?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>




Re: Antivirus

 

I agree.
Now I do have addblock+ and I do have noscript so I do feel freer in some respects to what I do.
It doesn't mean I will tempt fate but I do know I can choose what I open.
The only issue I do have is that stuff like noscript does require you to be advanced.
Sometimes when I enter a site it will not work and I need to decide if its worth allowing it and as many sites as I can to read.
While this has not stopped the odd bit of a dodgy site hitting my system its reduced it a lot.
Even with all that I have had to shut down parts of my security so things like my wireless config profiles can run right on the extender I have.
Its not that bad but even so.
Firefox was the best choice for me by far though.
I think the first thing one needs to do is get a secure brouser.
Firefox and others mozilla and others release is based on the chrome engine.
Even though google's own implimentation of the chrome engine can be a bit bad, the chrome engine is easily hackable but if handled right most secure.
It is also quick in most cases and stable enough I don't have to pull out my beard when I use the net.
Yes it does crash but not as much as ie.
Having something mildly aggressive like ccleaner and using it to clear all your temp files before you shut down or when you end a net session helps to.
I don't mind if all sort of malware infect my computer as long as they appear in my temp files.
Every time just about I use my system I end the session with a flush of all junk folders so that does not worry me that much.
Things as simple as this usually helps with the web.
Clicking those unsafe texts and links, as well as scams and the like is your own problem not your security and for those that think that is a fool at best and a total idiot and moron at worst.
Msse is not secure, but after all its me pushing the buttons.
I have a secure brouser for the most part and keep things clear.
Email is scanned by the previder google these days.
Over that a simple adjustment keeps things happy.
The only reason I use any security is in case I miss something or something I download which isn't scanned or if I get something from a friend or another location well that can be bad.
If I service a computer not mine and even if its a family unit I don't plug my hdd into it usually.
I use a flash drive.
At the end of the day I plug it in, and do a quickformat on that drive and I can use it again.
If it dies, then an 4-8gb drive which is big enough for a service in most cases is cheap enough.

On 21/09/2016 6:07 a.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Yes, indeed, I found unfortunately that most malware was imported from
those come on adverts that offered other downloads. With an ad blocker
on you don't get any of that rubbish to distract you. Also if you are of
the mind to click links in emails from places you have never heard of,
then you deserve what you get.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus


I really don't get the resistance to either Microsoft Security
Essentials or Windows Defender, depending on whether you're running
Windows 7 or a later version of Windows, respectively.

Both are accessible and very serviceable antivirus/antimalware programs.
Both offer realtime scanning. Both allow you to set up exclusions to
scanning if a program you know to be legitimate is being picked up as
part of their scans.

No antivirus program or security suite is able to protect you from all
possible routes of infection. If you've been interacting with cyberspace
for years and aren't routinely getting items quarantined that indicates
that your browsing/downloading habits, which are your best defense
against infection, are good. If you're getting frequent identification
of infections you definitely need to analyze what you're doing (and most
often this is something that comes from operator actions) that is
causing this and cease and desist or eventually something will get past
whatever you're using.


Re: Endnotes in Word

kelby carlson
 

I don't really need to buy the entire training package; most of the
features of Word carry over from JAWS to NVDA. What I'm trying to
figure out how to do is go immediately to a particular
footnote/endnote, say note 80 of a document, without having to arrow
through the entire thing.

On 8/30/16, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Hi Kelby,

You didn't mention which version of Word you are using, but in recent
versions:

alt+s (to open the references ribbon)
h to "show notes'

this moves from the main part of the document to the endnote / footnote
section at the nearest note, or if in the endnote or footnote section, it
moves back to the main part of the document. If you have both endnotes and
footnotes it will ask which to go to.

There is a longer section on this and other referencing features in Word in
the upcoming Microsoft Word with NVDA which will be available from NV
Access shortly.

Regards

Quentin

On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 1:35 AM, kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@gmail.com>
wrote:

hello,

Is there an easy way to either (a) get a list of all of the
endnotes/footnotes in a Word document or to move from the place in the
text where there is a footnote/endnote directly to the endnote itself?




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Re: Antivirus

 

Well one issue if it is any issue I have with msse though to be fair its not happened as much as its hppened with say avg, is et an update and suddenly lagit programs I have had no issue with suddenly are some weird trogen.
I have excluded their folders from scanning in fact I have excluded a lot from scanning that could be a problem.
this has included a 3gb backup folder of installers because of how slow they get while loading otherwise.
However I do know that excluding these things is dangerous.
One of my friends on the cloud got hacked into.
And from then on everyone on several groups on the cloud got virus files.
We eventually deleted them, but I know in one case group leaders of several groups banned everyone from using their sites and closed their groups down and reformatted their servers and never came back because of the trouble it caused.
So I can see why you wouldn't exclude either.
I have not as yet explored sophos.

On 21/09/2016 6:02 a.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Cannot you exclude the items from defender as you could in msse? I have
allowed a number of hacking tools to exist in 7, with msse simply by
changing them to allow in the dialogues after they were detected, but
I've not tried this in Defender, I'd have thought the two pieces of
software almost idemtical.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io"
<kibayasd=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus


Hi.

I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8
version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to
9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good
antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me
some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m
also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.

Cheers.

El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io
<wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> escribió:

Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less
accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA.
From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely
usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without
problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with
Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure
the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone
cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?









.


Re: Antivirus

 

What saddens me is that we as users don't need a lot of what we think is secure.
A lot of the updates are for people that click those infected links or reply to the obvious fishing emails.
The only thing I can think of is that we either are relying on our software like we rely on our spellchecking and autocorrection software and or that some of us just do whatever because its what we do.
Certainly there are some stupid people that need a good reformat and should be left to do it themselves.
On the other hand while at university I had a calculator, and a spelling checker.
There was no real reason to even bother checking my documents, the computer did it.
I didn't need to do math because the computer did it.
As my education went on I just used a machine and the work got done.
People told me my spelling was degrading but I told them to naff off.
After university, and with no prospects of mainstream work, I got a low quality word processer and a new computer.
I stopped using my calculator it being broken and I stopped using office.
Being self employed the closest I have come to wordprocessing is this email client.
The closest I have come to chatting is skype.
I use winamp for most of my audio.
I have jarte to read and where needed edit word documents like for a testing project I run in.
I have a text file to write my training gym diary and mostly I just coppy last entry because its basically the same bar satturdays and even on satturdays it changes little and I don't need a processer.
The closest I get to actual work is when filling in a form in an html document on a webpage.
Its either that, or a physical working with a computer or audio, and I have 2 field recorders and several microphones and audio packages on my workstation.
Most of what I use is online and I am unsure if I could return to an office situation previded that is that I can continue to go like this I probably won't but for now.

On 21/09/2016 4:59 a.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Exactly the same so I rely on the windows solution almost completely
and som stand alone bits that I can use if I'm mega suspiciious.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Walmir Schultz via Groups.io"
<wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Antivirus


Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less
accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA.
From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely
usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without
problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with
Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure
the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone
cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?






.