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Re: VLC alternative?

Dean Masters <dwmasters15@...>
 

I went to the open file menu and read all the file types. There were many that I had never heard of so it looks like it will play whatever you want it to play. It will play blueray discs if you have a reader that will read blueray discs. The program can be run using a command line also.

They do have a 32 bit and a 64 bit program.

Dean

-----Original Message-----
From: Lino Morales
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 6:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VLC alternative?

What file type does Pothead Player support? I have Media Player Classic
on here besides Winamp. I like it..


On 9/21/2016 2:46 PM, Dean Masters wrote:
I also like pot player. all is done from the applications menu but a lot of keystroke are built in also. You can also record what you are listening to through the program.

Dean


-----Original Message----- From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 7:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VLC alternative?

hi.
i tried vlc and i faced very accessibility issues.
after trying many programs and search in the internet, i found
potplayer the best!
www.daumpotplayer.com

On 9/20/16, RealTalk <realtalk.pr@gmail.com> wrote:
I would definitely use Winamp, Foobar2000 works nicely as well, but you have
to do some configuration first.

On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Arlene <nedster66@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes, it’s winamp 5.66 Speaking of winamp. How does one make winamp the
default player. I am using windows 7. 64 bit. I know you go to audible and
do it that way. I did that. but when I go to play a file windows media
player still comes up. I want winamp to play. I can’t remember the life
of me how I got winamp to be default. I’m senile. Thanks. I know with this
7 box it gets windows media player stuck in its craw that it has to be
default. When you try to get it to have winamp as default. With my past
computer all I had to do was go to a radio station that used winamp. And
it asked if you wanted winamp as default. I’d say yes then it stayed
winamp. Same with windows media player. But this computer it seems to stay
stuck on windows media player no matter what I do. I’ll have to uninstall
and reinstall winamp hoping that does the trick. Sorry for the long
message.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter
Beasley
Sent: September-19-16 4:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VLC alternative?

or Tom Lorrimer’s website www.whitestick.co.uk

From: Monte Single
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 11:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VLC alternative?

You can find winamp, I think it is version 5.6 on the audio page of;

www.Jaws-users.com

lots of apps and utils on that website.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
Oliver
Sent: September-18-16 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VLC alternative?

If you hunt around on the net, you can still aquire winamp and use that.


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert
Kingett
Sent: Sunday, 18 September 2016 23:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] VLC alternative?

I am looking for an NVDA accessible player that can basically play as many
file types as VLC as well as podcasts and internet radio. There are a lot
of inaccessible elements about VLC so does anyone have an alternative?




Re: NVDA new install and java

Roger Stewart
 

I've found the best way to update or install Java is through NINITE. If I try to update using Java itself, it always gets to about half way through downloading and then errors out and fails but Ninite never does this--it is always successful. Further, I've found that Thunderbird does some weird things with Java. If you run Thunderbird and then close it, it must leave part of itself hidden deep in the background and whatever that little piece of the program is, it is somehow using Java all the time and it won't let you update. The only way to update Java is to do it right after a clean restart and before any other programs have been run. When I do it like that, I can always get it to update and I don't need any access bridge or anything else.

Hope this helps.

Roger

On 9/22/2016 6:03 PM, David Mehler wrote:
Hello,

I'm using the latest NVDA on a win7 x64 machine. Today requirements
were to add java 7 update 45. I did this then I have to disable the
auto updater, just relaying what I have to do. In order to do this I
have to pull up the java control panel. It doesn't talk with NVDA.
Question, is there a way to get NVDA and java going without installing
the access bridge? Reason being i'd just have to pull it when I send
the machine out. This NVDA version is temporarily installed on the
machine.

Thanks.
Dave.



Re: Windows Explorer

David Mehler
 

Hello,

I had a recent issue with the ribbon in windows explorer not showing.
Thanks to some help and google turns out the issue was the window not
the ribbon was not maximized. I maximized the window and the ribbon
pressing alt started working.

Thanks.
Dave.

On 9/20/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
Create a new folder shift control n
However one can reset the menus to old style but you still find the
shortcut faster nonetheless.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "kelby carlson" <kelbycarlson@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:40 PM
Subject: [nvda] Windows Explorer


In Windows 10, I'm having trouble doing a lot of things in Windows
explorer. Pressing the alt key doesn't bring up the ribbons to do
things like create a new folder. Is this an NVDA issue?






NVDA new install and java

David Mehler
 

Hello,

I'm using the latest NVDA on a win7 x64 machine. Today requirements
were to add java 7 update 45. I did this then I have to disable the
auto updater, just relaying what I have to do. In order to do this I
have to pull up the java control panel. It doesn't talk with NVDA.
Question, is there a way to get NVDA and java going without installing
the access bridge? Reason being i'd just have to pull it when I send
the machine out. This NVDA version is temporarily installed on the
machine.

Thanks.
Dave.


Re: NVDA Installer Package in Chinese

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


Did you download the file from the NVACCESS website found at http://www.nvaccess.org or from another website run by another country?


if your language is set to english the documentation should be in english.


I think it would be a good idea first to see what language nvda is set to under the general settings in nvda first.

Then if it is another language maybe try the following.


I would have to check just in case it is another language you might be able to do the following.


While it is in tempory mode before you go to install it, you could try the following while it is speaking hopefully it might be in english, but you should be able to still do it.


Use the nvda key + ctrl key + the letter G to bring up the general settings dialogue.

The very first option should be language. they are usually set to default. If it says some other language, you could depending which way you go either hit the letter U for user default and if it is say in another language it should take you to the user default language maybe in your case english.

This might have to be done a couple of times until you get to user default.


The other options if the user default one is not used and you are english speaking hit the letter E to you get to english then after that tab down to the ok button.


It will ask nvda   to restart, say yes to this and it will go to the language you chose.


I do have a audio tutorial on what to do i would just have to locate it.


The audio tutorial can be found at https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64177841/How%20to%20reset%20your%20language%20settings%20in%20NVDA.MP3

On 23/09/2016 2:33 AM, davidmagowan1982@... wrote:

Hi,


I am trying to install NVDA on my desktop and I have downloaded the latest version of the installer.  When i run the installer the license agreement is in English but all the buttons within the installer package are in what appears to be Chinese (just a guess).  So i don't know how to install it.  I am assuming it must be a setting somewhere on Windows that thinks the OS is set to Chinese but all region settings i can see are set to English (UK).  Can anyone help?


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Re: Braille edge issues

Mallard
 

Thanks for confirming this. It's the same with my Seika Touchme5; that doesn't bother me at all, but my friend is new to NVDA and Windows 10, and his old braille display (a Powerbraille of some sort) doesn't seem to work with Win10. He tried connecting his Braille Sense and, even with the .ddl that Paul sent me, he doesn't seem to have solved the issue.

If you confirm that this is how it works, I'll tell him, and he'll ahve to make do.


Ciao grazie,

Ollie

Il 22/09/2016 19:03, Nevzat Adil ha scritto:
I use Braille Edge and it's the same with me. When Braille Edge is
used as a display the only way to operate it is via the computer. When
used as a notetaker than the controls work.
I just accepted this fact thinking this is how it is.


On 9/22/16, Mallard <mallard@kimabe.eu> wrote:
Hello,


A friend of mine reports the same issue with BrailleSense.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 22/09/2016 16:09, Hess, John (DEED) ha scritto:
Good day. I have a Braille edge running the latest firmware and the
latest NVDA release. I am noticing that the controls on the edge don’t
work. I can read braille and manipulate it from the computer but can’t
do anything from the display such as pan the display or use curser
routing keys. Is this a known bug or am I missing a setting?




Re: Kodi, was: Re: [nvda] VLC alternative?

jeremy <icu8it2@...>
 

Unfortunately I do not have the link off the top of my head. Doing a google for Kodi accessibility should lead you towards the correct pages though. I'll also see what I can dig up and post it here, if you need me to. My apologies, as it's been a good while since I had it on my computer. :)
Take care.


Governor staten wrote:


I downloaded codi, and might give it a spin. How do you get the accessibility plugin?


------------------------------------------------------------------------




On 9/21/2016 11:00 PM, Jeremy wrote:
Kodi isn't bad and offers quite a bit in the list of stuff you can do with it, but getting it set up for accessibility can be a little frustrating. Also, it's worth keeping in mind, for those who wish to try it, the accessibility doesn't really allow your screenreader to access the interface for Kodi, it's moreso that the application becomes self-speaking. One big disadvantage to this approach is that some areas of Kodi are inaccessible. If you try to read these areas with NVDA, they are either read as unknown or not read at all.

It does work pretty well for accessing services such as youtube, but one needs to keep in mind that even a basic install of Kodi is pretty bloated, so one may argue it's usefulness if you wanted to use it as a media player for stuff like locally stored music.
it's also worth pointing out that not all of the addons, youtube, pandora, songza, etc work the same or are as accessible. There were a number of addons I tried that had unlabeled buttons, which made using their interfaces pretty weird to get used to.

I really can't speak to any changes that may have been made here recently, as it's been around 9 months since I had it installed, but I would highly recommend playing with it for those who are interested. The fact that the guy that wrote the accessibility plugin has put as much attention towards accessibility always seemed really awesome to me.
Just a few thoughts and hope it helps. :)
Take care.
Brian Vogel wrote:

Lino,

This is not a criticism, in any way, of the Daum Pot Player software since I've not yet played with it, but it's obvious from the Daum Pot Player website <http://daumpotplayer.com/> that it's very roughly translated. Their feature page <http://daumpotplayer.com/features/> notes, "Support of all modern audio and video formats," but doesn't go into any additional detail that I can find.

Has anyone tried Kodi <https://kodi.tv/>? This is open source and I could swear I saw the original recommendation for it on one of the blind technology related forums, but I can't be certain of that at this point since I see my last download on it was in February.

--
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Re: panning progress bars?

Roger Stewart
 

I personally wouldn't want this. I see no real advantage to it as nothing is moving across the screen as the mouse pointer does and that's where the panning feature works great.  If someone wants to go ahead and make an add on to do this, that's fine with me--I just wouldn't install it but those who want it could be free to use it.

Roger









On 9/22/2016 8:59 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
It could, if the sounds are the same. I think progress bar sounds could be different, lower sounds, like the progress bar of updating NVDA or installing an addon.

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Would not this clash with the mouse beeps function?
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Devin Prater" <r.d.t.prater@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 9:52 AM
Subject: [nvda] panning progress bars?


Hi all. How do people feel about, along with pitch based progress bars, an
option to make them pan from left, 0, to right, 100? Any ideas?
Devin Pratersent from Gmail.








Re: Braille edge issues

 

I use Braille Edge and it's the same with me. When Braille Edge is
used as a display the only way to operate it is via the computer. When
used as a notetaker than the controls work.
I just accepted this fact thinking this is how it is.

On 9/22/16, Mallard <mallard@kimabe.eu> wrote:
Hello,


A friend of mine reports the same issue with BrailleSense.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 22/09/2016 16:09, Hess, John (DEED) ha scritto:

Good day. I have a Braille edge running the latest firmware and the
latest NVDA release. I am noticing that the controls on the edge don’t
work. I can read braille and manipulate it from the computer but can’t
do anything from the display such as pan the display or use curser
routing keys. Is this a known bug or am I missing a setting?





Re: Braille edge issues

Mallard
 

Hello,


A friend of mine reports the same issue with BrailleSense.

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 22/09/2016 16:09, Hess, John (DEED) ha scritto:

Good day. I have a Braille edge running the latest firmware and the latest NVDA release. I am noticing that the controls on the edge don’t work. I can read braille and manipulate it from the computer but can’t do anything from the display such as pan the display or use curser routing keys. Is this a known bug or am I missing a setting?


NVDA Installer Package in Chinese

davidmagowan1982@...
 

Hi,


I am trying to install NVDA on my desktop and I have downloaded the latest version of the installer.  When i run the installer the license agreement is in English but all the buttons within the installer package are in what appears to be Chinese (just a guess).  So i don't know how to install it.  I am assuming it must be a setting somewhere on Windows that thinks the OS is set to Chinese but all region settings i can see are set to English (UK).  Can anyone help?


Re: Braille edge issues

 

Hi,

This is a major issue that some developers are investigating as we speak.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Hess, John (DEED)
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 7:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Braille edge issues

 

Good day. I have a Braille edge running the latest firmware and the latest NVDA release. I am noticing that the controls on the edge don’t work. I can read braille and manipulate it from the computer but can’t do anything from the display such as pan the display or use curser routing keys. Is this a known bug or am I missing a setting?


Braille edge issues

Hess, John (DEED) <john.hess@...>
 

Good day. I have a Braille edge running the latest firmware and the latest NVDA release. I am noticing that the controls on the edge don’t work. I can read braille and manipulate it from the computer but can’t do anything from the display such as pan the display or use curser routing keys. Is this a known bug or am I missing a setting?


Re: panning progress bars?

Devin Prater
 

It could, if the sounds are the same. I think progress bar sounds could be different, lower sounds, like the progress bar of updating NVDA or installing an addon.

Devin Pratersent from Gmail.

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Would not this clash with the mouse beeps function?
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Devin Prater" <r.d.t.prater@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 9:52 AM
Subject: [nvda] panning progress bars?


Hi all. How do people feel about, along with pitch based progress bars, an
option to make them pan from left, 0, to right, 100? Any ideas?
Devin Pratersent from Gmail.







Re: universal apps

 

Hi,
NVDA has object navigation, handy for universal apps. However, the accessibility of such apps cannot improve unless mindset of developers change. I do plan to host a meeting in October regarding this (as noted by Top Tech Tidbids today).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 6:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] universal apps

i wonder with the input gestures dialog, under touch gestures, is it possible to assign keyboard commands to touch gestures thus making a keyboard emulation for touch commands, therefore, making universal apps more accessible? kind of like the jaws touch cursor?




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universal apps

Josh Kennedy
 

i wonder with the input gestures dialog, under touch gestures, is it possible to assign keyboard commands to touch gestures thus making a keyboard emulation for touch commands, therefore, making universal apps more accessible? kind of like the jaws touch cursor?




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Re: a speech oddity

 

Based on Gene's suggestion I've done some playing and have succeeded in getting "unchanged ecky" to read as it should.

Under NVDA Preferences is the Speech Dictionaries entry which itself has three sub-menus:  Default, Voice, and Temporary Dictionaries.  When you open any one of them to add an entry and hit the Add button you get a dialog that contains the following fields:  Pattern (the thing you're looking to have pronounced differently), Replacement (how you want it pronounced), Comment, a checkbox for case sensitivity, and a matching type radio button:  Anywhere, Whole Word, or Regular Expression.

To fix this particular issue I added an entry to the Voice Dictionary and used the word 'unchecky' as the pattern, the "phrase" 'un checky' (un followed by a space followed by checky) as the replacement, no case sensitivity and the "anywhere" type (though whole word would probably be OK, too).  

For something like NY being expanded as New York where you don't want it you could likely use two entries each of which would be a regular expression and where the type would be regular expression and case sensitivity would be turned on.  I will type out the regular expressions below, but have absolutely no idea how a screen reader is going to read them:

  • .*NY
  • NY.*

where the replacement text would be simply the letter N followed by a space followed by a Y.  With case sensitivity turned on this should not cause a word like 'any' to be mispronounced nor should a stand alone NY fail to be interpreted as New York, only instances like 6NY or NYJ should end up being caught by these regular expressions.

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Re: Antivirus

Christo Vorster
 

Hi Pauline

 

Here in “Worcester, South Africa, we upgraded to Windows 10. We used to use JAWS and Magic for screen access and training. As I said, we upgraded and since then we make use of NVDA as our speech access. For the students requiring screen magnification, we use Windows’s built-in screen magnifier. Apparently with great success. I wouldn’t know for sure, as I am blind myself.

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (Worcester South Africa)

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pauline Smith
Sent: Thursday, 22 September 2016 12:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

 

Good Evening,

 

Personally, I wouldn't be in a big hurry to upgrade to Windows 10.  I think that 7 will still be supported for a while.  However, any new computer a person gets will probably have 10 already installed.  So any computer our students get from their rehabilitation counselors will likely have 10 on it.  We will need to be able to teach them how to use that equipment.

 

Here in the US, a company called Computers for the Blind sells refurbished computers at a reduced price.  They come loaded with NVDA and a demo copy of screen enlargement software for those who need it.  They are now sending those computers with 10 installed.  So, the only reason to upgrade would be for teaching purposes.

 

Pauline

 

 

On 9/20/2016 11:28 PM, Gene wrote:

Do you have specific reasons for upgrading to Windows 10?  there are reasons to approach doing so with caution.  I won't go into an in depth discussion now because I don't know why you wanbt to upgrade.  Depending on your answer, I may have more comments. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:25 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

 

Thank you all for letting me know about Windows Defender.  With this
information, I will consider updating to Win 10 soon.  I think I will
get the MS Accessibility line to help me do this.


Thanks, again for the Defender info.


Pauline



On 9/20/2016 10:52 PM, Arlene wrote:
> Hi, that's what I just said. windows defender does work for ten. >From what I heard it's more accessible with ten then it is for 7.  Yes it works just like MSE from what I heard.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stanley Haupt
> Sent: September-20-16 7:44 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus
>
> Hello Pauline:
>
> Windows Defender replaces Microsoft Security Essentials.
>
> Stanley
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pauline Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:02 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus
>
> This is one of the reasons I haven't taken the plunge and updated to Windows 10.  I have no clue what antivirus will work.  You can no longer use Security Essentials after Win 7 I don't think.
>
>
> Pauline
>
>
>
> On 9/20/2016 7:59 AM, Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>>> El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io <wsautodidata@...> escribió:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>> It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.
>>>
>>> Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.
>>>
>>> I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.
>>>
>>> What are your experiences in this matter?
>>>
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Josh Kennedy
 

hi

i just found out there is now an orbit reader 20 email list, to subscribe, email a blank message to


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Re: a speech oddity

Gene
 

You say there is no way to stop them.  What have you done with the speech dictionary?  Do you want the letters just to ve read as letters?  I haven't tried this but try some thing like this as an example.  For Jan. write Jan. in the original field.  I don't recall what that field is called.  In the pronounced as field, write j a n as you see, there is a space between the letters. 
 
Make it case sensative as you go through the dialog if you think or find that matters..  
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 2:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a speech oddity

Could this be something like the problem we get in sappi and other similar
synths were all the US states abbreviations are expanded and there seems no
way to stop them, similarly with imperial measurements and no doubt lots of
other things. Listining to a friends reading machine the other day I found
it quite irritating on UK post codes that NY is expanded to New York for
example.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a speech oddity


I would think you could change this with the NVDA speech dictionary.  Write
the word to be spoken as you wich in the pronounced as field.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 5:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a speech oddity


It occurs on my machine as well.  I suspect that somewhere "unch" is set up
as shorthand for "unchanged" and since those four characters precede the
"ecky" we're getting Unchanged-ecky.  If I change the synthesizer to eSpeak
it changes to saying "Unchecky".

I can live with "unchanged ecky" simply because the David voice is very much
preferred by me to most others.
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enough to keep up.

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the Universe"