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Re: Battle With Win10

Alexander Masic
 

I really hate that rumers wich flouting around in the blind community. for you who is so critical to window 10, explay for me what you can do in e.g windows 7, but not in windows 10! Igues nothing. everything works well in window 10 as in windows 7, but some tasks you nead to do in anothe way. So upgrade upgrade upgrade upgrade upgrade upgrade!!!!!


I have run windows 10 for almost 1 year now and i cant se anything i really missing.

Yes! off course there is things who nead to be improved, e.g edge and things like that. However you are able to do easy same things in windows 10 as in windows 7.

So i,m still waiting from you an explanation from you who is so critical, an really made propaganda to other blind to not upgrade a reason why?



Den 2016-07-28 kl. 22:18, skrev Shaun Everiss:

Good luck is all I will say.
The servers will be overloaded with lastcomers and that means a long wait for all you laters.



On 29/07/2016 4:18 a.m., Scott VanDeWalle wrote:
Hi, i'm going to go out on a limb here and say that if you are at all
considering upgrading to win 10 you should do it today.
That way for one thing you will not have to worry about having to even
pay attention to that thing about win 10 being free for users of
assistive technology. I don't know, but i bet the process is a pain to
do and myself, i just would not want to bother with it.
Not telling yall what to do but if it was me and i did not yet have a
copy of windows 10, i'd be really worried right now. smile.
Have a nice day and good luck with whatever you decide to do.

Scott
Original message:
I would hate to be the person that decides to update after tomorrow.
On 7/28/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
Not for us blind folk I understand somehow we have at least another
month
to do it according to news I've read but in fact I'd like to know how it
knows you are blind.
Brian
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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
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in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Battle With Win10

well it won't matter anyway.
win10 upgrade ends tomorrow so it won't matter much.


On 28/07/2016 6:54 p.m., Felix G. wrote:
Hi,
at http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/ there is a tool which can
prevent
Win 10 related activity on Win 7 machines, according to the
description.
It
looks very well put together and worked for me.
Had a forced install happen on my machine at home. It rebooted, then
after
a few hours it came back as Win 10. I just kept it but I sure didn't
like
the experience of having it forced upon me. Paradoxically I wanted it
anyway but still this does make a philosophical difference.
Greetings,
Felix Grützmacher
David Russell <david.sonofhashem@gmail.com> schrieb am Do., 28. Juli
2016
um 04:26 Uhr:
Hello group,
Late this afternoon I began having troubles in earnest with
windows 10
forcing an install. NVDA did not read this was occurring, it was all
behind the scenes according to my wife who is sighted.
I did go to control panel, windows update, change settings and chose
the install automatic updates. This was suggested by an article at
make use of .com. It did not work.
My wife was able to again stop the install, but the problem is likely
to occur when my computer goes into low power mode, after not being
used for a few minutes.
This is quite disconcerting and evidently a widespread problem, not
just mine or a few others. Any thoughts?
--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com
Character consists of what you do on the third and fourth tries.
James A. Michener














--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762


.


Re: Battle With Win10

 

Good luck is all I will say.
The servers will be overloaded with lastcomers and that means a long wait for all you laters.

On 29/07/2016 4:18 a.m., Scott VanDeWalle wrote:
Hi, i'm going to go out on a limb here and say that if you are at all
considering upgrading to win 10 you should do it today.
That way for one thing you will not have to worry about having to even
pay attention to that thing about win 10 being free for users of
assistive technology. I don't know, but i bet the process is a pain to
do and myself, i just would not want to bother with it.
Not telling yall what to do but if it was me and i did not yet have a
copy of windows 10, i'd be really worried right now. smile.
Have a nice day and good luck with whatever you decide to do.

Scott
Original message:
I would hate to be the person that decides to update after tomorrow.
On 7/28/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
Not for us blind folk I understand somehow we have at least another
month
to do it according to news I've read but in fact I'd like to know how it
knows you are blind.
Brian
bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Battle With Win10

well it won't matter anyway.
win10 upgrade ends tomorrow so it won't matter much.


On 28/07/2016 6:54 p.m., Felix G. wrote:
Hi,
at http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/ there is a tool which can
prevent
Win 10 related activity on Win 7 machines, according to the
description.
It
looks very well put together and worked for me.
Had a forced install happen on my machine at home. It rebooted, then
after
a few hours it came back as Win 10. I just kept it but I sure didn't
like
the experience of having it forced upon me. Paradoxically I wanted it
anyway but still this does make a philosophical difference.
Greetings,
Felix Grützmacher
David Russell <david.sonofhashem@gmail.com> schrieb am Do., 28. Juli
2016
um 04:26 Uhr:
Hello group,
Late this afternoon I began having troubles in earnest with
windows 10
forcing an install. NVDA did not read this was occurring, it was all
behind the scenes according to my wife who is sighted.
I did go to control panel, windows update, change settings and chose
the install automatic updates. This was suggested by an article at
make use of .com. It did not work.
My wife was able to again stop the install, but the problem is likely
to occur when my computer goes into low power mode, after not being
used for a few minutes.
This is quite disconcerting and evidently a widespread problem, not
just mine or a few others. Any thoughts?
--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com
Character consists of what you do on the third and fourth tries.
James A. Michener














--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762

.


Re: Battle With Win10

Gene
 

Yes, you have to install Windows 7.  it's the same as with any machine that you didn't upgrade.  There is nothing older to revert to. 
 
If the main issue is Edge, I don't see that you would gain much of anything by installing Windows 7.  Just install another browser such as Firefox or use Internet Explorer, which, we can assume, will be in Windows 10 until Edge is ready to properly fill its place. 
 
But I think using another browser would be a good idea since Internet Explorer is falling farther behind from a technical standpoint.  It's still getting security updates but it's falling increasingly behind in its ability to use modern web coding, if that's the correct term. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Battle With Win10

How about machines that came with Win10 installed?  Do you have to do a fresh install of Win7 if you decide  to get rid of win10?  The big issue for me is MS Edge!  Hopefully the August update will solve the related issues.

Thanks

Blessings

Pascal  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 1:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Battle With Win10

 

If you take a full backup, including a system image (which is the critical thing in this case), you can also choose to roll-back to Windows 7 or Windows 8/8.1 after the 30-day built-in rollback expires or if it fails (and it sometimes has).

For anyone who is thinking they really want to go to Windows 10 my advice would be to make a system image backup of your current system to your external backup drive and do your upgrade today or tomorrow.  Once a given piece of hardware is licensed to run Windows 10 you can roll back to your earlier version if that's what you want for the time being and then install Windows 10 again, at no cost, at your desired time.  I intend to do this with my remaining two Windows 7 machines.
--
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I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    

 


Re: Battle With Win10

Pascal Lambert
 

How about machines that came with Win10 installed?  Do you have to do a fresh install of Win7 if you decide  to get rid of win10?  The big issue for me is MS Edge!  Hopefully the August update will solve the related issues.

Thanks

Blessings

Pascal  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 1:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Battle With Win10

 

If you take a full backup, including a system image (which is the critical thing in this case), you can also choose to roll-back to Windows 7 or Windows 8/8.1 after the 30-day built-in rollback expires or if it fails (and it sometimes has).

For anyone who is thinking they really want to go to Windows 10 my advice would be to make a system image backup of your current system to your external backup drive and do your upgrade today or tomorrow.  Once a given piece of hardware is licensed to run Windows 10 you can roll back to your earlier version if that's what you want for the time being and then install Windows 10 again, at no cost, at your desired time.  I intend to do this with my remaining two Windows 7 machines.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    

 


Re: Accessible radio player software for windows?

Ravi Paswan <ravipaswan32@...>
 

any cant provide to me tapinradio portable

On 7/28/16, Георги Ламбов <obichamlegiona@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi again!
With alt, you get the basic menu. Continuing with right menu, you have
to find: stations. By the older versions of the program it was submenu.
And opening it, we get the continents; another right menu follow the
countries; another right menu cities. Until version 1.72.4, it's a menu
and getting it with the right menu, we continue with down menu and
getting: station, with right menu we find the continents; with another
right menu we find countries and then with enter it shows itselfs the
radios of the chosen country. The same thing is finding: genres or each
another from the menu:stations.

На 28.7.2016 г. в 13:06 ч., Mark Brett написа:
Hi, Tapin Radio.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
??????
??????
Sent: 28 July 2016 10:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible radio player software for windows?

Hi Mark!

Which radioplayer you mean in the letter?

Georgi


На 28.7.2016 г. в 11:53 ч., Mark Brett написа:
Hi, how do I get a list of stations on this?

I have gone into search options and selected the uk. Do I have to narrow
down my search with a type of music or can I get a list of stations that
it
will get in the uk?
Many thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jacob
Kruger
Sent: 27 July 2016 17:13
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible radio player software for windows?

TapIn radio is something have been using for a while:

http://www.raimersoft.com/tapinradio.aspx


Jacob Kruger
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Skype: BlindZA
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On 2016-07-27 5:15 PM, Matt Turner wrote:
Hi, subject says it all.

Any one no of any good ones?









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Re: Battle With Win10

Rui Fontes
 

Because you are usimg a screen reader...

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Brian's Mail list account
Data: quinta-feira, 28 de julho de 2016 09:01
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Battle With Win10

Not for us blind folk I understand somehow we have at least another month
to do it according to news I've read but in fact I'd like to know how it
knows you are blind.

Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Battle With Win10


well it won't matter anyway.
win10 upgrade ends tomorrow so it won't matter much.



On 28/07/2016 6:54 p.m., Felix G. wrote:
Hi,
at http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/ there is a tool which can
prevent
Win 10 related activity on Win 7 machines, according to the description.
It
looks very well put together and worked for me.
Had a forced install happen on my machine at home. It rebooted, then
after
a few hours it came back as Win 10. I just kept it but I sure didn't like
the experience of having it forced upon me. Paradoxically I wanted it
anyway but still this does make a philosophical difference.
Greetings,
Felix Grtzmacher

David Russell <david.sonofhashem@gmail.com> schrieb am Do., 28. Juli 2016
um 04:26 Uhr:

Hello group,
Late this afternoon I began having troubles in earnest with windows 10
forcing an install. NVDA did not read this was occurring, it was all
behind the scenes according to my wife who is sighted.

I did go to control panel, windows update, change settings and chose
the install automatic updates. This was suggested by an article at
make use of .com. It did not work.

My wife was able to again stop the install, but the problem is likely
to occur when my computer goes into low power mode, after not being
used for a few minutes.

This is quite disconcerting and evidently a widespread problem, not
just mine or a few others. Any thoughts?

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com
Character consists of what you do on the third and fourth tries.
James A. Michener





Re: Battle With Win10

Gene
 

How difficult it will be to upgrade is a matter of complete speculation.  I don't believe people should upgrade under pressure.  they should upgrade if they wish to. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Battle With Win10

Hi, i'm going to go out on a limb here and say  that if you are at all
considering upgrading to win 10 you should do it today.
That way for one thing you will not have to worry about having to even
pay attention to that thing about win 10 being free for users of
assistive technology. I don't know, but i bet the process is a pain to
do and myself, i just would not want to bother with it.
Not telling yall what to do but if it was me and i did not yet have a
copy of windows 10, i'd be really worried right now. smile.
Have a nice day and good luck with whatever you decide to do.

Scott
Original message:
> I would hate to be the person that decides to update after tomorrow.

> On 7/28/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
>> Not for us  blind folk I understand somehow we have at least another month
>> to do it according to news I've read but in fact I'd like to know how it
>> knows you are blind.

>>  Brian

>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal email to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 8:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Battle With Win10


>>> well it  won't matter anyway.
>>> win10  upgrade  ends   tomorrow so  it won't   matter much.



>>> On 28/07/2016 6:54 p.m., Felix G. wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> at http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/ there is a tool which can
>>>> prevent
>>>> Win 10 related activity on Win 7 machines, according to the description.

>>>> It
>>>> looks very well put together and worked for me.
>>>> Had a forced install happen on my machine at home. It rebooted, then
>>>> after
>>>> a few hours it came back as Win 10. I just kept it but I sure didn't
>>>> like
>>>> the experience of having it forced upon me. Paradoxically I wanted it
>>>> anyway but still this does make a philosophical difference.
>>>> Greetings,
>>>> Felix Grützmacher

>>>> David Russell <david.sonofhashem@...> schrieb am Do., 28. Juli
>>>> 2016
>>>> um 04:26 Uhr:

>>>>> Hello group,
>>>>> Late this afternoon I began having troubles in earnest with windows 10
>>>>> forcing an install. NVDA did not read this was occurring, it was all
>>>>> behind the scenes according to my wife who is sighted.

>>>>> I did go to control panel, windows update, change settings and chose
>>>>> the install automatic updates. This was suggested by an article at
>>>>> make use of .com. It did not work.

>>>>> My wife was able to again stop the install, but the problem is likely
>>>>> to occur when my computer goes into low power mode, after not being
>>>>> used for a few minutes.

>>>>> This is quite disconcerting and evidently a widespread problem, not
>>>>> just mine or a few others. Any thoughts?

>>>>> --
>>>>> David Russell
>>>>> david.sonofhashem@...
>>>>> Character consists of what you do on the third and fourth tries.
>>>>> James A. Michener















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> Cell: 985-271-2832
> Skype: ron.brown762

>




Re: Battle With Win10

 

If you take a full backup, including a system image (which is the critical thing in this case), you can also choose to roll-back to Windows 7 or Windows 8/8.1 after the 30-day built-in rollback expires or if it fails (and it sometimes has).

For anyone who is thinking they really want to go to Windows 10 my advice would be to make a system image backup of your current system to your external backup drive and do your upgrade today or tomorrow.  Once a given piece of hardware is licensed to run Windows 10 you can roll back to your earlier version if that's what you want for the time being and then install Windows 10 again, at no cost, at your desired time.  I intend to do this with my remaining two Windows 7 machines.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: Battle With Win10

Scott VanDeWalle
 

Hi, i'm going to go out on a limb here and say that if you are at all considering upgrading to win 10 you should do it today.
That way for one thing you will not have to worry about having to even pay attention to that thing about win 10 being free for users of assistive technology. I don't know, but i bet the process is a pain to do and myself, i just would not want to bother with it.
Not telling yall what to do but if it was me and i did not yet have a copy of windows 10, i'd be really worried right now. smile.
Have a nice day and good luck with whatever you decide to do.

Scott
Original message:

I would hate to be the person that decides to update after tomorrow.
On 7/28/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
Not for us blind folk I understand somehow we have at least another month
to do it according to news I've read but in fact I'd like to know how it
knows you are blind.
Brian
bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Battle With Win10

well it won't matter anyway.
win10 upgrade ends tomorrow so it won't matter much.


On 28/07/2016 6:54 p.m., Felix G. wrote:
Hi,
at http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/ there is a tool which can
prevent
Win 10 related activity on Win 7 machines, according to the description.
It
looks very well put together and worked for me.
Had a forced install happen on my machine at home. It rebooted, then
after
a few hours it came back as Win 10. I just kept it but I sure didn't
like
the experience of having it forced upon me. Paradoxically I wanted it
anyway but still this does make a philosophical difference.
Greetings,
Felix Grützmacher
David Russell <david.sonofhashem@gmail.com> schrieb am Do., 28. Juli
2016
um 04:26 Uhr:
Hello group,
Late this afternoon I began having troubles in earnest with windows 10
forcing an install. NVDA did not read this was occurring, it was all
behind the scenes according to my wife who is sighted.
I did go to control panel, windows update, change settings and chose
the install automatic updates. This was suggested by an article at
make use of .com. It did not work.
My wife was able to again stop the install, but the problem is likely
to occur when my computer goes into low power mode, after not being
used for a few minutes.
This is quite disconcerting and evidently a widespread problem, not
just mine or a few others. Any thoughts?
--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com
Character consists of what you do on the third and fourth tries.
James A. Michener














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Cell: 985-271-2832
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Re: NVDA and Outlook message status

 

FYI, I also just tried Window-Eyes and it's not behaving any differently than NVDA in what it reads when going through your inbox under Outlook 2010.

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New message sound

Mark Brett
 

Hi, When I get a message from a person or group that I have not set a rule for it to go into a folder so it stays in the inbox I get a new message sound.

 

If I get a new message from a person or group that has a rule to put it into a folder I don’t get a new message sound.

 

How can I set outlook 2016 to play a sound regardless of what folder receives the new message?

 

Many thanks

 

 

 

 

Mark Brett

 

E-mail: markbrett@...

Phone: +448432086070

Twitter: @markbrett1

 


Re: looking for a good ntivirus program

 

hi.
could you please explane me more about advantages and disadvantages of clamwin?
because i realy love open source projects.
thanks and God bless you all.

On 7/25/16, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,

In the past, I have recommended Sophos Home. It is cloud-based, and works
quite well.

Thanks.

On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 3:35 AM Brian's Mail list account <
bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

I don't recall this allowed what I wonted last time I checked it.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexander Masic" <list@masic.se>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] looking for a good ntivirus program


I can recomend Avira antivirus, It's have got good reputation, and it's
also fairly accesible. You can do the most important tasks, as canning
the
system and so on.




Den 2016-07-23 kl. 23:13, skrev Brian's Mail list account:
Neither of which as far as I know can be downloaded to a stick updated
and taken to a computer with no internet connection and run.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver"
<blindman75@gmail.com
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] looking for a good ntivirus program


further to my last, if I had to use any other, I'd either use vypre
or
esset nod32



On 23/07/2016 23:47, Shaun Oliver wrote:

what is wrong with windows defender? quite frankly, it's as good as
any other out there and is accessible.


It does also get decent write ups.



On 23/07/2016 23:18, Gene wrote:
Clamwin is not well reviewed. I wouldn't use it.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Pete <mailto:emac00@cogeco.ca>
*Sent:* Saturday, July 23, 2016 7:54 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] looking for a good ntivirus program

try clamwin



On 7/2/2016 4:55 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
And as an aside to this question.
I have a need for a stand alone anti virus scanner which I can
run,
say from a ram stick and update on one machine and run on others
not
always connected to the internet without it complaining its out
of
date or needs an internet connection to update. Brian

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<mailto:john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 1:12 PM
Subject: [nvda] looking for a good ntivirus program


Does anyone want to recommend a free antivirus program that
works >> well
with NVDA?

Thanks,
John

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written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: NVDA and Outlook message status

 

I've been playing with this somewhat since yesterday and I can confirm Christo's statement that NVDA does not read, for lack of a better phrase, the forwarding or reply status of a message in one's inbox under Outlook 2010.

I even tried removing the icon column to see if Outlook would stop stripping the "Fwd:" or "Re:" prefix from the message subject in its own display, and it did not.  The icon presented, when that column is present, for a forwarded message is no different than any other new message.

What's even more perverse to me is that when there is a conversation (AKA thread) created by responding back-and-forth to a given message my inbox display is not even showing the subject itself for anything but the conversation itself.  You only see a subject if you hover over the subject area, which would gain focus as you go through the list with a screen reader, but I can't imagine what earthly purpose is served by this and it's not been called-out as a bug, yet, and remains unexplained.

I've used Outlook 2007, but it's been a very long while since I did so, and have also installed instances of Outlook 2013 and 2016, but don't have them at hand, either.

I was always accustomed to knowing whether a message was a forward or reply based on the subject itself having the correct prefix.  I could swear that this prefix was present and being read in Outlook in the past, but it's not on my Outlook 2010 instance and I have yet to identify a way to change that.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



NVDA AND GOOGLE CLASSROOM

Christo Vorster
 

Hi

 

Someone asked me whether NVDA is compatable with Google Classroom.

 

Can anyone help us with advice?

 

Regards

 

Christo (“Worcester South Africa)


Re: Accessible radio player software for windows?

Георги Ламбов <obichamlegiona@...>
 

Hi again!
With alt, you get the basic menu. Continuing with right menu, you have to find: stations. By the older versions of the program it was submenu. And opening it, we get the continents; another right menu follow the countries; another right menu cities. Until version 1.72.4, it's a menu and getting it with the right menu, we continue with down menu and getting: station, with right menu we find the continents; with another right menu we find countries and then with enter it shows itselfs the radios of the chosen country. The same thing is finding: genres or each another from the menu:stations.

На 28.7.2016 г. в 13:06 ч., Mark Brett написа:
Hi, Tapin Radio.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of ??????
??????
Sent: 28 July 2016 10:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible radio player software for windows?

Hi Mark!

Which radioplayer you mean in the letter?

Georgi


На 28.7.2016 г. в 11:53 ч., Mark Brett написа:
Hi, how do I get a list of stations on this?

I have gone into search options and selected the uk. Do I have to narrow
down my search with a type of music or can I get a list of stations that it
will get in the uk?
Many thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: 27 July 2016 17:13
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible radio player software for windows?

TapIn radio is something have been using for a while:

http://www.raimersoft.com/tapinradio.aspx


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-07-27 5:15 PM, Matt Turner wrote:
Hi, subject says it all.

Any one no of any good ones?









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Re: NVDA and Outlook message status

Christo Vorster
 

Hi everybody

I use Outlook 2010. My experience is that NVDA reads the number of mails and the unread ones, but not whether a mail was forwarded or not.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clare Page
Sent: Thursday, 28 July 2016 12:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Outlook message status

Hi!
Interesting that these indications before a message in Outlook, as described earlier in this thread, are not readable by NVDA in Outlook 2010 and later versions! I'm using Outlook 2007 here, and as I arrow down the message list I hear NVDA say "message unread", "message forwarded", "attachment yes", or whatever. As I have never used a version of Outlook later than 2007, I have no idea whether such indications have completely disappeared, or whether they have changed in later versions such as Outlook 2010 in some way so that NVDA doesn't detect them. I don't know whether this problem with later versions of Outlook can be solved, but I'm sure users of Outlook 2010 and later would be glad if it could.
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: mercredi 27 juillet 2016 18:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Outlook message status

I actually thought there is an icon in front of each message in the Inbox message list which indicates whether a message is unread, read, replied or forwarded and another showing that the message has an attachment. I assumed that Jaws and Window-Eyes interpreted these icons correctly and would then speak the appropriate status when you arrow up and down the message list, whereas NVDA does not interpret all correctly. NVDA indicates unread messages, but does not say that a message has been forwarded, neither, if memory serves, if a message has been replied to. In other words, I think this is probably an NVDA issue rather than an Outlook issue.

Kind regards

Christo

On 2016/07/27 5:27 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
This is a peculiarity with Outlook (or at least Outlook 2010, which I think has been carried over). Virtually every e-mail client or web interface prefixes a forwarded message subject with either "Fwd:" or "FW:" and that gets read when going through the message list.

Outlook strips that from the message subject and I have yet to figure out how to make it stop doing that. I have just posted a question to answers.microsoft.com and hope to learn more about how this might be changed back to the more conventional behavior where the forward and reply indicator text is left in place on the subject display.

I haven't used Outlook on a regular basis in years and hadn't realized it did this until I fired up my copy of Outlook 2010 to take a look at what is happening.


Re: How to reach cookie warning banners in Windows 10

Gene
 

I'm not sure what you are referring to nor why you are seeing it so much.  I see notices about cookies on certain sites, but on a lot f sites, I don't.  And I don't see a banner display.  If you give us the address of a site where you see a banner. people can look at the site.  
 
If people look, you might get better and faster help. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 3:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Fwd: How to reach cookie warning banners in Windows 10

The browser is Chrome. But I guess it is the same for all browsers, as the websites put up their legally-required banner in each browser. I don't see a way to do whatever the action should be. There is normally a link to get more info on their cookie policy, but that does not dismiss the banner.

On 28 Jul 2016, at 08:59, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:

Not seen this in Firefox, yes sites ask about cookies but normall tell you what to do, ie continue assumes you have agreed or agree or whatever it is.
What browser is this?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Crabtree" <pandbcrabtree@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 7:33 AM
Subject: [nvda] Fwd: How to reach cookie warning banners in Windows 10


Excuse me for posting this question again. Perhaps because of heavy focus on other topics, it got no replies the first time, but there must be folks out there who can supply answers.

Please could someone suggest how to reach and dismiss the banner that comes up on websites, advising me that the site uses cookies.

There is an x at the end of the banner, but I have tried everything I know, firstly to navigate to the banner and then to reach the x to dismiss it with NVDA and cannot get anywhere near it. I am on Windows 10 and the latest official release of NVDA.

Is there perhaps a Windows command which helps? Brian Crabtree









Re: NVDA and Outlook message status

Clare Page <clare.page@...>
 

Hi!
Interesting that these indications before a message in Outlook, as described earlier in this thread, are not readable by NVDA in Outlook 2010 and later versions! I'm using Outlook 2007 here, and as I arrow down the message list I hear NVDA say "message unread", "message forwarded", "attachment yes", or whatever. As I have never used a version of Outlook later than 2007, I have no idea whether such indications have completely disappeared, or whether they have changed in later versions such as Outlook 2010 in some way so that NVDA doesn't detect them. I don't know whether this problem with later versions of Outlook can be solved, but I'm sure users of Outlook 2010 and later would be glad if it could.
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: mercredi 27 juillet 2016 18:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Outlook message status

I actually thought there is an icon in front of each message in the Inbox message list which indicates whether a message is unread, read, replied or forwarded and another showing that the message has an attachment. I assumed that Jaws and Window-Eyes interpreted these icons correctly and would then speak the appropriate status when you arrow up and down the message list, whereas NVDA does not interpret all correctly. NVDA indicates unread messages, but does not say that a message has been forwarded, neither, if memory serves, if a message has been replied to. In other words, I think this is probably an NVDA issue rather than an Outlook issue.

Kind regards

Christo

On 2016/07/27 5:27 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
This is a peculiarity with Outlook (or at least Outlook 2010, which I think has been carried over). Virtually every e-mail client or web interface prefixes a forwarded message subject with either "Fwd:" or "FW:" and that gets read when going through the message list.

Outlook strips that from the message subject and I have yet to figure out how to make it stop doing that. I have just posted a question to answers.microsoft.com and hope to learn more about how this might be changed back to the more conventional behavior where the forward and reply indicator text is left in place on the subject display.

I haven't used Outlook on a regular basis in years and hadn't realized it did this until I fired up my copy of Outlook 2010 to take a look at what is happening.


Re: Accessible radio player software for windows?

Mark Brett
 

Hi, Tapin Radio.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of ??????
??????
Sent: 28 July 2016 10:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible radio player software for windows?

Hi Mark!

Which radioplayer you mean in the letter?

Georgi


На 28.7.2016 г. в 11:53 ч., Mark Brett написа:
Hi, how do I get a list of stations on this?

I have gone into search options and selected the uk. Do I have to narrow
down my search with a type of music or can I get a list of stations that it
will get in the uk?

Many thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: 27 July 2016 17:13
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible radio player software for windows?

TapIn radio is something have been using for a while:

http://www.raimersoft.com/tapinradio.aspx


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-07-27 5:15 PM, Matt Turner wrote:
Hi, subject says it all.

Any one no of any good ones?











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Re: Some observations on usability aspects with Firefox and NVDA

Gene
 

But I don't see why navigational sounds would have any bearing on the problem being discussed.  A page can fully load and then refresh in part or in whole.  If the problem is caused by refreshes, it doesn't matter if you hear such sounds.  It is also, from a security standpoint, a bad idea to run old versions of browsers that don't have the newer security patches. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 2:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some observations on usability aspects with Firefox and NVDA

Well navigational sounds at  least should  be  fixed.
It  should autoupdate  itself.
Because mozilla removed fuel  things  don't work.
Right,  in some  instances like with some forum links  the addon   just
won't fire but   it   works  most  of the  time and where  it doesn't
it does  not  matter to  me.



On 27/07/2016 9:57 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
> Navigational sounds but you need to use firefox 46 or before. all the
> versions after this seem to screw that up and tend also to me at least
> to be a slug compared to 46.
> I hope somebody tells Mozilla about these things. Navigational sounds
> always makes a bong sound when the page has fully loaded, though of
> course some web site do continue throwing crap at you for adverts, and I
> always use  ublock on firefox now to stop all this rubbish from moving
> focus.
>
> Amazon seem to be particularly annoying in this respect recently. Now I
> hear clicks but nothing changes which sis just what I need.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Felix G."
> <constantlyvariable@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 6:41 AM
> Subject: [nvda] Some observations on usability aspects with Firefox and
> NVDA
>
>
> Hello,
> I'd like to ask if anyone else is observing the following with recent
> versions of Firefox. When loading a page, whose title we shall define as T,
> NVDA announces chatter of the following structure:
> T Mozilla Firefox. Unknown. Unknown. T Mozilla Firefox. T document
> Now if you substitute anything substantial for T you can see how this would
> amount to a lot of sylables with no useful information content.
> Also, Alt+Tabbing to Firefox produces:
> T Mozilla Firefox, T document
> Finally, are there plans to implement a way of finding out if a page has
> been fully loaded? I quite often find myself in the middle of reading a
> paragraph when suddenly some asynchronous update happens and the review
> cursor is thrown back a few lines or to the previous heading, to name but
> two instances.
> Any suggestions on any of those?
> Kind regards,
> Felix Grützmacher
>
>
>
>
> .
>