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Re: Add-on issues after system restore on Windows 10

 

On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 11:32 AM, Cordelia Scharpf wrote:
Is a "twin drive system" an external disk drive onto which you would save a copy an image of your Windows application every week or so? If so, this can be configured to be done automatically in specific intervals, can't it?
That's pretty much it, though the secondary drive can also be internal, but I don't recommend that.

At one time it was standard practice to have one's system image backup drive constantly connected and one's backup & recovery software set up to take full system image backups and/or incremental backups at specific intervals.  Since the advent of ransomware, this is no longer recommended practice (unless you're using a cloud-based backup solution such as Carbonite, to name but one) because ransomware will encrypt each and every drive it can find that's currently connected on a given system, sometimes even on a given network once it finds the first entry point.   The last thing in the world you want is for your system image and/or user data backup drive or drives to be encrypted during a ransomware attack, as then they cannot serve their intended purpose.  Current best practice is to have a backup drive connected in only two circumstances: 

1.  You're taking a backup.

2.  You're restoring from a backup.

Otherwise, they should be offline.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 

Re: Add-on issues after system restore on Windows 10

Cordelia Scharpf
 

Please correct me if I misunderstand. Is a "twin drive system" an external disk drive onto which you would save a copy an image of your Windows application every week or so? If so, this can be configured to be done automatically in specific intervals, can't it?

Cordelia

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2019 5:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [Spam] [nvda] restoring things

Hi.

its worth noting in any os from winxp up that the system restore
actually is not nice.

It says that it will protect your documents.

What that means is it will keep microsoft office documents, text files,
mp3s, data files, it will even restore your downloads if you restored
with those.

But it will also do the following.

1. if its not in program files, program data, or program files x86 it
will be deleted.

All executable files, bat, exe, com, cmd, etc are gone.

It will delete those out of your cloud storage if you just happen to
have the cloud storage on the same drive.

It will delete any updated or installed addons you made after the
restore point and it will corrupt all your windows apps that were
updated after restore and others.

You will need to update/install addons, go to the store and the apps
will redownload when you check for them.

Its why I encourage a twin drive system if you can get it especially for
the cloud.

I have had people on a testing share get totally pissed at me for
deleting files, going so far as to engage in a swearing match on line
till we both got banned and deleted.

Ringing microsoft and telling them this got them to blatently admit that
information.

So you will need to make sure that if its critical even if its the cloud
storage, keep that backed up somewhere else if you need it urgently.

Else in my case I had to tell people I restored due to a crash.

For whatever reason system restore will not work with icloud drive, so I
assume if you sign out of icloud, which will delete your icloud drive
then restore then it works but don't quote me on it.

The of course the easyest thing to do is never use icloud for storage on
windows which is dumb but there you go.

Worse, if your system restores to a previous time, your cloud solutions
will update with the older data.

I do think cloud services should have system restore protection on them
where if you run system restore, they don't restore what is allready
uploaded on the cloud to an older version but they don't.

Of course if you have a virus on a system restore that restores that to
which is why you clear out every once in a while in case.

Re: Add-on issues after system restore on Windows 10

 

System restore is ok if something is screwing up.

But yeah in addition to deleting stuff you don't want it will kill addons that have been installed since last point and you have to redownload/update them again.

It will also kill a few apps.

It will also destroy cloud storage folders like dropbox if they are in the user structure.

So programs will be gone, it made me unpopular with some groups for that.

On windows restore only being a partial restore, I'd hate to see what a full system restore would be.

1.  in addition to the above, deletes everything that is not microsoft.

2.  reset the system to defaults.

3.  reformat all drives including backups

4.  unsubscribe you from all email lists.

5.  deactivate your windows and require you to buy a new one.

6.  give you a restore limit.

7.  prompt you to run windows repair which will reformat all your drives and all the drives on your networks and your friends drives to.

Windows restore does what it does well, that is if you made an oopsy in a day or 2 it can undo it.

If you have a driver or something that screwed up or update you can undo it.

If its an easy thing like the system won't start or your user profile screws up it will do that, though it can't fix a corrupted profile as such.

Anything more and its a repair, or a reformat to make it go away.

System restore to me is like the undo on a word processer for the system.

It fixes your mistakes but its not infinite.

Due to its nature though if you really need to have that much going on with the system, I'd use an image solution with incrimental backup on it or something.

And if the system randomly breaks without any warning, its usually hardware.


On 7/12/2019 5:10 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
There is the unanswered question of what version of NVDA, as well as what versions of the Add-Ons, are present.

System Restore (which I personally dislike because it's both unreliable and incomplete) only rolls back your system registry and certain folders, but not all of them.  It is not, in any meaningful sense, a full restore but is, instead, a selective partial one. See the articles:

System Restore (What It Is and How to Use It)

What System Restore Can and Cannot Do to Your Windows

I am quite certain that NVDA add-ons are unlikely to be touched by System Restore as they are not installed using a method that System Restore tracks, so you could possibly have an "older" version of NVDA for which "newer" versions of the add-ons are incompatible.

I'm in agreement with Mr. Vonderlinden that an complete uninstall of NVDA, and all associated add-ons, and a reinstall of same is the thing that is most likely to rectify the situation the most easily.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 

Add-on issues after system restore on Windows 10

 

Hi.

its worth noting in any os from winxp up that the system restore actually is not nice.

It says that it will protect your documents.

What that means is it will keep microsoft office documents, text files, mp3s, data files, it will even restore your downloads if you restored with those.

But it will also do the following.

1.  if its not in program files, program data, or program files x86 it will be deleted.

All executable files, bat, exe, com, cmd, etc are gone.

It will delete those out of your cloud storage if you just happen to have the cloud storage on the same drive.

It will delete any updated or installed addons you made after the restore point and it will corrupt all your windows apps that were updated after restore and others.

You will need to update/install addons, go to the store and the apps will redownload when you check for them.

Its why I encourage a twin drive system if you can get it especially for the cloud.

I have had people on a testing share get totally pissed at me for deleting files, going so far as to engage in a swearing match on line till we both got banned and deleted.

Ringing microsoft and telling them this got them to blatently admit that information.

So you will need to make sure that if its critical even if its the cloud storage, keep that backed up somewhere else if you need it urgently.

Else in my case I had to tell people I restored due to a crash.

For whatever reason system restore will not work with icloud drive, so I assume if you sign out of icloud, which will delete your icloud drive then restore then it works but don't quote me on it.

The of course the easyest thing to do is never use icloud for storage on windows which is dumb but there you go.

Worse, if your system restores to a previous time, your cloud solutions will update with the older data.

I do think cloud services should have system restore protection on them where if you run system restore, they don't restore what is allready uploaded on the cloud to an older version but they don't.

Of course if you have a virus on a system restore that restores that to which is why you clear out every once in a while in case.

Re: Add-on issues after system restore on Windows 10

 

There is the unanswered question of what version of NVDA, as well as what versions of the Add-Ons, are present.

System Restore (which I personally dislike because it's both unreliable and incomplete) only rolls back your system registry and certain folders, but not all of them.  It is not, in any meaningful sense, a full restore but is, instead, a selective partial one. See the articles:

System Restore (What It Is and How to Use It)

What System Restore Can and Cannot Do to Your Windows

I am quite certain that NVDA add-ons are unlikely to be touched by System Restore as they are not installed using a method that System Restore tracks, so you could possibly have an "older" version of NVDA for which "newer" versions of the add-ons are incompatible.

I'm in agreement with Mr. Vonderlinden that an complete uninstall of NVDA, and all associated add-ons, and a reinstall of same is the thing that is most likely to rectify the situation the most easily.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 

Re: Please your advice with an extended Winamp

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hi Roggers,

I have downloaded the Extended winamp version 1.2 and added it to Nvda.

I have found, that it really works.

But when I tried download it from the webpage through Nvda, I have found only version 1.1.

My question is: will be this add-on on the webpage with add-ons?


Jarek

Dne 05.12.2019 v 16:42 Roger Stewart napsal(a):

It is working for me and there was an update to it in the past week or so and it will be ready for the next NVDA as well.
Roger









On 12/5/2019 3:46 AM, Jacob wrote:
Extended Winamp is from 2013 so don't expect it to work any more.

OZ0TE Jacob

On
5.
Dec. 2019
at 10.13
Jarek.Krcmar <Jarek.Krcmar@...> wrote:

Hello group,

I have installed Winamp 566 and also I have installed to Nvda 2019. 2.1 an Extended Winamp.

It seems to me, that this Nvda addon doesn't work.

When I am listening a music in Winamp, and press the key F6 or F7 or F8 fo volume, nothing is happening.


--
Jarek





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Re: Please your advice with an extended Winamp

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hi Rogers,

could you tell me, how the Extended Winamp works?

When I press any key, nothing happens.


Jarek

Dne 05.12.2019 v 16:42 Roger Stewart napsal(a):

It is working for me and there was an update to it in the past week or so and it will be ready for the next NVDA as well.
Roger









On 12/5/2019 3:46 AM, Jacob wrote:
Extended Winamp is from 2013 so don't expect it to work any more.

OZ0TE Jacob

On
5.
Dec. 2019
at 10.13
Jarek.Krcmar <Jarek.Krcmar@...> wrote:

Hello group,

I have installed Winamp 566 and also I have installed to Nvda 2019. 2.1 an Extended Winamp.

It seems to me, that this Nvda addon doesn't work.

When I am listening a music in Winamp, and press the key F6 or F7 or F8 fo volume, nothing is happening.


--
Jarek





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Re: Add-on issues after system restore on Windows 10

Gene
 

If you do try that, there are files that need to be removed for a complete uninstall.  Those with more technical knowledge of NVDA can discuss that.  The easiest and most reliable way to determine if a complete installation might work might be to create a portable version from running the exe file, not from the existing installation, and see if the add-ons work.  Its odd that add-ons before the restore point work and those after the restore point don't. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2019 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on issues after system restore on Windows 10

have you tried uninstalling and re installing NVDA? Worth a shot, hope this helps

Re: Add-on issues after system restore on Windows 10

Jimmy Vonderlinden
 

have you tried uninstalling and re installing NVDA? Worth a shot, hope this helps

Add-on issues after system restore on Windows 10

Parthy Siva
 

Hello,

I am on Windows 10 version 1909.

After an issue unrelated to NVDA I did a system restore.
Add-ons installed after the restore point and before the date on which I did the restore are not working anymore.

When I removed and reinstalled the add-ons they still won't work.
In the add-ons manager their status is installed enabled after restart.
No change happens after restarting NVDA or even the computer.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Re: Using an External Numpad

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Just tested it, they work even when I plug them in when NVDA runs, no need to restart NVDA. I can’t tell you the brand, it does not show up with a brand or modell in the device manager. I bought them in a chinese shop for $4 each at gearbest.com. In the last years, independent from the screen reader people were using I read a lot of problems with this external numpads so I went for this cheap ones from China, I guess I was lucky….

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Freitag, 6. Dezember 2019 02:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using an External Numpad

 

I wonder if it depends on the numpad.  What brand or brands did you buy and do you know the models?

 

Also, do you have to connect them at any particular time such as before bootup or before running NvDA?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2019 2:40 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Using an External Numpad

 

Well, got 2 external numpads for 2 of my laptops and they work right out of the box with desktop layout in NVDA...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019 21:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Using an External Numpad

Hello

Well, it has finally happened again: I have obtained a laptop with no numpad.

Since I actually intend for this to be portable (not a desktop replacement, in other words), and I hate the laptop
layout, I thought I could just plug in an external numpad, switch to desktop layout, and poof.

But no joy: the numpad does not get grafted on to the existing keyboard as if the keyboard had a numpad. Even in desktop
mode, the keys are read as home, end, pgup, pgdn, etc..

Is there some known way to cause an external numpad to be perceived by NVDA as a built in numpad for purposes of the
desktop layout?

I have tried remapping with gestures, but that just results in things like the up arrow key becoming unavailable on the
regular keyboard (being mapped to read current line instead of just the numpad 8 I intended).

I suppose I may need to find a way to cause Windows not to replicate the normal keyboard scancodes when the numpad is
used.

Luke






Re: Accessable antivirus program #addonrelease

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi

I use Windows defender.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Oleksandr Gryshchenko
Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2019 3:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Accessable antivirus program #addonrelease

 

Hello friends!
Please advise a good antivirus for Windows with an accessible interface for screenreaders.
I'm currently using "Avast Internet Security", but it is completely inaccessible to NVDA.
Thank you for any advices!
Oleksandr, Ukraine

Re: Accessable antivirus program #addonrelease

 

well, it handles everything from security to device health.

Its basically a large extensive control panel.

You set it and forget it.

No extras and it doesn't use to much.


On 6/12/2019 1:08 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 06:58 PM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
Note that windows defender is suppose to be anti-spyware and malware.
Yes, it has expanded beyond strict anti-virus into a full-featured security suite.  I believe there are even some measures against ransomware, too.  That being said, I keep a separate antimalware scanner on my computers "just in case" as they do a better job with that class of infection, just like adware removers do with adware, than any general purpose security suite does.

I haven't had an infection of any sort for, literally, at least 2 decades now, but am forearmed just in case.

For those who want to review third-party antivirus testing lab results, which always include Windows Defender/Windows Security in their tests, see the most recent plus the last several years of historical test results from:

AV Test

AV Comparatives

SE Labs  (Reports Page)

MRG Effitas  (360 Protection Testing Category)

 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 

Re: Accessable antivirus program #addonrelease

Gene
 

I'm not encouraging or discouraging further use of Windows 7 but since some people may need or find it difficult to switch, such as for financial reasons, I'll point out that Windows XP continued to download and install definitions for Microsoft Security essentials for a long time after XP was out of support.  I believe they even said the definitions wouldn't be available but they were.  I don't know if they still can be downloaded.
 
It will be interesting to see what happens this time. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2019 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessable antivirus program #addonrelease

A third for Windows Defender/Windows Security if you are using Windows 8.1 or 10.

If you're still on Windows 7, now is the time to upgrade to Windows 10, as it's barely over 1 month until it falls out of support.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 

Re: Using an External Numpad

Gene
 

I wonder if it depends on the numpad.  What brand or brands did you buy and do you know the models?
 
Also, do you have to connect them at any particular time such as before bootup or before running NvDA?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2019 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using an External Numpad

Well, got 2 external numpads for 2 of my laptops and they work right out of the box with desktop layout in NVDA...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019 21:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Using an External Numpad

Hello

Well, it has finally happened again: I have obtained a laptop with no numpad.

Since I actually intend for this to be portable (not a desktop replacement, in other words), and I hate the laptop
layout, I thought I could just plug in an external numpad, switch to desktop layout, and poof.

But no joy: the numpad does not get grafted on to the existing keyboard as if the keyboard had a numpad. Even in desktop
mode, the keys are read as home, end, pgup, pgdn, etc..

Is there some known way to cause an external numpad to be perceived by NVDA as a built in numpad for purposes of the
desktop layout?

I have tried remapping with gestures, but that just results in things like the up arrow key becoming unavailable on the
regular keyboard (being mapped to read current line instead of just the numpad 8 I intended).

I suppose I may need to find a way to cause Windows not to replicate the normal keyboard scancodes when the numpad is
used.

Luke







Re: Accessable antivirus program #addonrelease

Gene
 

You can make it accessible by turning protective mode off if you want to make the program more vulnerable to attack in exchange.  NVDA can read information from the program.  But I don't know if the program is accessible enough as such even after you get it to read.  I haven't kept up with new versions for a good while.
 
What version of Windows are you using?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2019 2:39 PM
Subject: [nvda] Accessable antivirus program #addonrelease

Hello friends!
Please advise a good antivirus for Windows with an accessible interface for screenreaders.
I'm currently using "Avast Internet Security", but it is completely inaccessible to NVDA.
Thank you for any advices!
Oleksandr, Ukraine

Re: Please your advice with an extended Winamp

Gene
 

Try an earlier version of NVDA running as a portable version.  I suspect the add-on isn't compatible with that version of NVDA.  I don't know what the last compatible version is, but go back maybe one or two versions and see what happens. 
 
I'm not sure if there is a page to download old versions of Winamp but as far as I know, there is a way to do so even if they aren't publicly shown on the NVDA site.  Others may know how it is done.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2019 3:12 AM
Subject: [nvda] Please your advice with an extended Winamp

Hello group,

I have installed Winamp 566 and also I have installed to Nvda 2019. 2.1
an Extended Winamp.

It seems to me, that this Nvda addon doesn't work.

When I am listening a music in Winamp, and press the key F6 or F7 or F8
fo volume, nothing is happening.


--
Jarek



Re: Accessable antivirus program #addonrelease

Sarah k Alawami
 

I use defender which ships with windows. It's very accessible and works quite well.

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On 5 Dec 2019, at 12:39, Oleksandr Gryshchenko wrote:

Hello friends!
Please advise a good antivirus for Windows with an accessible interface for screenreaders.
I'm currently using "Avast Internet Security", but it is completely inaccessible to NVDA.
Thank you for any advices!
Oleksandr, Ukraine

Re: Accessable antivirus program #addonrelease

 

On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 06:58 PM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
Note that windows defender is suppose to be anti-spyware and malware.
Yes, it has expanded beyond strict anti-virus into a full-featured security suite.  I believe there are even some measures against ransomware, too.  That being said, I keep a separate antimalware scanner on my computers "just in case" as they do a better job with that class of infection, just like adware removers do with adware, than any general purpose security suite does.

I haven't had an infection of any sort for, literally, at least 2 decades now, but am forearmed just in case.

For those who want to review third-party antivirus testing lab results, which always include Windows Defender/Windows Security in their tests, see the most recent plus the last several years of historical test results from:

AV Test

AV Comparatives

SE Labs  (Reports Page)

MRG Effitas  (360 Protection Testing Category)

 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 

Re: Accessable antivirus program #addonrelease

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

Note that windows defender is suppose to be anti-spyware and malware.

 

******

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!                                                                       

 

From: Arlene
Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2019 4:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessable antivirus program #addonrelease

 

Amen to that. If we have to pay for a Microsoft account or sign up for one when we upgrade to ten. Why not use the anti virus that is built in?  That’s how it should be! Then nobody has to fork out money just for an anti virus program.  I’ll use what’s here on this system.   

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: December 5, 2019 12:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessable antivirus program #addonrelease

 

I use windows defender. That's pretty accessible. With that, I don't need another antivirus program.

 

 

On 12/5/2019 12:39 PM, Oleksandr Gryshchenko wrote:

Hello friends!
Please advise a good antivirus for Windows with an accessible interface for screenreaders.
I'm currently using "Avast Internet Security", but it is completely inaccessible to NVDA.
Thank you for any advices!
Oleksandr, Ukraine